Sex is only for the rich in the US

[frigidweirdo]

From a Masters thesis:

The results show there is no significant difference in teenage pregnancy rates or teenage birth rates between states that require public high schools to provide sex or STD/HIV education programs and those that do not. There was also no significant difference between states that provide comprehensive sex education and those that provide abstinence-only or abstinence-based sex education.However, the results did show factors such as race and median household income have a significant impact on teenage pregnancy rates and teenage birth rates.
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Education doesn't work. It's not a problem of lack of education, it's a problem of race, as is so much in America.

From the same thesis

"Three general themes have been identified throughout the research on this topic. (1) public high schools can be a valuable resource for information on sex; (2) public high schools’ sex education programs can help delay the early/frequent initiation of sexual behavior, or 6 increase contraceptive use; and (3) in order for a public high school sex education program to be effective, it must be based on a theoretical approach that demonstrates a positive impact on teenage sex behaviors. If a public high school sex education program is based on a theoretical framework, it will be more effective at producing intended outcomes (Saunders, 2005). Positive behavior change is defined as any behavior that can prevent teenage pregnancy, whether that be abstaining from sex or increasing the use of contraceptives. "

"According to Kost et al. (2010), the following are the five states with the highest rates of teenage pregnancy in 2005: New Mexico (93), Nevada (90), Arizona (89), Texas (88), and Mississippi (85). Of the states with the highest rates of teenage pregnancy, only Nevada mandates sex education (Guttmacher Institute, 2005). "

"The five states with the lowest rates of teenage pregnancy were: New Hampshire (33), Vermont (40), Maine (43), Minnesota
(43), North Dakota (45) (Kost et al., 2010). Of the states with the lowest rates of teenage 8 pregnancy North Dakota is the only state that does not mandate sex education (Guttmacher Institute, 2005). "

"One of the biggest reasons for the decrease in teenage pregnancy rates is improved contraceptive use (Santelli, Lindberg, Finer, & Singh, 2007). In developed countries where teenage pregnancy rates are lower, the availability and use of contraceptives has been a key indicator of teenage pregnancy rates. "

"Of the states that mandate sex education, public high schools that stress abstinence have some of the highest levels of teenage pregnancy (Kost et al., 2010). Arizona, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Texas all require that abstinence be stressed in sex education classes and those states have some of the highest rates of teenage pregnancy (Kost et al., 2010). Teenage sexual behavior may be influenced by the types of sex education programs in place in public high schools."

"Laws restricting minors’ access to oral contraceptive services may be a contributing factor to higher teenage pregnancy rates. "
"The total mean teenage birth rate was lower in states that mandated STD/HIV education. The analysis indicated that the mean teenage birth rate for Blacks and Whites was lower among states that mandated STD/HIV education. Among Hispanic teenagers, the mean teenage birth rate was higher among states that mandated STD/HIV education."

This is interesting. I wonder how much religion has a part to play, Hispanics generally being Catholic which views sex as bad. Also I wonder how much of it has to do with geography and things like that. This thesis doesn't explain.

" A high median household income was attributed with a decrease in teenage pregnancy rates and teenage birth rates."

"Of those same 29 states, the mean teenage birth rate was lowest in states categorized as comprehensive which is defined as a state that covers abstinence and contraception. These results are consistent with Kirby (2007) who concluded that there was no strong evidence for the effectiveness of abstinence-only education programs."

"The mean teenage pregnancy rate was highest among states that were categorized as abstinence-only. "


So, to sum up your source.

Abstinence only doesn't work, education that includes talking about contraception works the best. Education works.

Just a little tip: It might be worth READING your sources before you actually post them.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Tell that to teenagers who haven't had any sex ed.

That's the job of their parents. If the parents don't do it then maybe THEY would like to pay to support their grandkids instead if making ME do it

Well clearly there's a problem here. Because parents aren't doing it.

It's so simple saying things are a parent's job. Problem is society is falling down because parents aren't doing their job.

So what are you going to do about it? A) Make parents do their job by sticking them in prison, taking away their children and putting them in homes, where they'll have to be taught by others. B) Having schools teach, which is the most effective and cheapest way or C) do nothing and see society slide further into the abyss?

 

[frigidweirdo]

So in your neighborhood a whore is promoted over a Christian in beliefs and the government is at fault for a 13 year old getting pregnant.

If only the government provided better birth control instead of actually teaching this girl sleeping with every guy that comes down the sidewalk our problems would be solved right?

How did this 13 year old get pregnant? There aren't many 13 year old boys that could do that. So who is the pedophile in your neighborhood?

Promoting? Who's promoting?

It's about educating children so they can master the world, so they don't make the same mistakes that have been made for a long time.

The boy was also 13. Pedophile? No. Did he get arrested? No.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I agree, sex is normal and natural. And it comes with consequences. Which is exactly what Christianity is educating you on. Maybe it isn't just your sex drive that let's your freak flag fly once you consider having the child in this mix of a night with some drunk guy or girl.

You seem to think the best option for the poor, and I do notice you consider them an entirely seperate group from your enlightened status as the protector of the poor is they will have sex with absolutely anyone at the drop of a hat and need our funding for contraceptives. All the while calling what Christianity rubbish because we preach that maybe it's best not to let yourself fall into that moment in the first place.

You're promoting having sex by taking away education, the education that sex leads to child birth and is a burden and should not be taken lightly. There is no burden in getting contraceptives anywhere in this country. You are creating a burden on people trying to educate people on what that may result in. That being pregnancy or disease if you have no self control.

If you actually wanted to help the poor one of the best things you could do is promoting Christianity. It comes without a government handout and is more effective than just screwing whoever comes along with government provided birth control.

The loss of morals and Christian standards is the major cause of these problems. Government handouts can never counter that loss no matter how much money you throw at it.

Amazing how you took what I said and made this from that, like chalk and cheese.

We're talking about human beings who DO HAVE UNDERAGE SEX. It happens. It happens to the rich and the poor, more likely to the poor.

I'm not going to pretend there is a different reality to the one that exists. This stuff happens. And it happens because we're humans.

As for taking away education blah blah, what are you talking about? Nothing you have said matches anything I said.

 

[frigidweirdo]

BBC News - Recreational sex is a rich person s game

"The US doesn't want poor people to have sex. Or rather, it has instituted policies that deny the economically disadvantaged easy access to low-cost birth control, either through insurance or publicly funded family planning programmes.'

""By process of elimination, the solution for low-income people is to never, ever have sex," she says. Enforced celibacy, it seems, is the hoped-for outcome."

"
While some on the right welcome what they see as a trend towards valuing virginity among teen girls, Rampell calls this kind of logic "magical thinking":

"The belief that we can get entire classes of Americans to practise abstinence until they're financially ready for marriage and children is a right-wing delusion on par with the left-wing delusions that go into socialism: both rely on a fundamental miscalculation about human nature. If the socialists wished to legislate away self-interest, the moralists wish to legislate away libido."

She concludes that it's just another example of the two Americas that live separate and side-by side, rich and poor."

you have a right to pursue happiness. you have no right to demand that you neighbors and taxpayers provide it.

Which is why none of this (if you bothered to read it) is about the govt paying for contraceptives.

When will people learn to read?

 

[DigitalDrifter]

So I haven't read this whole hilarious thread, but at some point did it morph into "the rich don't want poor people to have sex" ?

 

[Anathema]

So what are you going to do about it? A) Make parents do their job by sticking them in prison, taking away their children and putting them in homes, where they'll have to be taught by others. B) Having schools teach, which is the most effective and cheapest way or C) do nothing and see society slide further into the abyss?

D. Stop providing financial and material support to these teenagers who cannot abide by basic morals and values. Maybe seeing their best friend starve to death on the streets will get it through these kids heads that improper decisions csn have fatal consequences.

 

[NLT]

Yes most of the US wants people to have responsible sex.
Some how liberals, blacks and hispanics cant figure that out.

responsible sex? Who has responsible sex? Sounds like "oh dear, you pull down your pants and will do it for a few minutes in the corner" "oh, okay dear, would you like a cup of tea while we do it too?"

God sakes, responsible sex!!!!

Hey dumbass, responsible sex is not making fucking nappy headed rug rats every time you fuck a ho, rug rats that grow up with no father and end up as thugs or welfare queens.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So what are you going to do about it? A) Make parents do their job by sticking them in prison, taking away their children and putting them in homes, where they'll have to be taught by others. B) Having schools teach, which is the most effective and cheapest way or C) do nothing and see society slide further into the abyss?

D. Stop providing financial and material support to these teenagers who cannot abide by basic morals and values. Maybe seeing their best friend starve to death on the streets will get it through these kids heads that improper decisions csn have fatal consequences.

if you want them to abide by morals and values, then you have to teach it to them, and then people will rebel, it's part of growing up.

How would people starving to death make them learn proper morals?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Hey dumbass, responsible sex is not making fucking nappy headed rug rats every time you fuck a ho, rug rats that grow up with no father and end up as thugs or welfare queens.

Couldn't see the humor there huh?

Jeez.

The point being that to be responsible, you have to be educated in it.

 

[Roadrunner]

Her column is idiotic. My reluctance to not make myself poorer has nothing to do with wanting to stop poor people from having sex, I just don't want to pay for it. Sell your iPhone or your sneakers and go buy some condoms yourself. Go get your tubes tied.

With reproductive freedom comes responsibility. If you're adult enough to have sex, then you're adult enough to pay for birth control.

How un-American.

People need food stamps, welfare and free BC to free up their available cash for tattoos.

 

[Roadrunner]

Christianity does not disdain sex. Christianity disdains perversion.

Condums are available in every drug store, convenience store, and gas station in the country. If you can't afford $1 for a condum then you have no business screwing. You libs are so full of shit.

And sex is perversion? So goes the tune.

Answer this question. Why do you think STD rates, teenage pregnancy rates are higher in areas with lower education levels and lower average income.

Does a 14 year old have any business screwing around? Not really.

Do they do it? Definitely. Damn, in my area a girl was preggers at 13.

I taught school.

I've seen dozens of 11 and 12 years old pregnant students.

 

[Roadrunner]

Rich or Poor should not make any difference. The criteria for engaging in any level of sexual intercourse us simple. ....

Are both parties of age to make potentially life changing decisions?

Are both parties prepared to accept the potential physical, emotional and financial consequences of the sexual act?

Are both parties consenting to the act?

So long as those three criteria are met, go right ahead. HOWEVER, this should also mean no abortions and no Government aid if a child us produced.

The point the article makes is this. Firstly, people are going to have sex, it's natural. Forget the rubbish Christianity has attempted to impose on us, sex is normal, it's natural.
Secondly, the US promotes not having sex by taking away education and access to contraception.

In doing so it leaves the poor and often under-educated up the duff more than they would probably like to be, it leaves them with diseases they'd probably not have.

Christianity does not disdain sex. Christianity disdains perversion.

Condums are available in every drug store, convenience store, and gas station in the country. If you can't afford $1 for a condum then you have no business screwing. You libs are so full of shit.

Black men in general refuse to use condoms.

Or so my students told me.

"Like taking a shower in a raincoat".

 

[Antares]

Fridge let's just cut to the chase, why don't you sit down and make a list of everything you think we should pay for for you.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Fridge let's just cut to the chase, why don't you sit down and make a list of everything you think we should pay for for you.

Where, in this whole thread, did I say anyone should pay for anything?

 

[RKMBrown]

BBC News - Recreational sex is a rich person s game

"The US doesn't want poor people to have sex. Or rather, it has instituted policies that deny the economically disadvantaged easy access to low-cost birth control, either through insurance or publicly funded family planning programmes.'

""By process of elimination, the solution for low-income people is to never, ever have sex," she says. Enforced celibacy, it seems, is the hoped-for outcome."

"
While some on the right welcome what they see as a trend towards valuing virginity among teen girls, Rampell calls this kind of logic "magical thinking":

"The belief that we can get entire classes of Americans to practise abstinence until they're financially ready for marriage and children is a right-wing delusion on par with the left-wing delusions that go into socialism: both rely on a fundamental miscalculation about human nature. If the socialists wished to legislate away self-interest, the moralists wish to legislate away libido."

She concludes that it's just another example of the two Americas that live separate and side-by side, rich and poor."

ROFL if I don't pay you to have sex.... I'm forcing you to abstain from having sex. Libtards are so effing lazy and stupid, they are beyond comical.

 

[frigidweirdo]

ROFL if I don't pay you to have sex.... I'm forcing you to abstain from having sex. Libtards are so effing lazy and stupid, they are beyond comical.

What? did you read it?

 

[Roadrunner]

Teenage Pregnancy Rate in Canada:

Teenage Pregnancy Rate in the United States:

If the issue here is education, then looking at the outcomes in terms of pregnancy rates, it seems clear that one of two issues is playing out, either we teach children of different races differently and so they act on the education, or lack thereof, differently or we teach the children of all races the same information and they act on that information differently.

Our teen pregnancy rate for white girls is about the same was what Canadian girls face.

Our black kids are primarily raised by our school systems.

So that explains that.

Two to three free meals a day at school, plus food stamps at home, and we wonder why morbid obesity and related illness is our biggest health care problem?

 

[RKMBrown]

In doing so it leaves the poor and often under-educated up the duff more than they would probably like to be, it leaves them with diseases they'd probably not have.

Cry me a river. If they're too stupid to figure out the consequences then they'll get to live them. My only issue is my tax money being used to bail their asses out after the fact.

Well it's not that they're too stupid to figure out the consequences, it's that often they can't afford the alternative.

Ie, the point this article is making.

ROFL .... the point the article is making is that one income class class (upper middle income) should be forced into slave labor to pay for another income class (lower income) of people to sit on their asses and have sex.

 

[RKMBrown]

So what are you going to do about it? A) Make parents do their job by sticking them in prison, taking away their children and putting them in homes, where they'll have to be taught by others. B) Having schools teach, which is the most effective and cheapest way or C) do nothing and see society slide further into the abyss?

D. Stop providing financial and material support to these teenagers who cannot abide by basic morals and values. Maybe seeing their best friend starve to death on the streets will get it through these kids heads that improper decisions csn have fatal consequences.

if you want them to abide by morals and values, then you have to teach it to them, and then people will rebel, it's part of growing up.

How would people starving to death make them learn proper morals?

When people get hungry they typically get off their asses and get a job, that's how. Though I'm sure you would just sit there and starve to death before you would lift a finger in effort.