A Handy Source of Fiscal Data, or "How Their Naked Ears Were Tortured By The Horseman's Ruthless Cipherin"

[Toddsterpatriot]

Toddy,

You aren't free to litter this place with assertions. Your refusal to accept isn't my burden.

Either come up with sources or take your whipping curled up in the fetal position.

Like your assertion that Bush's budget request meant anything with a Dem House and Senate? LOL!

I gave you my sources. Your budget number, $3.517 trillion.
Your article where the guy admitted Obama added $140 billion in FY 2009.
The ProPublica bailout link.

You can admit that your original $3.517 trillion number was wrong, but
you just can't' do the math, or at least admit mine was right.

Don't be a stupid coward your whole life. Admit I'm right or go to the sources and
prove my math was wrong.

Or run away, again, crying.

 

[The5thHorseman]

Like your assertion that Bush's budget request meant anything with a Dem House and Senate? LOL!

I gave you my sources. Your budget number, $3.517 trillion.
Your article where the guy admitted Obama added $140 billion in FY 2009.
The ProPublica bailout link.

You can admit that your original $3.517 trillion number was wrong, but
you just can't' do the math, or at least admit mine was right.

Don't be a stupid coward your whole life. Admit I'm right or go to the sources and
prove my math was wrong.

Or run away, again, crying.

Are you on crack, Toddy?

YOU....DO....YOUR...WORK.

I have demonstrated that YOUR math is flawed in numerous ways, as a direct consequence of you being an imbecile.

The Budget request is a FAR more rational place to start, absent you showing the delta between request and appropriations....and you want that assumed.

The problem is that everything you assume isn't worth a pisshole in the snow.

Ask me why.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Are you on crack, Toddy?

YOU....DO....YOUR...WORK.

I have demonstrated that YOUR math is flawed in numerous ways, as a direct consequence of you being an imbecile.

The Budget request is a FAR more rational place to start, absent you showing the delta between request and appropriations....and you want that assumed.

The problem is that everything you assume isn't worth a pisshole in the snow.

Ask me why.

I'm still waiting for you to come up with an honest ending number for Bush.

I did my work. And you whined about it. My math was fine.

You can work it out using ProPublica.
But you'd probably need twice the IQ, so I'm not hopeful.

The Budget request is a FAR more rational place to start,

Budget requests are often said to be "dead on arrival".

Take the actual FY 2009 spending, subtract Obama's $140 billion
and subtract the TARP loans. Build a spreadsheet. You'll see my numbers are fine.

But you'll run away, crying, again.

 

[The5thHorseman]

I'm still waiting for you to come up with an honest ending number for Bush.

I did my work. And you whined about it. My math was fine.

You can work it out using ProPublica.
But you'd probably need twice the IQ, so I'm not hopeful.

The Budget request is a FAR more rational place to start,

Budget requests are often said to be "dead on arrival".

Take the actual FY 2009 spending, subtract Obama's $140 billion
and subtract the TARP loans. Build a spreadsheet. You'll see my numbers are fine.

But you'll run away, crying, again.

I'm still waiting for you to come up with an honest ending number for Bush

No, you aren't.

I have a SOURCED number...you have nothing but Little Toddy in your hand.

I did my work

You did shitty, crude, work leveraged by your abysmal ignorance of fiscal accounting.

My math was fine.

it was "correct", but complete wishful nonsense.

Budget requests are often said to be "dead on arrival

YOU CAN GET THE NUMBERS, TODDY....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No, you aren't.

I have a SOURCED number...you have nothing but Little Toddy in your hand.



You did shitty, crude, work leveraged by your abysmal ignorance of fiscal accounting.



it was "correct", but complete wishful nonsense.




YOU CAN GET THE NUMBERS, TODDY....

I have a SOURCED number.

Which included Obama's spending and the TARP loans.

My shitty, crude work found over $500 billion of short-term outstanding TARP loans being counted in the $3.517 trillion you're using as Bush's end point and Obama's starting point.
Overinflating Bush's number by about 25%. Of course, by using your garbage number as an input, you guarantee you'll have garbage numbers as output.

If you think you can get a more complete number, go for it.
If your accounting wisdom (LOL!) gets a number more than $10 billion higher or lower
than my $572 billion, I'll be shocked.

But you'll just run away from the truth without doing any of your own math, because that's what ignorant leftists do.

 

[The5thHorseman]

I have a SOURCED number.

Which included Obama's spending and the TARP loans.

My shitty, crude work found over $500 billion of short-term outstanding TARP loans being counted in the $3.517 trillion you're using as Bush's end point and Obama's starting point.
Overinflating Bush's number by about 25%. Of course, by using your garbage number as an input, you guarantee you'll have garbage numbers as output.

If you think you can get a more complete number, go for it.
If your accounting wisdom (LOL!) gets a number more than $10 billion higher or lower
than my $572 billion, I'll be shocked.

But you'll just run away from the truth without doing any of your own math, because that's what ignorant leftists do.

My shitty, crude work found over $500 billion of short-term outstanding TARP loans being counted in the $3.517 trillion

Only in your wet dream..

The entire TARP authorization was less than 500 billion, to be paid out over 3 years.

FIND A SOURCED NUMBER.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Only in your wet dream..

The entire TARP authorization was less than 500 billion, to be paid out over 3 years.

FIND A SOURCED NUMBER.

Bailout Tracker

ProPublica is still tracking where every dollar of taxpayer money from the 2008 bailout of the financial system has gone. See for yourself.

projects.propublica.org

Bailout Tracker

ProPublica is still tracking where every dollar of taxpayer money from the 2008 bailout of the financial system has gone. See for yourself.

projects.propublica.org

$633 billion.

Bailout Tracker

ProPublica is still tracking where every dollar of taxpayer money from the 2008 bailout of the financial system has gone. See for yourself.

projects.propublica.org

I used the above timeline. It showed when the recipients got the money and how much.
I subtracted the money that was repaid by September 30th.

Good luck!

 

[The5thHorseman]

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Bailout Tracker

ProPublica is still tracking where every dollar of taxpayer money from the 2008 bailout of the financial system has gone. See for yourself.

projects.propublica.org

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Bailout Tracker

ProPublica is still tracking where every dollar of taxpayer money from the 2008 bailout of the financial system has gone. See for yourself.

projects.propublica.org

$633 billion.

Bailout Tracker

ProPublica is still tracking where every dollar of taxpayer money from the 2008 bailout of the financial system has gone. See for yourself.

projects.propublica.org

I used the above timeline. It showed when the recipients got the money and how much.
I subtracted the money that was repaid by September 30th.

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Good luck!

Just over 400 billion...subtracted from just over 3.5 trillion, leaves 3.1 trillion.

The Story Behind the Largest Deficit in U.S. History.


A 2009 CBO report indicated that $245 billion, about half of the excess spending, was a result of the 2008 TARP bailouts. Spending increases and tax credits resulting from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 accounted for another $200 billion of the budget deficit.

2009 United States federal budget - Wikipedia


Winner, and still Champeen!

3.1 trillion exclusive of iraqnam

 

[The5thHorseman]

Toddsterpatriot

Time for an acknowledgment...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

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Just over 400 billion...subtracted from just over 3.5 trillion, leaves 3.1 trillion.

The Story Behind the Largest Deficit in U.S. History.


A 2009 CBO report indicated that $245 billion, about half of the excess spending, was a result of the 2008 TARP bailouts. Spending increases and tax credits resulting from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 accounted for another $200 billion of the budget deficit.

2009 United States federal budget - Wikipedia


Winner, and still Champeen!

3.1 trillion exclusive of iraqnam

Now subtract the Fannie and Freddie money.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

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Just over 400 billion...subtracted from just over 3.5 trillion, leaves 3.1 trillion.

The Story Behind the Largest Deficit in U.S. History.


A 2009 CBO report indicated that $245 billion, about half of the excess spending, was a result of the 2008 TARP bailouts. Spending increases and tax credits resulting from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 accounted for another $200 billion of the budget deficit.

2009 United States federal budget - Wikipedia


Winner, and still Champeen!

3.1 trillion exclusive of iraqnam

The Bush Administration submitted it to Congress in February 2008, right on schedule, but Congress stated it was dead on arrival.

DURR

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Toddsterpatriot

Time for an acknowledgment...

I acknowledge that slowly but surely, kicking and screaming, you're approaching the truth.

 

[The5thHorseman]

Now subtract the Fannie and Freddie money.

No....it's up there.

 

[The5thHorseman]

The Bush Administration submitted it to Congress in February 2008, right on schedule, but Congress stated it was dead on arrival.

DURR

IT ISN'T A FUCKING NUMBER.

F'n A....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No....it's up there.

It's obvious it isn't.

 

[The5thHorseman]

It's obvious it isn't.

This time you'll do it, or it is a loss.

Add up the mandatory and discretionary parts of the budget.

Post the total.

2009 United States federal budget - Wikipedia

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No....it's up there.

$65.4B + $90.3B + 115B = $270.7B Loaned

$77.8B + $31.3B +$43.3B = $152.4B Loaned

$27.5B + $48.2B + $26.1B = $101.8B Loaned

$68.4B + $0.735B + $0.684B = $69.8B Repaid

$2.79B + $13.2B + 10.2B = $26.2B Loaned

$0.4B + 0.14B + $2.19B = $2.7B Repaid

I show $551.1B Loaned and $72.5B Repaid

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

This time you'll do it, or it is a loss.

Add up the mandatory and discretionary parts of the budget.

Post the total.

2009 United States federal budget - Wikipedia

Mandatory spending: $1.89 trillion (+6.2%)
Discretionary spending: $1.21 trillion (+8.6%)

$3.1 trillion.

 

[The5thHorseman]

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$65.4B + $90.3B + 115B = $270.7B Loaned

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$77.8B + $31.3B +$43.3B = $152.4B Loaned

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$27.5B + $48.2B + $26.1B = $101.8B Loaned

$68.4B + $0.735B + $0.684B = $69.8B Repaid

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$2.79B + $13.2B + 10.2B = $26.2B Loaned

$0.4B + 0.14B + $2.19B = $2.7B Repaid

I show $551.1B Loaned and $72.5B Repaid

Please do what you were asked now.

 

[The5thHorseman]

Mandatory spending: $1.89 trillion (+6.2%)
Discretionary spending: $1.21 trillion (+8.6%)

$3.1 trillion.

So that is ex ESAs and ex TARP and other rescue programs....is that correct?