Setting the Record Straight About the Planned Parenthood Videos--Again

[Clementine]

Incredibly, we still have liberals on this board who continue to repeat the myth that the Planned Parenthood videos were "deceptively edited," even though a respected forensics firm has demolished that claim, and even though the Center for Medical Progress has released the full versions of the videos.

Soon after the videos began to be released, Planned Parenthood hired a left-wing opposition research group to "study" the videos. This group, named Fusion, had no experience in preparing evidence for criminal or civil investigations. Predictably, Fusion produced a "report" that claimed the videos were "deceptively edited." To give you some idea of the shabby, amateurish nature of Fusion's "research," not only did Fusion not examine all the videos, they did not use any of the originals but used four copies available on YouTube!

In response, the Alliance Defending Freedom hired Coalfire, a respected forensics firm with experience in preparing evidence for criminal and civil investigations, to study the videos. Coalfire's experts examined all the videos, including the originals, and found no evidence of "deceptive editing." Here is their report:

http://www.adfmedia.org/files/CoalfireCMPvideosReport.pdf

Here is a brief article on the Planned Parenthood videos that contains numerous links that tell you all there is to know about the videos:

The Planned Parenthood Videos

The left is more interested in going after those who went after their pet organization. How many times has the left exposed people by secretly videotaping them? Remember the remark Romney made about the 47%? You see, it's okay if it supports their agenda, but not when it brings truth to light about any of them.

The media has successfully planted the idea that the tapes mean nothing. Idiots won't change their minds just because of the facts. So, they make extra money selling baby parts. The left says they might as well rather than toss them.

They ignore the fact that abortion doctors at PP changed the way the do abortions so they can try to get the fetuses out intact since they bring more money. They also ignore the way PP tries to get women to wait as long as possible so they can get more developed fetuses. They ignore the safety violations of many abortion clinics. They are against making clinics operate within a certain distance of hospitals so they can quickly transfer women when something goes wrong. They are even against ensuring that doctors are available at clinics and want to train others to do the procedures. They rallied against ultrasounds before the abortion procedure even though that is the only way the doctor can determine the actual gestational age of the fetus. Can't have them seeing proof of a 22-week old fetus when the cut off is 20 weeks. Also can't have the mother seeing that the fetus looks more like a baby than a clump of cells.

They also ignore the fact that PP began for the purpose of controlling the black population. It appears that nothing has changed since millions of black babies are aborted each year.

One thing we need to get in the limelight is the way PP endorsed Hillary Clinton despite being listed as a non-profit organization and getting at least $50 million in tax dollars each year. That alone should cause them to lose both their non-profit status and funding.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Let’s look at the claim that PP was merely selling baby body parts “to recover costs,” i.e., the costs of harvesting and processing them, and not for profit. That dog doesn’t hunt upon closer examination.

First off, consider the flyer from Planned Parenthood partner StemExpress, which purchases aborted baby parts. The flyer promises clinics “financial profits,” “financial benefits,” and “fiscal rewards.” An official from Planned Parenthood is directly quoted in a StemExpress ad praising StemExpress (Planned Parenthood Partner: Baby Organ Trafficking = "Financial Profits" ). The ad explicitly refers to “raw materials” resulting from abortions—materials such as human organs, tissues, and body parts—and how their distribution can contribute to the “fiscal growth” of participating abortion clinics. Gee, that surely sounds like dealing in baby body parts for profit.

But, more damning is the video that features Dr. Mary Gatter, who at the time was the president of PP’s Medical Directors Council. In the video we see Gatter haggling over the price for human body parts from aborted babies. While negotiating the price, Gatter says she doesn’t want to be the first person to name a price, because “the person who throws out the figure first is at a loss.” Huh? A "loss"? Trying to get the other person to name price first? That surely sounds like a lot more than just "recovering costs." But that's not all: The exchange continues:

“What would you expect for intact tissue?” [undercover journalist]

“Why don’t you start by telling me what you’re used to paying?” [Gatter replies]​

Now, as The Federalist correctly asks, why would Gatter have been trying to get the highest possible price if, as PP claims, PP was only trying recover fixed costs in the sale of human organs? Hey? PP and their apologists have yet to explain why Gatter was negotiating for a higher price if that were the case.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Incredibly, we still have liberals on this board who continue to repeat the myth that the Planned Parenthood videos were "deceptively edited," even though a respected forensics firm has demolished that claim, and even though the Center for Medical Progress has released the full versions of the videos.

Soon after the videos began to be released, Planned Parenthood hired a left-wing opposition research group to "study" the videos. This group, named Fusion, had no experience in preparing evidence for criminal or civil investigations. Predictably, Fusion produced a "report" that claimed the videos were "deceptively edited." To give you some idea of the shabby, amateurish nature of Fusion's "research," not only did Fusion not examine all the videos, they did not use any of the originals but used four copies available on YouTube!

In response, the Alliance Defending Freedom hired Coalfire, a respected forensics firm with experience in preparing evidence for criminal and civil investigations, to study the videos. Coalfire's experts examined all the videos, including the originals, and found no evidence of "deceptive editing." Here is their report:

http://www.adfmedia.org/files/CoalfireCMPvideosReport.pdf

Here is a brief article on the Planned Parenthood videos that contains numerous links that tell you all there is to know about the videos:

The Planned Parenthood Videos

The left is more interested in going after those who went after their pet organization. How many times has the left exposed people by secretly videotaping them? Remember the remark Romney made about the 47%? You see, it's okay if it supports their agenda, but not when it brings truth to light about any of them.

The media has successfully planted the idea that the tapes mean nothing. Idiots won't change their minds just because of the facts. So, they make extra money selling baby parts. The left says they might as well rather than toss them.

They ignore the fact that abortion doctors at PP changed the way the do abortions so they can try to get the fetuses out intact since they bring more money. They also ignore the way PP tries to get women to wait as long as possible so they can get more developed fetuses. They ignore the safety violations of many abortion clinics. They are against making clinics operate within a certain distance of hospitals so they can quickly transfer women when something goes wrong. They are even against ensuring that doctors are available at clinics and want to train others to do the procedures. They rallied against ultrasounds before the abortion procedure even though that is the only way the doctor can determine the actual gestational age of the fetus. Can't have them seeing proof of a 22-week old fetus when the cut off is 20 weeks. Also can't have the mother seeing that the fetus looks more like a baby than a clump of cells.

They also ignore the fact that PP began for the purpose of controlling the black population. It appears that nothing has changed since millions of black babies are aborted each year.

One thing we need to get in the limelight is the way PP endorsed Hillary Clinton despite being listed as a non-profit organization and getting at least $50 million in tax dollars each year. That alone should cause them to lose both their non-profit status and funding.

Planned Parenthood (the 501c3) didn't endorse anyone - the Planned Parenthood Action Fund (a PAC) did.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Incredibly, we still have liberals on this board who continue to repeat the myth that the Planned Parenthood videos were "deceptively edited," even though a respected forensics firm has demolished that claim, and even though the Center for Medical Progress has released the full versions of the videos.

Soon after the videos began to be released, Planned Parenthood hired a left-wing opposition research group to "study" the videos. This group, named Fusion, had no experience in preparing evidence for criminal or civil investigations. Predictably, Fusion produced a "report" that claimed the videos were "deceptively edited." To give you some idea of the shabby, amateurish nature of Fusion's "research," not only did Fusion not examine all the videos, they did not use any of the originals but used four copies available on YouTube!

In response, the Alliance Defending Freedom hired Coalfire, a respected forensics firm with experience in preparing evidence for criminal and civil investigations, to study the videos. Coalfire's experts examined all the videos, including the originals, and found no evidence of "deceptive editing." Here is their report:

http://www.adfmedia.org/files/CoalfireCMPvideosReport.pdf

Here is a brief article on the Planned Parenthood videos that contains numerous links that tell you all there is to know about the videos:

The Planned Parenthood Videos

The left is more interested in going after those who went after their pet organization. How many times has the left exposed people by secretly videotaping them? Remember the remark Romney made about the 47%? You see, it's okay if it supports their agenda, but not when it brings truth to light about any of them.

The media has successfully planted the idea that the tapes mean nothing. Idiots won't change their minds just because of the facts. So, they make extra money selling baby parts. The left says they might as well rather than toss them.

They ignore the fact that abortion doctors at PP changed the way the do abortions so they can try to get the fetuses out intact since they bring more money. They also ignore the way PP tries to get women to wait as long as possible so they can get more developed fetuses. They ignore the safety violations of many abortion clinics. They are against making clinics operate within a certain distance of hospitals so they can quickly transfer women when something goes wrong. They are even against ensuring that doctors are available at clinics and want to train others to do the procedures. They rallied against ultrasounds before the abortion procedure even though that is the only way the doctor can determine the actual gestational age of the fetus. Can't have them seeing proof of a 22-week old fetus when the cut off is 20 weeks. Also can't have the mother seeing that the fetus looks more like a baby than a clump of cells.

They also ignore the fact that PP began for the purpose of controlling the black population. It appears that nothing has changed since millions of black babies are aborted each year.

One thing we need to get in the limelight is the way PP endorsed Hillary Clinton despite being listed as a non-profit organization and getting at least $50 million in tax dollars each year. That alone should cause them to lose both their non-profit status and funding.

Planned Parenthood (the 501c3) didn't endorse anyone - the Planned Parenthood Action Fund (a PAC) did.

You're either lying or you're clueless. The Planned Parenthood Action Fund is--I quote--the "advocacy and political arm of Planned Parenthood Federation of America" ( About Us - Planned Parenthood Action ). In case you don't know, the "Planned Parenthood Federation of America" is Planned Parenthood.

And, uh, umm, are you really suggesting that PP's leadership is not ardently, extremely liberal? Did you happen to catch the testimony of PP's president, Cecile Richards, last year before the House Committee on Government Oversight? Seriously? Guess what she did before she became president of PP? Here you go:

Richards previously founded and served as president of America Votes, a coalition of national Democratic Party-affiliated organizations. Before that, she was deputy chief of staff to the U.S. Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic Leader in the U.S. House of Representatives.​

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why is abortion a political issue ?

 

[mikegriffith1]

Why is abortion a political issue ?

Are you kidding? You really don't know why abortion is a political issue? Why was slavery a political issue?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why is abortion a political issue ?

Are you kidding? You really don't know why abortion is a political issue? Why was slavery a political issue?

I think it is a distressing time for any girl and all of this nonsense just adds to the pain. We dont have this shite in the UK.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Why is abortion a political issue ?

Are you kidding? You really don't know why abortion is a political issue? Why was slavery a political issue?

I think it is a distressing time for any girl and all of this nonsense just adds to the pain. We dont have this shite in the UK.

It's a whole lot more distressing for the baby when he or she gets poisoned and then sliced up solely because he or she "doesn't fit into my life plans right now."

You would have made a great slavery apologist in the 1850s. They showed the same revolting disdain for the rights of the victims and focused on the "rights" of those who were guilty of immorality.

Given the science of embryology, it is disgusting to see anyone ignoring the rights of the child and arguing that a woman has the "right" to kill her own child solely for her own convenience. Rape, incest, and endangerment account for less 5% of abortions. The rest are purely elective.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why is abortion a political issue ?

Are you kidding? You really don't know why abortion is a political issue? Why was slavery a political issue?

I think it is a distressing time for any girl and all of this nonsense just adds to the pain. We dont have this shite in the UK.

It's a whole lot more distressing for the baby when he or she gets poisoned and then sliced up solely because he or she "doesn't fit into my life plans right now."

You would have made a great slavery apologist in the 1850s. They showed the same revolting disdain for the rights of the victims and focused on the "rights" of those who were guilty of immorality.

Given the science of embryology, it is disgusting to see anyone ignoring the rights of the child and arguing that a woman has the "right" to kill her own child solely for her own convenience. Rape, incest, and endangerment account for less 5% of abortions. The rest are purely elective.

Absolutely, and they prevent a load of suffering. My observations on this subject tell me that it is more about a political stance than any genuine feeling.

 

[healthmyths]

Unfortunately that message does not penetrate the reality shield around planet Rightard.

Of course it is totally acceptable for the MSM to do the following:

View attachment 63656

Grand jury indicts 2 behind Planned Parenthood videos

Yes....democrats are not shy about using the law to attack their enemies...lawfare is one of their newest tools in their total political war for power....

You have it backwards

Republicans were trying to use the law to steamroll Planned Parenthood using fake videos

They were caught

So what's the difference between this?
To Catch a Predator is an American reality television series that features hidden camera investigations by the television newsmagazine program Dateline NBC. It was devoted to impersonating underage people (generally ages 13–15)[1] and detaining male adults who contacted them over the Internet for sexual liaisons. People were lured to meet with a decoy under the pretense of sexual contact and then confronted.
To Catch a Predator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[healthmyths]

Why is abortion a political issue ?

Are you kidding? You really don't know why abortion is a political issue? Why was slavery a political issue?

I think it is a distressing time for any girl and all of this nonsense just adds to the pain. We dont have this shite in the UK.

It's a whole lot more distressing for the baby when he or she gets poisoned and then sliced up solely because he or she "doesn't fit into my life plans right now."

You would have made a great slavery apologist in the 1850s. They showed the same revolting disdain for the rights of the victims and focused on the "rights" of those who were guilty of immorality.

Given the science of embryology, it is disgusting to see anyone ignoring the rights of the child and arguing that a woman has the "right" to kill her own child solely for her own convenience. Rape, incest, and endangerment account for less 5% of abortions. The rest are purely elective.

Elective to this point of excess!
36.6% were performed on women with one or two prior abortions, and
8.1% were performed on women with three or more prior abortions (CDC).
44.7% or nearly half by stupid, ignorant women that definitely don't use birth control to continue to act as pre-meditated murders at that point. U.S. Abortion Statistics

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why is abortion a political issue ?

Are you kidding? You really don't know why abortion is a political issue? Why was slavery a political issue?

I think it is a distressing time for any girl and all of this nonsense just adds to the pain. We dont have this shite in the UK.

It's a whole lot more distressing for the baby when he or she gets poisoned and then sliced up solely because he or she "doesn't fit into my life plans right now."

You would have made a great slavery apologist in the 1850s. They showed the same revolting disdain for the rights of the victims and focused on the "rights" of those who were guilty of immorality.

Given the science of embryology, it is disgusting to see anyone ignoring the rights of the child and arguing that a woman has the "right" to kill her own child solely for her own convenience. Rape, incest, and endangerment account for less 5% of abortions. The rest are purely elective.

Elective to this point of excess!
36.6% were performed on women with one or two prior abortions, and
8.1% were performed on women with three or more prior abortions (CDC).
44.7% or nearly half by stupid, ignorant women that definitely don't use birth control to continue to act as pre-meditated murders at that point. U.S. Abortion Statistics

And you want these stupid girls to have kids ?

 

[Seawytch]

Incredibly, we still have liberals on this board who continue to repeat the myth that the Planned Parenthood videos were "deceptively edited," even though a respected forensics firm has demolished that claim, and even though the Center for Medical Progress has released the full versions of the videos.

Soon after the videos began to be released, Planned Parenthood hired a left-wing opposition research group to "study" the videos. This group, named Fusion, had no experience in preparing evidence for criminal or civil investigations. Predictably, Fusion produced a "report" that claimed the videos were "deceptively edited." To give you some idea of the shabby, amateurish nature of Fusion's "research," not only did Fusion not examine all the videos, they did not use any of the originals but used four copies available on YouTube!

In response, the Alliance Defending Freedom hired Coalfire, a respected forensics firm with experience in preparing evidence for criminal and civil investigations, to study the videos. Coalfire's experts examined all the videos, including the originals, and found no evidence of "deceptive editing." Here is their report:

http://www.adfmedia.org/files/CoalfireCMPvideosReport.pdf

Here is a brief article on the Planned Parenthood videos that contains numerous links that tell you all there is to know about the videos:

The Planned Parenthood Videos

The left is more interested in going after those who went after their pet organization. How many times has the left exposed people by secretly videotaping them? Remember the remark Romney made about the 47%? You see, it's okay if it supports their agenda, but not when it brings truth to light about any of them.

The media has successfully planted the idea that the tapes mean nothing. Idiots won't change their minds just because of the facts. So, they make extra money selling baby parts. The left says they might as well rather than toss them.

They ignore the fact that abortion doctors at PP changed the way the do abortions so they can try to get the fetuses out intact since they bring more money. They also ignore the way PP tries to get women to wait as long as possible so they can get more developed fetuses. They ignore the safety violations of many abortion clinics. They are against making clinics operate within a certain distance of hospitals so they can quickly transfer women when something goes wrong. They are even against ensuring that doctors are available at clinics and want to train others to do the procedures. They rallied against ultrasounds before the abortion procedure even though that is the only way the doctor can determine the actual gestational age of the fetus. Can't have them seeing proof of a 22-week old fetus when the cut off is 20 weeks. Also can't have the mother seeing that the fetus looks more like a baby than a clump of cells.

They also ignore the fact that PP began for the purpose of controlling the black population. It appears that nothing has changed since millions of black babies are aborted each year.

One thing we need to get in the limelight is the way PP endorsed Hillary Clinton despite being listed as a non-profit organization and getting at least $50 million in tax dollars each year. That alone should cause them to lose both their non-profit status and funding.

Planned Parenthood (the 501c3) didn't endorse anyone - the Planned Parenthood Action Fund (a PAC) did.

In other words...Thanks Citizens United.

 

[healthmyths]

Why is abortion a political issue ?

Are you kidding? You really don't know why abortion is a political issue? Why was slavery a political issue?

I think it is a distressing time for any girl and all of this nonsense just adds to the pain. We dont have this shite in the UK.

It's a whole lot more distressing for the baby when he or she gets poisoned and then sliced up solely because he or she "doesn't fit into my life plans right now."

You would have made a great slavery apologist in the 1850s. They showed the same revolting disdain for the rights of the victims and focused on the "rights" of those who were guilty of immorality.

Given the science of embryology, it is disgusting to see anyone ignoring the rights of the child and arguing that a woman has the "right" to kill her own child solely for her own convenience. Rape, incest, and endangerment account for less 5% of abortions. The rest are purely elective.

Elective to this point of excess!
36.6% were performed on women with one or two prior abortions, and
8.1% were performed on women with three or more prior abortions (CDC).
44.7% or nearly half by stupid, ignorant women that definitely don't use birth control to continue to act as pre-meditated murders at that point. U.S. Abortion Statistics

And you want these stupid girls to have kids ?

NO... I want them after the first abortion to acknowledge and agree if they are back for another abortion they agree to a temporary tubal ligation which will prevent them from getting pregnant and murdering more humans.

Be honest... which is more harmful.. the culture of discarding human beings or agreeing to a tubal ligation?
That simple.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Why is abortion a political issue ?

Are you kidding? You really don't know why abortion is a political issue? Why was slavery a political issue?

I think it is a distressing time for any girl and all of this nonsense just adds to the pain. We dont have this shite in the UK.

It's a whole lot more distressing for the baby when he or she gets poisoned and then sliced up solely because he or she "doesn't fit into my life plans right now."

You would have made a great slavery apologist in the 1850s. They showed the same revolting disdain for the rights of the victims and focused on the "rights" of those who were guilty of immorality.

Given the science of embryology, it is disgusting to see anyone ignoring the rights of the child and arguing that a woman has the "right" to kill her own child solely for her own convenience. Rape, incest, and endangerment account for less 5% of abortions. The rest are purely elective.

Elective to this point of excess!
36.6% were performed on women with one or two prior abortions, and
8.1% were performed on women with three or more prior abortions (CDC).
44.7% or nearly half by stupid, ignorant women that definitely don't use birth control to continue to act as pre-meditated murders at that point. U.S. Abortion Statistics

And you want these stupid girls to have kids ?

Oh. My. Goodness. Did you just say that? Let's see: So only girls whom you judge to be smart should be allowed to have kids? That's the logical implication of your comment.

And, ever heard of adoption? There are *millions* of people who want to adopt. Plus, many people who were born into horrible circumstances have overcome those conditions and made their lives a success.

Who in the world are you to decide which kids get to live and which ones should be cut by the abortion knife? Your attitude toward unborn babies is not far from the attitude that the Nazis had toward the Jews.

 

[healthmyths]

Are you kidding? You really don't know why abortion is a political issue? Why was slavery a political issue?

I think it is a distressing time for any girl and all of this nonsense just adds to the pain. We dont have this shite in the UK.

It's a whole lot more distressing for the baby when he or she gets poisoned and then sliced up solely because he or she "doesn't fit into my life plans right now."

You would have made a great slavery apologist in the 1850s. They showed the same revolting disdain for the rights of the victims and focused on the "rights" of those who were guilty of immorality.

Given the science of embryology, it is disgusting to see anyone ignoring the rights of the child and arguing that a woman has the "right" to kill her own child solely for her own convenience. Rape, incest, and endangerment account for less 5% of abortions. The rest are purely elective.

Elective to this point of excess!
36.6% were performed on women with one or two prior abortions, and
8.1% were performed on women with three or more prior abortions (CDC).
44.7% or nearly half by stupid, ignorant women that definitely don't use birth control to continue to act as pre-meditated murders at that point. U.S. Abortion Statistics

And you want these stupid girls to have kids ?

Oh. My. Goodness. Did you just say that? Let's see: So only girls whom you judge to be smart should be allowed to have kids? That's the logical implication of your comment.

And, ever heard of adoption? There are *millions* of people who want to adopt. Plus, many people who were born into horrible circumstances have overcome those conditions and made their lives a success.

Who in the world are you to decide which kids get to live and which ones should be cut by the abortion knife? Your attitude toward unborn babies is not far from the attitude that the Nazis had toward the Jews.

Of course I did say it! Obviously you are totally ignorant of Planned Parenthood's CHARTER and founder Martha Sanger who said:

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born."
Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

On sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.

On the right of married couples to bear children:
Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932

On the purpose of birth control:
The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)

On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:
"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12

On religious convictions regarding sex outside of marriage:
"This book aims to answer the needs expressed in thousands on thousands of letters to me in the solution of marriage problems... Knowledge of sex truths frankly and plainly presented cannot possibly injure healthy, normal, young minds. Concealment, suppression, futile attempts to veil the unveilable - these work injury, as they seldom succeed and only render those who indulge in them ridiculous. For myself, I have full confidence in the cleanliness, the open-mindedness, the promise of the younger generation."
Margaret Sanger, Happiness in Marriage (Bretano's, New York, 1927)

On the extermination of blacks:
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said,
"if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, In Her Own Words

Now today's PP still honors Sanger and you were shocked at the simple tubal ligation proceed "voluntarily offered" to women who
have already had 2 or more abortions is wrong?? My goodness are you out of date.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Lot of people wanting to tell women what to do with their body. Very poor.