Sharia Police in NYC

[EvilCat Breath]

So it's a community watch group run by Muslims. If they didn't exist people would complain that Muslims weren't taking part in community watch groups.

"These savages won't even take part in our community."

"We started a community watch group."

"These savages are trying to take over our community."

I have a hardcore right wing Facebook friend who "shares" every last fake news scare story she gets, literally eight to ten a day. Invariably, someone will say something like, "um, I checked that out, and it just isn't true". Doesn't slow her down a bit, she just keeps screaming.

Always fascinating to watch, and it explains how we've arrived at this place.
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Well if it weren't for the fact that the media is planting stories to get everyone, not just rightwingers, to make fools of themselves, I would say you have a good point.
The reason for this is to keep everyone in the dark and at each other's throats.
So it's not just rightwingers that are overreacting.
Christ....Trump isn't a Russian agent....and getting rid of air travel is a pipe-dream.

I don’t think Trump is a Russian agent. But the problem with that is the way Trump protecting Putin.

He believed Putin more than his own chief intelligence that he hired. Then blast them in public. I mean who does that?
Then here comes his supporters. It’s cool no problem.

I don’t think this is news media problem.

Trump isn't protecting Putin.
Trump pulled out of a nuclear arms agreement because Putin was cheating.
Trump also killed over 200 Russian operatives in Syria.
Trump has done everything short of declaring war on Russia, but you believe the corrupt media that Trump is a close friend and co-conspirator with him.

If you think as twisted as a democrat, Trump is helping Putin by starting WWIII.

 

[BULLDOG]

What could go wrong? How has sharia police worked out in London and Germany?

You are now entering Sharia law Britain: As Islamic extremists declare a Sharia law zone in a London suburb, there are worrying social and moral implications | Daily Mail Online
German court lets off 'Sharia police'

Are you retarded? This has nothing to do with Sharia law. You can pretend it does if you want to. That's the crazy type thing you usually do.

I have a feeling. Typsi and easy are the same person.

They share the same defective brain.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

So it's a community watch group run by Muslims. If they didn't exist people would complain that Muslims weren't taking part in community watch groups.

"These savages won't even take part in our community."

"We started a community watch group."

"These savages are trying to take over our community."

I have a hardcore right wing Facebook friend who "shares" every last fake news scare story she gets, literally eight to ten a day. Invariably, someone will say something like, "um, I checked that out, and it just isn't true". Doesn't slow her down a bit, she just keeps screaming.

Always fascinating to watch, and it explains how we've arrived at this place.
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Well if it weren't for the fact that the media is planting stories to get everyone, not just rightwingers, to make fools of themselves, I would say you have a good point.
The reason for this is to keep everyone in the dark and at each other's throats.
So it's not just rightwingers that are overreacting.
Christ....Trump isn't a Russian agent....and getting rid of air travel is a pipe-dream.

I don’t think Trump is a Russian agent. But the problem with that is the way Trump protecting Putin.

He believed Putin more than his own chief intelligence that he hired. Then blast them in public. I mean who does that?
Then here comes his supporters. It’s cool no problem.

I don’t think this is news media problem.

Russia wouldn't want someone that stupid as an agent. He's just an easily manipulated idiot they see as an asset.

I had replies deleted in another thread because they were off topic.
.this thread isn't about your Trump delusions.

 

[beagle9]

Why are muslims allowed to have communities in this Christian nation????

This is an outrage!!!

If we allow them to live in communities, next, they are going to start building their own muslim devil churches...

Who allowed this to happen!!

You trust the Quran to be in existence in this nation along side of Christianity, otherwise if the Muslim religion is opposed to the Christian religion ???

its already been in existence along side Christianity since the nation existed -- and muslims have fought along side "Christians" since this nation existed -- just ask George Washington...

Where in the constitution does it say being a Muslim is not allowed? and did they mention any other religions?

Being a Muslim is allowed of course, but when Muslims begin killing American's, then it's not allowed. In the recent past we have had Muslim extremist killing American's in the name of Allah, and all due to their strong belief in the Quran that commands them to do such killings. If Muslims don't denounce this sort of thing when it happens, and they don't make war as American's against those Muslims who are killing their fellow Americans, then Houston we have a problem.

 

[pinqy]

Why are muslims allowed to have communities in this Christian nation????

This is an outrage!!!

If we allow them to live in communities, next, they are going to start building their own muslim devil churches...

Who allowed this to happen!!

You trust the Quran to be in existence in this nation along side of Christianity, otherwise if the Muslim religion is opposed to the Christian religion ???

its already been in existence along side Christianity since the nation existed -- and muslims have fought along side "Christians" since this nation existed -- just ask George Washington...

Where in the constitution does it say being a Muslim is not allowed? and did they mention any other religions?

Being a Muslim is allowed of course, but when Muslims begin killing American's, then it's not allowed. In the recent past we have had Muslim extremist killing American's in the name of Allah, and all due to their strong belief in the Quran that commands them to do such killings. If Muslims don't denounce this sort of thing when it happens, and they don't make war as American's against those Muslims who are killing their fellow Americans, then Houston we have a problem.

So if Christians start killing Americans, or set bombs or assasinate people in the name of their God and for their religious beliefs, then we should ban Christianity?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

My objection is that I do not support neighborhood watches based upon identity, especially when that identity isideological in nature.

I don't support kkk community watches, communist community watches, westboro Baptist community watches or any other exclusionary watches.

They should be formed by members of a neighborhood without ideological filters .

 

[Aletheia4u]

So it's a community watch group run by Muslims. If they didn't exist people would complain that Muslims weren't taking part in community watch groups.

"These savages won't even take part in our community."

"We started a community watch group."

"These savages are trying to take over our community."

I have a hardcore right wing Facebook friend who "shares" every last fake news scare story she gets, literally eight to ten a day. Invariably, someone will say something like, "um, I checked that out, and it just isn't true". Doesn't slow her down a bit, she just keeps screaming.

Always fascinating to watch, and it explains how we've arrived at this place.
.

Well if it weren't for the fact that the media is planting stories to get everyone, not just rightwingers, to make fools of themselves, I would say you have a good point.
The reason for this is to keep everyone in the dark and at each other's throats.
So it's not just rightwingers that are overreacting.
Christ....Trump isn't a Russian agent....and getting rid of air travel is a pipe-dream.

I don’t think Trump is a Russian agent. But the problem with that is the way Trump protecting Putin.

He believed Putin more than his own chief intelligence that he hired. Then blast them in public. I mean who does that?
Then here comes his supporters. It’s cool no problem.

I don’t think this is news media problem.

Those were Obama's leftovers that he was forcibly have to choose. They has set him up. They calls him a White supremacist. And then give him a list of candidates to choose from that are predominately all White. Except for a few minorities that are leftover from Obama so that he has to choose them just to keep from being call a racist.


Trump's 21 potential court nominees are overwhelmingly white, male and from red states

 

[BULLDOG]

Why are muslims allowed to have communities in this Christian nation????

This is an outrage!!!

If we allow them to live in communities, next, they are going to start building their own muslim devil churches...

Who allowed this to happen!!

You trust the Quran to be in existence in this nation along side of Christianity, otherwise if the Muslim religion is opposed to the Christian religion ???

its already been in existence along side Christianity since the nation existed -- and muslims have fought along side "Christians" since this nation existed -- just ask George Washington...

Where in the constitution does it say being a Muslim is not allowed? and did they mention any other religions?

Being a Muslim is allowed of course, but when Muslims begin killing American's, then it's not allowed. In the recent past we have had Muslim extremist killing American's in the name of Allah, and all due to their strong belief in the Quran that commands them to do such killings. If Muslims don't denounce this sort of thing when it happens, and they don't make war as American's against those Muslims who are killing their fellow Americans, then Houston we have a problem.

So if Christians start killing Americans, or set bombs or assasinate people in the name of their God and for their religious beliefs, then we should ban Christianity?

1. Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012. The virulent, neocon-fueled Islamophobia that has plagued post-9/11 America has not only posed a threat to Muslims, it has had deadly consequences for people of other faiths, including Sikhs. Sikhs are not Muslims; the traditional Sikh attire, including their turbans, is different from traditional Sunni, Shiite or Sufi attire. But to a racist, a bearded Sikh looks like a Muslim. Only four days after 9/11, Balbir Singh Sodhi, a Sikh immigrant from India who owned a gas station in Mesa, Arizona, was murdered by Frank Silva Roque, a racist who obviously mistook him for a Muslim.

But Sodhi’s murder was not the last example of anti-Sikh violence in post-9/11 America. On Aug. 5, 2012, white supremacist Wade Michael Page used a semiautomatic weapon to murder six people during an attack on a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Page’s connection to the white supremacist movement was well-documented: he had been a member of the neo-Nazi rock bands End Empathy and Definite Hate. Attorney General Eric Holder described the attack as “an act of terrorism, an act of hatred.” It was good to see the nation’s top cop acknowledge that terrorist acts can, in fact, involve white males murdering people of color.

2. The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009. Imagine that a physician had been the victim of an attempted assassination by an Islamic jihadist in 1993, and received numerous death threats from al-Qaeda after that, before being murdered by an al-Qaeda member. Neocons, Fox News and the Christian Right would have had a field day. A physician was the victim of a terrorist killing that day, but neither the terrorist nor the people who inflamed the terrorist were Muslims. Dr. George Tiller, who was shot and killed by anti-abortion terrorist Scott Roeder on May 31, 2009, was a victim of Christian Right terrorism, not al-Qaeda.

Tiller had a long history of being targeted for violence by Christian Right terrorists. In 1986, his clinic was firebombed. Then, in 1993, Tiller was shot five times by female Christian Right terrorist Shelly Shannon (now serving time in a federal prison) but survived that attack. Given that Tiller had been the victim of an attempted murder and received countless death threats after that, Fox News would have done well to avoid fanning the flames of unrest. Instead, Bill O’Reilly repeatedly referred to him as “Tiller the baby killer." When Roeder murdered Tiller, O’Reilly condemned the attack but did so in a way that was lukewarm at best.

Keith Olbermann called O’Reilly out and denounced him as a “facilitator for domestic terrorism” and a “blindly irresponsible man.” And Crazy for Godauthor Frank Schaffer, who was formerly a figure on the Christian Right but has since become critical of that movement, asserted that the Christian Right’s extreme anti-abortion rhetoric “helped create the climate that made this murder likely to happen.” Neocon Ann Coulter, meanwhile, viewed Tiller’s murder as a source of comic relief, telling O’Reilly, “I don't really like to think of it as a murder. It was terminating Tiller in the 203rd trimester.” The Republican/neocon double standard when it comes to terrorism is obvious. At Fox News and AM neocon talk radio, Islamic terrorism is a source of nonstop fear-mongering, while Christian Right terrorism gets a pass.

3. Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008. On July 27, 2008, Christian Right sympathizer Jim David Adkisson walked into the Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee during a children’s play and began shooting people at random. Two were killed, while seven others were injured but survived. Adkisson said he was motivated by a hatred of liberals, Democrats and gays, and he considered neocon Bernard Goldberg’s book, 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America, his political manifesto. Adkisson (who pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder and is now serving life in prison without parole) was vehemently anti-abortion, but apparently committing an act of terrorism during a children’s play was good ol’ Republican family values. While Adkisson’s act of terrorism was reported on Fox News, it didn't get the round-the-clock coverage an act of Islamic terrorism would have garnered.

4. The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994. To hear the Christian Right tell it, there is no such thing as Christian terrorism. Tell that to the victims of the Army of God, a loose network of radical Christianists with a long history of terrorist attacks on abortion providers. One Christian Right terrorist with ties to the Army of God was Paul Jennings Hill, who was executed by lethal injection on Sept. 3, 2003 for the murders of abortion doctor John Britton and his bodyguard James Barrett. Hill shot both of them in cold blood and expressed no remorse whatsoever; he insisted he was doing’s God’s work and has been exalted as a martyr by the Army of God.

5. The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996. Paul Jennings Hill is hardly the only Christian terrorist who has been praised by the Army of God; that organization has also praised Eric Rudolph, who is serving life without parole for a long list of terrorist attacks committed in the name of Christianity. Rudolph is best known for carrying out the Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta during the 1996 Summer Olympics—a blast that killed spectator Alice Hawthorne and wounded 111 others. Hawthorne wasn’t the only person Rudolph murdered: his bombing of an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama in 1998 caused the death of Robert Sanderson (a Birmingham police officer and part-time security guard) and caused nurse Emily Lyons to lose an eye.

Rudolph’s other acts of Christian terrorism include bombing the Otherwise Lounge (a lesbian bar in Atlanta) in 1997 and an abortion clinic in an Atlanta suburb in 1997. Rudolph was no lone wolf: he was part of a terrorist movement that encouraged his violence. And the Army of God continues to exalt Rudolph as a brave Christian who is doing God’s work.

6. The murder of Barnett Slepian byJames Charles Kopp, Oct. 23, 1998. Like Paul Jennings Hill, Eric Rudolph and Scott Roeder, James Charles Kopp is a radical Christian terrorist who has been exalted as a hero by the Army of God. On Oct. 23, 1998 Kopp fired a single shot into the Amherst, NY home of Barnett Slepian (a doctor who performed abortions), mortally wounding him. Slepian died an hour later. Kopp later claimed he only meant to wound Slepian, not kill him. But Judge Michael D'Amico of Erin County, NY said that the killing was clearly premeditated and sentenced Kopp to 25 years to life. Kopp is a suspect in other anti-abortion terrorist attacks, including the non-fatal shootings of three doctors in Canada, though it appears unlikely that Kopp will be extradited to Canada to face any charges.

7. Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994. Seldom has the term “Christian terrorist” been used in connection with John C. Salvi on AM talk radio or at Fox News, but it’s a term that easily applies to him. In 1994, the radical anti-abortionist and Army of God member attacked a Planned Parenthood clinic in Brookline, Massachusetts, shooting and killing receptionists Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols and wounding several others. Salvi was found dead in his prison cell in 1996, and his death was ruled a suicide. The Army of God has exalted Salvi as a Christian martyr and described Lowney and Nichols not as victims of domestic terrorism, but as infidels who got what they deserved. The Rev. Donald Spitz, a Christianist and Army of God supporter who is so extreme that even the radical anti-abortion group Operation Rescue disassociated itself from him, has praised Salvi as well.



8. Suicide attack on IRS building in Austin, Texas, Feb. 18, 2010. When Joseph Stack flew a plane into the Echelon office complex (where an IRS office was located), Fox News’ coverage of the incident was calm and matter-of-fact. Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa seemed to find the attack amusing and joked that it could have been avoided if the federal government had followed his advice and abolished the IRS. Nonetheless, there were two fatalities: Stack and IRS employee Vernon Hunter. Stack left behind a rambling suicide note outlining his reasons for the attack, which included a disdain for the IRS as well as total disgust with health insurance companies and bank bailouts. Some of the most insightful coverage of the incident came from Noam Chomsky, who said that while Stack had some legitimate grievances—millions of Americans shared his outrage over bank bailouts and the practices of health insurance companies—the way he expressed them was absolutely wrong.

9. The murder of Alan Berg, June 18, 1984. One of the most absurd claims some Republicans have made about white supremacists is that they are liberals and progressives. That claim is especially ludicrous in light of the terrorist killing of liberal Denver-based talk show host Alan Berg, a critic of white supremacists who was killed with an automatic weapon on June 18, 1984. The killing was linked to members of the Order, a white supremacist group that had marked Berg for death. Order members David Lane (a former Ku Klux Klan member who had also been active in the Aryan Nations) and Bruce Pierce were both convicted in federal court on charges of racketeering, conspiracy and violating Berg’s civil rights and given what amounted to life sentences.

Robert Matthews, who founded the Order, got that name from a fictional group in white supremacist William Luther Pierce’s anti-Semitic 1978 novel, The Turner Diaries—a book Timothy McVeigh was quite fond of. The novel’s fictional account of the destruction of a government building has been described as the inspiration for the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995.



10. Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995.Neocons and Republicans grow angry and uncomfortable whenever Timothy McVeigh is cited as an example of a non-Islamic terrorist. Pointing out that a non-Muslim white male carried out an attack as vicious and deadly as the Oklahoma City bombing doesn’t fit into their narrative that only Muslims and people of color are capable of carrying out terrorist attacks. Neocons will claim that bringing up McVeigh’s name during a discussion of terrorism is a “red herring” that distracts us from fighting radical Islamists, but that downplays the cruel, destructive nature of the attack.

Prior to the al-Qaeda attacks of 9/11, the Oklahoma City bombing McVeigh orchestrated was the most deadly terrorist attack in U.S. history: 168 people were killed and more than 600 were injured. When McVeigh drove a truck filled with explosives into the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, his goal was to kill as many people as possible. Clearly, McVeigh was not motivated by radical Islam; rather, he was motivated by an extreme hatred for the U.S. government and saw the attack as revenge for the Ruby Ridge incident of 1992 and the Waco Siege in 1993. He had white supremacist leanings as well (when he was in the U.S. Army, McVeigh was reprimanded for wearing a “white power” T-shirt he had bought at a KKK demonstration). McVeigh was executed on June 11, 2001. He should have served life without parole instead, as a living reminder of the type of viciousness the extreme right is capable of.

 

[beagle9]

Decades ago i lived in a city so overrun with the 'boat people' they had to hire asian cops that spoke their lauguage.

they did their job(s) well

the same w/any given influx throughout our history

nothing to see here......

~S~

Assimilation is paramont to the survival of our nation, our cultures, and our ways of life.

This nation has been slipping badly on the assimilation front (as if it is a bad thing to expect people to at least except some of the American ways when they come here), you know like language, becoming lovers of our American freedoms, freedom of compatible religion's, supporting good capitalism, liberty, American justice, American democracy, and our flag over other forms of bad ideologies or poorly run systems out in the world for which they had known, and had sought to leave behind or did they seek to leave such systems behind ?

It is that some may be coming here to actually spread their ideologies, and their nationalisms/world systems instead of adapting to ours here. It is a problem.

The ONLY cultures that have assimilated are some European ones.
You can't say that about any Asian or African or latin or muslim cultures.
Everyone of these cultures lives in it's own little box.
Want proof? Visit any 'Chinatown' in the US. Visit Dearborn (please do not take any female family members with you).

Have to becareful not to stereotype the above mentioned as not assimilating into the American culture as individuals who are Asians, Latinos, Africans etc.

If we don't take the nessesary time to recognize their voluntary assimilation as individuals, who just so happen to be from those races, then we become racist who would deny those other than ourselves to come live here with us.

So we must recognize individuals who want to be Americans, (and choose to assimilate themselves as such), of course as being American when this happens. Wouldn't you agree ?

I have known some great Americans from other races.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Decades ago i lived in a city so overrun with the 'boat people' they had to hire asian cops that spoke their lauguage.

they did their job(s) well

the same w/any given influx throughout our history

nothing to see here......

~S~

So it's a community watch group run by Muslims. If they didn't exist people would complain that Muslims weren't taking part in community watch groups.

"These savages won't even take part in our community."

"We started a community watch group."

"These savages are trying to take over our community."

I have a hardcore right wing Facebook friend who "shares" every last fake news scare story she gets, literally eight to ten a day. Invariably, someone will say something like, "um, I checked that out, and it just isn't true". Doesn't slow her down a bit, she just keeps screaming.

Always fascinating to watch, and it explains how we've arrived at this place.
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Well what you aren't getting possibly, is that your friend probably has seen enough evidence of these things out in the real world (taking in the bigger picture always), and that otherwise isn't fake, that it is easy to sway her with stories that might have a few untruths built within them yes, and yes the facts if any may have been hyped up for maximim impact, but the storyline or patterns still remain the same for which she has seen or has been exposed to countless times, in which has been played out in real life time and time again in front of her.

Once the Average American jury pool has finally been swayed, it's very hard to win them back.

The nation's average citizens have been, attacked relentlessly, tramatized, desensitized, and destabilized by the left in this country...

The enjoyment of the fruits of the leftist labor (if one is inspired by or does aspire to the leftist dogma, and to their ideology in this country), has become a problem that runs far more rampant and deep than any so called right-wing propaganda has or will ever do in the country.

A justification for spreading lies to people who gobble them up and spread them further.

Got it, thanks.
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All the stuff about sharia aside, what is your opinion on having Muslims patrolling neighborhoods filled with Jewish people?

If I were .A Jewish person living in Brooklyn, I would be VERY concerned with that. Western Europe has become very dangerous for Jewish people due to Islam .

 

[aaronleland]

So it's a community watch group run by Muslims. If they didn't exist people would complain that Muslims weren't taking part in community watch groups.

"These savages won't even take part in our community."

"We started a community watch group."

"These savages are trying to take over our community."

Remember how angry democrats were about Zimmerman doing the exact same thing?

No. That's not even remotely the same thing.

Oh, it very much is. The left repeatedly said "he should have never been out patrolling that night in the first place, he isnt a cop".

No. Most people were saying he shouldn't have been following some alleged perp like he was Batman. He was some chubby asshole with a gun.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Being a Muslim is allowed of course, but when Muslims begin killing American's, then it's not allowed

Also, when they INTIMIDATE Americans, and even Muslims who don't follow Sharia the way they interpret Sharia, then they are violating the rights of Americans. Sharia patrols must not be allowed in America (except in liberal enclaves -- they deserve it)

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Interesting the volunteers can't just be part of a community patrol that is more inclusive.

 

[pinqy]

Why are muslims allowed to have communities in this Christian nation????

This is an outrage!!!

If we allow them to live in communities, next, they are going to start building their own muslim devil churches...

Who allowed this to happen!!

You trust the Quran to be in existence in this nation along side of Christianity, otherwise if the Muslim religion is opposed to the Christian religion ???

its already been in existence along side Christianity since the nation existed -- and muslims have fought along side "Christians" since this nation existed -- just ask George Washington...

Where in the constitution does it say being a Muslim is not allowed? and did they mention any other religions?

Being a Muslim is allowed of course, but when Muslims begin killing American's, then it's not allowed. In the recent past we have had Muslim extremist killing American's in the name of Allah, and all due to their strong belief in the Quran that commands them to do such killings. If Muslims don't denounce this sort of thing when it happens, and they don't make war as American's against those Muslims who are killing their fellow Americans, then Houston we have a problem.

So if Christians start killing Americans, or set bombs or assasinate people in the name of their God and for their religious beliefs, then we should ban Christianity?

1. Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012. The virulent, neocon-fueled Islamophobia that has plagued post-9/11 America has not only posed a threat to Muslims, it has had deadly consequences for people of other faiths, including Sikhs. Sikhs are not Muslims; the traditional Sikh attire, including their turbans, is different from traditional Sunni, Shiite or Sufi attire. But to a racist, a bearded Sikh looks like a Muslim. Only four days after 9/11, Balbir Singh Sodhi, a Sikh immigrant from India who owned a gas station in Mesa, Arizona, was murdered by Frank Silva Roque, a racist who obviously mistook him for a Muslim.

But Sodhi’s murder was not the last example of anti-Sikh violence in post-9/11 America. On Aug. 5, 2012, white supremacist Wade Michael Page used a semiautomatic weapon to murder six people during an attack on a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Page’s connection to the white supremacist movement was well-documented: he had been a member of the neo-Nazi rock bands End Empathy and Definite Hate. Attorney General Eric Holder described the attack as “an act of terrorism, an act of hatred.” It was good to see the nation’s top cop acknowledge that terrorist acts can, in fact, involve white males murdering people of color.

2. The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009. Imagine that a physician had been the victim of an attempted assassination by an Islamic jihadist in 1993, and received numerous death threats from al-Qaeda after that, before being murdered by an al-Qaeda member. Neocons, Fox News and the Christian Right would have had a field day. A physician was the victim of a terrorist killing that day, but neither the terrorist nor the people who inflamed the terrorist were Muslims. Dr. George Tiller, who was shot and killed by anti-abortion terrorist Scott Roeder on May 31, 2009, was a victim of Christian Right terrorism, not al-Qaeda.

Tiller had a long history of being targeted for violence by Christian Right terrorists. In 1986, his clinic was firebombed. Then, in 1993, Tiller was shot five times by female Christian Right terrorist Shelly Shannon (now serving time in a federal prison) but survived that attack. Given that Tiller had been the victim of an attempted murder and received countless death threats after that, Fox News would have done well to avoid fanning the flames of unrest. Instead, Bill O’Reilly repeatedly referred to him as “Tiller the baby killer." When Roeder murdered Tiller, O’Reilly condemned the attack but did so in a way that was lukewarm at best.

Keith Olbermann called O’Reilly out and denounced him as a “facilitator for domestic terrorism” and a “blindly irresponsible man.” And Crazy for Godauthor Frank Schaffer, who was formerly a figure on the Christian Right but has since become critical of that movement, asserted that the Christian Right’s extreme anti-abortion rhetoric “helped create the climate that made this murder likely to happen.” Neocon Ann Coulter, meanwhile, viewed Tiller’s murder as a source of comic relief, telling O’Reilly, “I don't really like to think of it as a murder. It was terminating Tiller in the 203rd trimester.” The Republican/neocon double standard when it comes to terrorism is obvious. At Fox News and AM neocon talk radio, Islamic terrorism is a source of nonstop fear-mongering, while Christian Right terrorism gets a pass.

3. Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008. On July 27, 2008, Christian Right sympathizer Jim David Adkisson walked into the Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee during a children’s play and began shooting people at random. Two were killed, while seven others were injured but survived. Adkisson said he was motivated by a hatred of liberals, Democrats and gays, and he considered neocon Bernard Goldberg’s book, 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America, his political manifesto. Adkisson (who pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder and is now serving life in prison without parole) was vehemently anti-abortion, but apparently committing an act of terrorism during a children’s play was good ol’ Republican family values. While Adkisson’s act of terrorism was reported on Fox News, it didn't get the round-the-clock coverage an act of Islamic terrorism would have garnered.

4. The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994. To hear the Christian Right tell it, there is no such thing as Christian terrorism. Tell that to the victims of the Army of God, a loose network of radical Christianists with a long history of terrorist attacks on abortion providers. One Christian Right terrorist with ties to the Army of God was Paul Jennings Hill, who was executed by lethal injection on Sept. 3, 2003 for the murders of abortion doctor John Britton and his bodyguard James Barrett. Hill shot both of them in cold blood and expressed no remorse whatsoever; he insisted he was doing’s God’s work and has been exalted as a martyr by the Army of God.

5. The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996. Paul Jennings Hill is hardly the only Christian terrorist who has been praised by the Army of God; that organization has also praised Eric Rudolph, who is serving life without parole for a long list of terrorist attacks committed in the name of Christianity. Rudolph is best known for carrying out the Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta during the 1996 Summer Olympics—a blast that killed spectator Alice Hawthorne and wounded 111 others. Hawthorne wasn’t the only person Rudolph murdered: his bombing of an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama in 1998 caused the death of Robert Sanderson (a Birmingham police officer and part-time security guard) and caused nurse Emily Lyons to lose an eye.

Rudolph’s other acts of Christian terrorism include bombing the Otherwise Lounge (a lesbian bar in Atlanta) in 1997 and an abortion clinic in an Atlanta suburb in 1997. Rudolph was no lone wolf: he was part of a terrorist movement that encouraged his violence. And the Army of God continues to exalt Rudolph as a brave Christian who is doing God’s work.

6. The murder of Barnett Slepian byJames Charles Kopp, Oct. 23, 1998. Like Paul Jennings Hill, Eric Rudolph and Scott Roeder, James Charles Kopp is a radical Christian terrorist who has been exalted as a hero by the Army of God. On Oct. 23, 1998 Kopp fired a single shot into the Amherst, NY home of Barnett Slepian (a doctor who performed abortions), mortally wounding him. Slepian died an hour later. Kopp later claimed he only meant to wound Slepian, not kill him. But Judge Michael D'Amico of Erin County, NY said that the killing was clearly premeditated and sentenced Kopp to 25 years to life. Kopp is a suspect in other anti-abortion terrorist attacks, including the non-fatal shootings of three doctors in Canada, though it appears unlikely that Kopp will be extradited to Canada to face any charges.

7. Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994. Seldom has the term “Christian terrorist” been used in connection with John C. Salvi on AM talk radio or at Fox News, but it’s a term that easily applies to him. In 1994, the radical anti-abortionist and Army of God member attacked a Planned Parenthood clinic in Brookline, Massachusetts, shooting and killing receptionists Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols and wounding several others. Salvi was found dead in his prison cell in 1996, and his death was ruled a suicide. The Army of God has exalted Salvi as a Christian martyr and described Lowney and Nichols not as victims of domestic terrorism, but as infidels who got what they deserved. The Rev. Donald Spitz, a Christianist and Army of God supporter who is so extreme that even the radical anti-abortion group Operation Rescue disassociated itself from him, has praised Salvi as well.



8. Suicide attack on IRS building in Austin, Texas, Feb. 18, 2010. When Joseph Stack flew a plane into the Echelon office complex (where an IRS office was located), Fox News’ coverage of the incident was calm and matter-of-fact. Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa seemed to find the attack amusing and joked that it could have been avoided if the federal government had followed his advice and abolished the IRS. Nonetheless, there were two fatalities: Stack and IRS employee Vernon Hunter. Stack left behind a rambling suicide note outlining his reasons for the attack, which included a disdain for the IRS as well as total disgust with health insurance companies and bank bailouts. Some of the most insightful coverage of the incident came from Noam Chomsky, who said that while Stack had some legitimate grievances—millions of Americans shared his outrage over bank bailouts and the practices of health insurance companies—the way he expressed them was absolutely wrong.

9. The murder of Alan Berg, June 18, 1984. One of the most absurd claims some Republicans have made about white supremacists is that they are liberals and progressives. That claim is especially ludicrous in light of the terrorist killing of liberal Denver-based talk show host Alan Berg, a critic of white supremacists who was killed with an automatic weapon on June 18, 1984. The killing was linked to members of the Order, a white supremacist group that had marked Berg for death. Order members David Lane (a former Ku Klux Klan member who had also been active in the Aryan Nations) and Bruce Pierce were both convicted in federal court on charges of racketeering, conspiracy and violating Berg’s civil rights and given what amounted to life sentences.

Robert Matthews, who founded the Order, got that name from a fictional group in white supremacist William Luther Pierce’s anti-Semitic 1978 novel, The Turner Diaries—a book Timothy McVeigh was quite fond of. The novel’s fictional account of the destruction of a government building has been described as the inspiration for the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995.



10. Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995.Neocons and Republicans grow angry and uncomfortable whenever Timothy McVeigh is cited as an example of a non-Islamic terrorist. Pointing out that a non-Muslim white male carried out an attack as vicious and deadly as the Oklahoma City bombing doesn’t fit into their narrative that only Muslims and people of color are capable of carrying out terrorist attacks. Neocons will claim that bringing up McVeigh’s name during a discussion of terrorism is a “red herring” that distracts us from fighting radical Islamists, but that downplays the cruel, destructive nature of the attack.

Prior to the al-Qaeda attacks of 9/11, the Oklahoma City bombing McVeigh orchestrated was the most deadly terrorist attack in U.S. history: 168 people were killed and more than 600 were injured. When McVeigh drove a truck filled with explosives into the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, his goal was to kill as many people as possible. Clearly, McVeigh was not motivated by radical Islam; rather, he was motivated by an extreme hatred for the U.S. government and saw the attack as revenge for the Ruby Ridge incident of 1992 and the Waco Siege in 1993. He had white supremacist leanings as well (when he was in the U.S. Army, McVeigh was reprimanded for wearing a “white power” T-shirt he had bought at a KKK demonstration). McVeigh was executed on June 11, 2001. He should have served life without parole instead, as a living reminder of the type of viciousness the extreme right is capable of.

I was going to wait u til someone denied it before posting incidents, but you were more thorough than I would have been

 

[Godboy]

So it's a community watch group run by Muslims. If they didn't exist people would complain that Muslims weren't taking part in community watch groups.

"These savages won't even take part in our community."

"We started a community watch group."

"These savages are trying to take over our community."

Remember how angry democrats were about Zimmerman doing the exact same thing?

No. That's not even remotely the same thing.

Oh, it very much is. The left repeatedly said "he should have never been out patrolling that night in the first place, he isnt a cop".

No. Most people were saying he shouldn't have been following some alleged perp like he was Batman. He was some chubby asshole with a gun.

Maybe, but at least he put down a violent criminal, so he has that going for him.

 

[beagle9]

So it's a community watch group run by Muslims. If they didn't exist people would complain that Muslims weren't taking part in community watch groups.

"These savages won't even take part in our community."

"We started a community watch group."

"These savages are trying to take over our community."

I have a hardcore right wing Facebook friend who "shares" every last fake news scare story she gets, literally eight to ten a day. Invariably, someone will say something like, "um, I checked that out, and it just isn't true". Doesn't slow her down a bit, she just keeps screaming.

Always fascinating to watch, and it explains how we've arrived at this place.
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Well if it weren't for the fact that the media is planting stories to get everyone, not just rightwingers, to make fools of themselves, I would say you have a good point.
The reason for this is to keep everyone in the dark and at each other's throats.
So it's not just rightwingers that are overreacting.
Christ....Trump isn't a Russian agent....and getting rid of air travel is a pipe-dream.

I don’t think Trump is a Russian agent. But the problem with that is the way Trump protecting Putin.

He believed Putin more than his own chief intelligence that he hired. Then blast them in public. I mean who does that?
Then here comes his supporters. It’s cool no problem.

I don’t think this is news media problem.

Russia wouldn't want someone that stupid as an agent. He's just an easily manipulated idiot they see as an asset.

And the said part when it comes to news media like Fox News.
You will rarely see those kind of Trumps bad behaviors.

Like Ivanka Trump spoke against family separation at the borders. Fox never broadcast that ridiculous policies.

I watch both Fox and CNN for comparisons.

You have an accent, what is it if I may ask ?

 

[22lcidw]

Why are muslims allowed to have communities in this Christian nation????

This is an outrage!!!

If we allow them to live in communities, next, they are going to start building their own muslim devil churches...

Who allowed this to happen!!

You trust the Quran to be in existence in this nation along side of Christianity, otherwise if the Muslim religion is opposed to the Christian religion ???

its already been in existence along side Christianity since the nation existed -- and muslims have fought along side "Christians" since this nation existed -- just ask George Washington...

Where in the constitution does it say being a Muslim is not allowed? and did they mention any other religions?

Being a Muslim is allowed of course, but when Muslims begin killing American's, then it's not allowed. In the recent past we have had Muslim extremist killing American's in the name of Allah, and all due to their strong belief in the Quran that commands them to do such killings. If Muslims don't denounce this sort of thing when it happens, and they don't make war as American's against those Muslims who are killing their fellow Americans, then Houston we have a problem.

So if Christians start killing Americans, or set bombs or assasinate people in the name of their God and for their religious beliefs, then we should ban Christianity?

Where is that happening? And according to Biblical scripture they will get blamed for everything anyway.

 

[beagle9]

Why are muslims allowed to have communities in this Christian nation????

This is an outrage!!!

If we allow them to live in communities, next, they are going to start building their own muslim devil churches...

Who allowed this to happen!!

You trust the Quran to be in existence in this nation along side of Christianity, otherwise if the Muslim religion is opposed to the Christian religion ???

its already been in existence along side Christianity since the nation existed -- and muslims have fought along side "Christians" since this nation existed -- just ask George Washington...

Where in the constitution does it say being a Muslim is not allowed? and did they mention any other religions?

Being a Muslim is allowed of course, but when Muslims begin killing American's, then it's not allowed. In the recent past we have had Muslim extremist killing American's in the name of Allah, and all due to their strong belief in the Quran that commands them to do such killings. If Muslims don't denounce this sort of thing when it happens, and they don't make war as American's against those Muslims who are killing their fellow Americans, then Houston we have a problem.

So if Christians start killing Americans, or set bombs or assasinate people in the name of their God and for their religious beliefs, then we should ban Christianity?

How dumb are you ?? American christian's have always called out or denounced other American's (regardless of their religious beliefs) being (only by admittance but not by actions), a so called Christian if killing other American's under the fake title they assume while doing so. Try again Skippy.

 

[bodecea]

So it's a community watch group run by Muslims. If they didn't exist people would complain that Muslims weren't taking part in community watch groups.

"These savages won't even take part in our community."

"We started a community watch group."

"These savages are trying to take over our community."

I have a hardcore right wing Facebook friend who "shares" every last fake news scare story she gets, literally eight to ten a day. Invariably, someone will say something like, "um, I checked that out, and it just isn't true". Doesn't slow her down a bit, she just keeps screaming.

Always fascinating to watch, and it explains how we've arrived at this place.
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Mindwars?

 

[beagle9]

Decades ago i lived in a city so overrun with the 'boat people' they had to hire asian cops that spoke their lauguage.

they did their job(s) well

the same w/any given influx throughout our history

nothing to see here......

~S~

So it's a community watch group run by Muslims. If they didn't exist people would complain that Muslims weren't taking part in community watch groups.

"These savages won't even take part in our community."

"We started a community watch group."

"These savages are trying to take over our community."

I have a hardcore right wing Facebook friend who "shares" every last fake news scare story she gets, literally eight to ten a day. Invariably, someone will say something like, "um, I checked that out, and it just isn't true". Doesn't slow her down a bit, she just keeps screaming.

Always fascinating to watch, and it explains how we've arrived at this place.
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Well what you aren't getting possibly, is that your friend probably has seen enough evidence of these things out in the real world (taking in the bigger picture always), and that otherwise isn't fake, that it is easy to sway her with stories that might have a few untruths built within them yes, and yes the facts if any may have been hyped up for maximim impact, but the storyline or patterns still remain the same for which she has seen or has been exposed to countless times, in which has been played out in real life time and time again in front of her.

Once the Average American jury pool has finally been swayed, it's very hard to win them back.

The nation's average citizens have been, attacked relentlessly, tramatized, desensitized, and destabilized by the left in this country...

The enjoyment of the fruits of the leftist labor (if one is inspired by or does aspire to the leftist dogma, and to their ideology in this country), has become a problem that runs far more rampant and deep than any so called right-wing propaganda has or will ever do in the country.

A justification for spreading lies to people who gobble them up and spread them further.

Got it, thanks.
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All the stuff about sharia aside, what is your opinion on having Muslims patrolling neighborhoods filled with Jewish people?

If I were .A Jewish person living in Brooklyn, I would be VERY concerned with that. Western Europe has become very dangerous for Jewish people due to Islam .

How does one impersonate a police officer anyway ? Thought it was against the law in America ??