Solving "Education"

[TheOldSchool]

At least in America you're allowed to use Google

Well, can't imagine what America would be without Google.

At least in America I can join a shitty internet forum

 

[AmazonTania]

At least in America I can join a shitty internet forum

I'd kinda be grateful if the Chinese are keeping me from this...

 

[TheOldSchool]

At least in America I can join a shitty internet forum

I'd kinda be grateful if the Chinese are keeping me from this...

Well they would be... so maybe you can be grateful to them from afar.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's take your idea a step further PC. Shoot the underperforming kids and make the best teachers suuuuper expensive and exclusive. That way we can thin out the herd

So...you're perfectly copacetic with the non-learning, poor-behavior producing 'school' system.

Sorry to have interrupted your pork-rind fest.

You can go back to the 24-hour cartoon network.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Right wingers see children as "problems" to be solved. And they are so good at everything else they do. Iraq. The economy. Science. Elections.

You misunderstand, deanie....

I just want to reform the school system before they produce any more like you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

At least in America you're allowed to use Google

Well, can't imagine what America would be without Google.

At least in America I can join a shitty internet forum

That would be an example of sweets-to-the-sweet.

 

[diksha]

Higher education is very important in today's time.Lots of India students want to go abroad for higher studies as they think that they can get very reputed job after completing their studies for any foreign university.But there are also very high quality colleges available in India for different courses.There are so much Technical,Management,Medical colleges in India which are famous in all over the world for their high quality studies.

 

[editec]

. Senior teachers in NYC earn upwards of $100k. Class size, about 30. So...About $3,500/per student.

Perhaps that is true for "senior" elementary school teachers. However I have never met a teacher making $100K a year.


HS teachers typically carry 5 classes of students.

It was not uncommon for me to have over 100 students.

And the most I ever made a teacher was a FRACTION of $100K a year...less than half that amount actually.

 

[Bfgrn]

 

[PoliticalChic]

. Senior teachers in NYC earn upwards of $100k. Class size, about 30. So...About $3,500/per student.

Perhaps that is true for "senior" elementary school teachers. However I have never met a teacher making $100K a year.


HS teachers typically carry 5 classes of students.

It was not uncommon for me to have over 100 students.

And the most I ever made a teacher was a FRACTION of $100K a year...less than half that amount actually.

So...your post is basically, 'I wish I had been one of those teachers in NYC,' ...eh?

Yes....I bet lots of folks would.

More?
A number of them have told me that many retiring now....called 'Tier One' teachers, get far more in retirement than the $100k they were earning.
And they don't brag about it....they're as amazed as you and I are.

I checked....it is absolutely true.

 

[editec]

. Senior teachers in NYC earn upwards of $100k. Class size, about 30. So...About $3,500/per student.

Perhaps that is true for "senior" elementary school teachers. However I have never met a teacher making $100K a year.


HS teachers typically carry 5 classes of students.

It was not uncommon for me to have over 100 students.

And the most I ever made a teacher was a FRACTION of $100K a year...less than half that amount actually.

So...your post is basically, 'I wish I had been one of those teachers in NYC,' ...eh?

Not, really amigo.

My post was addressing deficiencies found in the original proposal to "fix" education.

It had obvious mistaken notions about class sizes being 30 students and it wildly inflated the amount of pay MOST teachers get, too

I knew a NYC teacher who worked for that system for over 30 years teaching math. He did not make $100K a year, lad, he carried 5 classes amounting to over 150 students.

He made an okay living, but do remember that also was after 30 years in service.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Perhaps that is true for "senior" elementary school teachers. However I have never met a teacher making $100K a year.


HS teachers typically carry 5 classes of students.

It was not uncommon for me to have over 100 students.

And the most I ever made a teacher was a FRACTION of $100K a year...less than half that amount actually.

So...your post is basically, 'I wish I had been one of those teachers in NYC,' ...eh?

Not, really amigo.

My post was addressing deficiencies found in the original proposal to "fix" education.

It had obvious mistaken notions about class sizes being 30 students and it wildly inflated the amount of pay MOST teachers get, too

I knew a NYC teacher who worked for that system for over 30 years teaching math. He did not make $100K a year, lad, he carried 5 classes amounting to over 150 students.

He made an okay living, but do remember that also was after 30 years in service.

"My post was addressing deficiencies found in the original proposal to "fix" education.

It had obvious mistaken notions about class sizes being 30 students and it wildly inflated the amount of pay MOST teachers get, too"

I'm surprised that you don't read more carefully.

Nowhere does it say that most teachers get that amount.


And, the amount in question is merely a mathematical artifact of the proposal.

You may adjust it for locale and still use the proposal.

The point is that capitalism is the answer, not socialism....or Marxism. The current system pays based on seniority, not efficacy.
My idea is to allow teacher a free hand, thereby removing excuses, and judging by the product.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Interesting that you post the above....

I was just mulling over and OP on Scandinavia, religion, and the welfare state.

I heard a lecture by Mary Eberstadt, scholar, who posited that secularism is on the rise due to family breakdown.

"Sweden has more solo dwellers than anywhere else in the world, with 47% of households having one resident; followed by Norway at 40%. In Scandinavian countries their welfare states protect most citizens from the more difficult aspects of living alone. In Japan, where social life has historically been organised around the family, about 30% of all households have a single dweller, and the rate is far higher in urban areas. The Netherlands and Germany share a greater proportion of one-person households than the UK. And the nations with the fastest growth in one-person households? China, India and Brazil."
I want to be alone: the rise and rise of solo living | Life and style | The Guardian



Wadda ya' think?
Begin my research?

I'm only interested in doing it if we're gonna fight about it.....

 

[Granny]

Better education IS a problem. Paying teachers more isn't necessarily the answer. I would suggest getting rid of the teachers unions - of course, I'm of a get rid of unions mindset to begin with.

Getting government out of education would be another answer. Inequality in education is certainly undeniable but I'm not sure that Brown v. Board of Education was a good solution so much as a good intention. It was supposed to give blacks an education equal to that of whites and the reverse has happened. Over the decades since the late '50s, early 60s, many "fixes" have been tried but have been miserable failures. Quality education has gone steadily down the tubes for everyone.

One thing that really pisses me off is this idea that kids are ENTITLED to a college education. No, they are not. College is something that is to be aspired to, to work for. And those who work their asses off, regardless of race, should be the ones who go to college. Slackers should not be admitted to the disadvantage of the ones who really worked for the opportunity. When one has to take remedial reading in college there's something wrong with the system. I've had to work with some of these "college educated" people and just have to wonder how that happened.

Regardless of theories to the contrary ... there ARE winners and losers in this world and the sooner we stop this practice of everybody being winners so nobody gets their feelings hurt, the sooner we'll be better off as a people and a country.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Better education IS a problem. Paying teachers more isn't necessarily the answer. I would suggest getting rid of the teachers unions - of course, I'm of a get rid of unions mindset to begin with.

Getting government out of education would be another answer. Inequality in education is certainly undeniable but I'm not sure that Brown v. Board of Education was a good solution so much as a good intention. It was supposed to give blacks an education equal to that of whites and the reverse has happened. Over the decades since the late '50s, early 60s, many "fixes" have been tried but have been miserable failures. Quality education has gone steadily down the tubes for everyone.

One thing that really pisses me off is this idea that kids are ENTITLED to a college education. No, they are not. College is something that is to be aspired to, to work for. And those who work their asses off, regardless of race, should be the ones who go to college. Slackers should not be admitted to the disadvantage of the ones who really worked for the opportunity. When one has to take remedial reading in college there's something wrong with the system. I've had to work with some of these "college educated" people and just have to wonder how that happened.

Regardless of theories to the contrary ... there ARE winners and losers in this world and the sooner we stop this practice of everybody being winners so nobody gets their feelings hurt, the sooner we'll be better off as a people and a country.

Gee.....I wish I could find something to argue with in this post.....

 

[Bfgrn]

Interesting that you post the above....

I was just mulling over and OP on Scandinavia, religion, and the welfare state.

I heard a lecture by Mary Eberstadt, scholar, who posited that secularism is on the rise due to family breakdown.

"Sweden has more solo dwellers than anywhere else in the world, with 47% of households having one resident; followed by Norway at 40%. In Scandinavian countries their welfare states protect most citizens from the more difficult aspects of living alone. In Japan, where social life has historically been organised around the family, about 30% of all households have a single dweller, and the rate is far higher in urban areas. The Netherlands and Germany share a greater proportion of one-person households than the UK. And the nations with the fastest growth in one-person households? China, India and Brazil."
I want to be alone: the rise and rise of solo living | Life and style | The Guardian



Wadda ya' think?
Begin my research?

I'm only interested in doing it if we're gonna fight about it.....

What do I think? I find it ironic to hear conservatives try to take credit for a collective social unit like the family, and extol the beliefs of 'I want to be alone' Ayn Rand, secular atheist Nietzsche protege...

I find it ironic your solution to education is for teachers to abort students.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Interesting that you post the above....

I was just mulling over and OP on Scandinavia, religion, and the welfare state.

I heard a lecture by Mary Eberstadt, scholar, who posited that secularism is on the rise due to family breakdown.

"Sweden has more solo dwellers than anywhere else in the world, with 47% of households having one resident; followed by Norway at 40%. In Scandinavian countries their welfare states protect most citizens from the more difficult aspects of living alone. In Japan, where social life has historically been organised around the family, about 30% of all households have a single dweller, and the rate is far higher in urban areas. The Netherlands and Germany share a greater proportion of one-person households than the UK. And the nations with the fastest growth in one-person households? China, India and Brazil."
I want to be alone: the rise and rise of solo living | Life and style | The Guardian



Wadda ya' think?
Begin my research?

I'm only interested in doing it if we're gonna fight about it.....

What do I think? I find it ironic to hear conservatives try to take credit for a collective social unit like the family, and extol the beliefs of 'I want to be alone' Ayn Rand, secular atheist Nietzsche protege...

I find it ironic your solution to education is for teachers to abort students.

You don't know that the family is a conservative, i.e., traditional concept???
Really?

You deny that the collective is the 'family' of the Left?

You make this far too easy.

Here's your first whipping:
"True to the collectivist doctrines, family feeling and other human connections were sternly discouraged, as were displays of affection, compassion and kindness. A man who attempted to keep his wounded son by his side was chastised “You have individualist tendencies. You must shed these illusions.”
Courtois, "The Black Book of Communism", p. 605.




Since you seem resistant to the idea.....

....I'll get right on it.

 

[boedicca]

Let's take your idea a step further PC. Shoot the underperforming kids and make the best teachers suuuuper expensive and exclusive. That way we can thin out the herd

Typical stupid progressive strawman maneuver.

 

[Bfgrn]

Interesting that you post the above....

I was just mulling over and OP on Scandinavia, religion, and the welfare state.

I heard a lecture by Mary Eberstadt, scholar, who posited that secularism is on the rise due to family breakdown.

"Sweden has more solo dwellers than anywhere else in the world, with 47% of households having one resident; followed by Norway at 40%. In Scandinavian countries their welfare states protect most citizens from the more difficult aspects of living alone. In Japan, where social life has historically been organised around the family, about 30% of all households have a single dweller, and the rate is far higher in urban areas. The Netherlands and Germany share a greater proportion of one-person households than the UK. And the nations with the fastest growth in one-person households? China, India and Brazil."
I want to be alone: the rise and rise of solo living | Life and style | The Guardian



Wadda ya' think?
Begin my research?

I'm only interested in doing it if we're gonna fight about it.....

What do I think? I find it ironic to hear conservatives try to take credit for a collective social unit like the family, and extol the beliefs of 'I want to be alone' Ayn Rand, secular atheist Nietzsche protege...

I find it ironic your solution to education is for teachers to abort students.

You don't know that the family is a conservative, i.e., traditional concept???
Really?

You deny that the collective is the 'family' of the Left?

You make this far too easy.

Here's your first whipping:
"True to the collectivist doctrines, family feeling and other human connections were sternly discouraged, as were displays of affection, compassion and kindness. A man who attempted to keep his wounded son by his side was chastised “You have individualist tendencies. You must shed these illusions.”
Courtois, "The Black Book of Communism", p. 605.




Since you seem resistant to the idea.....

....I'll get right on it.

So you finally admit communism is a conservative belief. There are 2 distinct approaches to parenting, family structure and raising a family.

We have already determined your authoritarianism comes from your very strict authoritarian upbringing.

Conservatives strongly believe in the strict father, authoritarian model. There is no displays of affection, compassion and kindness here. It makes children weak.

The conservative worldview, the "strict father" model, assumes that the world is dangerous and difficult and that children are born bad and must be made good. The strict father is the moral authority who supports and defends the family, tells his wife what to do, and teaches his kids right from wrong. The only way to do that is through painful discipline - physical punishment that by adulthood will become internal discipline. The good people are the disciplined people. Once grown, the self-reliant, disciplined children are on their own. Those children who remain dependent (who were spoiled, overly willful, or recalcitrant) should be forced to undergo further discipline or be cut free with no support to face the discipline of the outside world.

Liberals strongly believe in the "nurturant parent" model. Briefly, it assumes that the world is basically good and can be made better and that one must work toward that. Children are born good; parents can make them better. Nurturing involves empathy, and the responsibility to take care of oneself and others for whom we are responsible. On a larger scale, specific policies follow, such as governmental protection in form of a social safety net and government regulation, universal education (to ensure competence, fairness), civil liberties and equal treatment (fairness and freedom), accountability (derived from trust), public service (from responsibility), open government (from open communication), and the promotion of an economy that benefits all and functions to promote these values, which are traditional progressive values in American politics.

 

[boedicca]

A family is not communism, bub.