Socialism ends when the goodies end

[PaintMyHouse]

President Obama is so busy doing nothing about Crimea and Ukraine, he has no time to make a show of doing nothing about the crisis in Venezuela.

That may be just as well, since it appears the end may finally be coming for the “Chavista” rulers put in power by the late Hugo Chavez.

I keep hoping that one of these days people like you will actually learn what Socialism is, and what Capitalism is for that matter, and it will never happen. Carry on...

so·cial·ism
[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] NOUN

1.a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

2.procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.

3.(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles

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So what part of Chavismo is not socialism.....?

The Dictator part. And thanks for posting the definitions. That's a start towards rational debate.

 

[francoHFW]

What the hater dupes call socialism here is just the already existing UE and welfare being used to protect former workers from homelessness and hunger, the victims of Pub corruption and economic meltown, and now mindless obstruction...IDIOCY. see sig for longterm effects of Reaganism...

 

[Andylusion]

We can all agree that the problems are Bush's fault

Actually, it started with Clinton.

 

[Andylusion]

What the hater dupes call socialism here is just the already existing UE and welfare being used to protect former workers from homelessness and hunger, the victims of Pub corruption and economic meltown, and now mindless obstruction...IDIOCY. see sig for longterm effects of Reaganism...

So what you are trying to tell us.... is that you don't know what you are talking about. Ok.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I keep hoping that one of these days people like you will actually learn what Socialism is, and what Capitalism is for that matter, and it will never happen. Carry on...

so·cial·ism
[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] NOUN

1.a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

2.procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.

3.(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles

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So what part of Chavismo is not socialism.....?

The Dictator part. And thanks for posting the definitions. That's a start towards rational debate.

why is it that socialism always seems to devolve into some kind of dictatorship......?

could that be because socialism itself is based upon FORCE.....?

 

[Andylusion]

so·cial·ism
[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] NOUN

1.a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

2.procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.

3.(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles

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So what part of Chavismo is not socialism.....?

The Dictator part. And thanks for posting the definitions. That's a start towards rational debate.

why is it that socialism always seems to devolve into some kind of dictatorship......?

could that be because socialism itself is based upon FORCE.....?

Well of course. Socialism by it's very nature, involves government control.

The reason that Socialism, inherently results in a brutal dictatorship, is because people don't like their stuff taken away. No one will voluntarily give up the ownership to all there stuff. No one.

So the end result is, you have to force it. You have to force them to relinquish their stuff. And generally if you just take their stuff and let them go, they'll end up finding someone, and backing and supporting someone, that will help them get their stuff back.

So typically, you end up brutally slaughtering, and oppressing those people, to make it work, and not lose power.

 

[MaxGrit]

so·cial·ism
[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] NOUN

1.a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

2.procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.

3.(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles

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So what part of Chavismo is not socialism.....?

The Dictator part. And thanks for posting the definitions. That's a start towards rational debate.

why is it that socialism always seems to devolve into some kind of dictatorship......?

could that be because socialism itself is based upon FORCE.....?

1.a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

The community as a whole = communes ran by a select few = State ran by a select few.

Force is used to implement and maintain collective control over naturally free individuals. Force is also needed to deprive skilled people of their property, liberty, and life. Socialism, built on force and maintained by force, inevitably becomes a rigid class based social system with no social mobility. Those in charge will use force and information control to stay in power. Then comes the class of government workers bent on making massive and useless government bureaucracy.

That's what progs want in America. Progs hate the Constitution because it is an obstacle to megalomaniac progs.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

so·cial·ism
[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] NOUN

1.a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

2.procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.

3.(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles

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So what part of Chavismo is not socialism.....?

The Dictator part. And thanks for posting the definitions. That's a start towards rational debate.

why is it that socialism always seems to devolve into some kind of dictatorship......?

could that be because socialism itself is based upon FORCE.....?

It doesn't, and it isn't.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I agree. Socialism ends when the goodies end. And when the goodies finally run out for the Too Big To Fail banks, they will transform overnight into Too Big To Save banks. And God help us all then.

Actually, banks aren't the one incentivizing this "gimme" mentality that our Government is. When the government stops dictating the worth and motivations of it's people, people will stop begging for goodies and start begging for jobs.

I am pretty sure that you don't even know what it is you just said. And why must you consistently poke your nose into threads about slackers and takers? For fuck's sake....have you no ability to self evaluate?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Nutters are eager to put American liberals in bed with Chavez. I wonder why they wish to do this?

 

[Andylusion]

The Dictator part. And thanks for posting the definitions. That's a start towards rational debate.

why is it that socialism always seems to devolve into some kind of dictatorship......?

could that be because socialism itself is based upon FORCE.....?

It doesn't, and it isn't.

Only if you are blind and ignorant. (notice how my post had as much substance as yours? If you have nothing to say... don't. Or I can just mock you, whichever)

 

[Andylusion]

Nutters are eager to put American liberals in bed with Chavez. I wonder why they wish to do this?

Well....... given that back in the late 2000s, I saw numerous American Liberals with Chavez Promos as their avatars, and talking about the virtues of Bolivarianism....

I kinda think that American Liberals themselves, put themselves in bed with Chavez.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Nutters are eager to put American liberals in bed with Chavez. I wonder why they wish to do this?

Well....... given that back in the late 2000s, I saw numerous American Liberals with Chavez Promos as their avatars, and talking about the virtues of Bolivarianism....

I kinda think that American Liberals themselves, put themselves in bed with Chavez.

You did? Cool.

Find a single post from any liberal USMB member showing support of any kind for Hugo Chavez, please. Post a link here.

Thanks.

 

[francoHFW]

The Dictator part. And thanks for posting the definitions. That's a start towards rational debate.

why is it that socialism always seems to devolve into some kind of dictatorship......?

could that be because socialism itself is based upon FORCE.....?

Well of course. Socialism by it's very nature, involves government control.

The reason that Socialism, inherently results in a brutal dictatorship, is because people don't like their stuff taken away. No one will voluntarily give up the ownership to all there stuff. No one.

So the end result is, you have to force it. You have to force them to relinquish their stuff. And generally if you just take their stuff and let them go, they'll end up finding someone, and backing and supporting someone, that will help them get their stuff back.

So typically, you end up brutally slaughtering, and oppressing those people, to make it work, and not lose power.

Hater dupes refuse to learn the difference between socialism and communism. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic, is basically fair, well regulated capitalism, PERHAPS with some necessity industries (health, energy) nationalized, and never goes anywhere it's so popular. COMMUNISM is never democratic, always put in by violence, and just about DEAD. STFU! lol Brainwashed functional MORONS.

We already HAVE socialism here, just a pander to the rich mess thanks to greedy Pubs and silly hater dupes...

 

[francoHFW]

Sorry, I liked Hugo. Everything he did was done legally, most of his problems were due to the old corrupt oligarchs or Boooosh lol. He wasn't a dictator, cut poverty and illiteracy,, ill health HUGELY. But that was in a horrible oligarchy and has no lessons for the USA.

Of course the hater dupes are told nothing factual about it...He was hugely popular.

 

[Andylusion]

why is it that socialism always seems to devolve into some kind of dictatorship......?

could that be because socialism itself is based upon FORCE.....?

Well of course. Socialism by it's very nature, involves government control.

The reason that Socialism, inherently results in a brutal dictatorship, is because people don't like their stuff taken away. No one will voluntarily give up the ownership to all there stuff. No one.

So the end result is, you have to force it. You have to force them to relinquish their stuff. And generally if you just take their stuff and let them go, they'll end up finding someone, and backing and supporting someone, that will help them get their stuff back.

So typically, you end up brutally slaughtering, and oppressing those people, to make it work, and not lose power.

Hater dupes refuse to learn the difference between socialism and communism. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic, is basically fair, well regulated capitalism, PERHAPS with some necessity industries (health, energy) nationalized, and never goes anywhere it's so popular. COMMUNISM is never democratic, always put in by violence, and just about DEAD. STFU! lol Brainwashed functional MORONS.

We already HAVE socialism here, just a pander to the rich mess thanks to greedy Pubs and silly hater dupes...

Hater democraps refuse to learn the difference between socialism and communism. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic, is basically brutal, well regulated tyranny, PERHAPS with some necessity industries (health, energy) nationalized, and never goes anywhere it's so popular. COMMUNISM is never democratic, always put in by violence, and just about DEAD. STFU! lol Brainwashed functional MORONS.

We already HAVE socialism here, just a pander to the rich mess thanks to greedy democraps and silly hater dupes...

 

[Andylusion]

Sorry, I liked Hugo. Everything he did was done legally, most of his problems were due to the old corrupt oligarchs or Boooosh lol. He wasn't a dictator, cut poverty and illiteracy,, ill health HUGELY. But that was in a horrible oligarchy and has no lessons for the USA.

Of course the hater dupes are told nothing factual about it...He was hugely popular.

Did you know that Hugo Chavez directly inspired violence against news agencies that were not supporters?

Did you know that Hugo Chavez ordered troops into shopping malls, to confiscate rice and other staple goods?

Did you know that Hugo Chavez ordered the removal of broadcast licenses to new channels that were not supported?

Did you know that Hugo Chavez unilaterally removed the restriction of using military troops in domestic civilian settings?

Did you know that Hugo Chavez created armed militias, of Chavez supporters?

Of course the brainless, stupid, ignorant and arrogant Democrap supporters are told nothing factual about it...He was hugely popular, which changes nothing about what he did, or the devastation he reaped across Venezuela that lingers to this day.

 

[Andylusion]

Nutters are eager to put American liberals in bed with Chavez. I wonder why they wish to do this?

Well....... given that back in the late 2000s, I saw numerous American Liberals with Chavez Promos as their avatars, and talking about the virtues of Bolivarianism....

I kinda think that American Liberals themselves, put themselves in bed with Chavez.

You did? Cool.

Find a single post from any liberal USMB member showing support of any kind for Hugo Chavez, please. Post a link here.

Thanks.

That brainless moron below did it for me. Of course most semi-intelligent lib-tards have long sense disavowed their support for the socialist nut case.

Thankfully there's always a few super-fruits on forums like this to prove me right.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Well....... given that back in the late 2000s, I saw numerous American Liberals with Chavez Promos as their avatars, and talking about the virtues of Bolivarianism....

I kinda think that American Liberals themselves, put themselves in bed with Chavez.

You did? Cool.

Find a single post from any liberal USMB member showing support of any kind for Hugo Chavez, please. Post a link here.

Thanks.

That brainless moron below did it for me. Of course most semi-intelligent lib-tards have long sense disavowed their support for the socialist nut case.

Thankfully there's always a few super-fruits on forums like this to prove me right.

I stand corrected. There are liberals here who give a shit about Chavez. Point taken.

You are still a dick with a distorted idea of what makes the average liberal tick, though.

 

[francoHFW]

Well of course. Socialism by it's very nature, involves government control.

The reason that Socialism, inherently results in a brutal dictatorship, is because people don't like their stuff taken away. No one will voluntarily give up the ownership to all there stuff. No one.

So the end result is, you have to force it. You have to force them to relinquish their stuff. And generally if you just take their stuff and let them go, they'll end up finding someone, and backing and supporting someone, that will help them get their stuff back.

So typically, you end up brutally slaughtering, and oppressing those people, to make it work, and not lose power.

Hater dupes refuse to learn the difference between socialism and communism. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic, is basically fair, well regulated capitalism, PERHAPS with some necessity industries (health, energy) nationalized, and never goes anywhere it's so popular. COMMUNISM is never democratic, always put in by violence, and just about DEAD. STFU! lol Brainwashed functional MORONS.

We already HAVE socialism here, just a pander to the rich mess thanks to greedy Pubs and silly hater dupes...

Hater democraps refuse to learn the difference between socialism and communism. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic, is basically brutal, well regulated tyranny, PERHAPS with some necessity industries (health, energy) nationalized, and never goes anywhere it's so popular. COMMUNISM is never democratic, always put in by violence, and just about DEAD. STFU! lol Brainwashed functional MORONS.

We already HAVE socialism here, just a pander to the rich mess thanks to greedy democraps and silly hater dupes...

Brutal tyrranny like Norway, Holland, France, Australia, etc.

Chavez did legal stuff he had to do to fight the disgrceful oligarchs. Fox etc is great at bs spin...