Something to consider about this social media stuff..

Should social media be trust-busted?

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Sherman Antitrust Act


The last third of the 19th century witnessed the development of business conglomerates or trusts. Many people believed that this new form of business organization stifled competition and led to manipulation of prices. State governments, mostly in the West and South, passed laws to regulate corporate behavior, but the wily trusts simply established themselves in friendly states such as Delaware and New Jersey.

The Sherman Antitrust Act, the first federal antitrust law, authorized federal action against any "combination in the form of trusts or otherwise, or conspiracy, in restraint of trade." In the eyes of many Congressmen, the measure would look good to the public, but be difficult to enforce.

Lack of specificity in the act's wording led the courts to struggle for years before they could agree on the meanings of "trust", "combinations," and "restraint of trade." In the first 10 years of the law's existence, many more actions were brought against unions than big business.

The first meaningful challenge to the Sherman Antitrust Act came in the E.C. Knight case in 1895. The American Sugar Refining Company purchased four independent operations, thereby accomplishing a 98% controlling factor in the nation's output. The Supreme Court ruled that the acquisition of refineries and the business of sugar manufacturing with in a state bore no direct relation to interstate commerce and consequently were not in violation of the act. The decision stimulated the formation of trusts.

Later, in the Addyston Pipe Company Cas, the Supreme Court ruled unanimously in 1899 that six producers of cast-iron pipe were obliged to end an agreement to eliminate competition among themselves. It was ruled that unlike the Knight case, the Addyston Pipe case involved definite agreements to interfere with interstate commerce, limit competition, and fix prices, and thus the Sherman Antitrust Act could be constitutionally applied.

Provisions of the Sherman Antitrust Act

A: Trusts, etc., in restraint of trade illegal; penalty

"Every contract, combination in the form of trust or otherwise, or conspiracy, in restraint of trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, is declared to be illegal. Every person who shall make any contract or engage in any combination or conspiracy hereby declared to be illegal shall be deemed guilty of a felony, and, on conviction thereof, shall be punished by fine not exceeding $10,000,000 if a corporation, or, if any other person, $350,000, or by imprisonment not exceeding three years, or by both said punishments, in the discretion of the court."

B: Monopolizing trade a felony; penalty

"Every person who shall monopolize, or attempt to monopolize, or combine or conspire with any other person or persons, to monopolize any part of the trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, shall be deemed guilty of a felony, and, on conviction thereof, shall be punished by fine not exceeding $10,000,000 if a corporation, or, if any other person, $350,000, or by imprisonment not exceeding three years, or by both said punishments, in the discretion of the court."

C: Trusts in Territories or District of Columbia illegal; combination a felony

"Every contract, combination in form of trust or otherwise, or conspiracy, in restraint of trade or commerce in any Territory of the United States or of the District of Columbia, or in restraint of trade or commerce between any such Territory and another, or between any such Territory or Territories and any State or States or the District of Columbia, or with foreign nations, or between the District of Columbia and any State or States or foreign nations, is declared illegal. Every person who shall make any such contract or engage in any such combination or conspiracy, shall be deemed guilty of a felony, and, on conviction thereof, shall be punished by fine not exceeding $10,000,000 if a corporation, or, if any other person, $350,000, or by imprisonment not exceeding three years, or by both said punishments, in the discretion of the court."

D: Jurisdiction of courts; duty of United States attorneys; procedure

"The several district courts of the United States are invested with jurisdiction to prevent and restrain violations of sections 1 to 7 of this title; and it shall be the duty of the several United States attorneys, in their respective districts, under the direction of the Attorney General, to institute proceedings in equity to prevent and restrain such violations. Such proceedings may be by way of petition setting forth the case and praying that such violation shall be enjoined or otherwise prohibited. When the parties complained of shall have been duly notified of such petition the court shall proceed, as soon as may be, to the hearing and determination of the case; and pending such petition and before final decree, the court may at any time make such temporary restraining order or prohibition as shall be deemed just in the premises."

E: Bringing in additional parties

"Whenever it shall appear to the court before which any proceeding under section 4 of this title may be pending, that the ends of justice require that other parties should be brought before the court, the court may cause them to be summoned, whether they reside in the district in which the court is held or not; and subpoenas to that end may be served in any district by the marshal thereof."

F: Forfeiture of property in transit

"Any property owned under any contract or by any combination, or pursuant to any conspiracy (and being the subject thereof) mentioned in section 1 of this title, and being in the course of transportation from one State to another, or to a foreign country, shall be forfeited to the United States, and may be seized and condemned by like proceedings as those provided by law for the forfeiture, seizure, and condemnation of property imported into the United States contrary to law."

G: Conduct involving trade or commerce with foreign nations

"Sections 1 to 7 of this title shall not apply to conduct involving trade or commerce (other than import trade or import commerce) with foreign nations unless--

1. such conduct has a direct, substantial, and reasonably foreseeable effect--

1. on trade or commerce which is not trade or commerce with foreign nations, or on import trade or import commerce with foreign nations; or

2. on export trade or export commerce with foreign nations, of a person engaged in such trade or commerce in the United States; and

3. such effect gives rise to a claim under the provisions of sections 1 to 7 of this title, other than this section.

If sections 1 to 7 of this title apply to such conduct only because of the operation of paragraph (1) (B), then sections 1 to 7 of this title shall apply to such conduct only for injury to export business in the United States."

H: "Person" or "persons" defined

"The word 'person,' or 'persons,' wherever used in sections 1 to 7 of this title shall be deemed to include corporations and associations existing under or authorized by the laws of either the United States, the laws of any of the Territories, the laws of any State, or the laws of any foreign country.

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https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h760.html

When there's no competition, that's a real problem, and that company needs busted up in the name of capitalism. Do you agree with that, or no?
Teddy Roosevelt surely did. He was the USA's biggest trust-buster of all time.

From my personal view: He was a real cracker, too. He was there, driving cows cows right down to the docks, for real.

He fought in Cuba, too.

He did it. God bless him!
 
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I don't agree with monopolies............competition is the key.............but some companies get their comeupness ........on their own...........as Facebook is finding out.

Competition is a key to healthy capitalism.
 
Facebook and other social media outlets say they are platforms for the free discussion of thought and diversity if so you can't be banning people for posting views and ideas yoiu don't like. Yes there have to be standards and lines you can't cross but you have to apply those standards equally. Remember the 1st Amendment was not created to protect speech that is popular and everyone likes that needs no protection but to protect speech that is not popular and that can make you feel uncomfortable and even piss you off you can't have an honest discussion about anything if you try and silence any voice that says something you don't like.
 
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Facebook and other social media outlets say they are platforms for the free discussion of thought and diversity if so you can't be banning people for posting views and ideas yoiu don't like. Yes there have to be standards and lines you can't cross but you have to apply those standards equally. Remember the 1st Amendment was not created to protect speech that is popular and everyone likes that needs no protection but to protect speech that is not popular and that can make you feel uncomfortable and even piss you off you can't have an honest discussion about anything if you try and silence any voice that says something you don't like.

TL;DR. I bet it was OK.
 
The problem lies with how most Americans express these days express themselves politically and the options available for doing that. People need to feel like they have a publicly heard voice--to feel like even their limited views insignificant in the grand scheme posts online will make some small contribution or difference. Isn't that why we're all here, now, on this message board? For most all Americans having that voice, that participation in the grander discussion, means doing it over social media, or privately owned outlets for their public, nationally heard speech.

If social media becomes or has already the only means of "loudly" expressing free political speech and exchanging ideas, free speech suffers greatly when the depth and width of its freedom is measured and cut by owners of the social media outlets. Indeed some middle, neutral, free speech protected ground must be established, sanctified and guarded.
 
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The problem lies with how most Americans express these days express themselves politically and the options available for doing that. People need to feel like they have a publicly heard voice--to fee like even their limited views insignificant in the grand scheme posts online will make some small contribution or difference. Isn't that why we're all here, now, on this message board? For most all Americans having that voice, that participation in the grander discussion, means doing it over social media, or privately owned outlets for their public, nationally heard speech.

If social media becomes or has already the only means of "loudly" expressing free political speech and exchanging ideas, free speech suffers greatly when the depth and width of its freedom is measured and cut by owners of the social media outlets. Indeed some middle, neutral, free speech protected ground must be established, sanctified and guarded.

Well they're not going to have a publicly heard voice on YouTube, Google, Twitter, or Facebook. That's apparent.
 
The problem lies with how most Americans express these days express themselves politically and the options available for doing that. People need to feel like they have a publicly heard voice--to fee like even their limited views insignificant in the grand scheme posts online will make some small contribution or difference. Isn't that why we're all here, now, on this message board? For most all Americans having that voice, that participation in the grander discussion, means doing it over social media, or privately owned outlets for their public, nationally heard speech.

If social media becomes or has already the only means of "loudly" expressing free political speech and exchanging ideas, free speech suffers greatly when the depth and width of its freedom is measured and cut by owners of the social media outlets. Indeed some middle, neutral, free speech protected ground must be established, sanctified and guarded.

Well they're not going to have a publicly heard voice on YouTube, Google, Twitter, or Facebook. That's apparent.

It's funny, ha ha, I've been exclusively using Duck Duck Go lately--as if it makes a difference. Been times when I have typed a question into Google many times, only to have the question reworded with a left leaning slant.
 
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The problem lies with how most Americans express these days express themselves politically and the options available for doing that. People need to feel like they have a publicly heard voice--to fee like even their limited views insignificant in the grand scheme posts online will make some small contribution or difference. Isn't that why we're all here, now, on this message board? For most all Americans having that voice, that participation in the grander discussion, means doing it over social media, or privately owned outlets for their public, nationally heard speech.

If social media becomes or has already the only means of "loudly" expressing free political speech and exchanging ideas, free speech suffers greatly when the depth and width of its freedom is measured and cut by owners of the social media outlets. Indeed some middle, neutral, free speech protected ground must be established, sanctified and guarded.

Well they're not going to have a publicly heard voice on YouTube, Google, Twitter, or Facebook. That's apparent.

It's funny, ha ha, I've been exclusively using Duck Duck Go lately--as if it makes a difference. Been times when I have typed a question into Google many times, only to have question reworded with a left leaning slant.

They changed the algorithm a few years back.

Google peaked around 2009-2011.
 
Sherman Antitrust Act

I see the problems with monopolies and have done some bitching about what I felt was certain large Corps... I just have a problem with the Government herding, hogtying or corralling any business... Government is supposed to provide infrastructure, security and treasury... If I don't like the way a business is dealing I will go somewhere else or do without...
 
I'm not at all tech savvy, so I'm wondering what it would take for a competitor to be able to get into the market? We certainly got a lot of competition after the government broke up Bell Telephone, however, I don't see social media as being reliant on physical infrastructure as Bell was. What is the reason that we don't have a counter to FaceBook?
 
The leftists that run these things will screw up the internet within 2 weeks. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
 
The situation is weird because these platforms play such a crucial role in politics. Anybody that's not a left wing partisan hack can clearly see that censoring right wing content on social media is absolute bullshit.
 
The problem lies with how most Americans express these days express themselves politically and the options available for doing that. People need to feel like they have a publicly heard voice--to fee like even their limited views insignificant in the grand scheme posts online will make some small contribution or difference. Isn't that why we're all here, now, on this message board? For most all Americans having that voice, that participation in the grander discussion, means doing it over social media, or privately owned outlets for their public, nationally heard speech.

If social media becomes or has already the only means of "loudly" expressing free political speech and exchanging ideas, free speech suffers greatly when the depth and width of its freedom is measured and cut by owners of the social media outlets. Indeed some middle, neutral, free speech protected ground must be established, sanctified and guarded.

Well they're not going to have a publicly heard voice on YouTube, Google, Twitter, or Facebook. That's apparent.

This is the kind of slime you NaziCons are defending.

Alex Jones’ Lawyer Seeks To Make Sandy Hook Parents’ Home Addresses Public
 
wasn't there MySpace before facebook took off??? I dunno? I don't use facebook or any social media like twitter etc.... my life is just fine, without them.... :D

Did FACEBOOK do anything illegal as stated under the law to keep competition from forming?

Do you pay for your facebook account, like you did with AT&T?

No, right?

Competition is to keep prices down for the PAYING consumer, right?

I'm just not certain they actually fit the criteria?
 
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The problem lies with how most Americans express these days express themselves politically and the options available for doing that. People need to feel like they have a publicly heard voice--to fee like even their limited views insignificant in the grand scheme posts online will make some small contribution or difference. Isn't that why we're all here, now, on this message board? For most all Americans having that voice, that participation in the grander discussion, means doing it over social media, or privately owned outlets for their public, nationally heard speech.

If social media becomes or has already the only means of "loudly" expressing free political speech and exchanging ideas, free speech suffers greatly when the depth and width of its freedom is measured and cut by owners of the social media outlets. Indeed some middle, neutral, free speech protected ground must be established, sanctified and guarded.

Well they're not going to have a publicly heard voice on YouTube, Google, Twitter, or Facebook. That's apparent.

This is the kind of slime you NaziCons are defending.

Alex Jones’ Lawyer Seeks To Make Sandy Hook Parents’ Home Addresses Public
No, we are defending our country against garbage such as you.
 
wasn't there MySpace before facebook took off??? I dunno? I don't use facebook or any social media like twitter etc.... my life is just fine, without them.... :D

Did FACEBOOK do anything illegal as stated under the law to keep competition from forming?

Do you pay for your facebook account, like you did with AT&T?

No, right?

Competition it to keep prices down for the PAYING consumer, right?

I'm just not certain they actually fit the criteria?

I don't disagree with you, but I am certain they will hit the "fuck up the internet after 30 years" goal.
 
The problem lies with how most Americans express these days express themselves politically and the options available for doing that. People need to feel like they have a publicly heard voice--to fee like even their limited views insignificant in the grand scheme posts online will make some small contribution or difference. Isn't that why we're all here, now, on this message board? For most all Americans having that voice, that participation in the grander discussion, means doing it over social media, or privately owned outlets for their public, nationally heard speech.

If social media becomes or has already the only means of "loudly" expressing free political speech and exchanging ideas, free speech suffers greatly when the depth and width of its freedom is measured and cut by owners of the social media outlets. Indeed some middle, neutral, free speech protected ground must be established, sanctified and guarded.

Well they're not going to have a publicly heard voice on YouTube, Google, Twitter, or Facebook. That's apparent.

Wrong on Twitter. They seem okay with conspiracy theorists and Nazis like Alex Jones.

Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey raised eyebrows by choosing Sean Hannity to interview him about his decision not to ban the accounts of Infowars’ Alex Jones.

Twitter CEO Gives Interview To Conspiracy Theorist About Refusing To Ban Conspiracy Theorists
 
wasn't there MySpace before facebook took off??? I dunno? I don't use facebook or any social media like twitter etc.... my life is just fine, without them.... :D

Did FACEBOOK do anything illegal as stated under the law to keep competition from forming?

Do you pay for your facebook account, like you did with AT&T?

No, right?

Competition it to keep prices down for the PAYING consumer, right?

I'm just not certain they actually fit the criteria?

I don't disagree with you, but I am certain they will hit the "fuck up the internet after 30 years" goal.

We probably should not bend over backwards to find a way to force this company who is breaking no laws, to do as you all say, by trying to use the government in a convoluted way to do such...imo.?

Ridge... has it right imo, sunshine is the best disinfectant....

Facebook has liability concerns as well, you would think....?

As example, Alex is being sued by the parents of some who died at Sandy Hook.... can facebook be drawn in to those lawsuits because facebook allowed Alex Jones to use facebook's platform to promote the garbage conspiracy?
 

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