Should the gop be willing to shut down nonessential govt functions to stop obamacare?

Should the GOP stand their ground and defund O'care despite any possible ramification


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so was slavery at one time. so was the prohibition of women voting.

all laws are not good laws. ACA is terrible legislation, probably the worst in our history

No, the worst in history was the constitution shredding patriot act from W and the GOP trash. Not to mention the ACA hasn't even gone into effect yet, so claiming is terrible legislation is just parroting right wing BS.

dimcrap scum voted for the Patriot Act. dimocrap scum also voted for its extension.

the Stuttering Clusterfuck signed the Patriot Act extension into law

You can't criticize this source

With almost no debate, the Democratic leadership in Congress pushed through an unamended extension of the USA Patriot Act’s most notorious provisions, granting sweeping powers to eavesdrop and seize library, Internet and other personal records of US citizens.

Democrats vote to renew Patriot Act - World Socialist Web Site

You gotta be a special kind of dumbass to blame Republicans exclusively for the PAtriot Act.

And who's abusing it?

dimocraps

You're an idiot

Go look at the voting record for the patriot act renewals. Only about 1/3 of the democrats supported it, but virtually all of the GOP and "pro constitution!" teabaggers voted for it.

If it wasn't for the america hating right wingers, the patriot act never would have been created in the first place, let alone would have been done with years ago.
 
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Warren Buffet is now saying to scrap this bill. The union is against it too. Who exactly is FOR this bill?

This is another case of dimocrap scum putting politics ahead of people.

If they let this bill die, if they let the ACA go the way of the Dodo bird, it will make them look bad. Republicans will use it against for a long time.

Just like the Stuttering Clusterfuck's "Red Line" remark, they'll take this to the wall while denying responsibility the whole time.

You gotta understand something people....

We see others and we can only judge through the prism of our own eyes. We only know our very own deep down feelings, our very own morality and our very own honor.

We can NOT think with the mind of a criminal, of a traitor, of a loser or of a dirtbag.

The only way to try to understand dimocraps is to understand something -- These people really are dirtbags.

They're not like us. They don't think like us, they don't act like us, they don't want the same things as us, they don't have honor like we do, they don't have a work ethic, they don't know anything other than deception, misdirection, dishonesty and corruption.

Once you concede that, everything else falls into line. It becomes so much easier to understand them and to deal with them.

You start thinking they're just "Good people with bad ideas" and you're gonna lose every time.

They're not. I'm telling you..... They're not.

A few are, but they're in the minority. I'm talking 5% tops.
 
No, the worst in history was the constitution shredding patriot act from W and the GOP trash. Not to mention the ACA hasn't even gone into effect yet, so claiming is terrible legislation is just parroting right wing BS.

dimcrap scum voted for the Patriot Act. dimocrap scum also voted for its extension.

the Stuttering Clusterfuck signed the Patriot Act extension into law

You can't criticize this source

With almost no debate, the Democratic leadership in Congress pushed through an unamended extension of the USA Patriot Act’s most notorious provisions, granting sweeping powers to eavesdrop and seize library, Internet and other personal records of US citizens.

Democrats vote to renew Patriot Act - World Socialist Web Site

You gotta be a special kind of dumbass to blame Republicans exclusively for the PAtriot Act.

And who's abusing it?

dimocraps

You're an idiot

Go look at the voting record for the patriot act renewals. Only about 1/3 of the democrats supported it, but virtually all of the GOP and "pro constitution!" teabaggers voted for it.

If it wasn't for the america hating right wingers, the patriot act never would have been created in the first place, let alone would have been done with years ago.

You're a liar.

Republicans had ZERO control in 2010. None. Zero. Nada. Zilch.

You're a dishonest moron
 
The GOP should be willing to shut down nonessential government functions, whatever that means, because they're nonessential.
 
No, the worst in history was the constitution shredding patriot act from W and the GOP trash. Not to mention the ACA hasn't even gone into effect yet, so claiming is terrible legislation is just parroting right wing BS.

dimcrap scum voted for the Patriot Act. dimocrap scum also voted for its extension.

the Stuttering Clusterfuck signed the Patriot Act extension into law

You can't criticize this source

With almost no debate, the Democratic leadership in Congress pushed through an unamended extension of the USA Patriot Act’s most notorious provisions, granting sweeping powers to eavesdrop and seize library, Internet and other personal records of US citizens.

Democrats vote to renew Patriot Act - World Socialist Web Site

You gotta be a special kind of dumbass to blame Republicans exclusively for the PAtriot Act.

And who's abusing it?

dimocraps

You're an idiot

Go look at the voting record for the patriot act renewals. Only about 1/3 of the democrats supported it, but virtually all of the GOP and "pro constitution!" teabaggers voted for it.

If it wasn't for the america hating right wingers, the patriot act never would have been created in the first place, let alone would have been done with years ago.

Obama signed it, dipshit. He could have vetoed it, but he signed the extension. So now I guess you hate obama as much as you hate Bush for the patriot act-------if not, then you are a disengenuous liar and have no right posting with adults who can actually think for themselves.
 
Yes or no and what do you believe the ramifications would be? And I don't mean lost elections. Individual political seats are not more important than the health (not medical) of our nation as a whole.
The dems screamed the sky was falling when the thought of sequester wasmentioned. Reality showed different.

Im sick of the gop being forced to "go along" just to keep the gun away from their heads. This is a bipartisan mess overall and im sick of the dems getting a free pass. If the govt shuts down it will be because BOTH sides refused to compromise. BOTH

Congress is there to fulfill the will of the people not FUCKING KING OBAMA.

I say fuck these stupid games and play hardball. Sadly I don't think Boehner has the spine required to do what's right.

I see that you have fallen victim to the Liberal Lie pushed by the Liberals and the MSM.

It won't be the Republicans who shut down the Government over the defunding of Obama-care.... It would be Obama who shut down the Government over the defunding of Obama-care.

The Republicans, if they are brave enough, actually were to pass a funding bills for every part of the Government except Obama-care, they didn't shut down the Government.

If the Democrats in the Senate and Obama refuse to pass or sign the bill, they are the ones who refused to fund the Government because one portion didn't get funded.
 
I also suggest all of you Patriotic Americans look at the votes on page 1.

Know who's voting yes?

Mostly leftists and a few hard line Conservatives.

Know why the leftists are voting 'yes'?

They WANT this fight. They KNOW it will end the Republican Party and our chances for a decent human being to take Office in 2016 and for us to take control of the Congress in 2016.

the DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM will CRUCIFY us for 'shutting down the government'

It won't be us shutting it down, it will be the Stuttering Clusterfuck, but guess what?

the DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM will blame us and IT WILL STICK!!!

You never fight an enemy on the battlefield of his choosing.

Never.

Ask Hannibal
 
Yes or no and what do you believe the ramifications would be? And I don't mean lost elections. Individual political seats are not more important than the health (not medical) of our nation as a whole.
The dems screamed the sky was falling when the thought of sequester wasmentioned. Reality showed different.

Im sick of the gop being forced to "go along" just to keep the gun away from their heads. This is a bipartisan mess overall and im sick of the dems getting a free pass. If the govt shuts down it will be because BOTH sides refused to compromise. BOTH

Congress is there to fulfill the will of the people not FUCKING KING OBAMA.

I say fuck these stupid games and play hardball. Sadly I don't think Boehner has the spine required to do what's right.

Look.. Obama wants a single payer!
Single payer means $100 billion a year in lost tax revenue to Federal/state/local governments!
THAT cost has NEVER been mentioned as well as the 400,000 people that will be put out of work!

HEALTH INSURANCE companies do ONE THING!
THEY pay the claims submitted to them. 80% of every dollar in premium goes out in claims!
That is where the solution can be made when EVERYONE understands that $850 billion a year is paid out in claims that according to
the experts, i.e. Doctors UNNECESSARILY! WASTED! $850 billion called defensive medicine where physicians are so fearful of
being sued they order duplicate tests, etc. YET almost to a person on this board people translate everything else BUT don't grasp
this gigantic elephant in the room! Drs. tell us they do this so why are we so stupid not to attack THAT Problem?

Then the other major stupid idiocy about this whole discussion is WHY did ACA come about?? "Millions of uninsured"???
YES that was the primary reason! YET as I've endlessly proved over and over again THERE ARE ONLY 4 million!
18 million don't need but could afford insurance.
14 million that were counted as uninsured are too lazy to go to Medicaid and register!
10 million are NOT citizens!
THAT leaves 4 million! 4 MILLION! So we're destroying the entire health system for 4 million???
Why Grampa aren't you pissed that lawyers making over $270 billion most of it from health care lawsuits weren't taxed like tanning salons in the ACA bill?
10% or $27 billion would PAY THE PREMIUM for the entire 4 million that want and need health insurance!
THAT's it! Simple solution that as the $850 billion wasted duplicate spending declines the 10% tax would also decline!
I absolutely guarantee that between stopping hospitals from overcharging sometimes 6,000% to recoup uninsured and cutting the $850 billion, easily $200 billion a year in cost reductions!
Cost reductions means LOWER PREMIUMS because most people don't seem to know that states' regulators HAVE to approve premiums!
And when companies claims decline from the average of 80% of premiums.. BAM! Lower premiums! THAT's the way to make insurance less
expensive! IT WILL work!
 
Yes or no and what do you believe the ramifications would be? And I don't mean lost elections. Individual political seats are not more important than the health (not medical) of our nation as a whole.
The dems screamed the sky was falling when the thought of sequester wasmentioned. Reality showed different.

Im sick of the gop being forced to "go along" just to keep the gun away from their heads. This is a bipartisan mess overall and im sick of the dems getting a free pass. If the govt shuts down it will be because BOTH sides refused to compromise. BOTH

Congress is there to fulfill the will of the people not FUCKING KING OBAMA.

I say fuck these stupid games and play hardball. Sadly I don't think Boehner has the spine required to do what's right.

Someone sent me this:

If the Republican House wins then there is no reason for them to stop at Obamacare. Why not get rid of Medicare, Social Security, Civil Rights? Why not make abortion illegal in all states? Why not get rid of the income tax, etc? Why not do every single thing conservatives have wet dreams about?. Why not attack Iran, Syria, North Korea, Russia, even China? Why not bring back slavery? Why not Repeal the vote for women? Why stop at Obamacare?

Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says - CSMonitor.com

I'm guess that since they used the American people once before to blackmail Obama, they feel it's OK to do it again.

Only someone who received Government help cries about other's receiving government help. We call those people "dirty hypocrite scum".
 
Yes or no and what do you believe the ramifications would be? And I don't mean lost elections. Individual political seats are not more important than the health (not medical) of our nation as a whole.
The dems screamed the sky was falling when the thought of sequester wasmentioned. Reality showed different.

Im sick of the gop being forced to "go along" just to keep the gun away from their heads. This is a bipartisan mess overall and im sick of the dems getting a free pass. If the govt shuts down it will be because BOTH sides refused to compromise. BOTH

Congress is there to fulfill the will of the people not FUCKING KING OBAMA.

I say fuck these stupid games and play hardball. Sadly I don't think Boehner has the spine required to do what's right.

Look.. Obama wants a single payer!
Single payer means $100 billion a year in lost tax revenue to Federal/state/local governments!
THAT cost has NEVER been mentioned as well as the 400,000 people that will be put out of work!

HEALTH INSURANCE companies do ONE THING!
THEY pay the claims submitted to them. 80% of every dollar in premium goes out in claims!
That is where the solution can be made when EVERYONE understands that $850 billion a year is paid out in claims that according to
the experts, i.e. Doctors UNNECESSARILY! WASTED! $850 billion called defensive medicine where physicians are so fearful of
being sued they order duplicate tests, etc. YET almost to a person on this board people translate everything else BUT don't grasp
this gigantic elephant in the room! Drs. tell us they do this so why are we so stupid not to attack THAT Problem?

Then the other major stupid idiocy about this whole discussion is WHY did ACA come about?? "Millions of uninsured"???
YES that was the primary reason! YET as I've endlessly proved over and over again THERE ARE ONLY 4 million!
18 million don't need but could afford insurance.
14 million that were counted as uninsured are too lazy to go to Medicaid and register!
10 million are NOT citizens!
THAT leaves 4 million! 4 MILLION! So we're destroying the entire health system for 4 million???
Why Grampa aren't you pissed that lawyers making over $270 billion most of it from health care lawsuits weren't taxed like tanning salons in the ACA bill?
10% or $27 billion would PAY THE PREMIUM for the entire 4 million that want and need health insurance!
THAT's it! Simple solution that as the $850 billion wasted duplicate spending declines the 10% tax would also decline!
I absolutely guarantee that between stopping hospitals from overcharging sometimes 6,000% to recoup uninsured and cutting the $850 billion, easily $200 billion a year in cost reductions!
Cost reductions means LOWER PREMIUMS because most people don't seem to know that states' regulators HAVE to approve premiums!
And when companies claims decline from the average of 80% of premiums.. BAM! Lower premiums! THAT's the way to make insurance less
expensive! IT WILL work!

You missed the part about skimming policies to pay for CEO's salaries.

Aetna CEO's Pay More Than Tripled Last Year - Hartford Courant

Bertolini was compensated a total of $36.36 million last year, not including $11.1 million in stock awards which vest later and are based on the company's performance.

--------------------------------------------------

Do these right wingers understand how many policies it takes to skim a 50 million dollar salary. Obamacare makes insurance companies spend at least 80% on their patients. To teanutty fruitcakes, that sounds like a "bad thing".
 
dimcrap scum voted for the Patriot Act. dimocrap scum also voted for its extension.

the Stuttering Clusterfuck signed the Patriot Act extension into law

You can't criticize this source



Democrats vote to renew Patriot Act - World Socialist Web Site

You gotta be a special kind of dumbass to blame Republicans exclusively for the PAtriot Act.

And who's abusing it?

dimocraps

You're an idiot

Go look at the voting record for the patriot act renewals. Only about 1/3 of the democrats supported it, but virtually all of the GOP and "pro constitution!" teabaggers voted for it.

If it wasn't for the america hating right wingers, the patriot act never would have been created in the first place, let alone would have been done with years ago.

Obama signed it, dipshit. He could have vetoed it, but he signed the extension. So now I guess you hate obama as much as you hate Bush for the patriot act-------if not, then you are a disengenuous liar and have no right posting with adults who can actually think for themselves.

Terrible deflection. If there was no W and GOP, there would be no patriot act. If there was no GOP voting almost unanimously for it, it would have been killed in congress on it's renewals.

The GOP owns this monstrosity, and continue to support it, showing off once again how much they hate freedom and the constitution.
 
I say fuck these stupid games and play hardball.

I do believe you have created a vortex of irony.

The people voted for it, Congress passed it, and the President signed it. So, like a five year old, the sore losers want to take their ball and go home.

That's because, like a five year old, they are thoroughly incapable of articulating or selling a better idea than ObamaCare. And that is why they got their asses handed to them, and will again if they shut down the government.

Demand more from your party than these stupid loser games. You are an idiot for demanding they double down on these puerile tactics.
 
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Yes or no and what do you believe the ramifications would be? And I don't mean lost elections. Individual political seats are not more important than the health (not medical) of our nation as a whole.
The dems screamed the sky was falling when the thought of sequester wasmentioned. Reality showed different.

Im sick of the gop being forced to "go along" just to keep the gun away from their heads. This is a bipartisan mess overall and im sick of the dems getting a free pass. If the govt shuts down it will be because BOTH sides refused to compromise. BOTH

Congress is there to fulfill the will of the people not FUCKING KING OBAMA.

I say fuck these stupid games and play hardball. Sadly I don't think Boehner has the spine required to do what's right.

Someone sent me this:

If the Republican House wins then there is no reason for them to stop at Obamacare. Why not get rid of Medicare, Social Security, Civil Rights? Why not make abortion illegal in all states? Why not get rid of the income tax, etc? Why not do every single thing conservatives have wet dreams about?. Why not attack Iran, Syria, North Korea, Russia, even China? Why not bring back slavery? Why not Repeal the vote for women? Why stop at Obamacare?

Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says - CSMonitor.com

I'm guess that since they used the American people once before to blackmail Obama, they feel it's OK to do it again.

Only someone who received Government help cries about other's receiving government help. We call those people "dirty hypocrite scum".
Because the tax credits the builder got 26 years ago for two months built my business I started 3 years later right?

You are a fucking moron. The only one that benefited from that scenario was the builder looking for cheap labor when no one else would climb the scaffolding in the middle of winter when it was 5 below zero.

You really have no clue about the world outside your little bubble do you? Idiot
 
I say fuck these stupid games and play hardball.

I do believe you have created a vortex of irony.

The people voted for it, Congress passed it, and the President signed it. So, like a five year old, the sore losers want to take their ball and go home.

That's because, like a five year old, they are thoroughly incapable of articulating or selling a better idea than ObamaCare. And that is why they got their asses handed to them, and will again if they shut down the government.

Demand more from your party than these stupid loser games.

Better ideas were offered you liberal ball licker. They were summarily dismissed because dems had total control.

Fuck off troll
 
It may not always be a conscioius thought, but here is what is in the backs of the minds of Americans which is causing the GOP to catostrophically fuck up and not even realize it:

"Repeal ObamaCare...AND THEN WHAT?!?!?"
 
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It may not always be a conscioius thought, but here is what is in the backs of the minds of Americans which is causing the GOP to catostrophically fuck up and not even realize it:

"Repeal ObamaCare...AND THEN WHAT?!?!?"

What is it with you big government fools? We can repeal this clusterfuck and make minor tweeks to the system we already had THAT WORKED like tort reform and cross state sales. Why do we need to replace a disasterous bill with another economy killing monstrosity?
 
It may not always be a conscioius thought, but here is what is in the backs of the minds of Americans which is causing the GOP to catostrophically fuck up and not even realize it:

"Repeal ObamaCare...AND THEN WHAT?!?!?"

Open up the highly restricted insurance trade..

It is not government's job to ensure you are ensured, nor to take care of your boo boos..

More competition, more access.. more groups to be able to offer group rates, whether it be from your bowling league, your HOA, or your fucking Elks club... easy ability to search out and buy catastrophic insurance only.. make it so that there are options where you don't pay for basic upkeep thru insurance (which drives insurance rates up).. you pay out of pocket for checkups or flu shots you will be more aware of what you are really paying, causing competition and a reduction in price...

Because of the depth of government and required insurance participation, we have the mess we have now... we don't need MORE government involvement in medical practice, personal upkeep, or insurance.. we need LESS
 

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