Soldier discharged after trying to stop Muslim crime, er, I mean tradition

[JoeB131]

It's quite a bit different then when the British ended Suttee in India, isn't it?

Quite right.

But ask Indian people what they think about the British today and you aren't going to get a lot of positive responses.

 

[JoeB131]

Our government punished the soldier for standing up for that young boy's rights.

No, our government punished the soldier for assaulting a foreign national.

Frankly, I'd be for letting him off with maybe an article 15 and a minor punishment such as a reduction in rank.

Oh, reading from a non-crazy source, SFC Markland is not being discharged for this incident. His punishment for this incident in 2011 WAS a reprimand from his superior, a Brigadier General. He is being discharged now because having a negative thing on his record means he is not being retained in a general downsizing of the military that is ongoing.

Green Beret Who Beat Afghan Man Over Child's Rape Faces Army Discharge | Military.com

 

[JoeB131]

But it's our government that punished him. The same government that went out of it's way to free some terrorists and demand that others be sent to the US to ensure they were given the rights of American citizens. The left has often said that those rights should be extended to everyone whether they are on our soil or not. Apparently, that sentiment only holds true when it's radial Muslims and not our own military.

No, he was punished by his COMMANDING OFFICER, who felt that his actions of beating a prominent local leader within an inch of his life had a negative effect on the mission they were trying to accomplish, which was to build an effective local police force.

Four years later, he is not being retained over other E-7's who didn't get reprimands. He did get in enough years for retirement and he is not being dishonorably discharged.

But, but, but... somehow this is Obama's fault.

 

[frigidweirdo]

you're saying that US soldiers in other countries shouldn't respect the laws of the land in those countries, but immigrants in the US should respect US laws?

They are illegal aliens, not immigrants, which means they aren't respecting our laws.

So..... what? How many people actually never break a law?

 

[Katzndogz]

It's quite a bit different then when the British ended Suttee in India, isn't it?

Quite right.

But ask Indian people what they think about the British today and you aren't going to get a lot of positive responses.

India still follows the common law of England just like we do.

 

[Care4all]

These guys endangered an entire mission, they are NOT good military people...they may be right in their assumptions and presumptions of this man's guilt, by believing what someone TOLD them, but they are not judge, jury, and executioners....they represent the Military of our Nation, the USA,


and vigilantism IS AGAINST THE LAW.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Yes..............no matter how much you may not like it, as a member of the Armed Forces, you are required to follow the rules and laws of the country you're in, because in that country, the military are the foreigners.

And...........although I don't agree with the practice, and I might have done the same thing, under the UCMJ, I cannot take the law into my own hands and start being a vigilante.

Unfortunately, under the SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement) negotiated by Jr., we are not allowed to enforce US laws in that country, or even on base.

But...............I don't expect civilians to understand things like SOFA and the UCMJ.

If the practice is illegal in the host country, why should the US military put up with it because it's a tradition.

Hate to tell you, but it's not illegal over there, because if it was, all the soldier would have had to do is report it to the authorities.

And..............the reason that the US military has to "put up with it" as you said, is because the US military IS NOT IN THE UNITED STATES, and therefore has to follow the rules of the host country.

 

[Mr Natural]

We can invade their countries and kill them but don't dare fuck wth their traditions.

 

[waltky]

Should he stay or should he go?...

Decision Looms for Green Beret Who Protected Afghan Boy
Feb 19, 2016 | A decorated Army sergeant who protected an Afghan boy from a child molester could find out any day whether his actions will end his career in the military.

Sgt. 1st Class Charles Martland, a Green Beret with an 11-year Special Forces career, was stationed in Afghanistan in 2011 when the boy's mother came to him and said she'd been beaten and her son raped by a local police commander. Martland and another soldier summoned the police official and, when the man laughed at them, threw him off the base. Martland and Daniel Quinn were both disciplined for their actions. Last year, amid military cuts, the Army Human Resources Command recommended Martland be discharged in part based on his disciplinary record, but an official decision by U.S. Army brass is expected by March 1. "Charles did the right thing in Afghanistan by standing up to a child rapist and corrupt commander, and now it's the Army's turn to do the right thing and reverse the decision to expel him from the service," said Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-California, whose office has been assisting Martland. "Permitting Charles to continue serving is in the best interest of the Army and the nation."

Supporters mounted an online petition backing Martland and separately, 93 members of Congress have called for an investigation into the military's silence in the face of rampant sexual abuse of children in Afghanistan. While Quinn left the military voluntarily, Martland, who graduated in 2006 from Special Forces Qualification Course, has always seen himself as a lifer. After a deployment to Iraq in 2008, he deployed to Afghanistan in January 2010 as part of a 12-man unit. He and his team found themselves fighting large numbers of Taliban militants in the volatile Kunduz Province. Martland was awarded a Bronze Star with Valor for his actions. According to one evaluation, he also was praised by Gen. David Petraeus, then commander of U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan.

Sgt. 1st Class Charles Martland​

The 2011 incident occurred at the remote outpost where Martland was stationed. The 12-year-old boy and his mother showed up at camp, and the boy showed the Green Berets where his hands had been tied. A medic took him to a back room for an examination with an interpreter, who told them the boy had been raped by a man identified as Afghani Police commander Abdul Rahman. Rahman allegedly beat the boy's mother for reporting the crime after learning that they went to the Army outpost. This led Martland and team leader Daniel Quinn to confront Rahman. According to reports of the incident, Rahman confessed to the crime and laughed it off. This led Martland and Quinn to shove the smug police official to the ground. Rahman reported the incident to another Army unit in a nearby village, which led to Quinn and Martland being pulled from their assignments.

One year ago, the Army conducted a "Qualitative Management Program" review board and called for Martland -- among thousands of other soldiers with prior disciplinary issues -- to be "involuntary discharged" by Nov. 1, 2015. Martland appealed the decision and a final ruling on his discharge has been delayed until now. With the deadline rapidly approaching, other legal advocates have come to his aid, and even garnered over 300,000 signatures in a petition calling for the decision to be overturned. "After acting to protect a child from sexual assault from an Afghan commander, SFC Martland was punished and could be kicked out of the military at any time," said Jay Sekulow, of the American Center for Law and Justice. "What's equally disturbing are reports that the military has allowed Afghanistan forces to sexually abuse young children on U.S. bases."

Decision Looms for Green Beret Who Protected Afghan Boy | Military.com

 

[Clementine]

Should he stay or should he go?...

Decision Looms for Green Beret Who Protected Afghan Boy
Feb 19, 2016 | A decorated Army sergeant who protected an Afghan boy from a child molester could find out any day whether his actions will end his career in the military.

Sgt. 1st Class Charles Martland, a Green Beret with an 11-year Special Forces career, was stationed in Afghanistan in 2011 when the boy's mother came to him and said she'd been beaten and her son raped by a local police commander. Martland and another soldier summoned the police official and, when the man laughed at them, threw him off the base. Martland and Daniel Quinn were both disciplined for their actions. Last year, amid military cuts, the Army Human Resources Command recommended Martland be discharged in part based on his disciplinary record, but an official decision by U.S. Army brass is expected by March 1. "Charles did the right thing in Afghanistan by standing up to a child rapist and corrupt commander, and now it's the Army's turn to do the right thing and reverse the decision to expel him from the service," said Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-California, whose office has been assisting Martland. "Permitting Charles to continue serving is in the best interest of the Army and the nation."

Supporters mounted an online petition backing Martland and separately, 93 members of Congress have called for an investigation into the military's silence in the face of rampant sexual abuse of children in Afghanistan. While Quinn left the military voluntarily, Martland, who graduated in 2006 from Special Forces Qualification Course, has always seen himself as a lifer. After a deployment to Iraq in 2008, he deployed to Afghanistan in January 2010 as part of a 12-man unit. He and his team found themselves fighting large numbers of Taliban militants in the volatile Kunduz Province. Martland was awarded a Bronze Star with Valor for his actions. According to one evaluation, he also was praised by Gen. David Petraeus, then commander of U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan.

Sgt. 1st Class Charles Martland​

The 2011 incident occurred at the remote outpost where Martland was stationed. The 12-year-old boy and his mother showed up at camp, and the boy showed the Green Berets where his hands had been tied. A medic took him to a back room for an examination with an interpreter, who told them the boy had been raped by a man identified as Afghani Police commander Abdul Rahman. Rahman allegedly beat the boy's mother for reporting the crime after learning that they went to the Army outpost. This led Martland and team leader Daniel Quinn to confront Rahman. According to reports of the incident, Rahman confessed to the crime and laughed it off. This led Martland and Quinn to shove the smug police official to the ground. Rahman reported the incident to another Army unit in a nearby village, which led to Quinn and Martland being pulled from their assignments.

One year ago, the Army conducted a "Qualitative Management Program" review board and called for Martland -- among thousands of other soldiers with prior disciplinary issues -- to be "involuntary discharged" by Nov. 1, 2015. Martland appealed the decision and a final ruling on his discharge has been delayed until now. With the deadline rapidly approaching, other legal advocates have come to his aid, and even garnered over 300,000 signatures in a petition calling for the decision to be overturned. "After acting to protect a child from sexual assault from an Afghan commander, SFC Martland was punished and could be kicked out of the military at any time," said Jay Sekulow, of the American Center for Law and Justice. "What's equally disturbing are reports that the military has allowed Afghanistan forces to sexually abuse young children on U.S. bases."

Decision Looms for Green Beret Who Protected Afghan Boy | Military.com

He never should have been in trouble in the first place. Since it's apparently our government's policy to ignore any violence committed by Muslims, we should just transfer people who can't stomach seeing a young child get raped. I can't imagine what kind of person would have done nothing. Perhaps we should only send liberal soldiers to places like Afghanistan since they are okay with turning a blind eye to this sort of thing. Muslims need politically correct sympathizers.

 

[theHawk]

For the record, our military cannot use enhanced interrogation on vile terrorists or the liberals will go insane, but they are expected to look the other way when Muslims rape young boys because that is just part of their culture. Where are the liberals on this one? The left thought that the GITMO terrorists should be sent to the U.S. to ensure they could have all the rights of American citizens, yet our own military members are subjected to whatever fucked up laws exist in the radical countries. And our government sides with them. Considering it's also part of the "culture" of the radicals to commit mass murders, behead non-Muslims, gays and women who fail to obey, I would think something as tame as waterboarding would be laughable. Funny how libs bitch about that to this day, yet turn a blind eye to much more horrible atrocities.

What is worse, being waterboarded, which caused no serious injury, or a young boy being raped by grown men? Our troops are told to respect the culture of foreign lands, which is usually reasonable, but it's crazy that they must tolerate the brutal treatment of people. On the other hand, Obama has told immigrants they don't have to assimilate here and we are supposed to respect other people's practices when they come here. So, we always put Muslims first, whether here or abroad. Just peachy. I guess it would be asking too much to expect immigrants, legal and illegal, to show some tolerance and respect for our laws and customs.

It's insane that these soldiers were charged for trying to save an innocent child from being raped, yet the liberals don't show concern when an illegal alien rapes or murders a citizen. When illegal immigrants come here, they get away with a lot and usually run to sanctuary cities for cover. Radical Muslims who try to have their own sharia courts or continue to deny rights to their women just run to CAIR whining because they don't care about our laws or customs and just want to have things the way they had them in their home country.

The soldiers learn the hard way that certain things are perfectly acceptable in some Muslim countries, like stoning women to death, murdering gays and Christians and raping young boys and girls. And any objection or action to stop it will result in being discharged from the US military. It's bad enough that some fucked up countries tolerate this, but it makes no sense for our own troops to be punished by our own government. I would think it's totally understandable to react the way this soldier did when confronted with a complete sleazebag pedophile.

"A California congressman is demanding that the Army overturn the punishment handed down to two Special Forces soldiers that stood up to an Afghan commander who kept a young boy as a "sex slave."

Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Alpine), a former Marine officer who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, is upset about the treatment of Sgt. 1st Class Charles Martland and Capt. Danny Quinn after they confronted an Afghan police commander about his abuse of a young boy.

Rep. Hunter wrote letters to Defense Secretary Ashton Carter and the Inspector General of the Department of Defense, Jon Rymer, stating that Martland admitted to hitting the commander after learning he had been sexually abusing an 11-year-old boy.

According to Hunter, Martland admitted that his conduct was wrong.

After 11 years of service, Martland is being forced out of the Army, effective November 1. Quinn lost his command and has since resigned.

"To intervene was a moral decision," Hunter wrote Carter, "and Martland and his Special Forces team felt they had no choice but to respond.""

http://popularmilitary.com/congressman-protests-punishment-of-soldiers-who-confronted-alleged-child-rapist/

This is exactly the kind of thing Trump is referring to when he says our government is run by idiots.

 

[JoeB131]

He never should have been in trouble in the first place. Since it's apparently our government's policy to ignore any violence committed by Muslims, we should just transfer people who can't stomach seeing a young child get raped. I can't imagine what kind of person would have done nothing. Perhaps we should only send liberal soldiers to places like Afghanistan since they are okay with turning a blind eye to this sort of thing. Muslims need politically correct sympathizers.

So you are saying the Brigadier General who disciplined this Sergeant was a "politically correct liberal"?

Or maybe he realized that if this Afghan commander decided to switch sides because the Americans humiliated him, that would probably be bad for operations in the area.

Not to worry, Staph, I'm sure you are going to tell us that it's Obama's fault, somehow.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Is everyone else as unsurprised as I am to see JoeB131 taking the side of a child rapist and those who protected him, over that of the hero who tried to protect an innocent child from him?

 

[JoeB131]

Is everyone else as unsurprised as I am to see JoeB131 taking the side of a child rapist and those who protected him, over that of the hero who tried to protect an innocent child from him?

No, I'm not the least bit surprised you can't comprehend simple English or understand military regulations and policies.

this soldier assaulted a foreign citizen in violation of the UCMJ. His superior officer reviewed the case and took disciplinary action under the UCMJ. As a result, this guy will not be retained in the upcoming force reduction. Probably because there are E-7's who have better records.

We aren't there to change Afghan "culture", we are there to defeat the Taliban. How did this "hero" beating up a local leader help us beat the Taliban?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

this soldier assaulted a foreign citizen in violation of the UCMJ.

Yes, we know.

He did so to stop that “foreign citizen” from sexually abusing an innocent child.

It's clear enough which of the two offenses you consider serious, and which one you apparently have no problem with. And that is why sane people who have any sense of ethics will always find scumbags like you so repugnant.

 

[Clementine]

So you are saying the Brigadier General who disciplined this Sergeant was a "politically correct liberal"?

Or maybe he realized that if this Afghan commander decided to switch sides because the Americans humiliated him, that would probably be bad for operations in the area.

Not to worry, Staph, I'm sure you are going to tell us that it's Obama's fault, somehow.

The General is obligated to follow orders from above. We know that Obama likes to micromanage things. I haven't heard Obama come out and say that this was wrong.

And we know damn well he has no issue taking sides with anything he agrees with or bashing anyone he disagrees with. I guess that boy couldn't have been his son.


The guy shouldn't have been in trouble and wouldn't be if the Obama administration didn't want him punished. Obama can release GITMO terrorists and watch them go right back to terrorist activities and say it's right, yet can stand by as a good man has his career ruined for caring about a young boy. In both cases, radical Muslims are favored. Wrong!!

 

[jasonnfree]

Is everyone else as unsurprised as I am to see JoeB131 taking the side of a child rapist and those who protected him, over that of the hero who tried to protect an innocent child from him?

No, I'm not the least bit surprised you can't comprehend simple English or understand military regulations and policies.

this soldier assaulted a foreign citizen in violation of the UCMJ. His superior officer reviewed the case and took disciplinary action under the UCMJ. As a result, this guy will not be retained in the upcoming force reduction. Probably because there are E-7's who have better records.

We aren't there to change Afghan "culture", we are there to defeat the Taliban. How did this "hero" beating up a local leader help us beat the Taliban?

This soldier deserves a medal. He had too much character and honor to not do what he did.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, we know.

He did so to stop that “foreign citizen” from sexually abusing an innocent child.

It's clear enough which of the two offenses you consider serious, and which one you apparently have no problem with. And that is why sane people who have any sense of ethics will always find scumbags like you so repugnant.

Yeah, guy, we know all about right wing ethics. Starting wars over imaginary weapons, looting pension funds.

The man's COMMANDER felt his conduct was serious and endangered his mission.

We aren't over there to change their cutlure, we are there to win a war.

 

[JoeB131]

This soldier deserves a medal. He had too much character and honor to not do what he did.

Well, the Army feels differently.

The General is obligated to follow orders from above. We know that Obama likes to micromanage things. I haven't heard Obama come out and say that this was wrong.

And we know damn well he has no issue taking sides with anything he agrees with or bashing anyone he disagrees with. I guess that boy couldn't have been his son.

And if Obama had intervened in this case, you'd have dug up every bit of dirt you could on SFC Temper-tantrum.

Kind of like you guys did with Bergdahl. Up until the point he was rescued, it was, "Why isn't Obama doing more to free this guy." Until he did, and then Bergdahl became the worst traitor since Judas Iscariot.

 

[jasonnfree]

This soldier deserves a medal. He had too much character and honor to not do what he did.

Well, the Army feels differently.

The General is obligated to follow orders from above. We know that Obama likes to micromanage things. I haven't heard Obama come out and say that this was wrong.

And we know damn well he has no issue taking sides with anything he agrees with or bashing anyone he disagrees with. I guess that boy couldn't have been his son.

And if Obama had intervened in this case, you'd have dug up every bit of dirt you could on SFC Temper-tantrum.

Kind of like you guys did with Bergdahl. Up until the point he was rescued, it was, "Why isn't Obama doing more to free this guy." Until he did, and then Bergdahl became the worst traitor since Judas Iscariot.

I didn't know whether or not obama was involved, and the army can think whatever it likes. When the u.s. army or the president will discharge a soldier who took action against a filthy no good child molester, then this country is going down the wrong road I say. And I never said anything about bergdhal, by the way.