Tea Party

[sameech]

Do you really want to get into a pissing contest about the attendance at Tea Party rallies? Who went to OWS (Occupy Wall Street) happenings except junkies, thieves, rapists and assorted left wing democrats?

perhaps you did not read my posts since my posts have been related to my personal experiences in relation to the Tea Party. If a billion people in China join the Tea Party, it does not have relevance to my experiences. Occupy Wall Street also has no relevance since I do not live on Wall Street.

Say what? Are you posting from freaking China? You don't think OWS has relevance because you don't live on Wall Street? That's so far out of the political argument that it doesn't even make sense.

If you occupy anything in my city, you will be hauled off to jail. Beyond that, yes they have no relevance to my existence. They are just one of the million other political groups out there.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What is the TP's definition of "constitutional government"?

Perhaps you will take the time to read it, OK.

US Constitution

How do wen NOT have a Constitutional government now?

So far no one has really addressed my question. The best guess I have is that Tea Party supporters feel they are more fiscally conservative than the GOP and they believe the US Government is not Constitutional.

Is that a fair assessment?

Not since the Supreme Court ruled that the 14th Amendment doesn't say what it says in order to justify separate but equal state laws.

 

[whitehall]

The point is that the constituents of an arrogant republican politician joined together and defeated him in a primary. Ain't that what the system is all about?

 

[initforme]

"Other than Wisconsin"

Yes, the Tea Party made it perfectly clear they detest firemen, policemen, and teachers. They were there letting everyone know that public workers are no good.

 

[AntiParty]

Not trying to flame, but on what FACTS do you base your impression? The "Tea Party" represents fiscally responsible Republicans and Independents who understand that, once the US Dollar ceases being the world's reserve currency and safe haven, interest on the national debt will bankrupt us. Just do the math.

The Tea Party pretty much has the same platform as most of the other parties. It's outstanding factor is the "Free Market".

The Tea Party and the Libertarian party spit in the face of the Constitutional Commerce Clause while parading themselves as being the "Constitutional parties".

The only reason Americans pay attention to them is because Republicans are too lazy to fix their party.

Some regulation is bad, some isn't. It's time for people to notice the difference.

 

[AntiParty]

"Other than Wisconsin"

Yes, the Tea Party made it perfectly clear they detest firemen, policemen, and teachers. They were there letting everyone know that public workers are no good.

Correct, and Libertarians.

They want citizens to carry any weapon Military can carry because they fear a Communist takeover. They will openly tell you that they think citizens should be able to carry an armed RPG in a mall. We have even seen the roots of this thinking happen today.

Liberty no matter what is the Libertarian platform and profit no matter what is the Tea Party platform. This helps the smallest of minds find a place where they don't have to do any critical thinking. What's funny is that they always try to elaborate their position for the thinkers.......><

 

[AntiParty]

I wish I was Libertarians still. Their thinking is so basic. Liberty no matter what without a thought process.....

A very small amount of research later I realized that no founder ever wanted that. They wanted the People to rule America, not the Government or Corporations that fund the Government.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I am putting this in the CDZ because I would like to have a rational discussion about the Tea Party and its belief system (for a lack of better terms). I will be the first to admit, I have never given the Tea Party a chance. I have my impressions of Tea Party members and their policies...I don't want to get into why I dislike the Tea Party because I do not want to pervert the responses.

To the Tea Party...please explain to me your beliefs and how you differ from the GOP. Explain it like you are talking to a 12 year old.

There is no ‘tea party,’ they’re republicans, rightwing extremists, but republicans nonetheless.

And like most on the right, their rhetoric is made up only of vacuous talking points, no substance or detail, such as ‘less government,’ ‘cut taxes,’ and ‘balanced budget amendment’; inane, ignorant nonsense which has no relation to the real world whatsoever, devoid of sound, responsible governance, and at odds with the Constitution and its case law.

 

[Two Thumbs]

I am putting this in the CDZ because I would like to have a rational discussion about the Tea Party and its belief system (for a lack of better terms). I will be the first to admit, I have never given the Tea Party a chance. I have my impressions of Tea Party members and their policies...I don't want to get into why I dislike the Tea Party because I do not want to pervert the responses.

To the Tea Party...please explain to me your beliefs and how you differ from the GOP. Explain it like you are talking to a 12 year old.

I almost joined b/c I liked their fiscal stances.

but I waited, b/c I felt something horrid would happen, and it did.

The religious right took it the fuck over and ruined it, just like they ruined the gop.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Alright.

We share some beliefs with the GOP, if not all of them. The big difference is that we mean it. Google David Brat for more information.

 

[PratchettFan]

The Tea Party isn't a political party. They carry around copies of the Bill of Rights and say the Pledge to the Flag. They even clean up the area after rallies. The Tea Party is a political pressure group. Since the democrat party is hopeless, they work within the republican party to get the candidates they think best represent their conservative views. They ain't the enemy and they don't hold a candle to the OWS maniacs as far as the ability to call attention to themselves. They work within the system and usually they are out maneuvered by incumbents. It's everybody's dream these days to shake up the political system and the Tea Party has done it. You should love them for it.

I would not say they are out maneuvered. Many of the candidates they support are so outside of the the mainstream they are essentially unelectable. What they are is naive. They say they stand for fiscal responsibility but when their guy gets elected fiscal responsibility simply falls by the wayside. Instead, we get the same fiscal irresponsibility with a direct assault upon personal liberties. Oh, they talk about liberty - but they mean liberty for them, not for others.

Which one of "their guys" let fiscal responsibility fall by the wayside? The democrat party has drifted so far off the charts that JFK looks like a Tea Party candidate and the left's obsession with homosexual candidates got us Barney Frank who told America that Fannie Mae was doing fine when it was on the verge of collapse.

You really need to start paying attention to what is going on where you live. The greatest impact on your life is on the state level, not the federal. No matter what the pundits tell you. If you go back you will see one of my prior posts where I checked on the state representative where I live. No bills sponsored for fiscal responsibility, 16 dealing with sex. That is what I mean by letting fiscal responsibility fall by the wayside. They say one thing, and do another.

Find out who is supported in your state by the tea parties and look at the bills they sponsor. Then make up your mind.

 

[PratchettFan]

I wish I was Libertarians still. Their thinking is so basic. Liberty no matter what without a thought process.....

A very small amount of research later I realized that no founder ever wanted that. They wanted the People to rule America, not the Government or Corporations that fund the Government.

No. They set up a republican government. It was not pure democracy. And the only people who met the definition of "the People" were white, male property owners.

 

[PratchettFan]

The TEA Party is supposed to be about fiscal responsibility. (Taxed Enough Already) I would definitely like to see some fiscal responsibility in our government.

There are any number of "conservative" state governments in this country. Can you point to a single one which has actually reduced the size of the government and state budget?

Other than Wisconsin?

No. By all means, use Wisconsin. According the CAFR's, in 2008 the state spent $21.6 billion with $9 billion in human resources costs. In 2013 they spent $24.8 billion with $12.2 billion in human resources costs. So despite the hype, their expenses went up and the ratio of salary for state employees to total budget increased from a little under 42% to over 49%.

So tell me about Wisconsin.

 

[PratchettFan]

I do not agree with most of your post.

I would say most D and R candidates are outside the mainstream. They are socialists. Yes some TP candidates advocate limited government, lower taxation, rule of law, free market capitalism...all things consider mainstream not long ago, but now due to the dread disease known as statism or progressivism, these views are outside the mainstream. CRAZY!!!

And few TP members are in congress, so how is it that they have abandoned fiscal responsibility? You think a handful of congressmen and a few senators are capable of stopping the progressive/statist juggernaut?

Can you prove they MEAN liberty only for them? I suspect you have been brainwashed by the left wing media, with that foolish statement.

First, I must conclude you have no idea what socialism is. You might want to get educated on that.

I really don't care what you suspect. I watch the legistlation being submitted and draw my conclusions from that. If you prefer not to, that is your choice.

Before I offer the only definition of socialism that makes sense, why don't you tell me what you think it is?

Socialism is an economic system in which the means of production is owned by the community as a whole.

 

[Bush92]

Tea Party believes that the federal government is operating WAY beyond the boundaries of the Constitution and the intent of the Founders. Size, role, and scope of federal authority has changed and they have grabbed power at the expense of the states.There are BIG government Republican's like Graham and McCain. When GOP controlled legislative branch in early 2000's Dennis Hastert and GW Bush spent $$$ like drunken sailors on a Saturday night. The GOP had to be reigned in and D.C. lifers had to be punished in the purge. No GOP Rep or Senator worth his salt will propose a bill that would create a new federal pork barrel program. All we need to do is cut and eliminate programs.

 

[longknife]

Ignoring all the above balderdash, I'd like to set the record straight.

There is NO organized national political party organization called the Tea Party!!!

It's just a boogeyman used by Dimocrats to frighten the uninformed.

 

[chikenwing]

and that everyone should be free to do what they think people should do. So they generally oppose same sex marriage, access to abortion, legalizing drugs, etc.

Ist you express ideals that mirror the libertarian platform,which would be correct,but then you state the opposite,which would be incorrect.

You are repeating what you have heard.

 

[chikenwing]

I am putting this in the CDZ because I would like to have a rational discussion about the Tea Party and its belief system (for a lack of better terms). I will be the first to admit, I have never given the Tea Party a chance. I have my impressions of Tea Party members and their policies...I don't want to get into why I dislike the Tea Party because I do not want to pervert the responses.

To the Tea Party...please explain to me your beliefs and how you differ from the GOP. Explain it like you are talking to a 12 year old.

There is no ‘tea party,’ they’re republicans, rightwing extremists, but republicans nonetheless.

And like most on the right, their rhetoric is made up only of vacuous talking points, no substance or detail, such as ‘less government,’ ‘cut taxes,’ and ‘balanced budget amendment’; inane, ignorant nonsense which has no relation to the real world whatsoever, devoid of sound, responsible governance, and at odds with the Constitution and its case law.

Another mindless hack squawking away.

The people that can relate to "tea Party platform,are independents,sick of the two parties,dems that are sick of the two parties and repubs that are sick of the two parties.

Typical of the left flood the place with bs and hope it sticks with the mindless,and its worked for them in the past.

 

[Bush92]

Ignoring all the above balderdash, I'd like to set the record straight.

There is NO organized national political party organization called the Tea Party!!!

It's just a boogeyman used by Dimocrats to frighten the uninformed.

Tea Party Groups - Locations by State

Tea Party - Join the Movement. Support the Tea Party.

Seems kind of organized to me.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

There are any number of "conservative" state governments in this country. Can you point to a single one which has actually reduced the size of the government and state budget?

Other than Wisconsin?

No. By all means, use Wisconsin. According the CAFR's, in 2008 the state spent $21.6 billion with $9 billion in human resources costs. In 2013 they spent $24.8 billion with $12.2 billion in human resources costs. So despite the hype, their expenses went up and the ratio of salary for state employees to total budget increased from a little under 42% to over 49%.

So tell me about Wisconsin.

Why is everyone, including you, whinging about the way Walker decimated the unions if he didn't? Is it because you are incapable of telling the truth?