Separate Malaysian Airline Crashes Ukraine

[Camp]

Separatists don't have the military hardware to pull this off. Only the Russian and Ukrainian Militaries do.

In situations like this, it is prudent to ask, "cui bono, who benefits?".

Russia has no reason to target civilian aircraft, and no benefits would come from such an attack. Where as an event like this benefits the Ukrainian Government greatly, they may now get the NATO/UN intervention they have wanted for months to finally quell the separatists in the East and bring Donetsk and Luhansk under their control.

Actually the separatists have been showing off their buk missile system all week, and bragged about taking down their third plane today, but when they found out it was a commercial airliner, pulled back that statement.

IF that is true, and can be proven, Putin is in a world of hurt.

Maybe not. Rebels confiscated a Ukraine one in an attack a few weeks ago. It was a Russian BUC, but property of Ukraine. Wouldn't be hard to find experienced Russian operators. Perhaps some old veterans.

 

[RWHeathenGamer]

Russia has no reason to target civilian aircraft,.

Unless they did shoot it down, intending to claim Ukraine did it.
They have a potential reason.

We won't know a thing, possibly ever, because Ukraine commonly uses Russian equipment so, even if missile parts are found, we still won't know who it belonged to.

This whole thing is fucking evil and the comments we see on here are going to be almost as bad.

That makes no sense Indo, there is no way they would do that. Russia has the entire global media agains tthem, there is no way they are stupid enough to think they could shoot down a plane and blame Ukraine. for it. Sorry I don't buy that.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Pooty poot was Bush's nickname for Putin, G.W. BUSH said he "looked into his soul". And we see where that has led.

Putin had a healthy respect for Bush. Fucking with him was off the table.

Putin has utter contempt for Obama. Remember, he called Obama a "flouncing fairy." That may seem like a complement in our "gay is superior" bullshit culture, but it was a serious insult by the second strongest military force on the planet.

Obama is a joke, which is dangerous for the USA. Putin sees Obama as weak and frightened, which is true.

 

[Peach]

Pooty poot was Bush's nickname for Putin, G.W. BUSH said he "looked into his soul". And we see where that has led.

Putin had a healthy respect for Bush. Fucking with him was off the table.

Putin has utter contempt for Obama. Remember, he called Obama a "flouncing fairy." That may seem like a complement in our "gay is superior" bullshit culture, but it was a serious insult by the second strongest military force on the planet.

Obama is a joke, which is dangerous for the USA. Putin sees Obama as weak and frightened, which is true.

Putin played Bush like a piano, Putin is busy lying now, evidence he fears Obama. Obama has no death toll to "legitmitize" him to stay at home soldiers; thus, he is greater danger to Russia. The world laughed at Bush, the JCS made no secret of his criminally negligent Iraq war planning.

 

[Sallow]

Russia has no reason to target civilian aircraft,.

Unless they did shoot it down, intending to claim Ukraine did it.
They have a potential reason.

We won't know a thing, possibly ever, because Ukraine commonly uses Russian equipment so, even if missile parts are found, we still won't know who it belonged to.

This whole thing is fucking evil and the comments we see on here are going to be almost as bad.

That makes no sense Indo, there is no way they would do that. Russia has the entire global media agains tthem, there is no way they are stupid enough to think they could shoot down a plane and blame Ukraine. for it. Sorry I don't buy that.

The story now seems to be drunken Separatists.

They've been shooting down planes for quite some time now.

This might have been an accident.

Or a drunken Russian.

 

[Sallow]

Pooty poot was Bush's nickname for Putin, G.W. BUSH said he "looked into his soul". And we see where that has led.

Putin had a healthy respect for Bush. Fucking with him was off the table.

Putin has utter contempt for Obama. Remember, he called Obama a "flouncing fairy." That may seem like a complement in our "gay is superior" bullshit culture, but it was a serious insult by the second strongest military force on the planet.

Obama is a joke, which is dangerous for the USA. Putin sees Obama as weak and frightened, which is true.

Pffttt..



Healthy respect, huh?

He invaded Georgia.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Putin had to clear the shoot down with Obama

Up until today Obama was Putin's boy and Putin was the man who controlled everything. Now Putin is Obama's boy and Obama is in control. Are you desperate, confused or both.

Pooty poot was Bush's nickname for Putin, G.W. BUSH said he "looked into his soul". And we see where that has led.

Good thing Putin fears and respects Obama.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Pooty poot was Bush's nickname for Putin, G.W. BUSH said he "looked into his soul". And we see where that has led.

Putin had a healthy respect for Bush. Fucking with him was off the table.

Putin has utter contempt for Obama. Remember, he called Obama a "flouncing fairy." That may seem like a complement in our "gay is superior" bullshit culture, but it was a serious insult by the second strongest military force on the planet.

Obama is a joke, which is dangerous for the USA. Putin sees Obama as weak and frightened, which is true.

Putin played Bush like a piano, Putin is busy lying now, evidence he fears Obama. Obama has no death toll to "legitmitize" him to stay at home soldiers; thus, he is greater danger to Russia. The world laughed at Bush, the JCS made no secret of his criminally negligent Iraq war planning.

Putin fears Obama so he must have checked with Obama before oking the shoot down

 

[RWHeathenGamer]

Eastern european welfare cases like the ukies should have to fight their own wars without american or western european blood and treasure being put on the line. I hope no wars comes of this.

 

[September]

Up until today Obama was Putin's boy and Putin was the man who controlled everything. Now Putin is Obama's boy and Obama is in control. Are you desperate, confused or both.

Pooty poot was Bush's nickname for Putin, G.W. BUSH said he "looked into his soul". And we see where that has led.

Good thing Putin fears and respects Obama.

Ummmm no he does not

 

[Peach]

Pooty poot was Bush's nickname for Putin, G.W. BUSH said he "looked into his soul". And we see where that has led.

Putin had a healthy respect for Bush. Fucking with him was off the table.

Putin has utter contempt for Obama. Remember, he called Obama a "flouncing fairy." That may seem like a complement in our "gay is superior" bullshit culture, but it was a serious insult by the second strongest military force on the planet.

Obama is a joke, which is dangerous for the USA. Putin sees Obama as weak and frightened, which is true.

Pffttt..



Healthy respect, huh?

He invaded Georgia.

Pooty Poot, as Bush called him, could have invaded Kennebunkport; Bush would have gone into hiding again. Putin must lie or admit separatists got their hands on SAMs.

 

[williepete]

Putin played Bush like a piano, Putin is busy lying now, evidence he fears Obama. Obama has no death toll to "legitmitize" him to stay at home soldiers; thus, he is greater danger to Russia. The world laughed at Bush...


Pooty Poot, as Bush called him, could have invaded Kennebunkport; Bush would have gone into hiding again. Putin must lie or admit separatists got their hands on SAMs.

Peach, why are you injecting Bush into this situation? You know it's 2014 right? You know this topic is about today's Malaysian Airline shoot down right?

 

[Ravi]

The Russians are the only people with the hardware. There's no way Putin makes a move like that without consulting Obama

I'd happily pay for you to fly Malasian Air. Rethinking your Putin ball washing I see.

 

[Kosh]

Putin played Bush like a piano, Putin is busy lying now, evidence he fears Obama. Obama has no death toll to "legitmitize" him to stay at home soldiers; thus, he is greater danger to Russia. The world laughed at Bush...


Pooty Poot, as Bush called him, could have invaded Kennebunkport; Bush would have gone into hiding again. Putin must lie or admit separatists got their hands on SAMs.

Peach, why are you injecting Bush into this situation? You know it's 2014 right? You know this topic is about today's Malaysian Airline shoot down right?

It is the far left way to blame Booosssssshhhhhh!

Can't blame Obama fro poor policies, it has to be Booooossssshhhh!!!!

All the far left blog sites tell them so..

 

[Peach]

The Russians are the only people with the hardware. There's no way Putin makes a move like that without consulting Obama

I'd happily pay for you to fly Malasian Air. Rethinking your Putin ball washing I see.

Some Americans love the KGB, inappropriate but not unexpected. Russian separatists will lose even some Russian support if it can be proven, of course a few here would want signed confessions. This was not an assidental firing, the target may well be. McCain disappoints, Graham is somewhat more rational.

Unless Ukraine is shown responsible, Putin, darling of the US right wing, is in deep swamp water.

 

[wavingrl]

who would like to provide a quick update--

I don't want to sit around with CNN-we had only gotten as far as -unrestricted airspace--ok---that could take years to analyze thoroughly.

Meanwhile we should be loading missiles---getting the planes flying---things like that.

No need to keep 'hoping'---no need for more 'talks'---

I think --if not 'today'--before this is 'over'--the POTUS will have to answer that red phone and issue a command.

 

[wavingrl]

Russia has no reason to target civilian aircraft,.

Unless they did shoot it down, intending to claim Ukraine did it.
They have a potential reason.

We won't know a thing, possibly ever, because Ukraine commonly uses Russian equipment so, even if missile parts are found, we still won't know who it belonged to.

This whole thing is fucking evil and the comments we see on here are going to be almost as bad.

That makes no sense Indo, there is no way they would do that. Russia has the entire global media agains tthem, there is no way they are stupid enough to think they could shoot down a plane and blame Ukraine. for it. Sorry I don't buy that.

sure they are--of course they are. Not 'just Russia'---I cannot even imagine the complicity --how deep it goes.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

What I wanna know is why when these new airliners are made and costing millions of dollars no one thinks to spend another 1 or 2% total cost on some defensive gear like chaff and flares and some avionics to know when they're being tracked and targetted by military radars. This is only going to happen more and more as emerging nations get better technology. Assuming responsibility for hundreds of people at a time but if someone takes a pot shot at you you're resigning yourself to dying with no chance whatsoever? Haven't flown since before 9/11 and this is one of the reasons why I don't.

 

[Peach]

No confirmed US casualties yet:

Malaysia Airlines gave a breakdown of the known nationalities of the 283 passengers: 154 were Dutch, 27 were Australians, 30 were Malaysians, 12 were Indonesian, nine were from the United Kingdom, four were from Germany; four were from Belgium, three were from the Philippines and one was Canadian. Authorities were still trying to determine the nationalities of the other passengers.

 

[williepete]

What I wanna know is why when these new airliners are made and costing millions of dollars no one thinks to spend another 1 or 2% total cost on some defensive gear like chaff and flares and some avionics to know when they're being tracked and targetted by military radars.

Money.

Besides, chaff, flares and a jamming pod won't help you in a 777 at 33,000 feet against a SA-11/17. Even with a radar warning receiver, you'll just die tense.

IRCM equipment against MANPADS would be prudent but the airlines aren't going to pay for it.