Ted Cruz Introduces Bills to Stop Gay Marriage

[HappyJoy]

The Roman empire did NOT fall because of homosexuality. To suggest so it patently stupid. The Roman empire was toppled because of excessive conquest & the inability to defend all territories as the armies we're spread too thin. Political corruption also was a big factor.

ANYONE who twists those FACTS into an argument about sex in any fashion does not know shit about Roman history.

the Roman empire fell for several reasons. One of them was moral and cultural decline. Others were spin offs of that anything-goes culture. They ate, drank, and screwed instead of managing the empire, paying its bills, outfitting its military, and repairing infrastructure--------------see any similarities to the USA today?

Nonsense

Rome conquered far too much territory as the empire grew. They could not defend their borders from the Goth or the Huns. Constant incursions took a heavy toll and Rome even tried to force submission onto those they conquered via Roman soldiers FUCK ING the women of the regions they conquered which further enraged their enemies. The Huns & the Goths finally finished off the Roman Empire and it had nothing to do with homosexuality. In fact one COULD suggest that the act of heterosexual relations between the soldiers & those they conquered had more to do with Romes fall than any gay crap.0

history disagrees with you, but you are free to believe whatever makes you feel good. The moral decline came at the same time as the overreach. Which was the cause and which the effect can be debated, but they both caused the downfall.

Specifically how did homosexuality cause the downfall of Rome?

I did not say that was the only cause.

Ok, can you demonstrate how it was a cause at all?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Which ones? I keep hearing people make those claims yet when we look at the 'fall' of societies- I can't think of any that did.

The Ottoman Empire? Nope- that was losing World War 1 and rise of secular forces.
The Aztec Empire? Nope- that was caused by the Spanish and the collusion of the Aztec's conquered neighbors.
The Incan Empire? Nope- see above.

The reality is that the United States is the most powerful country in the world- and we have what ancient Jews would consider an immoral society.

The societies that are the least tolerant of 'immoral and sexual deviancy'? Well that would be the repressed of Muslim societies- Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Which do you choose as the most 'moral path'? The United States or Saudi Arabia?

We are tolerant and have always been tolerant. We have never killed gays in this country like the Muslim societies.

The Ottoman Empire killed Armenian Christians because of the rise of Islam and they were seen as a threat.
Aztec's over used their resources as well as the Inca's.

Have you read The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon?
Life became cheap in the latter days of the Roman Empire. Burdensome regulation and taxes made manufacturing and trade unprofitable. Families were locked into hereditary trades and vocations allowing little if any vocational choice. Eventually, children were seen as a needless burden and abortion and infanticide became commonplace. In some cases, children were sold into slavery.

Manners and social life fell into debauchery. Under Justinian, entertainment grew bawdier and more bizarre. Orgies and love feasts were common. Homosexuality and bestiality were openly practiced. Under Nero, Christians were blamed for the great fire in Rome and horribly persecuted.

Similar patterns can be found in other civilizations. In Greece, the music of the young people became wild and coarse. Popular entertainment was brutal and vulgar. Promiscuity, homosexuality, and drunkenness became a daily part of life. And all moral and social restraints were lost leading to greater decadence.

In Carthage, worship turned from Baal to the earth goddess Tanit. "Sacrifices to the goddess of fertility were supposed to ensure productivity, long life, and even greater profits."Ornately carved funeral monuments depicting infant sacrifice can be seen today along with thousands of tiny stone coffins to infants sacrificed to the pagan goddess.

The parallels to our own nation are striking. No, we don't sacrifice infants to a pagan goddess, but we have aborted over 57 million babies on the altar of convenience. And various sexual practices are openly accepted as part of an alternative lifestyle.

It starts out small and continues until the society falls.
First it became acceptable to have sex out or wedlock
Then it became acceptable for couples to move in together without marriage and have children out of wedlock.
Our children are being exposed to violent video games and sex on TV
From acceptance of homosexuality it moves on to, polygamy, to sex with animals and on and on down the line.

It is a combination of all not just sex or homosexuality that leads to the society's downfall.

The Roman empire did NOT fall because of homosexuality. To suggest so it patently stupid. The Roman empire was toppled because of excessive conquest & the inability to defend all territories as the armies we're spread too thin. Political corruption also was a big factor.

ANYONE who twists those FACTS into an argument about sex in any fashion does not know shit about Roman history.

the Roman empire fell for several reasons. One of them was moral and cultural decline. Others were spin offs of that anything-goes culture. They ate, drank, and screwed instead of managing the empire, paying its bills, outfitting its military, and repairing infrastructure--------------see any similarities to the USA today?

Nonsense

Rome conquered far too much territory as the empire grew. They could not defend their borders from the Goth or the Huns. Constant incursions took a heavy toll and Rome even tried to force submission onto those they conquered via Roman soldiers FUCK ING the women of the regions they conquered which further enraged their enemies. The Huns & the Goths finally finished off the Roman Empire and it had nothing to do with homosexuality. In fact one COULD suggest that the act of heterosexual relations between the soldiers & those they conquered had more to do with Romes fall than any gay crap.0

history disagrees with you, but you are free to believe whatever makes you feel good. The moral decline came at the same time as the overreach. Which was the cause and which the effect can be debated, but they both caused the downfall.

I am anything but wrong. I have studied the Egyptian & Roman empires to great length.

Greed & vanity are certainly issues that lead to many countries problems. Having said that suggesting that homosexuality caused or was a part of the reason for their collapse is just dumb.
Many of you are letting your personal agenda cloud your interpretation of historical events.
The Huns & the Goths didn't invade Rome continously because they despised fags.

 

[HappyJoy]

I didn't say you did. I was talking in general. And I hate to break it to you but homosexuality had NOTHING to do with the fall of the Roman Empire

I guess you did not read this part.
Life became cheap in the latter days of the Roman Empire. Burdensome regulation and taxes made manufacturing and trade unprofitable. Families were locked into hereditary trades and vocations allowing little if any vocational choice. Eventually, children were seen as a needless burden and abortion and infanticide became commonplace. In some cases, children were sold into slavery.

Manners and social life fell into debauchery. Under Justinian, entertainment grew bawdier and more bizarre. Orgies and love feasts were common. Homosexuality and bestiality were openly practiced. Under Nero, Christians were blamed for the great fire in Rome and horribly persecuted.

I read it. Most of it is completely irrelevant as it pertains to the fall of the Empire. I gave you the reason. Lewd sexual behavior was ALWAYS a part of Roman life & had absolutely nothing to do with the collapse.

It seems to me that you read a book who's author has a personal opinion that he promotes as fact and you just accept it.

not true, in the early successful days of Rome there were very strict rules of conduct and social right and wrong. When they lost that, they lost it all.

We are following their example. We refuse to learn from history and are therefore doomed to repeat it.

Was that around the same time they adopted Christianity?

No it happened before Christianity.
Pagan Rome history showed that its people had retained a somewhat strong degree of adherence to many basic moral values for much of its history, without which it could not have been a great empire, their gods themselves (mainly being forms of Greek deities) were immoral, and the Roman Empire followed the path of moral degeneration that would be its ruin. The moral deterioration of the Empire is seen to have attained its highest point in the dissolute age of the immoral Roman Emperors, almost all of which were active homosexuals, and who often claimed godhood themselves in order to legitimize their rule.

But how exactly did it happen?

 

[peach174]

The Roman empire did NOT fall because of homosexuality. To suggest so it patently stupid. The Roman empire was toppled because of excessive conquest & the inability to defend all territories as the armies we're spread too thin. Political corruption also was a big factor.

ANYONE who twists those FACTS into an argument about sex in any fashion does not know shit about Roman history.

the Roman empire fell for several reasons. One of them was moral and cultural decline. Others were spin offs of that anything-goes culture. They ate, drank, and screwed instead of managing the empire, paying its bills, outfitting its military, and repairing infrastructure--------------see any similarities to the USA today?

Nonsense

Rome conquered far too much territory as the empire grew. They could not defend their borders from the Goth or the Huns. Constant incursions took a heavy toll and Rome even tried to force submission onto those they conquered via Roman soldiers FUCK ING the women of the regions they conquered which further enraged their enemies. The Huns & the Goths finally finished off the Roman Empire and it had nothing to do with homosexuality. In fact one COULD suggest that the act of heterosexual relations between the soldiers & those they conquered had more to do with Romes fall than any gay crap.0

history disagrees with you, but you are free to believe whatever makes you feel good. The moral decline came at the same time as the overreach. Which was the cause and which the effect can be debated, but they both caused the downfall.

Specifically how did homosexuality cause the downfall of Rome?

I did not say that was the only cause.

They did the same thing to me also.
They don't want to deal with the rest of the reasons.

 

[HappyJoy]

the Roman empire fell for several reasons. One of them was moral and cultural decline. Others were spin offs of that anything-goes culture. They ate, drank, and screwed instead of managing the empire, paying its bills, outfitting its military, and repairing infrastructure--------------see any similarities to the USA today?

Nonsense

Rome conquered far too much territory as the empire grew. They could not defend their borders from the Goth or the Huns. Constant incursions took a heavy toll and Rome even tried to force submission onto those they conquered via Roman soldiers FUCK ING the women of the regions they conquered which further enraged their enemies. The Huns & the Goths finally finished off the Roman Empire and it had nothing to do with homosexuality. In fact one COULD suggest that the act of heterosexual relations between the soldiers & those they conquered had more to do with Romes fall than any gay crap.0

history disagrees with you, but you are free to believe whatever makes you feel good. The moral decline came at the same time as the overreach. Which was the cause and which the effect can be debated, but they both caused the downfall.

Specifically how did homosexuality cause the downfall of Rome?

I did not say that was the only cause.

They did the same thing to me also.
They don't want to deal with the rest of the reasons.

it's specifically been stated that homosexuality was one reason, how so? Simple question.

 

[HUGGY]

our thread says he tries to stop gay marriage, where does he do that?

because the libs know that if the people of each state are given the right to vote, the gay mafia will lose.

You realize it's inevitible gay marriage will happen, right? The percentage of the young who think gays should be able to get married across both parties is overwhelming. It's just a fact. Marijuana is also going to be legal at some point for the same reason

As far as pot goes, we here in WA state were told that allowing people to smoke pot would ruin the state and a whole lot of people would start smoking pot that didn't previously. The truth is that nothing of the sort occurred. They claimed that pot influenced drivers would be crashing cars left and right on our roads and freeways. Nothing of the kind is happening. What is clear from this change in pot laws is that people who don't really know what they are talking about tend to wildly exaggerate how it will effect society.

 

[peach174]

I guess you did not read this part.
Life became cheap in the latter days of the Roman Empire. Burdensome regulation and taxes made manufacturing and trade unprofitable. Families were locked into hereditary trades and vocations allowing little if any vocational choice. Eventually, children were seen as a needless burden and abortion and infanticide became commonplace. In some cases, children were sold into slavery.

Manners and social life fell into debauchery. Under Justinian, entertainment grew bawdier and more bizarre. Orgies and love feasts were common. Homosexuality and bestiality were openly practiced. Under Nero, Christians were blamed for the great fire in Rome and horribly persecuted.

I read it. Most of it is completely irrelevant as it pertains to the fall of the Empire. I gave you the reason. Lewd sexual behavior was ALWAYS a part of Roman life & had absolutely nothing to do with the collapse.

It seems to me that you read a book who's author has a personal opinion that he promotes as fact and you just accept it.

not true, in the early successful days of Rome there were very strict rules of conduct and social right and wrong. When they lost that, they lost it all.

We are following their example. We refuse to learn from history and are therefore doomed to repeat it.

Was that around the same time they adopted Christianity?

No it happened before Christianity.
Pagan Rome history showed that its people had retained a somewhat strong degree of adherence to many basic moral values for much of its history, without which it could not have been a great empire, their gods themselves (mainly being forms of Greek deities) were immoral, and the Roman Empire followed the path of moral degeneration that would be its ruin. The moral deterioration of the Empire is seen to have attained its highest point in the dissolute age of the immoral Roman Emperors, almost all of which were active homosexuals, and who often claimed godhood themselves in order to legitimize their rule.

But how exactly did it happen?

How did what happen?

 

[peach174]

Nonsense

Rome conquered far too much territory as the empire grew. They could not defend their borders from the Goth or the Huns. Constant incursions took a heavy toll and Rome even tried to force submission onto those they conquered via Roman soldiers FUCK ING the women of the regions they conquered which further enraged their enemies. The Huns & the Goths finally finished off the Roman Empire and it had nothing to do with homosexuality. In fact one COULD suggest that the act of heterosexual relations between the soldiers & those they conquered had more to do with Romes fall than any gay crap.0

history disagrees with you, but you are free to believe whatever makes you feel good. The moral decline came at the same time as the overreach. Which was the cause and which the effect can be debated, but they both caused the downfall.

Specifically how did homosexuality cause the downfall of Rome?

I did not say that was the only cause.

They did the same thing to me also.
They don't want to deal with the rest of the reasons.

it's specifically been stated that homosexuality was one reason, how so? Simple question.

Read post 278

 

[HappyJoy]

I read it. Most of it is completely irrelevant as it pertains to the fall of the Empire. I gave you the reason. Lewd sexual behavior was ALWAYS a part of Roman life & had absolutely nothing to do with the collapse.

It seems to me that you read a book who's author has a personal opinion that he promotes as fact and you just accept it.

not true, in the early successful days of Rome there were very strict rules of conduct and social right and wrong. When they lost that, they lost it all.

We are following their example. We refuse to learn from history and are therefore doomed to repeat it.

Was that around the same time they adopted Christianity?

No it happened before Christianity.
Pagan Rome history showed that its people had retained a somewhat strong degree of adherence to many basic moral values for much of its history, without which it could not have been a great empire, their gods themselves (mainly being forms of Greek deities) were immoral, and the Roman Empire followed the path of moral degeneration that would be its ruin. The moral deterioration of the Empire is seen to have attained its highest point in the dissolute age of the immoral Roman Emperors, almost all of which were active homosexuals, and who often claimed godhood themselves in order to legitimize their rule.

But how exactly did it happen?

How did what happen?

How was homosexuality the downfall of Rome? Or, even play a significant part?

 

[HappyJoy]

history disagrees with you, but you are free to believe whatever makes you feel good. The moral decline came at the same time as the overreach. Which was the cause and which the effect can be debated, but they both caused the downfall.

Specifically how did homosexuality cause the downfall of Rome?

I did not say that was the only cause.

They did the same thing to me also.
They don't want to deal with the rest of the reasons.

it's specifically been stated that homosexuality was one reason, how so? Simple question.

Read post 278

Yeah, vague at best.

Then again, if homosexuality can topple empires, where else has this happened?

 

[peach174]

not true, in the early successful days of Rome there were very strict rules of conduct and social right and wrong. When they lost that, they lost it all.

We are following their example. We refuse to learn from history and are therefore doomed to repeat it.

Was that around the same time they adopted Christianity?

No it happened before Christianity.
Pagan Rome history showed that its people had retained a somewhat strong degree of adherence to many basic moral values for much of its history, without which it could not have been a great empire, their gods themselves (mainly being forms of Greek deities) were immoral, and the Roman Empire followed the path of moral degeneration that would be its ruin. The moral deterioration of the Empire is seen to have attained its highest point in the dissolute age of the immoral Roman Emperors, almost all of which were active homosexuals, and who often claimed godhood themselves in order to legitimize their rule.

But how exactly did it happen?

How did what happen?

How was homosexuality the downfall of Rome? Or, even play a significant part?

Where has anyone said that?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

history disagrees with you, but you are free to believe whatever makes you feel good. The moral decline came at the same time as the overreach. Which was the cause and which the effect can be debated, but they both caused the downfall.

Specifically how did homosexuality cause the downfall of Rome?

I did not say that was the only cause.

They did the same thing to me also.
They don't want to deal with the rest of the reasons.

it's specifically been stated that homosexuality was one reason, how so? Simple question.

Read post 278

I like you peach but your understanding of Roman history is very lopsided. Do you even understand the military implications of defending the territories they captured? Have you ever looked at a map of how Rome started and how big it was when the collapse began?

 

[peach174]

Specifically how did homosexuality cause the downfall of Rome?

I did not say that was the only cause.

They did the same thing to me also.
They don't want to deal with the rest of the reasons.

it's specifically been stated that homosexuality was one reason, how so? Simple question.

Read post 278

Yeah, vague at best.

It is very clear.

 

[HappyJoy]

I did not say that was the only cause.

They did the same thing to me also.
They don't want to deal with the rest of the reasons.

it's specifically been stated that homosexuality was one reason, how so? Simple question.

Read post 278

Yeah, vague at best.

It is very clear.

No.

 

[HUGGY]

How would it harm society? I see a lot of people who's sensibilities it would harm but 0 evidence for societal harm

Immoral and Sexual deviancy has brought down many society's all though out history.

Which ones? I keep hearing people make those claims yet when we look at the 'fall' of societies- I can't think of any that did.

The Ottoman Empire? Nope- that was losing World War 1 and rise of secular forces.
The Aztec Empire? Nope- that was caused by the Spanish and the collusion of the Aztec's conquered neighbors.
The Incan Empire? Nope- see above.

The reality is that the United States is the most powerful country in the world- and we have what ancient Jews would consider an immoral society.

The societies that are the least tolerant of 'immoral and sexual deviancy'? Well that would be the repressed of Muslim societies- Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Which do you choose as the most 'moral path'? The United States or Saudi Arabia?

We are tolerant and have always been tolerant. We have never killed gays in this country like the Muslim societies.

The Ottoman Empire killed Armenian Christians because of the rise of Islam and they were seen as a threat.
Aztec's over used their resources as well as the Inca's.

Have you read The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon?
Life became cheap in the latter days of the Roman Empire. Burdensome regulation and taxes made manufacturing and trade unprofitable. Families were locked into hereditary trades and vocations allowing little if any vocational choice. Eventually, children were seen as a needless burden and abortion and infanticide became commonplace. In some cases, children were sold into slavery.

Manners and social life fell into debauchery. Under Justinian, entertainment grew bawdier and more bizarre. Orgies and love feasts were common. Homosexuality and bestiality were openly practiced. Under Nero, Christians were blamed for the great fire in Rome and horribly persecuted.

Similar patterns can be found in other civilizations. In Greece, the music of the young people became wild and coarse. Popular entertainment was brutal and vulgar. Promiscuity, homosexuality, and drunkenness became a daily part of life. And all moral and social restraints were lost leading to greater decadence.

In Carthage, worship turned from Baal to the earth goddess Tanit. "Sacrifices to the goddess of fertility were supposed to ensure productivity, long life, and even greater profits."Ornately carved funeral monuments depicting infant sacrifice can be seen today along with thousands of tiny stone coffins to infants sacrificed to the pagan goddess.

The parallels to our own nation are striking. No, we don't sacrifice infants to a pagan goddess, but we have aborted over 57 million babies on the altar of convenience. And various sexual practices are openly accepted as part of an alternative lifestyle.

It starts out small and continues until the society falls.
First it became acceptable to have sex out or wedlock
Then it became acceptable for couples to move in together without marriage and have children out of wedlock.
Our children are being exposed to violent video games and sex on TV
From acceptance of homosexuality it moves on to, polygamy, to sex with animals and on and on down the line.

It is a combination of all not just sex or homosexuality that leads to the society's downfall.

The Roman empire did NOT fall because of homosexuality. To suggest so it patently stupid. The Roman empire was toppled because of excessive conquest & the inability to defend all territories as the armies we're spread too thin. Political corruption also was a big factor.

ANYONE who twists those FACTS into an argument about sex in any fashion does not know shit about Roman history.

the Roman empire fell for several reasons. One of them was moral and cultural decline. Others were spin offs of that anything-goes culture. They ate, drank, and screwed instead of managing the empire, paying its bills, outfitting its military, and repairing infrastructure--------------see any similarities to the USA today?

I think it was because with the rise of Christianity sales of figures of their many gods fell way off. Hey! don't laugh! It was a big industry back then.

Come to think of it one could argue that Christianity caused the fall of Rome. HMMMMMMMMmmmmm????

It's not doing a bad job of destroying the American government also.

 

[peach174]

Specifically how did homosexuality cause the downfall of Rome?

I did not say that was the only cause.

They did the same thing to me also.
They don't want to deal with the rest of the reasons.

it's specifically been stated that homosexuality was one reason, how so? Simple question.

Read post 278

I like you peach but your understanding of Roman history is very lopsided. Do you even understand the military implications of defending the territories they captured? Have you ever looked at a map of how Rome started and how big it was when the collapse began?

I am no different than many historians who agree with me and they have Ph.D.'s
You just don't like to hear it.

 

[HappyJoy]

I did not say that was the only cause.

They did the same thing to me also.
They don't want to deal with the rest of the reasons.

it's specifically been stated that homosexuality was one reason, how so? Simple question.

Read post 278

I like you peach but your understanding of Roman history is very lopsided. Do you even understand the military implications of defending the territories they captured? Have you ever looked at a map of how Rome started and how big it was when the collapse began?

I am no different than many historians who agree with me and they have Ph.D.'s
You just don't like to hear it.

No, I want to hear it, I've been asking to hear it...now's your chance!

 

[HUGGY]

Ted Cruz Introduces Bills to Stop Gay Marriage

Somebody should introduce the Bills to a decent QB.

 

[peach174]

Immoral and Sexual deviancy has brought down many society's all though out history.

Which ones? I keep hearing people make those claims yet when we look at the 'fall' of societies- I can't think of any that did.

The Ottoman Empire? Nope- that was losing World War 1 and rise of secular forces.
The Aztec Empire? Nope- that was caused by the Spanish and the collusion of the Aztec's conquered neighbors.
The Incan Empire? Nope- see above.

The reality is that the United States is the most powerful country in the world- and we have what ancient Jews would consider an immoral society.

The societies that are the least tolerant of 'immoral and sexual deviancy'? Well that would be the repressed of Muslim societies- Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Which do you choose as the most 'moral path'? The United States or Saudi Arabia?

We are tolerant and have always been tolerant. We have never killed gays in this country like the Muslim societies.

The Ottoman Empire killed Armenian Christians because of the rise of Islam and they were seen as a threat.
Aztec's over used their resources as well as the Inca's.

Have you read The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon?
Life became cheap in the latter days of the Roman Empire. Burdensome regulation and taxes made manufacturing and trade unprofitable. Families were locked into hereditary trades and vocations allowing little if any vocational choice. Eventually, children were seen as a needless burden and abortion and infanticide became commonplace. In some cases, children were sold into slavery.

Manners and social life fell into debauchery. Under Justinian, entertainment grew bawdier and more bizarre. Orgies and love feasts were common. Homosexuality and bestiality were openly practiced. Under Nero, Christians were blamed for the great fire in Rome and horribly persecuted.

Similar patterns can be found in other civilizations. In Greece, the music of the young people became wild and coarse. Popular entertainment was brutal and vulgar. Promiscuity, homosexuality, and drunkenness became a daily part of life. And all moral and social restraints were lost leading to greater decadence.

In Carthage, worship turned from Baal to the earth goddess Tanit. "Sacrifices to the goddess of fertility were supposed to ensure productivity, long life, and even greater profits."Ornately carved funeral monuments depicting infant sacrifice can be seen today along with thousands of tiny stone coffins to infants sacrificed to the pagan goddess.

The parallels to our own nation are striking. No, we don't sacrifice infants to a pagan goddess, but we have aborted over 57 million babies on the altar of convenience. And various sexual practices are openly accepted as part of an alternative lifestyle.

It starts out small and continues until the society falls.
First it became acceptable to have sex out or wedlock
Then it became acceptable for couples to move in together without marriage and have children out of wedlock.
Our children are being exposed to violent video games and sex on TV
From acceptance of homosexuality it moves on to, polygamy, to sex with animals and on and on down the line.

It is a combination of all not just sex or homosexuality that leads to the society's downfall.

The Roman empire did NOT fall because of homosexuality. To suggest so it patently stupid. The Roman empire was toppled because of excessive conquest & the inability to defend all territories as the armies we're spread too thin. Political corruption also was a big factor.

ANYONE who twists those FACTS into an argument about sex in any fashion does not know shit about Roman history.

the Roman empire fell for several reasons. One of them was moral and cultural decline. Others were spin offs of that anything-goes culture. They ate, drank, and screwed instead of managing the empire, paying its bills, outfitting its military, and repairing infrastructure--------------see any similarities to the USA today?

I think it was because with the rise of Christianity sales of figures of their many gods fell way off. Hey! don't laugh! It was a big industry back then.

Come to think of it one could argue that Christianity caused the fall of Rome. HMMMMMMMMmmmmm????

It's not doing a bad job of destroying the American government also.

No it's people like you who are very uninformed and know very little history.

 

[peach174]

They did the same thing to me also.
They don't want to deal with the rest of the reasons.

it's specifically been stated that homosexuality was one reason, how so? Simple question.

Read post 278

I like you peach but your understanding of Roman history is very lopsided. Do you even understand the military implications of defending the territories they captured? Have you ever looked at a map of how Rome started and how big it was when the collapse began?

I am no different than many historians who agree with me and they have Ph.D.'s
You just don't like to hear it.

No, I want to hear it, I've been asking to hear it...now's your chance!

NO you don't want to hear it.
You just want to have fun and argue.