Tea Party

[Nutz]

So goes this thread, which was disingenuous from the beginning.

What is disingenuous? I am asking for someone to define the Tea Party and note its differences from the GOP. No one has really answered my question.

I personally see it as a power move in the GOP and all of the Tea Party actions are driven by that battle and not in the interest of the American people. I think the Tea Party approach is childish. I think they infuse race into every issue and try to cater to the lowest of low for support. I think it is Tea Party supporters who rushed to join a militia and threaten an armed insurrection in support of a man who doesn't want to pay his lawful bills like every other American.

The Tea Party actions have been disruption/ obstruction, threats of a revolution and race war, and angry, vitriolic rhetoric...not for the good of our nation, but for the good of the Tea Party movement.

 

[whitehall]

The Tea Party isn't a political party. They carry around copies of the Bill of Rights and say the Pledge to the Flag. They even clean up the area after rallies. The Tea Party is a political pressure group. Since the democrat party is hopeless, they work within the republican party to get the candidates they think best represent their conservative views. They ain't the enemy and they don't hold a candle to the OWS maniacs as far as the ability to call attention to themselves. They work within the system and usually they are out maneuvered by incumbents. It's everybody's dream these days to shake up the political system and the Tea Party has done it. You should love them for it.

I would not say they are out maneuvered. Many of the candidates they support are so outside of the the mainstream they are essentially unelectable. What they are is naive. They say they stand for fiscal responsibility but when their guy gets elected fiscal responsibility simply falls by the wayside. Instead, we get the same fiscal irresponsibility with a direct assault upon personal liberties. Oh, they talk about liberty - but they mean liberty for them, not for others.

Which one of "their guys" let fiscal responsibility fall by the wayside? The democrat party has drifted so far off the charts that JFK looks like a Tea Party candidate and the left's obsession with homosexual candidates got us Barney Frank who told America that Fannie Mae was doing fine when it was on the verge of collapse.

 

[Derideo_Te]

The Tea Party isn't a political party. They carry around copies of the Bill of Rights and say the Pledge to the Flag. They even clean up the area after rallies. The Tea Party is a political pressure group. Since the democrat party is hopeless, they work within the republican party to get the candidates they think best represent their conservative views. They ain't the enemy and they don't hold a candle to the OWS maniacs as far as the ability to call attention to themselves. They work within the system and usually they are out maneuvered by incumbents. It's everybody's dream these days to shake up the political system and the Tea Party has done it. You should love them for it.

Huge difference between shaking up and shaking down!

The establishment GOP is running scared of the TP. That looks more like a shake down that a shake up to me.

The Dems are loving this though. Every time the TP puts a candidate on the ballot they provide ammunition to use against the GOP. For example the "war on women" wasn't dreamed up by the Dems. It was handed to the Dems on a plate by the TP candidates running for federal office saying some really stupid things.

So the TP influence is now so pervasive in the GOP even the Speaker of the House is saying the dumb things too because he knows that his position is in jeopardy come January 2015.

 

[Ibentoken]

So goes this thread, which was disingenuous from the beginning.

What is disingenuous? I am asking for someone to define the Tea Party and note its differences from the GOP. No one has really answered my question.

I personally see it as a power move in the GOP and all of the Tea Party actions are driven by that battle and not in the interest of the American people. I think the Tea Party approach is childish. I think they infuse race into every issue and try to cater to the lowest of low for support. I think it is Tea Party supporters who rushed to join a militia and threaten an armed insurrection in support of a man who doesn't want to pay his lawful bills like every other American.

The Tea Party actions have been disruption/ obstruction, threats of a revolution and race war, and angry, vitriolic rhetoric...not for the good of our nation, but for the good of the Tea Party movement.

The Tea Party supports constitutional government. Your last paragraph is typical propaganda used by supporters of big government and gov't unions.

 

[Derideo_Te]

So goes this thread, which was disingenuous from the beginning.

What is disingenuous? I am asking for someone to define the Tea Party and note its differences from the GOP. No one has really answered my question.

I personally see it as a power move in the GOP and all of the Tea Party actions are driven by that battle and not in the interest of the American people. I think the Tea Party approach is childish. I think they infuse race into every issue and try to cater to the lowest of low for support. I think it is Tea Party supporters who rushed to join a militia and threaten an armed insurrection in support of a man who doesn't want to pay his lawful bills like every other American.

The Tea Party actions have been disruption/ obstruction, threats of a revolution and race war, and angry, vitriolic rhetoric...not for the good of our nation, but for the good of the Tea Party movement.

The Tea Party supports constitutional government. Your last paragraph is typical propaganda used by supporters of big government and gov't unions.

What is the TP's definition of "constitutional government"?

 

[whitehall]

The Tea Party isn't a political party. They carry around copies of the Bill of Rights and say the Pledge to the Flag. They even clean up the area after rallies. The Tea Party is a political pressure group. Since the democrat party is hopeless, they work within the republican party to get the candidates they think best represent their conservative views. They ain't the enemy and they don't hold a candle to the OWS maniacs as far as the ability to call attention to themselves. They work within the system and usually they are out maneuvered by incumbents. It's everybody's dream these days to shake up the political system and the Tea Party has done it. You should love them for it.

Huge difference between shaking up and shaking down!

The establishment GOP is running scared of the TP. That looks more like a shake down that a shake up to me.

The Dems are loving this though. Every time the TP puts a candidate on the ballot they provide ammunition to use against the GOP. For example the "war on women" wasn't dreamed up by the Dems. It was handed to the Dems on a plate by the TP candidates running for federal office saying some really stupid things.

So the TP influence is now so pervasive in the GOP even the Speaker of the House is saying the dumb things too because he knows that his position is in jeopardy come January 2015.[/QUOTE

Who can shake up politicians other than their constituents? Maybe the radical left thinks fondly of Bill Ayers' bombs or the OWS criminal occupation but the best way is to work within the system. The dirty little secret is that there is a tax exempt propaganda empire called Media Matters that is in the business of monitoring (only) conservative speech and they work at it 24/7. The interesting angle is that it's the left wing that obsesses over the Tea Party and offers free advice to the GOP. Why is that? Because they are running scared?

 

[sameech]

I am putting this in the CDZ because I would like to have a rational discussion about the Tea Party and its belief system (for a lack of better terms). I will be the first to admit, I have never given the Tea Party a chance. I have my impressions of Tea Party members and their policies...I don't want to get into why I dislike the Tea Party because I do not want to pervert the responses.

To the Tea Party...please explain to me your beliefs and how you differ from the GOP. Explain it like you are talking to a 12 year old.

My first impression of the Tea Party was when a couple busloads of them showed up in front of the city building in a high dollar shrink wrapped bus opposing Obamacare. A bunch of them got out for about half an hour chanting and such to get their picture taken for the paper then got in the bus and took off again. It was, to say the least, a very staged event. The second time I encountered them was more or less the same way except in front of the building where our Congressman/Senator have offices. Of course the newspaper paints it as the local TP holding a protest, but there was nothing local about them cats.

 

[whitehall]

Eric Cantor committed the worst political sin, the sin of arrogance. He didn't give a shit about his constituency and it showed. He was welcomed on the D.C. cocktail circuit and he was "house majority leader" and couldn't possibly lose a primary election. Even the radical left should appreciate the Tea Party for getting involved.

 

[BobPlumb]

I am putting this in the CDZ because I would like to have a rational discussion about the Tea Party and its belief system (for a lack of better terms). I will be the first to admit, I have never given the Tea Party a chance. I have my impressions of Tea Party members and their policies...I don't want to get into why I dislike the Tea Party because I do not want to pervert the responses.

To the Tea Party...please explain to me your beliefs and how you differ from the GOP. Explain it like you are talking to a 12 year old.

My first impression of the Tea Party was when a couple busloads of them showed up in front of the city building in a high dollar shrink wrapped bus opposing Obamacare. A bunch of them got out for about half an hour chanting and such to get their picture taken for the paper then got in the bus and took off again. It was, to say the least, a very staged event. The second time I encountered them was more or less the same way except in front of the building where our Congressman/Senator have offices. Of course the newspaper paints it as the local TP holding a protest, but there was nothing local about them cats.

Aren't most protests staged events? In my neck of the woods there have been lots of local people involved with the Tea Party. And if there is limited parking where you saw them protest it would make sense from a logistical standpoint that they would meet somewhere else and come in on a bus.

 

[sameech]

I am putting this in the CDZ because I would like to have a rational discussion about the Tea Party and its belief system (for a lack of better terms). I will be the first to admit, I have never given the Tea Party a chance. I have my impressions of Tea Party members and their policies...I don't want to get into why I dislike the Tea Party because I do not want to pervert the responses.

To the Tea Party...please explain to me your beliefs and how you differ from the GOP. Explain it like you are talking to a 12 year old.

My first impression of the Tea Party was when a couple busloads of them showed up in front of the city building in a high dollar shrink wrapped bus opposing Obamacare. A bunch of them got out for about half an hour chanting and such to get their picture taken for the paper then got in the bus and took off again. It was, to say the least, a very staged event. The second time I encountered them was more or less the same way except in front of the building where our Congressman/Senator have offices. Of course the newspaper paints it as the local TP holding a protest, but there was nothing local about them cats.

Aren't most protests staged events? In my neck of the woods there have been lots of local people involved with the Tea Party. And if there is limited parking where you saw them protest it would make sense from a logistical standpoint that they would meet somewhere else and come in on a bus.

Not that staged, and no, there was no parking issue. It was a photo-op event. These were not local folks. We since have TP people running about, but at the time, this was designed to make the local presence appear larger than it was. I live in a city in the middle of the sticks with one of the lowest per capita household incomes in the country. Local folks don't shrink wrap buses.

I have no real issue with the Tea Party. I don't often agree with them. I do think that at least out local Tea Party consists more of anti-tax libertarians who don't want to call themselves libertarians than anything else.

 

[whitehall]

My first impression of the Tea Party was when a couple busloads of them showed up in front of the city building in a high dollar shrink wrapped bus opposing Obamacare. A bunch of them got out for about half an hour chanting and such to get their picture taken for the paper then got in the bus and took off again. It was, to say the least, a very staged event. The second time I encountered them was more or less the same way except in front of the building where our Congressman/Senator have offices. Of course the newspaper paints it as the local TP holding a protest, but there was nothing local about them cats.

Aren't most protests staged events? In my neck of the woods there have been lots of local people involved with the Tea Party. And if there is limited parking where you saw them protest it would make sense from a logistical standpoint that they would meet somewhere else and come in on a bus.

Not that staged, and no, there was no parking issue. It was a photo-op event. These were not local folks. We since have TP people running about, but at the time, this was designed to make the local presence appear larger than it was. I live in a city in the middle of the sticks with one of the lowest per capita household incomes in the country. Local folks don't shrink wrap buses.

I have no real issue with the Tea Party. I don't often agree with them. I do think that at least out local Tea Party consists more of anti-tax libertarians who don't want to call themselves libertarians than anything else.

Do you really want to get into a pissing contest about the attendance at Tea Party rallies? Who went to OWS (Occupy Wall Street) happenings except junkies, thieves, rapists and assorted left wing democrats?

 

[sameech]

Aren't most protests staged events? In my neck of the woods there have been lots of local people involved with the Tea Party. And if there is limited parking where you saw them protest it would make sense from a logistical standpoint that they would meet somewhere else and come in on a bus.

Not that staged, and no, there was no parking issue. It was a photo-op event. These were not local folks. We since have TP people running about, but at the time, this was designed to make the local presence appear larger than it was. I live in a city in the middle of the sticks with one of the lowest per capita household incomes in the country. Local folks don't shrink wrap buses.

I have no real issue with the Tea Party. I don't often agree with them. I do think that at least out local Tea Party consists more of anti-tax libertarians who don't want to call themselves libertarians than anything else.

Do you really want to get into a pissing contest about the attendance at Tea Party rallies? Who went to OWS (Occupy Wall Street) happenings except junkies, thieves, rapists and assorted left wing democrats?

perhaps you did not read my posts since my posts have been related to my personal experiences in relation to the Tea Party. If a billion people in China join the Tea Party, it does not have relevance to my experiences. Occupy Wall Street also has no relevance since I do not live on Wall Street.

 

[BobPlumb]

My first impression of the Tea Party was when a couple busloads of them showed up in front of the city building in a high dollar shrink wrapped bus opposing Obamacare. A bunch of them got out for about half an hour chanting and such to get their picture taken for the paper then got in the bus and took off again. It was, to say the least, a very staged event. The second time I encountered them was more or less the same way except in front of the building where our Congressman/Senator have offices. Of course the newspaper paints it as the local TP holding a protest, but there was nothing local about them cats.

Aren't most protests staged events? In my neck of the woods there have been lots of local people involved with the Tea Party. And if there is limited parking where you saw them protest it would make sense from a logistical standpoint that they would meet somewhere else and come in on a bus.

Not that staged, and no, there was no parking issue. It was a photo-op event. These were not local folks. We since have TP people running about, but at the time, this was designed to make the local presence appear larger than it was. I live in a city in the middle of the sticks with one of the lowest per capita household incomes in the country. Local folks don't shrink wrap buses.

I have no real issue with the Tea Party. I don't often agree with them. I do think that at least out local Tea Party consists more of anti-tax libertarians who don't want to call themselves libertarians than anything else.

Okie doke....

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Not trying to flame, but on what FACTS do you base your impression? The "Tea Party" represents fiscally responsible Republicans and Independents who understand that, once the US Dollar ceases being the world's reserve currency and safe haven, interest on the national debt will bankrupt us. Just do the math.

If that were indeed the case, I would be joining. My impression, based upon the candidates put forth and the people I have talked to, is that the Tea Partys tend to be people who think taxes should be low (unless it is for benefits coming to them) and that everyone should be free to do what they think people should do. So they generally oppose same sex marriage, access to abortion, legalizing drugs, etc. Show me a Tea Party that is for fiscal responsibility and doesn't want the government telling me how to live, they can sign me up.

Your impression is that Ron Paul is opposed to everything he has publicly supported?

Why?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The TEA Party is supposed to be about fiscal responsibility. (Taxed Enough Already) I would definitely like to see some fiscal responsibility in our government.

There are any number of "conservative" state governments in this country. Can you point to a single one which has actually reduced the size of the government and state budget?

Other than Wisconsin?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I would not say they are out maneuvered. Many of the candidates they support are so outside of the the mainstream they are essentially unelectable. What they are is naive. They say they stand for fiscal responsibility but when their guy gets elected fiscal responsibility simply falls by the wayside. Instead, we get the same fiscal irresponsibility with a direct assault upon personal liberties. Oh, they talk about liberty - but they mean liberty for them, not for others.

I do not agree with most of your post.

I would say most D and R candidates are outside the mainstream. They are socialists. Yes some TP candidates advocate limited government, lower taxation, rule of law, free market capitalism...all things consider mainstream not long ago, but now due to the dread disease known as statism or progressivism, these views are outside the mainstream. CRAZY!!!

And few TP members are in congress, so how is it that they have abandoned fiscal responsibility? You think a handful of congressmen and a few senators are capable of stopping the progressive/statist juggernaut?

Can you prove they MEAN liberty only for them? I suspect you have been brainwashed by the left wing media, with that foolish statement.

First, I must conclude you have no idea what socialism is. You might want to get educated on that.

I really don't care what you suspect. I watch the legistlation being submitted and draw my conclusions from that. If you prefer not to, that is your choice.

Before I offer the only definition of socialism that makes sense, why don't you tell me what you think it is?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The Tea Party isn't a political party. They carry around copies of the Bill of Rights and say the Pledge to the Flag. They even clean up the area after rallies. The Tea Party is a political pressure group. Since the democrat party is hopeless, they work within the republican party to get the candidates they think best represent their conservative views. They ain't the enemy and they don't hold a candle to the OWS maniacs as far as the ability to call attention to themselves. They work within the system and usually they are out maneuvered by incumbents. It's everybody's dream these days to shake up the political system and the Tea Party has done it. You should love them for it.

Huge difference between shaking up and shaking down!

The establishment GOP is running scared of the TP. That looks more like a shake down that a shake up to me.

The Dems are loving this though. Every time the TP puts a candidate on the ballot they provide ammunition to use against the GOP. For example the "war on women" wasn't dreamed up by the Dems. It was handed to the Dems on a plate by the TP candidates running for federal office saying some really stupid things.

So the TP influence is now so pervasive in the GOP even the Speaker of the House is saying the dumb things too because he knows that his position is in jeopardy come January 2015.

You don't like the GOP establishment, but object to them being challenged.

Is the Tea Party demanding money from the GOP? Not a shakedown.

By they way, I can prove Boehner was saying dumb things long before the Tea Party came along.

 

[Ernie S.]

What is disingenuous? I am asking for someone to define the Tea Party and note its differences from the GOP. No one has really answered my question.

I personally see it as a power move in the GOP and all of the Tea Party actions are driven by that battle and not in the interest of the American people. I think the Tea Party approach is childish. I think they infuse race into every issue and try to cater to the lowest of low for support. I think it is Tea Party supporters who rushed to join a militia and threaten an armed insurrection in support of a man who doesn't want to pay his lawful bills like every other American.

The Tea Party actions have been disruption/ obstruction, threats of a revolution and race war, and angry, vitriolic rhetoric...not for the good of our nation, but for the good of the Tea Party movement.

The Tea Party supports constitutional government. Your last paragraph is typical propaganda used by supporters of big government and gov't unions.

What is the TP's definition of "constitutional government"?

Perhaps you will take the time to read it, OK.

US Constitution

 

[Nutz]

The Tea Party supports constitutional government. Your last paragraph is typical propaganda used by supporters of big government and gov't unions.

What is the TP's definition of "constitutional government"?

Perhaps you will take the time to read it, OK.

US Constitution

How do wen NOT have a Constitutional government now?

So far no one has really addressed my question. The best guess I have is that Tea Party supporters feel they are more fiscally conservative than the GOP and they believe the US Government is not Constitutional.

Is that a fair assessment?

 

[whitehall]

Not that staged, and no, there was no parking issue. It was a photo-op event. These were not local folks. We since have TP people running about, but at the time, this was designed to make the local presence appear larger than it was. I live in a city in the middle of the sticks with one of the lowest per capita household incomes in the country. Local folks don't shrink wrap buses.

I have no real issue with the Tea Party. I don't often agree with them. I do think that at least out local Tea Party consists more of anti-tax libertarians who don't want to call themselves libertarians than anything else.

Do you really want to get into a pissing contest about the attendance at Tea Party rallies? Who went to OWS (Occupy Wall Street) happenings except junkies, thieves, rapists and assorted left wing democrats?

perhaps you did not read my posts since my posts have been related to my personal experiences in relation to the Tea Party. If a billion people in China join the Tea Party, it does not have relevance to my experiences. Occupy Wall Street also has no relevance since I do not live on Wall Street.

Say what? Are you posting from freaking China? You don't think OWS has relevance because you don't live on Wall Street? That's so far out of the political argument that it doesn't even make sense.