Taliban leader admits tough Obama will win the war that Bush failed

The Taliban offensives are not going so well for them;

239 Insurgents Killed in Nangarhar and Kandahar

Written by Shakila Abrahimkhil Thursday, 07 August 2014 18:16

Two separate Afghan forces operations carried out in Kandahar and Nangarhar provinces this week in response to recent Taliban offensives left 239 militants dead.

Local officials in Kandahar have said that, in an operation in Zharai district, 170 Taliban members were killed and five others wounded.

Meanwhile, in a separate operation in Nangarhar, 69 anti-government militants were killed. Security officials have attributed at least part of the damage inflicted on their enemy to help from NATO air-strikes.

Its great to see so many Taliban die at one time isn't it?
 
The Taliban offensives are not going so well for them;

239 Insurgents Killed in Nangarhar and Kandahar

Written by Shakila Abrahimkhil Thursday, 07 August 2014 18:16

Two separate Afghan forces operations carried out in Kandahar and Nangarhar provinces this week in response to recent Taliban offensives left 239 militants dead.

Local officials in Kandahar have said that, in an operation in Zharai district, 170 Taliban members were killed and five others wounded.

Meanwhile, in a separate operation in Nangarhar, 69 anti-government militants were killed. Security officials have attributed at least part of the damage inflicted on their enemy to help from NATO air-strikes.

Its great to see so many Taliban die at one time isn't it?

Still can not admit that Obama is a failure...

Oh well I guess you have to defend what you voted for twice.
 
N, you really need to read the SOFA. You also need to read analysis of it.

Since you are the one conveniently citing "ambiguity" in the SOFA as some kind of patch job defense of your argument, you must provide me with whatever direct language contained in the SOFA. I need to see where exactly in that document you are coming up with this cockamaymee story that the SOFA of 2008 was addressing the status of forces that would 'supposedly' be in Iraq in 2012 and beyond. Could you cut and paste the paragraph you are citing?


Better yet, go find a copy of the PBS special called "Losing Iraq".

I am not interested in watching a PBS documentary titled 'losing Iraq' . Iraq was never ours to win or lose. The title sounds like piss poor journalism and PBS is certainly capable of it.

I'll go by the facts I've presented until someone here can challenge them with conclusive facts if their own.


The fact still is that you were completely wrong that Obama insisted that a 2012 SOFA be approved by Iraq's Parliament and that it did not have that hurdle in 2008. You are wrong and your latest post appears to be an attempt to dance around long enough so you won't have to admit you were wrong. I am not fooled by your dancing.
 
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The Taliban offensives are not going so well for them;

239 Insurgents Killed in Nangarhar and Kandahar

Written by Shakila Abrahimkhil Thursday, 07 August 2014 18:16

Two separate Afghan forces operations carried out in Kandahar and Nangarhar provinces this week in response to recent Taliban offensives left 239 militants dead.

Local officials in Kandahar have said that, in an operation in Zharai district, 170 Taliban members were killed and five others wounded.

Meanwhile, in a separate operation in Nangarhar, 69 anti-government militants were killed. Security officials have attributed at least part of the damage inflicted on their enemy to help from NATO air-strikes.

Its great to see so many Taliban die at one time isn't it?

Still can not admit that Obama is a failure...


If 239 Taliban fighters and leaders being blown to bits and sent to hell is indicative in your thoughts as an Obama failure, then your fondness and sympathies for the insurgents in Afghanistan is duly noted.

Every Taliban killer that is terminated is a success in my view. Success that is credited to our brave men and women in uniform, the Afghan men and women who are our partners, and every nation that contributes to the demise of the Taliban and the build up of Afghan forces who are capturing and killing the Taliban every day.
 
What you keep confusing are the troops that were currently there ....and the immunity issues relevant to them...........and the supposed 30,000 or so troops that would be left there after Dec 2011.

What I kept talking about was immunity for the Residual forces that were being planned to be left there. Between 30-50K were originally talked about. Even 10K probably would've been enough to at least hold the gains we had worked so hard for.


What you keep harping on were the troops that were already there. What you don't seem to understand that enough ambiguity had been written into the SOFA for THEM that there was really no worry about immunity issues, except if someone did something really fucking egregious. And even in that case the Bush team had written enough language to get us out of that conundrum

Soooooooooo when people talk about immunity that O didn't fight for....was for the Residual force that even Maliki expected to be left until O just decided one day to remove ALL of them.


Post the language in the 2008 SOFA where you claim that ".... the Bush team had written enough language to get us out of that conundrum"

I suspect you are making that up as part of your ruse to hide the FACT that Bush negotiated the deadline for all US troops to depart Iraq and Obama had no options available if the Iraqis were opposed to amending it.
 
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The Taliban offensives are not going so well for them;



Its great to see so many Taliban die at one time isn't it?

Still can not admit that Obama is a failure...


If 239 Taliban fighters and leaders being blown to bits and sent to hell is indicative in your thoughts as an Obama failure, then your fondness and sympathies for the insurgents in Afghanistan is duly noted.

Every Taliban killer that is terminated is a success in my view. Success that is credited to our brave men and women in uniform, the Afghan men and women who are our partners, and every nation that contributes to the demise of the Taliban and the build up of Afghan forces who are capturing and killing the Taliban every day.

Obama is back in Iraq illegally and now you want to look the other way?

Typical far left poster.. Where is that outrage we saw from the far left in 2003 - 2009?

Oh that's right the letter behind ones name means more than anything else.
 
Still can not admit that Obama is a failure...


If 239 Taliban fighters and leaders being blown to bits and sent to hell is indicative in your thoughts as an Obama failure, then your fondness and sympathies for the insurgents in Afghanistan is duly noted.

Every Taliban killer that is terminated is a success in my view. Success that is credited to our brave men and women in uniform, the Afghan men and women who are our partners, and every nation that contributes to the demise of the Taliban and the build up of Afghan forces who are capturing and killing the Taliban every day.

Obama is back in Iraq illegally and now you want to look the other way?

Typical far left poster.. Where is that outrage we saw from the far left in 2003 - 2009?

Oh that's right the letter behind ones name means more than anything else.


The Brits are staying in Afghanistan. Good for them.

UK ties long-term Afghanistan commitment to security agreement By Ghanizada - Tue Nov 12 2013, 9:33 am

Philip-Hammond-the-transp-006British Defense Secretary, Philip Hammond has warned that Britain will end its long term military commitment to Afghanistan, if the government of Afghanistan fails to finalize a security deal with the international coalition security forces.

Philip Hammond visited Afghanistan to inaugurate the largest military academy built with the United Kingdom’s support in capital Kabul.

Hammond told BBC that the Britain will keep military trainers in Afghanistan once the agreement signed with the international forces that will give immunity for the foreign forces from prosecution under the Afghan law.

“Without those agreements we can’t do anything because we won’t be able to protect our own people and clearly if we can’t protect our own people we won’t be able to have them here,” Hammond said.


Obama's Trained Afghan Army and Police with NATO Airstrikes are killin Taliban left and right. Oh this must be painful for Obama haters to see.


08/12/14 KP: MoI says 75 Taliban killed during counter-terrorism operations At least 75 Taliban militants were killed following counter-terrorism operations in the past 24 hours, the Ministry of Interior (MoI) said. A statement released by MoI said, the militants were killed in Nangarhar,



in eastern Afghanistan today. 08/11/14 KP: Senior Taliban leaders among 21 killed in NATO airstrike At least 21 Taliban militants were killed following an airstrike by NATO-led coalition forces in southern Helmand province of Afghanistan. Provincial government media office, following a statement, said the airstrike was carried out on Sunday in Marjah district.





Taliban suffer heavy casualties in Afghan forces operations


By Ghanizada - Sun Aug 10 2014, 11:25 am

Afghan special forces policeAt least 96 Taliban militants were killed or injured during military operations by Afghan national security forces in the past 24 hours.

Interior ministry following a statement said Sunday that the operations were jointly conducted by Afghan National Police (ANP), Afghan National Army (ANA) and Afghan Intelligence – National Directorate of Security (NDS) operatives.

The statement further added that the operations were conducted in Nangarhar, Zabul, Logar, Helmand, Badakhshn, Farah and Uruzgan provinces.

At least 96 Taliban militants were killed, 56 militants were injured and 12 others including Taliban leaders Mullah Khudai Rahim, Mullah Abdul Basir and Ajmal were arrested during the operations, the statement by interior ministry added.

Afghan security forces also confiscated various types of light and heavy weapons along with explosives and 442 improvised explosive device (IED) and 220 kg f hashish during the operations.

iCasualties | Operation Enduring Freedom | Afghanistan
 
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By Rob Crilly, Islamabad
12:00PM BST 21 Jul 2014
Agha Jan Motasim says withdrawal of Nato forces this year will also make it harder for militants to justify their war

A veteran Taliban leader has offered a startling view of Afghanistan's conflict, saying militants no longer have the support they need to overrun the country when Nato combat forces leave.

In an interview with Pakistan’s Express Tribune newspaper, Agha Jan Motasim also said the withdrawal of occupying troops would rob the insurgency of its legitimacy and repeated his earlier calls for a negotiated settlement.

The Taliban cannot retake Afghanistan, says senior insurgent leader - Telegraph

This soundly dismisses the right wing talking points that Obama is weak. Our troops and our allies and the ANP and ANA have turned around the failed military policy of Bush and Cheney that left such a mess in Afghanistan in 2008 when the Taliban operated unchallenged in 80% of Afghanistan.


what a surprise, the Taliban and the liberals have the same talking points.
 
If 239 Taliban fighters and leaders being blown to bits and sent to hell is indicative in your thoughts as an Obama failure, then your fondness and sympathies for the insurgents in Afghanistan is duly noted.

Every Taliban killer that is terminated is a success in my view. Success that is credited to our brave men and women in uniform, the Afghan men and women who are our partners, and every nation that contributes to the demise of the Taliban and the build up of Afghan forces who are capturing and killing the Taliban every day.

Obama is back in Iraq illegally and now you want to look the other way?

Typical far left poster.. Where is that outrage we saw from the far left in 2003 - 2009?

Oh that's right the letter behind ones name means more than anything else.


The Brits are staying in Afghanistan. Good for them.




Obama's Trained Afghan Army and Police with NATO Airstrikes are killin Taliban left and right. Oh this must be painful for Obama haters to see.






in eastern Afghanistan today. 08/11/14 KP: Senior Taliban leaders among 21 killed in NATO airstrike At least 21 Taliban militants were killed following an airstrike by NATO-led coalition forces in southern Helmand province of Afghanistan. Provincial government media office, following a statement, said the airstrike was carried out on Sunday in Marjah district.





Taliban suffer heavy casualties in Afghan forces operations


By Ghanizada - Sun Aug 10 2014, 11:25 am

Afghan special forces policeAt least 96 Taliban militants were killed or injured during military operations by Afghan national security forces in the past 24 hours.

Interior ministry following a statement said Sunday that the operations were jointly conducted by Afghan National Police (ANP), Afghan National Army (ANA) and Afghan Intelligence – National Directorate of Security (NDS) operatives.

The statement further added that the operations were conducted in Nangarhar, Zabul, Logar, Helmand, Badakhshn, Farah and Uruzgan provinces.

At least 96 Taliban militants were killed, 56 militants were injured and 12 others including Taliban leaders Mullah Khudai Rahim, Mullah Abdul Basir and Ajmal were arrested during the operations, the statement by interior ministry added.

Afghan security forces also confiscated various types of light and heavy weapons along with explosives and 442 improvised explosive device (IED) and 220 kg f hashish during the operations.

iCasualties | Operation Enduring Freedom | Afghanistan







Soooooo, the Brits are staying are they? :lol::lol::lol: Your reporting is every bit as believable as your Obama beating the Taliban horse poo.:lol::lol:



"Britain has now reached a major milestone in the drawdown from Afghanistan as it works towards withdrawing all combat troops by the end of the year.

A total of 448 UK forces personnel have died in the country since the conflict began in 2001 - and more than 5,000 still remain there.


But in an operation lasting more than a month, three of the largest British bases in Helmand have now been closed down or handed over to Afghan control - with just one base, Sterga 2, remaining in the province, effectively becoming the UK's front line in the area."


British troops continue withdrawal from Afghanistan | Mail Online
 
Obama is back in Iraq illegally and now you want to look the other way?

Typical far left poster.. Where is that outrage we saw from the far left in 2003 - 2009?

Oh that's right the letter behind ones name means more than anything else.


The Brits are staying in Afghanistan. Good for them.




Obama's Trained Afghan Army and Police with NATO Airstrikes are killin Taliban left and right. Oh this must be painful for Obama haters to see.












Taliban suffer heavy casualties in Afghan forces operations


By Ghanizada - Sun Aug 10 2014, 11:25 am

Afghan special forces policeAt least 96 Taliban militants were killed or injured during military operations by Afghan national security forces in the past 24 hours.

Interior ministry following a statement said Sunday that the operations were jointly conducted by Afghan National Police (ANP), Afghan National Army (ANA) and Afghan Intelligence – National Directorate of Security (NDS) operatives.

The statement further added that the operations were conducted in Nangarhar, Zabul, Logar, Helmand, Badakhshn, Farah and Uruzgan provinces.

At least 96 Taliban militants were killed, 56 militants were injured and 12 others including Taliban leaders Mullah Khudai Rahim, Mullah Abdul Basir and Ajmal were arrested during the operations, the statement by interior ministry added.

Afghan security forces also confiscated various types of light and heavy weapons along with explosives and 442 improvised explosive device (IED) and 220 kg f hashish during the operations.

iCasualties | Operation Enduring Freedom | Afghanistan







Soooooo, the Brits are staying are they? :lol::lol::lol: Your reporting is every bit as believable as your Obama beating the Taliban horse poo.:lol::lol:



"Britain has now reached a major milestone in the drawdown from Afghanistan as it works towards withdrawing all combat troops by the end of the year.

A total of 448 UK forces personnel have died in the country since the conflict began in 2001 - and more than 5,000 still remain there.


But in an operation lasting more than a month, three of the largest British bases in Helmand have now been closed down or handed over to Afghan control - with just one base, Sterga 2, remaining in the province, effectively becoming the UK's front line in the area."


British troops continue withdrawal from Afghanistan | Mail Online



They are not ALL leaving:

. UK ties long-term Afghanistan commitment to security agreement By Ghanizada - Tue Nov 12 2013, 9:33 am

Philip-Hammond-the-transp-006British Defense Secretary, Philip Hammond has warned that Britain will end its long term military commitment to Afghanistan, if the government of Afghanistan fails to finalize a security deal with the international coalition security forces.

Philip Hammond visited Afghanistan to inaugurate the largest military academy built with the United Kingdom’s support in capital Kabul.

Hammond told BBC that the Britain will keep military trainers in Afghanistan once the agreement signed with the international forces that will give immunity for the foreign forces from prosecution under the Afghan law.

“Without those agreements we can’t do anything because we won’t be able to protect our own people and clearly if we can’t protect our own people we won’t be able to have them here,” Hammond said.


People that are ignorant of the facts should not insult those of us that do.
 
He isnt a liar. But he is telling the president what he wants to hear. Recall what happened to McChrystal when he told the truth.

Just like Iraq is now wartorn. Once our troops were gone I knew Iraq would be taken over by those Sharia law jihadists.

So why did Obama allow that to happen in Iraq, with predicted results?


What predicted results? Claudette predicted wrong. Iraq has not been taken over by terrorists or jihadists.
 
The Taliban cannot retake Afghanistan, says senior insurgent leader - Telegraph

This soundly dismisses the right wing talking points that Obama is weak. Our troops and our allies and the ANP and ANA have turned around the failed military policy of Bush and Cheney that left such a mess in Afghanistan in 2008 when the Taliban operated unchallenged in 80% of Afghanistan.
obama has a hard time getting his diaper changed how in the hell is that baby going to be tough on anyone?
 
what a surprise, the Taliban and the liberals have the same talking points.

The Taliban think they can take over in Afghanistan if all foreign troops leave. Most of the posters here agree with the terrorists on that despite evidence to the contrary.

I think the Taliban and all those who believe them are fools. No shared talking points on my part.
 
obama has a hard time getting his diaper changed how in the hell is that baby going to be tough on anyone?


Obama does not have to be tough personally to make life tough for the Taliban. He has pursued strategy that the good people of Afghanistan and their own security forces be on the front lines being tough on the Taliban.

Only idiots would want Americans to be fighting the insurgency for the Afghans instead of assisting the Afghans to fight for themselves.

The other idiots are those that think Obama should have quit the war that Bush was losing in 2008 and allow the Taliban to prevail.
 
Obama does not have to be tough personally to make life tough for the Taliban. He has pursued strategy that the good people of Afghanistan and their own security forces be on the front lines being tough on the Taliban.

Only idiots would want Americans to be fighting the insurgency for the Afghans instead of assisting the Afghans to fight for themselves.

The other idiots are those that think Obama should have quit the war that Bush was losing in 2008 and allow the Taliban to prevail.
Horse shit obama is a child he's is not a leader he's a punk ass bitch.
 
The critical thinking skills in this country have taken a vacation....

I must admit EconChick is right about something for once in her life. Bigrebnc affirms her point:

Horse shit obama is a child he's is not a leader he's a punk ass bitch.

I am glad that bigrebnc is on EconChick's hateful side. Haters do lack critical thinking skills I must agree.
 
EconChick must think her posts are no longer available:

She wrote "It was a placeholder that served multiple purposes."


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Might have been but I just knew the minute our troops were gone so was Iraq.

As soon as the last of our troops pull out of Stan then the Taliban will be right back in control of the country as Karsai and his army will never hold it.

The withdrawals were all planned on Bush's agenda and that fuck in the Wh is just following those plans. Doubt any of the jihadist dirtbags think he's any tougher that Bush or any other leader in America.

Claudette, I agree with your instincts about Iraq and Afghanistan! Just one modification to your post, though. We've been talking about it at length in the "Putin Kills 298 People..." thread for some reason. It was never Bush's plan to leave NO troops there. That's been widely distorted by the entire dumbass press.

It was a placeholder that served multiple purposes. One was to put pressure on Maliki (as in we'll pull completely out and leave you in a lurch if you don't do what we need), another was because they couldn't negotiate it completely until someone knew what the conditions were going to be under the next president, but most of all, it was a placeholder never meant to be final.

You can read statements by numerous key Bush military, diplomatic, and legislative allies that indicated indeed they WERE negotiating to leave around 30,000 troops. But they couldn't complete it since Bush's team wouldn't be in power when 2012 hit.

So though the "placeholder" document read a certain way, people were working pretty hard behind the scenes to keep as close to 30K troops there as possible.

They even had a tentative agreement with Maliki.

But then President DumbFuck rolls in, and drops the entire ball. Not only did he (his team)not even negotiate hard, they didn't want to negotiate hard. It was all about his pacifist fucking campaign promise to get all troops out.

Sooooo, what's he do, he tells Maliki - who wanted a lot of troops left to assist him - that he could only have about 3,000 troops AND President DumbFuck inserts a POISON PILL. He requires that the Iraqi Legislature had to approve the agreement. Well a) that's difficult for a western legis but especially for one as messy as this one but b) that has never been a requirement in any of the 40 other SOFA agreements we have with other nations.

We held a LOT of cards and he could've gotten immunity if he wanted it - like his lying ass did two weeks ago - but with the impossible requests to Maliki, Maliki told him that fighting to just get 3000 troops wasn't worth it the hoops he had to jump through.

Obama sabotaged the negotiations. But OUR FUCKING WORTHLESS IGNORANT CORRUPT PRESS IS TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND COMPLEX NEG'S and ARE JUST AS PACIFIST.

Because of Obama's sabotage of SOFA, we were forced to leave Iraq vulnerable and many of us predicted - just as you have Claudette - that Iraq would collapse.


So please folks, anyone interested in dealing in truth, please help override the corrupt press and WH and get the actual truth out to the public. Which is already happening on Twitter and other parts of the internet.

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The last source I'd use to prove a point would be Wikipedia, even if it were my point.

What is your source that tells you that the 2008 SOFA between Iraq and the US was not voted upon in the Iraq Parliament as Wikipedia tells the entire world that it was voted on by the Parliament?

Surely one so wise could find a source that says the vote in Iraq's Parluament never took place.

So lets see what you got.

I can find all kinds of sources that confirm that Iraq's Parliament voted to accept the SOFA in 2008.

Here's just one from Fox News:

If the Cabinet passes the draft agreement Sunday, the 275-seat parliament could follow suit because the political blocs in al-Maliki's government dominate the legislature. The agreement needs a simple majority to pass in parliament.


Iraq's Cabinet Set for Vote on Security Pact With U.S. | Fox News

So you were absolutely incorrect to state that Obama inserted a poison pill because he wanted the Parliament in Iraq to pass the SOFA after Bush's deadline for withdrawal ran out.

Why do you keep disseminating liberal talking points??


Why did you make up that story about Obama and the poison pill and the Iraq Legislature? Don't you apply standards of factual integrity to what you write? If you go around scolding others you should at least hold yourself accountable for the inflammatory and proven untrue things that you write. The poison pill was a doozy.
 
It was a placeholder, go back to driveling old man, you've already been completely discredited.
 
You're been paid to go out on the internet and obfuscate, Tokyo Rose. Everyone knows it. Hang it up, dummy.
 

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