Socialism ends when the goodies end

[g5000]

I agree. Socialism ends when the goodies end. And when the goodies finally run out for the Too Big To Fail banks, they will transform overnight into Too Big To Save banks. And God help us all then.

Actually, banks aren't the one incentivizing this "gimme" mentality that our Government is. When the government stops dictating the worth and motivations of it's people, people will stop begging for goodies and start begging for jobs.

When banks with horrific business models are allowed to fail, they will stop begging for government goodies and will be replaced by better banks.

 

[Andylusion]

You did? Cool.

Find a single post from any liberal USMB member showing support of any kind for Hugo Chavez, please. Post a link here.

Thanks.

That brainless moron below did it for me. Of course most semi-intelligent lib-tards have long sense disavowed their support for the socialist nut case.

Thankfully there's always a few super-fruits on forums like this to prove me right.

I stand corrected. There are liberals here who give a shit about Chavez. Point taken.

You are still a dick with a distorted idea of what makes the average liberal tick, though.

lol.... I wish. It's strange... every other week, I meet some Leftist who tells me that not all 'liberals' are the same.... yet every time I take a guess at how a self-proclaimed 'liberal' is going to fall on any issue, I ALWAYS guess right.

Let me repeat that.... thus far, if I guess how a liberal is going to come down on any issue, my accuracy is 100%. I have yet to meet a single liberal, who has shocked me by their position.

Unless you mean classical liberal... which is free-market capitalist liberal. But if you mean American liberal, you can deny it all you want, but I have not been wrong about you people yet.

And by the way.... there's a reason. I used to be one of you people. I was an anti-gun, pro-regulation, anti-free-trade, equality good, liberal in my youth. The problem was.... I started thinking for myself, and when you do that, liberalism falls apart. Thus, I became as I am now, a Free-market Capitalist.

 

[Plasmaball]

I agree. Socialism ends when the goodies end. And when the goodies finally run out for the Too Big To Fail banks, they will transform overnight into Too Big To Save banks. And God help us all then.

Actually, banks aren't the one incentivizing this "gimme" mentality that our Government is. When the government stops dictating the worth and motivations of it's people, people will stop begging for goodies and start begging for jobs.

you cant be serious

 

[FJO]

Sorry, I liked Hugo. Everything he did was done legally, most of his problems were due to the old corrupt oligarchs or Boooosh lol. He wasn't a dictator, cut poverty and illiteracy,, ill health HUGELY. But that was in a horrible oligarchy and has no lessons for the USA.

Of course the hater dupes are told nothing factual about it...He was hugely popular.

Of all your 15,569 posts this illustrates best why your Rep Power is a big, fat ZERO (0).

 

[LoneLaugher]

That brainless moron below did it for me. Of course most semi-intelligent lib-tards have long sense disavowed their support for the socialist nut case.

Thankfully there's always a few super-fruits on forums like this to prove me right.

I stand corrected. There are liberals here who give a shit about Chavez. Point taken.

You are still a dick with a distorted idea of what makes the average liberal tick, though.

lol.... I wish. It's strange... every other week, I meet some Leftist who tells me that not all 'liberals' are the same.... yet every time I take a guess at how a self-proclaimed 'liberal' is going to fall on any issue, I ALWAYS guess right.

Let me repeat that.... thus far, if I guess how a liberal is going to come down on any issue, my accuracy is 100%. I have yet to meet a single liberal, who has shocked me by their position.

Unless you mean classical liberal... which is free-market capitalist liberal. But if you mean American liberal, you can deny it all you want, but I have not been wrong about you people yet.

And by the way.... there's a reason. I used to be one of you people. I was an anti-gun, pro-regulation, anti-free-trade, equality good, liberal in my youth. The problem was.... I started thinking for myself, and when you do that, liberalism falls apart. Thus, I became as I am now, a Free-market Capitalist.

I am not a Chavez supporter.
I am not anti-gun.
Your accuracy is no longer 100%. Too bad.

WNt to keep trying?

 

[Andylusion]

Hater dupes refuse to learn the difference between socialism and communism. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic, is basically fair, well regulated capitalism, PERHAPS with some necessity industries (health, energy) nationalized, and never goes anywhere it's so popular. COMMUNISM is never democratic, always put in by violence, and just about DEAD. STFU! lol Brainwashed functional MORONS.

We already HAVE socialism here, just a pander to the rich mess thanks to greedy Pubs and silly hater dupes...

Hater democraps refuse to learn the difference between socialism and communism. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic, is basically brutal, well regulated tyranny, PERHAPS with some necessity industries (health, energy) nationalized, and never goes anywhere it's so popular. COMMUNISM is never democratic, always put in by violence, and just about DEAD. STFU! lol Brainwashed functional MORONS.

We already HAVE socialism here, just a pander to the rich mess thanks to greedy democraps and silly hater dupes...

Brutal tyrranny like Norway, Holland, France, Australia, etc.

Chavez did legal stuff he had to do to fight the disgrceful oligarchs. Fox etc is great at bs spin...

Yet another strawman. You leftards, always have to make up something to blame for people not automatically agreeing with your stupidity. I don't have cable stupid. I don't even own a TV you brainless moron. Make up some more crap. Might as well keep your reputation of being retarded going.

Further you mindless twit, Holland isn't even a country. It's part of Netherlands, which is 14th on the economic freedom index. The US is 12th. They are just as much a Free-market Capitalist country as we are. Australia is 3rd, you dim bulb. Norway is 30th, but they are still a free-market capitalist country by far.

France is 70th, and if you haven't been paying attention stupid, their economy sucks right now. People are leaving France, and their unemployment rate is over 10%.

Down and out: the French flee a nation in despair - Telegraph
French Unemployed at Record High - WSJ.com

That's your model of Socialism? You can keep it. Go there yourself, and be unemployed and poor. Have fun with the 70% tax rate.

The more you talk, the more you prove your own ignorant stupidity.

 

[Andylusion]

I stand corrected. There are liberals here who give a shit about Chavez. Point taken.

You are still a dick with a distorted idea of what makes the average liberal tick, though.

lol.... I wish. It's strange... every other week, I meet some Leftist who tells me that not all 'liberals' are the same.... yet every time I take a guess at how a self-proclaimed 'liberal' is going to fall on any issue, I ALWAYS guess right.

Let me repeat that.... thus far, if I guess how a liberal is going to come down on any issue, my accuracy is 100%. I have yet to meet a single liberal, who has shocked me by their position.

Unless you mean classical liberal... which is free-market capitalist liberal. But if you mean American liberal, you can deny it all you want, but I have not been wrong about you people yet.

And by the way.... there's a reason. I used to be one of you people. I was an anti-gun, pro-regulation, anti-free-trade, equality good, liberal in my youth. The problem was.... I started thinking for myself, and when you do that, liberalism falls apart. Thus, I became as I am now, a Free-market Capitalist.

I am not a Chavez supporter.
I am not anti-gun.
Your accuracy is no longer 100%. Too bad.

WNt to keep trying?

What an idiot.

Right, so post me the link to my post where I claimed you were anti-gun, and pro-chavez?

Not there stupid? I didn't make a guess about you. Can't be wrong, when I never made the claim, moron. You can't even debate this little thing, without making up strawman arguments. Completely and utterly typical of a leftard.

 

[francoHFW]

Sorry, I liked Hugo. Everything he did was done legally, most of his problems were due to the old corrupt oligarchs or Boooosh lol. He wasn't a dictator, cut poverty and illiteracy,, ill health HUGELY. But that was in a horrible oligarchy and has no lessons for the USA.

Of course the hater dupes are told nothing factual about it...He was hugely popular.

Of all your 15,569 posts this illustrates best why your Rep Power is a big, fat ZERO (0).

You mean I turned it off because 80% of posters here are rep obsessed hater dupes, and you're ALWAYS FOS lol

 

[LoneLaugher]

lol.... I wish. It's strange... every other week, I meet some Leftist who tells me that not all 'liberals' are the same.... yet every time I take a guess at how a self-proclaimed 'liberal' is going to fall on any issue, I ALWAYS guess right.

Let me repeat that.... thus far, if I guess how a liberal is going to come down on any issue, my accuracy is 100%. I have yet to meet a single liberal, who has shocked me by their position.

Unless you mean classical liberal... which is free-market capitalist liberal. But if you mean American liberal, you can deny it all you want, but I have not been wrong about you people yet.

And by the way.... there's a reason. I used to be one of you people. I was an anti-gun, pro-regulation, anti-free-trade, equality good, liberal in my youth. The problem was.... I started thinking for myself, and when you do that, liberalism falls apart. Thus, I became as I am now, a Free-market Capitalist.

I am not a Chavez supporter.
I am not anti-gun.
Your accuracy is no longer 100%. Too bad.

WNt to keep trying?

What an idiot.

Right, so post me the link to my post where I claimed you were anti-gun, and pro-chavez?

Not there stupid? I didn't make a guess about you. Can't be wrong, when I never made the claim, moron. You can't even debate this little thing, without making up strawman arguments. Completely and utterly typical of a leftard.

You need to try harder.

You have....since I became aware of you...grouped all liberals together. In the post that I responded to, you absolutely reinforced that trait. Now....you want to discuss individuals?

Fuck off, loser. You can't hang.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Whatever you guys do, don't let this out about socialism bringing on the downfall of nations to the rest of the industrialized world. Every other industrialized nation has a form of universal health care, and letting this news get out could cause the dominoes to start falling.

 

[francoHFW]

Hater democraps refuse to learn the difference between socialism and communism. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic, is basically brutal, well regulated tyranny, PERHAPS with some necessity industries (health, energy) nationalized, and never goes anywhere it's so popular. COMMUNISM is never democratic, always put in by violence, and just about DEAD. STFU! lol Brainwashed functional MORONS.

We already HAVE socialism here, just a pander to the rich mess thanks to greedy democraps and silly hater dupes...

Brutal tyrranny like Norway, Holland, France, Australia, etc.

Chavez did legal stuff he had to do to fight the disgrceful oligarchs. Fox etc is great at bs spin...

Yet another strawman. You leftards, always have to make up something to blame for people not automatically agreeing with your stupidity. I don't have cable stupid. I don't even own a TV you brainless moron. Make up some more crap. Might as well keep your reputation of being retarded going.

Further you mindless twit, Holland isn't even a country. It's part of Netherlands, which is 14th on the economic freedom index. The US is 12th. They are just as much a Free-market Capitalist country as we are. Australia is 3rd, you dim bulb. Norway is 30th, but they are still a free-market capitalist country by far.

France is 70th, and if you haven't been paying attention stupid, their economy sucks right now. People are leaving France, and their unemployment rate is over 10%.

Down and out: the French flee a nation in despair - Telegraph
French Unemployed at Record High - WSJ.com

That's your model of Socialism? You can keep it. Go there yourself, and be unemployed and poor. Have fun with the 70% tax rate.

The more you talk, the more you prove your own ignorant stupidity.

You're a provincial ugly American moron who refuses to learn the difference with communism. HOLLAND THE NETHERLANDS ARE THE SAME PLACE LOL

AUSTRALIA HAS A $15 MIN WAGE.

FRANCE IS JUST FINE- YOU BELIEVE A LOT OF CRAPPE- The Telgrapgh is a RW rag, and the 70% tax rate is temporary, for the mega rich only.

Socialist countries can have more or less freedom than savage capitalist ripoffs lile the UK and US...

"Now we're all socialists!"- Finland PM when O-Care was passed...

The 75% tax never happened- I would love to go back to France for a while, or Holland.

 

[francoHFW]

France was downrated because they're ''corrupt''- they bribe officials in corrupt countries!, and subsidize their small farmers- so they HAVE healthy ones, and great food. Pffffft! lol

Heritage, and now Murdoch's WSJ, are always suspect of bs spin...

 

[velvtacheeze]

The right wing's Never Ending Prediction.

 

[velvtacheeze]

Conservative buffoons haven't even gotten their "Inflation is right around the corner" prediction right yet, and they're still predicting the demise of the social welfare state. Seriously. Enough already.

Ever since Bush's promise to get the supposed Iraqi WMD and Osama bin Laden never happened, conservatives just need to eat a Shut Up Sandwich, and then take a nap.

 

[Andylusion]

Whatever you guys do, don't let this out about socialism bringing on the downfall of nations to the rest of the industrialized world. Every other industrialized nation has a form of universal health care, and letting this news get out could cause the dominoes to start falling.

Every nation that has directly engaged in socialism has failed, and resulted in mass impoverishment.

Further, every country that has socialized health care, either has terrible health care, or they are going broke.

Socialism works wonderfully until the you run out of other people's money.

Then one of two things happen. Either the system ends up with crap care, or the tax rates go up, and the economy goes down.

We have people who come here to the US, from all over the world to get care, because the socialized care in their own country sucks. Socialism.... sucks. It fails, always.

 

[TruthSeeker56]

I agree. Socialism ends when the goodies end. And when the goodies finally run out for the Too Big To Fail banks, they will transform overnight into Too Big To Save banks. And God help us all then.

Only keep enough money in the bank to pay your monthly expenses.

Whatever is left over, convert the paper money to silver or gold.

And hope the government doesn't confiscate gold again.

The only way the government can confiscate gold is via the legislative branch.

The power to confiscate gold via Executive Order was taken from the POTUS a long time ago (Thank God!)

 

[Andylusion]

Brutal tyrranny like Norway, Holland, France, Australia, etc.

Chavez did legal stuff he had to do to fight the disgrceful oligarchs. Fox etc is great at bs spin...

Yet another strawman. You leftards, always have to make up something to blame for people not automatically agreeing with your stupidity. I don't have cable stupid. I don't even own a TV you brainless moron. Make up some more crap. Might as well keep your reputation of being retarded going.

Further you mindless twit, Holland isn't even a country. It's part of Netherlands, which is 14th on the economic freedom index. The US is 12th. They are just as much a Free-market Capitalist country as we are. Australia is 3rd, you dim bulb. Norway is 30th, but they are still a free-market capitalist country by far.

France is 70th, and if you haven't been paying attention stupid, their economy sucks right now. People are leaving France, and their unemployment rate is over 10%.

Down and out: the French flee a nation in despair - Telegraph
French Unemployed at Record High - WSJ.com

That's your model of Socialism? You can keep it. Go there yourself, and be unemployed and poor. Have fun with the 70% tax rate.

The more you talk, the more you prove your own ignorant stupidity.

You're a provincial ugly American moron who refuses to learn the difference with communism. HOLLAND THE NETHERLANDS ARE THE SAME PLACE LOL

AUSTRALIA HAS A $15 MIN WAGE.

FRANCE IS JUST FINE- YOU BELIEVE A LOT OF CRAPPE- The Telgrapgh is a RW rag, and the 70% tax rate is temporary, for the mega rich only.

Socialist countries can have more or less freedom than savage capitalist ripoffs lile the UK and US...

"Now we're all socialists!"- Finland PM when O-Care was passed...

The 75% tax never happened- I would love to go back to France for a while, or Holland.

Yeah.... You have now proven to me that you know absolutely nothing about any of the issues you are talking about.

Further, you have also shown me in post after post after post, that you have nothing of value to say, and have zero interest in discussion the topics, but would rather just spew insults, hearsay, and empty claims.

So... I have solution for people like you. It's called "ignore list". You are hereby added to me ignore list. No reason to take it personally, you simply are not worth my time to talk to. You would simply ignore any evidence or facts, contrary to your ridged ideology anyway.

Well.... thanks for stopping by. I'll never see your posts again. Feel free to respond to anything I say, but don't wait for any reply from me. It won't be coming, because I won't see you ever again Bye bye troll!

 

[Andylusion]

Conservative buffoons haven't even gotten their "Inflation is right around the corner" prediction right yet, and they're still predicting the demise of the social welfare state. Seriously. Enough already.

Ever since Bush's promise to get the supposed Iraqi WMD and Osama bin Laden never happened, conservatives just need to eat a Shut Up Sandwich, and then take a nap.

What's funny is, if something does happen, and hyper inflation does occur, I bet anything.... ANYTHING... that the left will simply find something else to blame. You people never take responsibility for the failures of your policies.

Just look at the sub-prime crash. Clearly the push for sub-prime loans came from the left. Yet when the crash happened, it was somehow magically Bush's fault.

If inflation spikes up next year, we'll be hearing about how it was Bush's fault too.

 

[Andylusion]

Gimme my mortgage interest deduction! Gimme my employer-sponsored health insurance tax exemption! Gimme my child tax credit! Gimme my farm subsidy! Gimme my equipment depreciation deduction!

Gimme gimme gimme! And make that guy over there pay for it. Or borrow the money from China. I don't give a shit. Just gimme. Then we'll blame the people on food stamps for our problems.

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.

What you just said, is exactly why our country was never supposed to be a democracy. Democracies, always consistently, consume and destroy themselves. The power of stupid people in large numbers, determining policy for a nation, will always ruin the nation. The Roman Republic was destroyed by Democracy. Give us bread and entertainment!

Now I do find it odd that you talk about tax deductions, exemptions and credits.

You do understand that no one has to "pay" for a deduction?

You show me on the Federal budget, where there is an expenditure for "tax deduction, credit, exemption", and show me how many billions were spent on that.

You can't of course. The expenditures are government programs. Solyndra, Green energy, military, entitlements, social security, medicare, medicaid, food stamps, housing assistance.

These are what we pay for. You can look on the Federal Budget and find line items for each of those, and millions more.

I'm completely in favor of everyone possible, paying as little in taxes as possible. If that guy over there get's a tax credit, tax deduction, tax exemption..... that to me is good! Less money stolen, and blown, on bad government programs, and political pay backs.

Of course the equal opposite position is, we need to cut government spending. Cut welfare. Cut subsidies. Cut programs. Cut food stamps. Cut housing assistance. Cut everything. You don't want to borrow money? Stop spending it.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Gimme my mortgage interest deduction! Gimme my employer-sponsored health insurance tax exemption! Gimme my child tax credit! Gimme my farm subsidy! Gimme my equipment depreciation deduction!

Gimme gimme gimme! And make that guy over there pay for it. Or borrow the money from China. I don't give a shit. Just gimme. Then we'll blame the people on food stamps for our problems.

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.

What you just said, is exactly why our country was never supposed to be a democracy. Democracies, always consistently, consume and destroy themselves. The power of stupid people in large numbers, determining policy for a nation, will always ruin the nation. The Roman Republic was destroyed by Democracy. Give us bread and entertainment!

Now I do find it odd that you talk about tax deductions, exemptions and credits.

You do understand that no one has to "pay" for a deduction?

You show me on the Federal budget, where there is an expenditure for "tax deduction, credit, exemption", and show me how many billions were spent on that.

You can't of course. The expenditures are government programs. Solyndra, Green energy, military, entitlements, social security, medicare, medicaid, food stamps, housing assistance.

These are what we pay for. You can look on the Federal Budget and find line items for each of those, and millions more.

I'm completely in favor of everyone possible, paying as little in taxes as possible. If that guy over there get's a tax credit, tax deduction, tax exemption..... that to me is good! Less money stolen, and blown, on bad government programs, and political pay backs.

Of course the equal opposite position is, we need to cut government spending. Cut welfare. Cut subsidies. Cut programs. Cut food stamps. Cut housing assistance. Cut everything. You don't want to borrow money? Stop spending it.

libs don't care about borrowing money out of thin air.....they say we can just spend our way out of debt and into recovery.....and if that doesn't work well then we just need to pay more taxes....

stupid, yes.....but there is more to this than just stupidity...