Thank you FDR

[gipper]

And who decides a logical fallacy?

Classical Logic (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

Let me know when you need help understanding this.

Some people can't think for themselves, so they let others do it for them.

His argument is classic appeal to authority.

It seems that hundreds of America's most noted historians is a pretty good authority. But then we have the authority on logic, Unkotare, calling it a fallacy, so I think I will go with the hundreds of historians. Nothing personal Unkotare.

If I might summarize your belief system...

You purposely ignore the following FACTS about FDR:

• condemned Hoover during the 1932 campaign for economic interventions, then intervened 1,000 times more than Hoover.
• actively tried to stack the Supreme Court, when his stupid policies were found unconstitutional.
• forced farmers nationwide to destroy their products under the belief that scarcity would revive the economy, all while millions of Americans were starving.
• filled his administration with Stalinist spies and ignored all warnings about them. His closest adviser reported directly to Stalin.
• set up Poland to make provocative demands of Hitler before Germany invaded, making many promises he had no intention of fulfilling.
• in the 1940 campaign he said repeatedly that American boys would not die in Europe, all the while actively trying to get Hitler to sink American shipping as a pretense for war.
• Placed absurdly stringent sanctions on Japan, knowing they would likely resort to military action.
• Knew Japan planned to attack Pearl Harbor BEFOREHAND, but told no one (but did manage to get the carriers out of Pearl) and scapegoated commanders after the event.
• Provided massive amounts of supplies to the USSR, while American troops went without and suffered on the battlefield for it.
• Placed the requirement of unconditional surrender on Japan and Germany (per Stalin's direction), thus prolonging the war causing hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
• Imprisoned Americans during the war unconstitutionally.
• Refused to bomb Nazi prison camps and rail lines leading to them, knowing full well what was going on there.
• Knew Stalin committed the atrocity at the Katyn Forest, but continued to blame Germany.
• Was terribly ill and entirely unfit to be POTUS during the war and even ran for a fourth term, from his deathbed.

What is there to admire?

Interesting how you support the interests of Nazis and Japan over FDR

yeah that is what I did...leftist statists...ugh.

 

[regent]

Classical Logic (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

Let me know when you need help understanding this.

Some people can't think for themselves, so they let others do it for them.

His argument is classic appeal to authority.

It seems that hundreds of America's most noted historians is a pretty good authority. But then we have the authority on logic, Unkotare, calling it a fallacy, so I think I will go with the hundreds of historians. Nothing personal Unkotare.

If I might summarize your belief system...

You purposely ignore the following FACTS about FDR:

• condemned Hoover during the 1932 campaign for economic interventions, then intervened 1,000 times more than Hoover.
• actively tried to stack the Supreme Court, when his stupid policies were found unconstitutional.
• forced farmers nationwide to destroy their products under the belief that scarcity would revive the economy, all while millions of Americans were starving.
• filled his administration with Stalinist spies and ignored all warnings about them. His closest adviser reported directly to Stalin.
• set up Poland to make provocative demands of Hitler before Germany invaded, making many promises he had no intention of fulfilling.
• in the 1940 campaign he said repeatedly that American boys would not die in Europe, all the while actively trying to get Hitler to sink American shipping as a pretense for war.
• Placed absurdly stringent sanctions on Japan, knowing they would likely resort to military action.
• Knew Japan planned to attack Pearl Harbor BEFOREHAND, but told no one (but did manage to get the carriers out of Pearl) and scapegoated commanders after the event.
• Provided massive amounts of supplies to the USSR, while American troops went without and suffered on the battlefield for it.
• Placed the requirement of unconditional surrender on Japan and Germany (per Stalin's direction), thus prolonging the war causing hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
• Imprisoned Americans during the war unconstitutionally.
• Refused to bomb Nazi prison camps and rail lines leading to them, knowing full well what was going on there.
• Knew Stalin committed the atrocity at the Katyn Forest, but continued to blame Germany.
• Was terribly ill and entirely unfit to be POTUS during the war and even ran for a fourth term, from his deathbed.

What is there to admire?

Interesting how you support the interests of Nazis and Japan over FDR

yeah that is what I did...leftist statists...ugh.

I can only advise you as I have with others: Get your historical information as quickly as possible to the historians before they rate the presidents again. Perhaps those historians simply failed history but you have it all down so it should be a revelation to them. All I ask is that you let us on the boards know their responses.

 

[Unkotare]

Some people can't think for themselves, so they let others do it for them.

His argument is classic appeal to authority.

It seems that hundreds of America's most noted historians is a pretty good authority. But then we have the authority on logic, Unkotare, calling it a fallacy, so I think I will go with the hundreds of historians. Nothing personal Unkotare.

If I might summarize your belief system...

You purposely ignore the following FACTS about FDR:

• condemned Hoover during the 1932 campaign for economic interventions, then intervened 1,000 times more than Hoover.
• actively tried to stack the Supreme Court, when his stupid policies were found unconstitutional.
• forced farmers nationwide to destroy their products under the belief that scarcity would revive the economy, all while millions of Americans were starving.
• filled his administration with Stalinist spies and ignored all warnings about them. His closest adviser reported directly to Stalin.
• set up Poland to make provocative demands of Hitler before Germany invaded, making many promises he had no intention of fulfilling.
• in the 1940 campaign he said repeatedly that American boys would not die in Europe, all the while actively trying to get Hitler to sink American shipping as a pretense for war.
• Placed absurdly stringent sanctions on Japan, knowing they would likely resort to military action.
• Knew Japan planned to attack Pearl Harbor BEFOREHAND, but told no one (but did manage to get the carriers out of Pearl) and scapegoated commanders after the event.
• Provided massive amounts of supplies to the USSR, while American troops went without and suffered on the battlefield for it.
• Placed the requirement of unconditional surrender on Japan and Germany (per Stalin's direction), thus prolonging the war causing hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
• Imprisoned Americans during the war unconstitutionally.
• Refused to bomb Nazi prison camps and rail lines leading to them, knowing full well what was going on there.
• Knew Stalin committed the atrocity at the Katyn Forest, but continued to blame Germany.
• Was terribly ill and entirely unfit to be POTUS during the war and even ran for a fourth term, from his deathbed.

What is there to admire?

Interesting how you support the interests of Nazis and Japan over FDR

yeah that is what I did...leftist statists...ugh.

I can only advise you as I have with others: Get your historical information as quickly as possible to the historians before they rate the presidents again. Perhaps those historians simply failed history but you have it all down so it should be a revelation to them. All I ask is that you let us on the boards know their responses.

Once again, that is a logical fallacy, you idiot.

 

[regent]

It seems that hundreds of America's most noted historians is a pretty good authority. But then we have the authority on logic, Unkotare, calling it a fallacy, so I think I will go with the hundreds of historians. Nothing personal Unkotare.

If I might summarize your belief system...

You purposely ignore the following FACTS about FDR:

• condemned Hoover during the 1932 campaign for economic interventions, then intervened 1,000 times more than Hoover.
• actively tried to stack the Supreme Court, when his stupid policies were found unconstitutional.
• forced farmers nationwide to destroy their products under the belief that scarcity would revive the economy, all while millions of Americans were starving.
• filled his administration with Stalinist spies and ignored all warnings about them. His closest adviser reported directly to Stalin.
• set up Poland to make provocative demands of Hitler before Germany invaded, making many promises he had no intention of fulfilling.
• in the 1940 campaign he said repeatedly that American boys would not die in Europe, all the while actively trying to get Hitler to sink American shipping as a pretense for war.
• Placed absurdly stringent sanctions on Japan, knowing they would likely resort to military action.
• Knew Japan planned to attack Pearl Harbor BEFOREHAND, but told no one (but did manage to get the carriers out of Pearl) and scapegoated commanders after the event.
• Provided massive amounts of supplies to the USSR, while American troops went without and suffered on the battlefield for it.
• Placed the requirement of unconditional surrender on Japan and Germany (per Stalin's direction), thus prolonging the war causing hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
• Imprisoned Americans during the war unconstitutionally.
• Refused to bomb Nazi prison camps and rail lines leading to them, knowing full well what was going on there.
• Knew Stalin committed the atrocity at the Katyn Forest, but continued to blame Germany.
• Was terribly ill and entirely unfit to be POTUS during the war and even ran for a fourth term, from his deathbed.

What is there to admire?

Interesting how you support the interests of Nazis and Japan over FDR

yeah that is what I did...leftist statists...ugh.

I can only advise you as I have with others: Get your historical information as quickly as possible to the historians before they rate the presidents again. Perhaps those historians simply failed history but you have it all down so it should be a revelation to them. All I ask is that you let us on the boards know their responses.

Once again, that is a logical fallacy, you idiot.

Using thousands of America's most noted historians will probably never compare to your knowledge of high school history. You could be an authority on something but it's not logic or history.

 

[Unkotare]

.... thousands of America's most noted historians.....

And you've never named even one.

 

[gipper]

Some people can't think for themselves, so they let others do it for them.

His argument is classic appeal to authority.

It seems that hundreds of America's most noted historians is a pretty good authority. But then we have the authority on logic, Unkotare, calling it a fallacy, so I think I will go with the hundreds of historians. Nothing personal Unkotare.

If I might summarize your belief system...

You purposely ignore the following FACTS about FDR:

• condemned Hoover during the 1932 campaign for economic interventions, then intervened 1,000 times more than Hoover.
• actively tried to stack the Supreme Court, when his stupid policies were found unconstitutional.
• forced farmers nationwide to destroy their products under the belief that scarcity would revive the economy, all while millions of Americans were starving.
• filled his administration with Stalinist spies and ignored all warnings about them. His closest adviser reported directly to Stalin.
• set up Poland to make provocative demands of Hitler before Germany invaded, making many promises he had no intention of fulfilling.
• in the 1940 campaign he said repeatedly that American boys would not die in Europe, all the while actively trying to get Hitler to sink American shipping as a pretense for war.
• Placed absurdly stringent sanctions on Japan, knowing they would likely resort to military action.
• Knew Japan planned to attack Pearl Harbor BEFOREHAND, but told no one (but did manage to get the carriers out of Pearl) and scapegoated commanders after the event.
• Provided massive amounts of supplies to the USSR, while American troops went without and suffered on the battlefield for it.
• Placed the requirement of unconditional surrender on Japan and Germany (per Stalin's direction), thus prolonging the war causing hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
• Imprisoned Americans during the war unconstitutionally.
• Refused to bomb Nazi prison camps and rail lines leading to them, knowing full well what was going on there.
• Knew Stalin committed the atrocity at the Katyn Forest, but continued to blame Germany.
• Was terribly ill and entirely unfit to be POTUS during the war and even ran for a fourth term, from his deathbed.

What is there to admire?

Interesting how you support the interests of Nazis and Japan over FDR

yeah that is what I did...leftist statists...ugh.

I can only advise you as I have with others: Get your historical information as quickly as possible to the historians before they rate the presidents again. Perhaps those historians simply failed history but you have it all down so it should be a revelation to them. All I ask is that you let us on the boards know their responses.

All the things I stated are facts. Real historians agree.

 

[regent]

It seems that hundreds of America's most noted historians is a pretty good authority. But then we have the authority on logic, Unkotare, calling it a fallacy, so I think I will go with the hundreds of historians. Nothing personal Unkotare.

If I might summarize your belief system...

You purposely ignore the following FACTS about FDR:

• condemned Hoover during the 1932 campaign for economic interventions, then intervened 1,000 times more than Hoover.
• actively tried to stack the Supreme Court, when his stupid policies were found unconstitutional.
• forced farmers nationwide to destroy their products under the belief that scarcity would revive the economy, all while millions of Americans were starving.
• filled his administration with Stalinist spies and ignored all warnings about them. His closest adviser reported directly to Stalin.
• set up Poland to make provocative demands of Hitler before Germany invaded, making many promises he had no intention of fulfilling.
• in the 1940 campaign he said repeatedly that American boys would not die in Europe, all the while actively trying to get Hitler to sink American shipping as a pretense for war.
• Placed absurdly stringent sanctions on Japan, knowing they would likely resort to military action.
• Knew Japan planned to attack Pearl Harbor BEFOREHAND, but told no one (but did manage to get the carriers out of Pearl) and scapegoated commanders after the event.
• Provided massive amounts of supplies to the USSR, while American troops went without and suffered on the battlefield for it.
• Placed the requirement of unconditional surrender on Japan and Germany (per Stalin's direction), thus prolonging the war causing hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
• Imprisoned Americans during the war unconstitutionally.
• Refused to bomb Nazi prison camps and rail lines leading to them, knowing full well what was going on there.
• Knew Stalin committed the atrocity at the Katyn Forest, but continued to blame Germany.
• Was terribly ill and entirely unfit to be POTUS during the war and even ran for a fourth term, from his deathbed.

What is there to admire?

Interesting how you support the interests of Nazis and Japan over FDR

yeah that is what I did...leftist statists...ugh.

I can only advise you as I have with others: Get your historical information as quickly as possible to the historians before they rate the presidents again. Perhaps those historians simply failed history but you have it all down so it should be a revelation to them. All I ask is that you let us on the boards know their responses.

All the things I stated are facts. Real historians agree.

So that's how we tell real historians from fake, the real historians agree with you.

 

[gipper]

If I might summarize your belief system...

You purposely ignore the following FACTS about FDR:

• condemned Hoover during the 1932 campaign for economic interventions, then intervened 1,000 times more than Hoover.
• actively tried to stack the Supreme Court, when his stupid policies were found unconstitutional.
• forced farmers nationwide to destroy their products under the belief that scarcity would revive the economy, all while millions of Americans were starving.
• filled his administration with Stalinist spies and ignored all warnings about them. His closest adviser reported directly to Stalin.
• set up Poland to make provocative demands of Hitler before Germany invaded, making many promises he had no intention of fulfilling.
• in the 1940 campaign he said repeatedly that American boys would not die in Europe, all the while actively trying to get Hitler to sink American shipping as a pretense for war.
• Placed absurdly stringent sanctions on Japan, knowing they would likely resort to military action.
• Knew Japan planned to attack Pearl Harbor BEFOREHAND, but told no one (but did manage to get the carriers out of Pearl) and scapegoated commanders after the event.
• Provided massive amounts of supplies to the USSR, while American troops went without and suffered on the battlefield for it.
• Placed the requirement of unconditional surrender on Japan and Germany (per Stalin's direction), thus prolonging the war causing hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
• Imprisoned Americans during the war unconstitutionally.
• Refused to bomb Nazi prison camps and rail lines leading to them, knowing full well what was going on there.
• Knew Stalin committed the atrocity at the Katyn Forest, but continued to blame Germany.
• Was terribly ill and entirely unfit to be POTUS during the war and even ran for a fourth term, from his deathbed.

What is there to admire?

Interesting how you support the interests of Nazis and Japan over FDR

yeah that is what I did...leftist statists...ugh.

I can only advise you as I have with others: Get your historical information as quickly as possible to the historians before they rate the presidents again. Perhaps those historians simply failed history but you have it all down so it should be a revelation to them. All I ask is that you let us on the boards know their responses.

All the things I stated are facts. Real historians agree.

So that's how we tell real historians from fake, the real historians agree with you.

All the items I posted above about your beloved FDR, are true. Why would still admire such a person? Merely because statist historians tell you to. That does you no favors.

 

[rightwinger]

Interesting how you support the interests of Nazis and Japan over FDR

yeah that is what I did...leftist statists...ugh.

I can only advise you as I have with others: Get your historical information as quickly as possible to the historians before they rate the presidents again. Perhaps those historians simply failed history but you have it all down so it should be a revelation to them. All I ask is that you let us on the boards know their responses.

All the things I stated are facts. Real historians agree.

So that's how we tell real historians from fake, the real historians agree with you.

All the items I posted above about your beloved FDR, are true. Why would still admire such a person? Merely because statist historians tell you to. That does you no favors.

You posted opinions, conspiracy theories and rumors as fact

 

[gipper]

yeah that is what I did...leftist statists...ugh.

I can only advise you as I have with others: Get your historical information as quickly as possible to the historians before they rate the presidents again. Perhaps those historians simply failed history but you have it all down so it should be a revelation to them. All I ask is that you let us on the boards know their responses.

All the things I stated are facts. Real historians agree.

So that's how we tell real historians from fake, the real historians agree with you.

All the items I posted above about your beloved FDR, are true. Why would still admire such a person? Merely because statist historians tell you to. That does you no favors.

You posted opinions, conspiracy theories and rumors as fact

Yeah only a duped statist doesn't know FDR imprisoned Americans unconstitutionally, didn't try to pack the SC, didn't imposed unconditional surrender on Japan and Germany, didn't impose extreme sanctions on Japan leading to war, didn't destroy farmers products while some Americans were starving, didn't lie in the 1932 and 1940 campaigns, didn't run for a fourth term from his deathbed...man you really are a statist dupe.

 

[rightwinger]

I can only advise you as I have with others: Get your historical information as quickly as possible to the historians before they rate the presidents again. Perhaps those historians simply failed history but you have it all down so it should be a revelation to them. All I ask is that you let us on the boards know their responses.

All the things I stated are facts. Real historians agree.

So that's how we tell real historians from fake, the real historians agree with you.

All the items I posted above about your beloved FDR, are true. Why would still admire such a person? Merely because statist historians tell you to. That does you no favors.

You posted opinions, conspiracy theories and rumors as fact

Yeah only a duped statist doesn't know FDR imprisoned Americans unconstitutionally, didn't try to pack the SC, didn't imposed unconditional surrender on Japan and Germany, didn't impose extreme sanctions on Japan leading to war, didn't destroy farmers products while some Americans were starving, didn't lie in the 1932 and 1940 campaigns, didn't run for a fourth term from his deathbed...man you really are a statist dupe.

FDR and almost every politician agreed with the internment of Japanese. So did the courts

Packing the courts was a power play that was unsuccessful.

Unconditional surrender worked. He wanted no remnants of those hated regimes to survive. As it was, the Emperor of Japan was allowed to stay

 

[Picaro]

Can't think of any President in the 19th and 20th Century who wouldn't have liked to appoint 3 or 5 SC Justices on his watch. Why is FDR's attempt more 'evil' than the others? On yeah, now I remember ... Stalin!!!

Or something like that ....

 

[Unkotare]

Useful fools....^^^^^

 

[Unkotare]

.... thousands of America's most noted historians.....

And you've never named even one.

...ever.

 

[regent]

.... thousands of America's most noted historians.....

And you've never named even one.

...ever.

Have you ever done your own scholarly homework and looked up any of the numerous Presidential Ratings by historians? Time you learned to do your own research, it's part of the history thing.

 

[Unkotare]

.... thousands of America's most noted historians.....

And you've never named even one.

...ever.

...never, ever.

 

[regent]

Bullshit. That scumbag received intel that there was no such threat.[/QUOTE]
FDR received both types of intel reports: threats and no threats of sabotage. Either way FDR could only lose, but FDR played it safe for the nation.
Think of the posts you could write today if there had been sabotage.

 

[Unkotare]

Bullshit. That scumbag received intel that there was no such threat.

FDR received both types of intel reports: threats and no threats of sabotage. Either way FDR could only lose, but FDR played it safe for the nation.
Think of the posts you could write today if there had been sabotage.[/QUOTE]



You apologists love to speculate.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

A lot of it was great!!! FDR was a awesome president.

Fuck small idiotic backwards government!

Get used to it loser......we are getting another justice.

 

[Andylusion]

We all know how certain board members have a hilarious hatred against FDR, but let's look at what one of the greatest presidents this nation has ever had did for the people:
Interesting facts about FDR in general: Home - FDR Presidential Library & Museum
The List:

- The FDIC
- The


- The NIRA
- Abolishing prohibition.
- The "first 100 days" program to grant relief to tens of millions.
- Created the TVA, continued FERA, don't forget the CCC.
- The NLRA and the AAA.
- Established social security and the SEC.
- Drastically decreased unemployment.
- The good neighbor policy
- He Supported the case for intervention in WWII through the Destroyers for Bases Agreement and Lend-Lease Act supplying ships and armament to the Allied forces.
- Led the US into world war 2 to help crush the fascist dogs.
- Endorsed the creation of the UN.
- The FSA
- He added millions of acres to America's national forests, national parks, and wildlife refuges.
- He was elected four times for a reason
- During FDR's presidency, women were appointed to positions that were unprecedented in terms of both number of appointments as well as rank in the United States government.

What FDR was handed:

By the time that FDR was inaugurated president on March 4, 1933, the banking system had collapsed, nearly 25% of the labor force was unemployed, and prices and productivity had fallen to 1/3 of their 1929 levels. Reduced prices and reduced output resulted in lower incomes in wages, rents, dividends, and profits throughout the economy. Factories were shut down, farms and homes were lost to foreclosure, mills and mines were abandoned, and people went hungry. The resulting lower incomes meant the further inability of the people to spend or to save their way out of the crisis, thus perpetuating the economic slowdown in a seemingly never-ending cycle.

At the height of the Depression in 1933, 24.9% of the total work force or 12,830,000 people was unemployed. Although farmers technically were not counted among the unemployed, drastic drops in farm commodity prices resulted in farmers losing their lands and homes to foreclosure.

The displacement of the American work force and farming communities caused families to split up or to migrate from their homes in search of work. "Hoovervilles," or shantytowns built of packing crates, abandoned cars, and other scraps, sprung up across the nation. Residents of the Great Plains area, where the effects of the Depression were intensified by drought and dust storms, simply abandoned their farms and headed for California in hopes of finding the "land of milk and honey." Gangs of unemployed youth, whose families could no longer support them, rode the rails as hobos in search of work. America 's unemployed citizens were on the move, but there was no place to go that offered relief from the Great Depression.

Various "extras"

AAA , Agricultural Adjustment Administration, 1933

BCLB , Bituminous Coal Labor Board, 1935

CAA , Civil Aeronautics Authority, 1938

CCC , Civilian Conservation Corps, 1933

CCC , Commodity Credit Corporation, 1933

CWA , Civil Works Administration, 1933

FCA , Farm Credit Administration, 1933

FCC , Federal Communications Commission, 1934

FCIC , Federal Crop Insurance Corporation, 1938

FDIC , Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, 1933

FERA , Federal Emergency Relief Agency, 1933

FFMC , Federal Farm Mortgage Corporation, 1934

FHA , Federal Housing Administration, 1934

FLA, Federal Loan Agency, 1939

FSA , Farm Security Administration, 1937

FSA , Federal Security Agency, 1939

FWA , Federal Works Agency, 1939

HOLC , Home Owners Loan Corporation, 1933

MLB , Maritime Labor Board, 1938

NBCC , National Bituminous Coal Commission, 1935

NLB , National Labor Board, 1933

NLRB , National Labor Relations Board, 1935

NRAB , National Railroad Adjustment Board, 1934

NRA , National Recovery Administration, 1933

NRB , National Resources Board, 1934

NRC , National Resources Committee, 1935

NRPB , National Resources Planning Board, 1939

NYA , National Youth Administration, 1935

PWA , Public Works Administration, 1933

RA , Resettlement Administration, 1935

REA , Rural Electrification Administration, 1935

RFC , Reconstruction Finance Corporation, 1932

RRB , Railroad Retirement Board, 1935

SCS , Soil Conservation Service, 1935

SEC , Securities and Exchange Commission, 1934

SSB , Social Security Board, 1935

TNEC, Temporary National Economic Committee, 1938

TVA, Tennessee Valley Authority, 1933

USEP, United States Employment Service, 1933

USHA, United States Housing Authority, 1937

USMC, United States Maritime Commission, 1936

WPA, Works Progress Administration, 1935

WPA, Name changed to Works Projects Administration, 1939

The irony is, there have been many papers from economists showing that most, if not all, of these programs CAUSED the depression.

By the way, notice all those programs put in place in 1935 to 1936 and 1937? Do you know what happened in 1936 to 1937?

The economy crashed. We had a recession inside the great depression.

These programs didn't fix the economy, they crashed it.