Should the gop be willing to shut down nonessential govt functions to stop obamacare?

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Should the GOP stand their ground and defund O'care despite any possible ramification

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  1. Grampa Murked U
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    Yes or no and what do you believe the ramifications would be? And I don't mean lost elections. Individual political seats are not more important than the health (not medical) of our nation as a whole.
    The dems screamed the sky was falling when the thought of sequester wasmentioned. Reality showed different.

    Im sick of the gop being forced to "go along" just to keep the gun away from their heads. This is a bipartisan mess overall and im sick of the dems getting a free pass. If the govt shuts down it will be because BOTH sides refused to compromise. BOTH

    Congress is there to fulfill the will of the people not FUCKING KING OBAMA.

    I say fuck these stupid games and play hardball. Sadly I don't think Boehner has the spine required to do what's right.
     
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    The GOP needs to get their heads out of their asses and stop acting like a bunch of 3 years throwing a pissy fit because they didn't get their way (even though the individual mandate was a republican plan to begin with)

    The affordable care act is the law of the land, deal with it.
     
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    Many laws were the "law of the land"

    Doesn't mean shit
     
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    false premise. there is no reason to shut down any govt functions except obamacare. All other govt functions can be fully funded and can operate as usual. Just no funding for obamacare.
     
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    so was slavery at one time. so was the prohibition of women voting.

    all laws are not good laws. ACA is terrible legislation, probably the worst in our history
     
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    There is no reason to 'shut other things down'... but they should still shut down more than just Obamacare... welfare, corporate and farm subsidy, HUD, studies on cow farts, etc... things that are not specifically empowered to the fed in the constitution...

    defund it all... eliminate until there is no deficit
     
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    False choice. Congress is capable of fully funding government except for Obamacare. No shut down would be necessary. Of course, the Senate will likely add Obamacare funding back in and send it back to the House. Nothing says the House can't remove Obamacare funding again and sent it right back.

    Point is, no govt functions need stop to de-fund Obamacare. It would be on Reid and the Dem controlled Senate if they refused to vote for a funding bill that kept the government going ex Obamacare. Why the establishment RINOs think they'd be blamed is beyond me. As you say, they have no backbone!
     
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    So is Paygo. How's that working out?
     
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    No, the worst in history was the constitution shredding patriot act from W and the GOP trash. Not to mention the ACA hasn't even gone into effect yet, so claiming is terrible legislation is just parroting right wing BS.
     
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    I understand that but I'm also aware the dems will push it to that point to keep Obamacare. Resulting in some services being shut down at the very least. So I think the premise is accurate.
    Should the gop be willing to do what it takes to achieve the goal of killing this job and freedom restricting bill?
     
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    The world doesn't exist in a 'right and wrong' paradigm. That's fantasy.

    The world, especially the political world, exists in a model of perception.

    Does the House have the ability to force the Stuttering Clusterfuck to shut down the government?

    Yes.

    Would it be right and proper for them to do it?

    Yes.

    Would the DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM crucify them for it?

    Yes, yes, and HELL YES!!

    Between the Stuttering Clusterfuck having a Bully Pulpit and the DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM lying like the scumbags they are.... We get killed.

    It is sheer stupidity to want to commit suicide in order to satisfy some childish notion of right and wrong.

    Remember something -- The winner is ALWAYS right. Always.

    Always.

    We need to WIN, not to make stupid and self-destructive 'statements'

    Winning is right.

    Losing is wrong.

    dimocraps figured this out centuries ago. It's time we did too.

    It's too bad that right and wrong have become foreign concepts in the political world, but they have.

    You can thank dimocrap scum for that
     
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    Take that mother fucker DOWN! There isn't 1 thing the federal government does for me that I can't live without.
     
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    Obamacare is going to result in people dying. It's a bad policy. Everyone knows it's a bad policy and eliminating it should be the first priority.
     
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    then why didn't obama and the dem controlled congress repeal the patriot act when they had complete control during his first two years? Why is obama still using the patriot act to hunt terrorists? Why is NSA being allowed to listen in on your cell phone calls?

    obama is continuing and expanding the things that you criticize Bush for. are you a complete brain dead obama loving zombie?
     
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    Hey asshole, you forgot to mention that NDAA which your monkey said he wouldn't sign but then turned around and did so when was nobody was watching on New Year's eve.

    You wanna play little boy? Play fair.
     
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    I don't consider Obamacare some childish fight. I consider it very destructive to our economy.
     
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    yes, but I don't think they will
     
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    And he comes the right wing racism. Well done shithead :cuckoo:
     
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    The problem is what right considers nonessential.
     
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    dimcrap scum voted for the Patriot Act. dimocrap scum also voted for its extension.

    the Stuttering Clusterfuck signed the Patriot Act extension into law

    You can't criticize this source

    Democrats vote to renew Patriot Act - World Socialist Web Site

    You gotta be a special kind of dumbass to blame Republicans exclusively for the PAtriot Act.

    And who's abusing it?

    dimocraps

    You're an idiot
     

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