Abe Lincoln: What they won't teach in school.

Remember to make sure she knows Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
 
Lincoln knew the crisis was coming but he was either too timid or too stupid try to keep the Union together before it fell apart. He should have made promises and wined and dined the Southern agitators and even bribed them if that's what it took to cool down the hot heads but he didn't. The fool thought the Civil War would only last a month. The fawning drooling "historians" had it backward. Lincoln was responsible for splitting the Union rather than keeping it together.
 
Desperate times call for desperate measures

Abe Lincoln was the right man for the job
 
Lincoln knew the crisis was coming but he was either too timid or too stupid try to keep the Union together before it fell apart. He should have made promises and wined and dined the Southern agitators and even bribed them if that's what it took to cool down the hot heads but he didn't. The fool thought the Civil War would only last a month. The fawning drooling "historians" had it backward. Lincoln was responsible for splitting the Union rather than keeping it together.

The south seceded before Lincoln even took office
 
Unlike his contemporaries...Lincoln GOT IT

He was willing to use all his presidential powers to preserve this Union

By far our greatest President......he made a bunch of united states, THE UNITED STATES
 

My oldest is homeschooled so she gets to learn the truth not propaganda.


The Truth as stated by who? Often the truth is difficult to know. Who do you believe? Everything you know about Lincoln has been given to you by someone else. Why do you trust them?
 

My oldest is homeschooled so she gets to learn the truth not propaganda.


The Truth as stated by who? Often the truth is difficult to know. Who do you believe? Everything you know about Lincoln has been given to you by someone else. Why do you trust them?


Combining his own direct quotes from speeches and letters and comparing them with what he actually did/allowed to happen is a good start.
 

My oldest is homeschooled so she gets to learn the truth not propaganda.


The Truth as stated by who? Often the truth is difficult to know. Who do you believe? Everything you know about Lincoln has been given to you by someone else. Why do you trust them?


Combining his own direct quotes from speeches and letters and comparing them with what he actually did/allowed to happen is a good start.


Sure. But which speeches do you take? Which actions do you take? Which opinion of what he did with his actions do you take?

Lincoln did things which are interpreted differently by different people. Also, how do you know there aren't speeches which have been suppressed? How do you know the speeches he supposedly made were his speeches? I mean, someone's telling you they're his speeches, but why do you believe them when they say this? Also, his actions, why do you believe someone who told you they were his actions?
 
Lincoln knew the crisis was coming but he was either too timid or too stupid try to keep the Union together before it fell apart. He should have made promises and wined and dined the Southern agitators and even bribed them if that's what it took to cool down the hot heads but he didn't. The fool thought the Civil War would only last a month. The fawning drooling "historians" had it backward. Lincoln was responsible for splitting the Union rather than keeping it together.

Why shouldn't people be allowed to peacefully withdraw and form a government that represents them and their interests?

Here's what americans thought about that;
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Declaration of Independence
1776



Here's what the lying POS lincoln said regarding that;

Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can may revolutionize and make their own of so many of the territory as they inhabit."


Abraham Lincoln

Jan 12, 1848
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So what's the problem?
 

My oldest is homeschooled so she gets to learn the truth not propaganda.


The Truth as stated by who? Often the truth is difficult to know. Who do you believe? Everything you know about Lincoln has been given to you by someone else. Why do you trust them?


Combining his own direct quotes from speeches and letters and comparing them with what he actually did/allowed to happen is a good start.


Sure. But which speeches do you take? Which actions do you take? Which opinion of what he did with his actions do you take?

Lincoln did things which are interpreted differently by different people. Also, how do you know there aren't speeches which have been suppressed? How do you know the speeches he supposedly made were his speeches? I mean, someone's telling you they're his speeches, but why do you believe them when they say this? Also, his actions, why do you believe someone who told you they were his actions?


oh...right...the "suppressed lincoln speeches"...whatever..you're just arguing for the sake of arguing...
 
Lincoln knew the crisis was coming but he was either too timid or too stupid try to keep the Union together before it fell apart. He should have made promises and wined and dined the Southern agitators and even bribed them if that's what it took to cool down the hot heads but he didn't. The fool thought the Civil War would only last a month. The fawning drooling "historians" had it backward. Lincoln was responsible for splitting the Union rather than keeping it together.

The south seceded before Lincoln even took office
Lincoln took office in March 1861 and Confederates fired on Ft. Sumter on April 1861.
 
Lincoln knew the crisis was coming but he was either too timid or too stupid try to keep the Union together before it fell apart. He should have made promises and wined and dined the Southern agitators and even bribed them if that's what it took to cool down the hot heads but he didn't. The fool thought the Civil War would only last a month. The fawning drooling "historians" had it backward. Lincoln was responsible for splitting the Union rather than keeping it together.

The south seceded before Lincoln even took office
Lincoln took office in March 1861 and Confederates fired on Ft. Sumter on April 1861.
When did South Carolina secede?
 
Lincoln knew the crisis was coming but he was either too timid or too stupid try to keep the Union together before it fell apart. He should have made promises and wined and dined the Southern agitators and even bribed them if that's what it took to cool down the hot heads but he didn't. The fool thought the Civil War would only last a month. The fawning drooling "historians" had it backward. Lincoln was responsible for splitting the Union rather than keeping it together.

The south seceded before Lincoln even took office
But it's all Lincoln's fault...
 
Lincoln knew the crisis was coming but he was either too timid or too stupid try to keep the Union together before it fell apart. He should have made promises and wined and dined the Southern agitators and even bribed them if that's what it took to cool down the hot heads but he didn't. The fool thought the Civil War would only last a month. The fawning drooling "historians" had it backward. Lincoln was responsible for splitting the Union rather than keeping it together.

The south seceded before Lincoln even took office
Lincoln took office in March 1861 and Confederates fired on Ft. Sumter on April 1861.

the north INVADED the south which was a sovereign country at that point.The south offered to pay for all federal facilities on their property and escort all civilians and fed troops safely to their country...

The South essentially seceded because of unfair tariffs and Free Trade.
The North couldn't compete with the cheaper and better European goods coming into Southern ports, so they imposed the Morrill tariffs in 1860.
The poor Whites of the South couldn't afford Northern goods or to pay the tariffs, so they ignored them.
The Federal government sent troops and tariff collectors to Southern ports. The south was aware of the Anaconda Plan and saw blockading the ports as ANOTHER act of war against them..which it was..

This was all intolerable to the economic well being of the South, so they seceded from the Federal Union and ordered the evacuation of all Federal officers and troops from the Confederacy.

Lincoln ordered Fort Sumpter not to comply and sent ships and troops to resupply them.
The South opened fire on the invaders and forced them to surrender. No lives were lost on either side and the fed. troops were all given safe passage to their own lines.


BUT..now lincoln had an "excuse" to start a scorched earth war against the south.
murdering, robbing and raping civilians...burning their homes and stealing their property, wrecking their infrastructure, "re distributing" their land.... millions of southern families lost everything during the war and punitive "reconstruction"...millions of their descendants haven't forgotten...
 
Lincoln knew the crisis was coming but he was either too timid or too stupid try to keep the Union together before it fell apart. He should have made promises and wined and dined the Southern agitators and even bribed them if that's what it took to cool down the hot heads but he didn't. The fool thought the Civil War would only last a month. The fawning drooling "historians" had it backward. Lincoln was responsible for splitting the Union rather than keeping it together.

The south seceded before Lincoln even took office
Lincoln took office in March 1861 and Confederates fired on Ft. Sumter on April 1861.

the north INVADED the south which was a sovereign country at that point.The south offered to pay for all federal facilities on their property and escort all civilians and fed troops safely to their country...

The South essentially seceded because of unfair tariffs and Free Trade.
The North couldn't compete with the cheaper and better European goods coming into Southern ports, so they imposed the Morrill tariffs in 1860.
The poor Whites of the South couldn't afford Northern goods or to pay the tariffs, so they ignored them.
The Federal government sent troops and tariff collectors to Southern ports. The south was aware of the Anaconda Plan and saw blockading the ports as ANOTHER act of war against them..which it was..

This was all intolerable to the economic well being of the South, so they seceded from the Federal Union and ordered the evacuation of all Federal officers and troops from the Confederacy.

Lincoln ordered Fort Sumpter not to comply and sent ships and troops to resupply them.
The South opened fire on the invaders and forced them to surrender. No lives were lost on either side and the fed. troops were all given safe passage to their own lines.
The south fired the first shots of the war which put them in armed rebellion.
There are no provisions in the constitution for secession. Once we United, we became ......one nation, indivisible

And don't insult us with that tariffs and free trade bullshit. The South seceded so they could ensure access to a free labor pool
 

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