Should the gop be willing to shut down nonessential govt functions to stop obamacare?

[rdean]

The following is what Republicans want to replace Obamacare with:

 

[The T]

There is no reason to 'shut other things down'... but they should still shut down more than just Obamacare... welfare, corporate and farm subsidy, HUD, studies on cow farts, etc... things that are not specifically empowered to the fed in the constitution...

defund it all... eliminate until there is no deficit

THIS^^ And who cares is the moochers that can work and won't don't get their check. It's time to make them grow a set and join the real world.

 

[Darkwind]

The following is what Republicans want to replace Obamacare with:

False premise.


There is no need to replace it with anything.

 

[Darkwind]

I just don't understand the entire 'shut down government' meme being perpetrated by both sides.

The House simply needs to craft a budget that funds the government but leaves off any monetary stipends for Obamacare.

Then send it to the Senate for ratification.

If it fails, then it is the Senate (aka, Democrats) who have failed (yet again) to fund the government.

The House does that very thing every year and Harry Reid ignores it and blames the Republicans in the Senate. And gets away with it every year.

Then perhaps the Republicans should get out the message that the Democrats are shutting down the government, eh?

 

[rightwinger]

The following is what Republicans want to replace Obamacare with:

False premise.


There is no need to replace it with anything.

Let em die

 

[Polk]

I just don't understand the entire 'shut down government' meme being perpetrated by both sides.

The House simply needs to craft a budget that funds the government but leaves off any monetary stipends for Obamacare.

Then send it to the Senate for ratification.

If it fails, then it is the Senate (aka, Democrats) who have failed (yet again) to fund the government.

That's a matter of semantics. The Senate has already passed a funding bill, so you could just as easily (and honestly) argue that the House is the one who has failed to act. It's a massive circle.

 

[Polk]

The GOP needs to get their heads out of their asses and stop acting like a bunch of 3 years throwing a pissy fit because they didn't get their way (even though the individual mandate was a republican plan to begin with)

The affordable care act is the law of the land, deal with it.

Laws are not written in stone. Who told you they were?

True. And the "it's the law of the land" argument is kinda stupid for that reason, but it does contain a morsel of truth. Namely, that when you've had two consecutive presidential elections fought on the same topic and the same side of the question won both times, it's properly worth considering that it's the popular will.

 

[Polk]

The following is what Republicans want to replace Obamacare with:

False premise.


There is no need to replace it with anything.

And yet not of them say that. They all say they want to keep the popular parts, but want to ditch unpopular parts. What they're not mature enough to realize is that the unpopular parts are necessary to make the popular parts work. They're like a person who wants a toned body, but doesn't want to exercise and maintain a healthy diet.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I just don't understand the entire 'shut down government' meme being perpetrated by both sides.

The House simply needs to craft a budget that funds the government but leaves off any monetary stipends for Obamacare.

Then send it to the Senate for ratification.

If it fails, then it is the Senate (aka, Democrats) who have failed (yet again) to fund the government.

The House does that very thing every year and Harry Reid ignores it and blames the Republicans in the Senate. And gets away with it every year.

Then perhaps the Republicans should get out the message that the Democrats are shutting down the government, eh?

Ummmmm. They are trying. You got the message. Maybe you are just smarter than everyone else?

Man, your life must be hell. Why must you be forced to exist with all these stupid Americans?

 

[Polk]

I just don't understand the entire 'shut down government' meme being perpetrated by both sides.

The House simply needs to craft a budget that funds the government but leaves off any monetary stipends for Obamacare.

Then send it to the Senate for ratification.

If it fails, then it is the Senate (aka, Democrats) who have failed (yet again) to fund the government.

The House does that very thing every year and Harry Reid ignores it and blames the Republicans in the Senate. And gets away with it every year.

Reid ignores it because the Republicans cram the calendar full of fillibusters on everything that moves.

 

[Darkwind]

I just don't understand the entire 'shut down government' meme being perpetrated by both sides.

The House simply needs to craft a budget that funds the government but leaves off any monetary stipends for Obamacare.

Then send it to the Senate for ratification.

If it fails, then it is the Senate (aka, Democrats) who have failed (yet again) to fund the government.

That's a matter of semantics. The Senate has already passed a funding bill, so you could just as easily (and honestly) argue that the House is the one who has failed to act. It's a massive circle.

The Senate CANNOT pass a funding bill. Or did you sleep through that part of the Constitution?

The real truth here is that the Democrats have repeatedly failed to work with the GOP over the past 4 years. A lot of the problems we face with regard to budgetary issues could very well have been solved if the Democrats followed the law.

When you play tennis, you don't get to let the returned ball sail past you and then claim that your opponent did not hit the ball in the manner you like and then claim the point.

You play the return and go whine to your wife or cry in your beer or whatever, later.

 

[Darkwind]

The House does that very thing every year and Harry Reid ignores it and blames the Republicans in the Senate. And gets away with it every year.

Then perhaps the Republicans should get out the message that the Democrats are shutting down the government, eh?

Ummmmm. They are trying. You got the message. Maybe you are just smarter than everyone else?

Man, your life must be hell. Why must you be forced to exist with all these stupid Americans?

In fact, they are not trying. I haven't heard from the GOP, the GOP leadership, in over two months.

As for your other comment.....My life is just fine. I'm used to dealing with ignorant liberals.

 

[The T]

The House does that very thing every year and Harry Reid ignores it and blames the Republicans in the Senate. And gets away with it every year.

Then perhaps the Republicans should get out the message that the Democrats are shutting down the government, eh?

Ummmmm. They are trying. You got the message. Maybe you are just smarter than everyone else?

Man, your life must be hell. Why must you be forced to exist with all these stupid Americans?

I say shut the entire thing down, and do a reboot.

 

[Darkwind]

The following is what Republicans want to replace Obamacare with:

False premise.


There is no need to replace it with anything.

And yet not of them say that. They all say they want to keep the popular parts, but want to ditch unpopular parts. What they're not mature enough to realize is that the unpopular parts are necessary to make the popular parts work. They're like a person who wants a toned body, but doesn't want to exercise and maintain a healthy diet.

What? You mean pass legislation to address specific problems?

Congress? They do that?

Oh, wait.........

 

[Darkwind]

Then perhaps the Republicans should get out the message that the Democrats are shutting down the government, eh?

Ummmmm. They are trying. You got the message. Maybe you are just smarter than everyone else?

Man, your life must be hell. Why must you be forced to exist with all these stupid Americans?

I say shut the entire thing down, and do a reboot.

It would be better if the public just threw them all out and rebooted that way. But yeah, if the Democrats want to shut down the government....well, it would save us money toward that debt ceiling thing...

 

[Polk]

I just don't understand the entire 'shut down government' meme being perpetrated by both sides.

The House simply needs to craft a budget that funds the government but leaves off any monetary stipends for Obamacare.

Then send it to the Senate for ratification.

If it fails, then it is the Senate (aka, Democrats) who have failed (yet again) to fund the government.

That's a matter of semantics. The Senate has already passed a funding bill, so you could just as easily (and honestly) argue that the House is the one who has failed to act. It's a massive circle.

The Senate CANNOT pass a funding bill. Or did you sleep through that part of the Constitution?

The real truth here is that the Democrats have repeatedly failed to work with the GOP over the past 4 years. A lot of the problems we face with regard to budgetary issues could very well have been solved if the Democrats followed the law.

When you play tennis, you don't get to let the returned ball sail past you and then claim that your opponent did not hit the ball in the manner you like and then claim the point.

You play the return and go whine to your wife or cry in your beer or whatever, later.

Perhaps you should read the Constitution more closely. Revenue bills (aka, bills that raise money) must begin in the House. The bills to actually spend the money are not revenue bills. Even that's a mere formality, since the Senate can propose amendments, meaning they can strip the meat out of any bill that passes the House and just insert revenue measures inside of it.

 

[The T]

Ummmmm. They are trying. You got the message. Maybe you are just smarter than everyone else?

Man, your life must be hell. Why must you be forced to exist with all these stupid Americans?

I say shut the entire thing down, and do a reboot.

It would be better if the public just threw them all out and rebooted that way. But yeah, if the Democrats want to shut down the government....well, it would save us money toward that debt ceiling thing...

And pass a REAL budget instead of this Continuing resolution cop out that BOTH parties are guilty of. BOTH are shirking their duty...and DESERVE to be thrown out.

I'm sick of BOTH of them.

 

[Polk]

False premise.


There is no need to replace it with anything.

And yet not of them say that. They all say they want to keep the popular parts, but want to ditch unpopular parts. What they're not mature enough to realize is that the unpopular parts are necessary to make the popular parts work. They're like a person who wants a toned body, but doesn't want to exercise and maintain a healthy diet.

What? You mean pass legislation to address specific problems?

Congress? They do that?

Oh, wait.........

The problem is that "addressing specific problems" in the way some of the right are proposing will create much larger problems.

 

[The T]

That's a matter of semantics. The Senate has already passed a funding bill, so you could just as easily (and honestly) argue that the House is the one who has failed to act. It's a massive circle.

The Senate CANNOT pass a funding bill. Or did you sleep through that part of the Constitution?

The real truth here is that the Democrats have repeatedly failed to work with the GOP over the past 4 years. A lot of the problems we face with regard to budgetary issues could very well have been solved if the Democrats followed the law.

When you play tennis, you don't get to let the returned ball sail past you and then claim that your opponent did not hit the ball in the manner you like and then claim the point.

You play the return and go whine to your wife or cry in your beer or whatever, later.

Perhaps you should read the Constitution more closely. Revenue bills (aka, bills that raise money) must begin in the House. The bills to actually spend the money are not revenue bills. Even that's a mere formality, since the Senate can propose amendments, meaning they can strip the meat out of any bill that passes the House and just insert revenue measures inside of it.

The Senate CANNOT pass a funding bill. Or did you sleep through that part of the Constitution

?

IDIOT. He made mention of it.

 

[Darkwind]

The Senate CANNOT pass a funding bill. Or did you sleep through that part of the Constitution?

The real truth here is that the Democrats have repeatedly failed to work with the GOP over the past 4 years. A lot of the problems we face with regard to budgetary issues could very well have been solved if the Democrats followed the law.

When you play tennis, you don't get to let the returned ball sail past you and then claim that your opponent did not hit the ball in the manner you like and then claim the point.

You play the return and go whine to your wife or cry in your beer or whatever, later.

Perhaps you should read the Constitution more closely. Revenue bills (aka, bills that raise money) must begin in the House. The bills to actually spend the money are not revenue bills. Even that's a mere formality, since the Senate can propose amendments, meaning they can strip the meat out of any bill that passes the House and just insert revenue measures inside of it.

The Senate CANNOT pass a funding bill. Or did you sleep through that part of the Constitution

?

IDIOT. He made mention of it.

They don't read very well. They have their points and they stick to them regardless of what is said.