Stupid Bastards Haven't Learned A Thing

[Cammmpbell]

The spokesmen for the Republican congress have already said they will not entertain any proposal which allows the Bush tax cuts to expire. These are the people who put the 2011 expiration date in the plan to begin with.

If the Republican party doesn't begin to gather it's shit it will become extinct. All anyone has to do is look at tax rates on this chart to see that when the wealthy do their part the middle class is healthier and the debt is less. Pay particular attention to the rates just before the great depression:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

 

[asaratis]

The spokesmen for the Republican congress have already said they will not entertain any proposal which allows the Bush tax cuts to expire. These are the people who put the 2011 expiration date in the plan to begin with.

If the Republican party doesn't begin to gather it's shit it will become extinct. All anyone has to do is look at tax rates on this chart to see that when the wealthy do their part the middle class is healthier and the debt is less. Pay particular attention to the rates just before the great depression:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

That was then. This is now. When the time was fixed to let them expire, it was thought that the economy would be much better and we would not be in the middle of a recession.

The recession changes the rules. We do NOT need for the cuts to expire.

We need for OBAMACARE to be repealed!

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

The middleclass does better? That's nonsense. Your chart shows no such thing, nor could it given the fact that it's not true.

You're outside your mind.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/260908-four-more-years-of-insanity.html#post6298353

 

[g5000]

I don't think it has quite sunk in yet with some people.

ObamaCare is now going to go into full effect. It's a done deal as of last night.


Allow yourself some time to let that settle in.


.

 

[hazlnut]

The spokesmen for the Republican congress have already said they will not entertain any proposal which allows the Bush tax cuts to expire. These are the people who put the 2011 expiration date in the plan to begin with.

If the Republican party doesn't begin to gather it's shit it will become extinct. All anyone has to do is look at tax rates on this chart to see that when the wealthy do their part the middle class is healthier and the debt is less. Pay particular attention to the rates just before the great depression:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

Here's the great thing, Obama holds all the cards. No legislation passes w/o his signature.


The BUSH tax cuts for > $500,000 need to go. Plus many loophole for super-rich.

 

[Photonic]

The spokesmen for the Republican congress have already said they will not entertain any proposal which allows the Bush tax cuts to expire. These are the people who put the 2011 expiration date in the plan to begin with.

If the Republican party doesn't begin to gather it's shit it will become extinct. All anyone has to do is look at tax rates on this chart to see that when the wealthy do their part the middle class is healthier and the debt is less. Pay particular attention to the rates just before the great depression:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

That was then. This is now. When the time was fixed to let them expire, it was thought that the economy would be much better and we would not be in the middle of a recession.

The recession changes the rules. We do NOT need for the cuts to expire.

We need for OBAMACARE to be repealed!

Repealing Obamacare would cost the american taxpayers another 280 billion, thanks for showing your true colors.

 

[Cammmpbell]

The spokesmen for the Republican congress have already said they will not entertain any proposal which allows the Bush tax cuts to expire. These are the people who put the 2011 expiration date in the plan to begin with.

If the Republican party doesn't begin to gather it's shit it will become extinct. All anyone has to do is look at tax rates on this chart to see that when the wealthy do their part the middle class is healthier and the debt is less. Pay particular attention to the rates just before the great depression:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

That was then. This is now. When the time was fixed to let them expire, it was thought that the economy would be much better and we would not be in the middle of a recession.

The recession changes the rules. We do NOT need for the cuts to expire.

We need for OBAMACARE to be repealed!

Horse shit.....when Bill Clinton immediately raised tax rates on the wealthy in 1993 the Republicans screamed to high heaven. Then we created 22 million new jobs and in about six years bought back some debt and actually ran a surplus for three fy's. Then along came slow walkin George and cut taxes twice using reconciliation to block Democratic opposition, doubled the national debt and wrecked the economy. What do you think most of the nation just finished trying to tell you dumbasses?

 

[rightwinger]

I thought the Bush tax cuts automatically expire

What are Republicans offering to save them?

 

[Oldstyle]

The spokesmen for the Republican congress have already said they will not entertain any proposal which allows the Bush tax cuts to expire. These are the people who put the 2011 expiration date in the plan to begin with.

If the Republican party doesn't begin to gather it's shit it will become extinct. All anyone has to do is look at tax rates on this chart to see that when the wealthy do their part the middle class is healthier and the debt is less. Pay particular attention to the rates just before the great depression:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

Here's the great thing, Obama holds all the cards. No legislation passes w/o his signature.


The BUSH tax cuts for > $500,000 need to go. Plus many loophole for super-rich.

They are the same cards he's been holding for the past two years...

How that changes the math on tax cuts mystifies me. Taxing the rich was a great "election strategy" message. The problem that Barry now faces is that "message" might have gotten him re-elected but that doesn't mean it will work in the real world because it will slow an already anemic economy.

 

[Oldstyle]

The spokesmen for the Republican congress have already said they will not entertain any proposal which allows the Bush tax cuts to expire. These are the people who put the 2011 expiration date in the plan to begin with.

If the Republican party doesn't begin to gather it's shit it will become extinct. All anyone has to do is look at tax rates on this chart to see that when the wealthy do their part the middle class is healthier and the debt is less. Pay particular attention to the rates just before the great depression:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

That was then. This is now. When the time was fixed to let them expire, it was thought that the economy would be much better and we would not be in the middle of a recession.

The recession changes the rules. We do NOT need for the cuts to expire.

We need for OBAMACARE to be repealed!

Horse shit.....when Bill Clinton immediately raised tax rates on the wealthy in 1993 the Republicans screamed to high heaven. Then we created 22 million new jobs and in about six years bought back some debt and actually ran a surplus for three fy's. Then along came slow walkin George and cut taxes twice using reconciliation to block Democratic opposition, doubled the national debt and wrecked the economy. What do you think most of the nation just finished trying to tell you dumbasses?

Bill Clinton was able to raise taxes because of the Dot Com Boom. Do you see any "booms" going on right now, Einstein? So when Barry raises taxes what do you think is going to happen? Are you REALLY stupid enough to think that will create 20 million new jobs?

 

[Munin]

I thought the Bush tax cuts automatically expire

What are Republicans offering to save them?

Yeah, the reps have nothing to bargen for. The reps don't have the power to extend the taxcuts, they need the dems for that. And reps haven't shown that they re capable of being bipartisan (except for governor christie, but certainly not in the federal gov), so it will probably be blackmailing with a deadlock

 

[Vel]

The spokesmen for the Republican congress have already said they will not entertain any proposal which allows the Bush tax cuts to expire. These are the people who put the 2011 expiration date in the plan to begin with.

If the Republican party doesn't begin to gather it's shit it will become extinct. All anyone has to do is look at tax rates on this chart to see that when the wealthy do their part the middle class is healthier and the debt is less. Pay particular attention to the rates just before the great depression:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

Hey Jackass.. The vote was for the status quo. There is no mandate to go along with Obama policies. If voters wanted a "change" then Mitt Romney would have won.

 

[Vel]

I thought the Bush tax cuts automatically expire

What are Republicans offering to save them?

Let them expire. Republicans need to stand back and watch it happen.

 

[Oldstyle]

The problem that Barry now faces is that he's locked into tax increases on the wealthy even though it's a given that it will slow down the economy. That's the reason he didn't do them back in 2009 when he held super majorities...he understood enough about economics to grasp that doing so would result in fewer jobs and a slower economy when it was already abysmal.

But let's be honest...he got his second term...what does he care if the economy goes in the tank again?

 

[Newby]

I thought the Bush tax cuts automatically expire
What are Republicans offering to save them?

They were supposed to, and they will if nothing is done by January. But, that's what you guys wanted, so there should be no interest on the left in 'saving' them, the right has nothing to lose any longer so should let them expire. Repeal them and see what happens.

 

[Newby]

I thought the Bush tax cuts automatically expire

What are Republicans offering to save them?

Let them expire. Republicans need to stand back and watch it happen.

Exactly, I hope they let them expire and the left finally gets what they want.

 

[DiamondDave]

The spokesmen for the Republican congress have already said they will not entertain any proposal which allows the Bush tax cuts to expire. These are the people who put the 2011 expiration date in the plan to begin with.

If the Republican party doesn't begin to gather it's shit it will become extinct. All anyone has to do is look at tax rates on this chart to see that when the wealthy do their part the middle class is healthier and the debt is less. Pay particular attention to the rates just before the great depression:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

Here's the great thing, Obama holds all the cards. No legislation passes w/o his signature.


The BUSH tax cuts for > $500,000 need to go. Plus many loophole for super-rich.

The minute every other citizen regardless of income pays the same rate on every dollar earned without exception, exemption, and deduction.. I will agree with you...

Until then all you are showing is that you want someone else to foot the bill for the things you want.... you greedy little fuck

 

[Vel]

I thought the Bush tax cuts automatically expire

What are Republicans offering to save them?

Let them expire. Republicans need to stand back and watch it happen.

Exactly, I hope they let them expire and the left finally gets what they want.

Exactly.. The left says higher taxes are needed to right the ship so they should help pay them.

 

[Newby]

The spokesmen for the Republican congress have already said they will not entertain any proposal which allows the Bush tax cuts to expire. These are the people who put the 2011 expiration date in the plan to begin with.

If the Republican party doesn't begin to gather it's shit it will become extinct. All anyone has to do is look at tax rates on this chart to see that when the wealthy do their part the middle class is healthier and the debt is less. Pay particular attention to the rates just before the great depression:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

Here's the great thing, Obama holds all the cards. No legislation passes w/o his signature.


The BUSH tax cuts for > $500,000 need to go. Plus many loophole for super-rich.

They are the same cards he's been holding for the past two years...

How that changes the math on tax cuts mystifies me. Taxing the rich was a great "election strategy" message. The problem that Barry now faces is that "message" might have gotten him re-elected but that doesn't mean it will work in the real world because it will slow an already anemic economy.

Yep, it's time to call their bluff, that's the only positive thing out of this mess. There are no more excuses for their agenda not being put into play. Let the tax cuts expire.

 

[Claudette]

The problem that Barry now faces is that he's locked into tax increases on the wealthy even though it's a given that it will slow down the economy. That's the reason he didn't do them back in 2009 when he held super majorities...he understood enough about economics to grasp that doing so would result in fewer jobs and a slower economy when it was already abysmal.

But let's be honest...he got his second term...what does he care if the economy goes in the tank again?

Yup. He got that second term and he won't be running again. He could care less what happens with the ecnomy and all these Barry supporters will find out just how much he could care less.

He doesn't have to worry about votes or taxpayers for the rest of his term. He's taken care of for life.

America is going to find out just what a mistake it was voting this fuck in for a second term.