Seattle is dying

[Flopper]

Tough reality is not part of a Liberal agenda, how we sink deeper into denial...

They’re destined too fail with this mentality, and they want to tell you President Trump has no idea what he’s doing with the wall at our Southern Border? This is a case in point that clear demonstrates why you should enforce the laws...

Who is arguing against enforcing the laws? You guys just make this shit up. Or just buy the latest Hannity episode. Vote reps in that will change immigration laws and amend The Constitution.

Typical, watch the video, then tell me they’re enforcing the laws! Until then, stay off the thread...

Typical. Since you can't articulate a thesis, then I am not watching your video. Just that simple.

Thank you OL.

There is no reason to watch it. KOMO is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting whose been in bed with Trump since he started campaigning. It's a hatchet job. Sinclair's goal has been to counteract the bias by major networks by broadcasting biased programs at the local level. This is a good example.

Although the video continuously blames the city administration, mayor, and city counsel, and the courts, nowhere in the video did they interview the chief of police, the mayor, city councilmen, or anyone from justice. Nowhere in the video did they address what is being done to prevent homelessness.

The only solution the video offered was to jail the homeless, which include nearly 3000 families with women and children. Most of Seattle homeless have never been charged with a crime yet the video see the jail as the solution.

And who else is to blame for it? In your first post (#7) you said "why aren't we doing more to prevent crime, solve the homeless problem, and deal with drug abuse. These are major issues with liberals. These are homegrown problems and are not the result of migration."

Those are NOT issues with liberals, those issues are created by liberals.

Bull Shit!
Serious social problem, such as crime, mental and physical illness, addiction, and poverty have always existed in our largest cites in the US. Large numbers of people living in small areas forces social interactions leading to stress, violence, and isolation.

The reactions of conservatives to social problems have always been to ignore causes of the problems and enact punitive rather than rehabilitative measures on the results. For the abandoned mother with 3 kids, the conservative response has been to blame the woman for having too many kids and tell her to get a second job. For those suffering from addiction, conservatives see it as a bad life choice and thus requiring punishment. The solution to poverty is to get a job regardless of whether you can do it or not. HIV is a punishment for sins so repent. The solution to more crime is more punishment. Healthcare and education is for those that can afford.

Liberal leadership in the large cities is a reaction to the inaction of conservatives. Conservatives have written off our largest because they have no viable solution for the problems.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

LOL. Pictures don't lie dude.

Really? Do you think my great granddaughter is sitting on the Iron Throne?

Ever heard of Photoshop?


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So that's your apologetic for the Seattle situation?

The United States has an opioid crisis, which the past three administrations have utterly ignored, and this President continues to blame illegal immigration for. All of Trump's time, money and attention for the past year has been focused on building a useless wall, while Trump continues to ignore the fact that 70,000 people are dying of opioid abuse every year, and that death toll contionues to mount.

Violent crime in the mid-west is now at higher levels than violent crime in the inner cities, and that poor, broke, unemployed white people are just as drug addicted and violent as inner city blacks when they lose all of their money and opportunity, too.

At the root of all of this is the failure of successive Republican administrations to deal with the effects of wage stagnation, and off-shoring that began when Reagan gutted the anti-trust regulations put in place during the Guilded Age, and destroyed the unions that lifting working Americans out of poverty for 30 years following WWII.

Republicans have convinced working Americans that despite the lowest wage to GDP/ratio since the Guilded Age, and the highest corporate profits in the history of the world, and the largest, best equipped military force the world has ever seen, American corporations cannot provide the simple assurances of life that all of the other first world nations give to the people who are producing their goods and services:

mandated vactions
maternity leave
universal health care
quality public school education

Americans are frightened, anxious, depressed, and suicide rates are going up. As life becomes more uncertain for middle class Americans in terms of health care, work/life balance, and just having a government that is benefitting ALL of its citizens instead of pandering to the lowest elements among you.

All of the "socialist" crap you rail against, is just the bullshit and lies the Republican Party keeps feeding the gullible to keep Americans poor and dependent on "earned income credits" to eat, instead of living wages to all full-time workers, and to continue to funnel the profits their labour creates, to an every smaller group of people at the top.

Other nations in the world have resisted this transfer of wealth, and are growing their middle class, educating their people, and not getting involved in military build-ups, and useless foreign wars. Our life expectancy is going up, not down. Our qualifty of life is going up, not down, and our countries are pulling away from the USA, because we see where you're headed.

United we stand, and divided you fall. As long as you play the blame game - blaming immigrants, instead of the government policies which encourage illegals to come here, blaming race for inner city crime, not poverty, and not working together to find solutions, the situation will only get worse.

So now,, what are YOU going to do about these issues?

Since when are republicans responsible for a persons behavior?
You sound like a dry drunk. You may not drink but you have all the thinking errors of an alcoholic.

Republicans are responsible for the economic conditions that destroyed manufacturing in the mid=West, and their failure to provide retraining, or even a living minimum wage for low wage jobs. Republicans have fought universal health care tooth and claw, and at every opportunity seek to undercut, undermine and underfund necessary social programs.

Republicans destroy all social spending programs they touch. They are so frightened that one unentitled person get one dollar of money they're not entitled to, that they're prepared to spend millions to ensure it doesn't happen. Like spending $1.1 million on drug testing of welfare recipients to achieve $100,000 in savings of benefits paid. The entire program could save $1 million just by eliminating the testing. If you spend $11 and only get $1 in savings in return, it hardly makes sense to continue spending the $11. But Republicans are adamant that drug testing is the answer to cost savings.

Public school education has been destroyed by red state Republicans for generations. All so they could make parents pay more for their children's education through Charter schools. This program is failing badly, and American education rankings continue to sink. The Republican solution - blame "leftist" teachers for "indoctrinating" their children. Republicans buy the test books, set the cirriculum, and tell the teachers what they can and cannot teach. It's like blaming the auto workers who assemble them, because the engines in the cars are badly designed and failing. The Republican goal is to end public school education, by giving more money for private/charter school programs, and starving the public system of funding.

And Republicans put alcohol and illicit drugs in their mouths.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

They're all sitting there looking at their phones. Wow, nice !

 

[william the wie]

Who is arguing against enforcing the laws? You guys just make this shit up. Or just buy the latest Hannity episode. Vote reps in that will change immigration laws and amend The Constitution.

Typical, watch the video, then tell me they’re enforcing the laws! Until then, stay off the thread...

Typical. Since you can't articulate a thesis, then I am not watching your video. Just that simple.

Thank you OL.

There is no reason to watch it. KOMO is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting whose been in bed with Trump since he started campaigning. It's a hatchet job. Sinclair's goal has been to counteract the bias by major networks by broadcasting biased programs at the local level. This is a good example.

Although the video continuously blames the city administration, mayor, and city counsel, and the courts, nowhere in the video did they interview the chief of police, the mayor, city councilmen, or anyone from justice. Nowhere in the video did they address what is being done to prevent homelessness.

The only solution the video offered was to jail the homeless, which include nearly 3000 families with women and children. Most of Seattle homeless have never been charged with a crime yet the video see the jail as the solution.

And who else is to blame for it? In your first post (#7) you said "why aren't we doing more to prevent crime, solve the homeless problem, and deal with drug abuse. These are major issues with liberals. These are homegrown problems and are not the result of migration."

Those are NOT issues with liberals, those issues are created by liberals.

Bull Shit!
Serious social problem, such as crime, mental and physical illness, addiction, and poverty have always existed in our largest cites in the US. Large numbers of people living in small areas forces social interactions leading to stress, violence, and isolation.

The reactions of conservatives to social problems have always been to ignore causes of the problems and enact punitive rather than rehabilitative measures on the results. For the abandoned mother with 3 kids, the conservative response has been to blame the woman for having too many kids and tell her to get a second job. For those suffering from addiction, conservatives see it as a bad life choice and thus requiring punishment. The solution to poverty is to get a job regardless of whether you can do it or not. HIV is a punishment for sins so repent. The solution to more crime is more punishment. Healthcare and education is for those that can afford.

Liberal leadership in the large cities is a reaction to the inaction of conservatives. Conservatives have written off our largest because they have no viable solution for the problems.

Seattle used to show up in "Parade", the sunday edition newspaper magazine of the 60s, 70s and 80s. If memory serves Seattle, LA, NYC and Miami almost never got favorable mention. What if anything has changed?

 

[DustyInfinity]

Who is arguing against enforcing the laws? You guys just make this shit up. Or just buy the latest Hannity episode. Vote reps in that will change immigration laws and amend The Constitution.

Typical, watch the video, then tell me they’re enforcing the laws! Until then, stay off the thread...

Typical. Since you can't articulate a thesis, then I am not watching your video. Just that simple.

Thank you OL.

There is no reason to watch it. KOMO is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting whose been in bed with Trump since he started campaigning. It's a hatchet job. Sinclair's goal has been to counteract the bias by major networks by broadcasting biased programs at the local level. This is a good example.

Although the video continuously blames the city administration, mayor, and city counsel, and the courts, nowhere in the video did they interview the chief of police, the mayor, city councilmen, or anyone from justice. Nowhere in the video did they address what is being done to prevent homelessness.

The only solution the video offered was to jail the homeless, which include nearly 3000 families with women and children. Most of Seattle homeless have never been charged with a crime yet the video see the jail as the solution.

And who else is to blame for it? In your first post (#7) you said "why aren't we doing more to prevent crime, solve the homeless problem, and deal with drug abuse. These are major issues with liberals. These are homegrown problems and are not the result of migration."

Those are NOT issues with liberals, those issues are created by liberals.

Bull Shit!
Serious social problem, such as crime, mental and physical illness, addiction, and poverty have always existed in our largest cites in the US. Large numbers of people living in small areas forces social interactions leading to stress, violence, and isolation.

The reactions of conservatives to social problems have always been to ignore causes of the problems and enact punitive rather than rehabilitative measures on the results. For the abandoned mother with 3 kids, the conservative response has been to blame the woman for having too many kids and tell her to get a second job. For those suffering from addiction, conservatives see it as a bad life choice and thus requiring punishment. The solution to poverty is to get a job regardless of whether you can do it or not. HIV is a punishment for sins so repent. The solution to more crime is more punishment. Healthcare and education is for those that can afford.

Liberal leadership in the large cities is a reaction to the inaction of conservatives. Conservatives have written off our largest because they have no viable solution for the problems.

So we should let all criminals go because they have problems? You have created a situation where no crime is punished. It is the old Oprah syndrome. The murderer had a tough childhood, let him go. You are letting people crap in public, park junk rvs wherever they want, and commit violent acts. Seattle is called Free- atlle, because criminals know they can do whatever they want and the law is forced to look away. You can't just say conservatives are mean, so we let criminals do whatever they want.

 

[Erinwltr]

Typical, watch the video, then tell me they’re enforcing the laws! Until then, stay off the thread...

Typical. Since you can't articulate a thesis, then I am not watching your video. Just that simple.

Thank you OL.

There is no reason to watch it. KOMO is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting whose been in bed with Trump since he started campaigning. It's a hatchet job. Sinclair's goal has been to counteract the bias by major networks by broadcasting biased programs at the local level. This is a good example.

Although the video continuously blames the city administration, mayor, and city counsel, and the courts, nowhere in the video did they interview the chief of police, the mayor, city councilmen, or anyone from justice. Nowhere in the video did they address what is being done to prevent homelessness.

The only solution the video offered was to jail the homeless, which include nearly 3000 families with women and children. Most of Seattle homeless have never been charged with a crime yet the video see the jail as the solution.

And who else is to blame for it? In your first post (#7) you said "why aren't we doing more to prevent crime, solve the homeless problem, and deal with drug abuse. These are major issues with liberals. These are homegrown problems and are not the result of migration."

Those are NOT issues with liberals, those issues are created by liberals.

Bull Shit!
Serious social problem, such as crime, mental and physical illness, addiction, and poverty have always existed in our largest cites in the US. Large numbers of people living in small areas forces social interactions leading to stress, violence, and isolation.

The reactions of conservatives to social problems have always been to ignore causes of the problems and enact punitive rather than rehabilitative measures on the results. For the abandoned mother with 3 kids, the conservative response has been to blame the woman for having too many kids and tell her to get a second job. For those suffering from addiction, conservatives see it as a bad life choice and thus requiring punishment. The solution to poverty is to get a job regardless of whether you can do it or not. HIV is a punishment for sins so repent. The solution to more crime is more punishment. Healthcare and education is for those that can afford.

Liberal leadership in the large cities is a reaction to the inaction of conservatives. Conservatives have written off our largest because they have no viable solution for the problems.

So we should let all criminals go because they have problems? You have created a situation where no crime is punished. It is the old Oprah syndrome. The murderer had a tough childhood, let him go. You are letting people crap in public, park junk rvs wherever they want, and commit violent acts. Seattle is called Free- atlle, because criminals know they can do whatever they want and the law is forced to look away. You can't just say conservatives are mean, so we let criminals do whatever they want.

"So we should let all criminals go because they have problems? " Besides you making shit up, where did anyone post that?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

KOMO News Special: Seattle is Dying


Unrestricted migration lousy leadership
Everything libs touch

Tough reality is not part of a Liberal agenda, how we sink deeper into denial...

They’re destined too fail with this mentality, and they want to tell you President Trump has no idea what he’s doing with the wall at our Southern Border? This is a case in point that clear demonstrates why you should enforce the laws...

Who is arguing against enforcing the laws? You guys just make this shit up. Or just buy the latest Hannity episode. Vote reps in that will change immigration laws and amend The Constitution.

Did you watch the video? Seattle Police officers answered a questionnaire anonymously and indicated that they've been told to stand down and not enforce many of the laws that can be used to lock people up who insist on being a nuisance.

 

[Andylusion]

KOMO News Special: Seattle is Dying


Unrestricted migration lousy leadership
Everything libs touch

That is not what it's about. As it says in the article and in the TV programs, why aren't we doing more to prevent crime, solve the homeless problem, and deal with drug abuse. These are major issues with liberals. These are homegrown problems and are not the result of migration.

I've lived in Seattle for years and what I have seen is a gross misallocation of resources, 3.3 billion dollars for a tunnel in the downtown section and one sports stadium after another and years of procrastination on the decision to expand light rail which will cost the city hundreds millions of dollars. There is nothing wrong with these projects but the city needs to make crime, drugs, and homelessness a priority.

Just for the sake of discussion... when you say 'make homelessness a priority'... what exactly do you mean by that? What would you expect them to do?

Crime is straight forward enough. Enforce the laws, and hire more police.

But when you say drugs... are you in favor of legalizing drugs, or pushing more people into prison for drug offenses?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

KOMO News Special: Seattle is Dying


Unrestricted migration lousy leadership
Everything libs touch

Tough reality is not part of a Liberal agenda, how we sink deeper into denial...

They’re destined too fail with this mentality, and they want to tell you President Trump has no idea what he’s doing with the wall at our Southern Border? This is a case in point that clear demonstrates why you should enforce the laws...

Who is arguing against enforcing the laws? You guys just make this shit up. Or just buy the latest Hannity episode. Vote reps in that will change immigration laws and amend The Constitution.

Typical, watch the video, then tell me they’re enforcing the laws! Until then, stay off the thread...

Typical. Since you can't articulate a thesis, then I am not watching your video. Just that simple.

Thank you OL.

There is no reason to watch it. KOMO is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting whose been in bed with Trump since he started campaigning. It's a hatchet job. Sinclair's goal has been to counteract the bias by major networks by broadcasting biased programs at the local level. This is a good example.

Although the video continuously blames the city administration, mayor, and city counsel, and the courts, nowhere in the video did they interview the chief of police, the mayor, city councilmen, or anyone from justice. Nowhere in the video did they address what is being done to prevent homelessness.

The only solution the video offered was to jail the homeless, which include nearly 3000 families with women and children. Most of Seattle homeless have never been charged with a crime yet the video see the jail as the solution.

Did the miss the part where 100 individuals are responsible for 3,600 criminal cases in the last 6 - 12 months?

 

[Flopper]

Typical, watch the video, then tell me they’re enforcing the laws! Until then, stay off the thread...

Typical. Since you can't articulate a thesis, then I am not watching your video. Just that simple.

Thank you OL.

There is no reason to watch it. KOMO is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting whose been in bed with Trump since he started campaigning. It's a hatchet job. Sinclair's goal has been to counteract the bias by major networks by broadcasting biased programs at the local level. This is a good example.

Although the video continuously blames the city administration, mayor, and city counsel, and the courts, nowhere in the video did they interview the chief of police, the mayor, city councilmen, or anyone from justice. Nowhere in the video did they address what is being done to prevent homelessness.

The only solution the video offered was to jail the homeless, which include nearly 3000 families with women and children. Most of Seattle homeless have never been charged with a crime yet the video see the jail as the solution.

And who else is to blame for it? In your first post (#7) you said "why aren't we doing more to prevent crime, solve the homeless problem, and deal with drug abuse. These are major issues with liberals. These are homegrown problems and are not the result of migration."

Those are NOT issues with liberals, those issues are created by liberals.

Bull Shit!
Serious social problem, such as crime, mental and physical illness, addiction, and poverty have always existed in our largest cites in the US. Large numbers of people living in small areas forces social interactions leading to stress, violence, and isolation.

The reactions of conservatives to social problems have always been to ignore causes of the problems and enact punitive rather than rehabilitative measures on the results. For the abandoned mother with 3 kids, the conservative response has been to blame the woman for having too many kids and tell her to get a second job. For those suffering from addiction, conservatives see it as a bad life choice and thus requiring punishment. The solution to poverty is to get a job regardless of whether you can do it or not. HIV is a punishment for sins so repent. The solution to more crime is more punishment. Healthcare and education is for those that can afford.

Liberal leadership in the large cities is a reaction to the inaction of conservatives. Conservatives have written off our largest because they have no viable solution for the problems.

Seattle used to show up in "Parade", the sunday edition newspaper magazine of the 60s, 70s and 80s. If memory serves Seattle, LA, NYC and Miami almost never got favorable mention. What if anything has changed?

U.S. News analyzed 125 metro areas in the United States to find the best places to live based on quality of life and the job market in each metro area, as well as the value of living there and people's desire to live there.
Seattle rates #10 in Best Places to Live. #30 for Retirement. Seattle has just had it's 8 consecutive record high in tourism. Over 40 million tourist visit Seattle each year. It's also consistently rated in the top 10 in the country for healthcare.

I have lived in Seattle, New York, LA, Atlanta, New Orleans, Miami, and a number of smaller places. What is good or bad about a city depends on what you're looking.

The natural beauty of Seattle – it's surrounded by both mountains and water on two sides – is one of the biggest draws for residents.

The scenery and proximity to nature, perhaps, contribute to Seattle's inherent attitude: one of calm and patience. Locals are mocked for always allowing others to merge on the freeway, but that attitude extends to everyday life, where coffee shops harbor intellectual discussions, and nightlife is more about chilling with a beer at the bar than wild nights on the dance floor.

Seattle has had strong and persistent economic growth. Unemployment is low and there's great job opportunities particularly in technology and healthcare.

Like most large cities, Seattle is both very safe and very dangerous depending where you go. Seattle ranks lower than most large cities in crime rate and much lower in violent crime.

In winter, the Seattle area is pretty mild for being so far north, not much snow in winter but plenty of snow in the mountains, a half hour drive out of the city. Summers are mild and most people don't bother with air conditioning.

Seattle is also one of the most liberal cities in the country. Probably the only city in the country with a Red Square and a statue of Linen. It's also very multicultural. Unlike most large cities the largest ethnic group is neither African American nor Hispanic but Asian.

For the above reasons, Seattle is growing at a rate of about 1000 people a week which has resulted in a number of problems, more homeless, terrible traffic congestion, and sky high real estate prices.
https://realestate.usnews.com/places/washington/seattle

 

[Dragonlady]

You searched for komo news - Media Bias/Fact Check

LOL. Pictures don't lie dude.

Really? Do you think my great granddaughter is sitting on the Iron Throne?

Ever heard of Photoshop?


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So that's your apologetic for the Seattle situation?

The United States has an opioid crisis, which the past three administrations have utterly ignored, and this President continues to blame illegal immigration for. All of Trump's time, money and attention for the past year has been focused on building a useless wall, while Trump continues to ignore the fact that 70,000 people are dying of opioid abuse every year, and that death toll contionues to mount.

Violent crime in the mid-west is now at higher levels than violent crime in the inner cities, and that poor, broke, unemployed white people are just as drug addicted and violent as inner city blacks when they lose all of their money and opportunity, too.

At the root of all of this is the failure of successive Republican administrations to deal with the effects of wage stagnation, and off-shoring that began when Reagan gutted the anti-trust regulations put in place during the Guilded Age, and destroyed the unions that lifting working Americans out of poverty for 30 years following WWII.

Republicans have convinced working Americans that despite the lowest wage to GDP/ratio since the Guilded Age, and the highest corporate profits in the history of the world, and the largest, best equipped military force the world has ever seen, American corporations cannot provide the simple assurances of life that all of the other first world nations give to the people who are producing their goods and services:

mandated vactions
maternity leave
universal health care
quality public school education

Americans are frightened, anxious, depressed, and suicide rates are going up. As life becomes more uncertain for middle class Americans in terms of health care, work/life balance, and just having a government that is benefitting ALL of its citizens instead of pandering to the lowest elements among you.

All of the "socialist" crap you rail against, is just the bullshit and lies the Republican Party keeps feeding the gullible to keep Americans poor and dependent on "earned income credits" to eat, instead of living wages to all full-time workers, and to continue to funnel the profits their labour creates, to an every smaller group of people at the top.

Other nations in the world have resisted this transfer of wealth, and are growing their middle class, educating their people, and not getting involved in military build-ups, and useless foreign wars. Our life expectancy is going up, not down. Our qualifty of life is going up, not down, and our countries are pulling away from the USA, because we see where you're headed.

United we stand, and divided you fall. As long as you play the blame game - blaming immigrants, instead of the government policies which encourage illegals to come here, blaming race for inner city crime, not poverty, and not working together to find solutions, the situation will only get worse.

So now,, what are YOU going to do about these issues?

Since when are republicans responsible for a persons behavior?
You sound like a dry drunk. You may not drink but you have all the thinking errors of an alcoholic.

Republicans policies have favoured and rewarded the wealthy over the general public, and often to the detriment of the workers. Supply side economics don’t work. There must be both supply and demand.

Worker wages must be high enough to fuel demand. That’s no longer true, and with high levels of student debt, young adults aren’t leaving home, getting married or starting families until much later in life.

Lack of income for working Americans is slowing the economy.

 

[Flopper]

Wh

KOMO News Special: Seattle is Dying


Unrestricted migration lousy leadership
Everything libs touch

That is not what it's about. As it says in the article and in the TV programs, why aren't we doing more to prevent crime, solve the homeless problem, and deal with drug abuse. These are major issues with liberals. These are homegrown problems and are not the result of migration.

I've lived in Seattle for years and what I have seen is a gross misallocation of resources, 3.3 billion dollars for a tunnel in the downtown section and one sports stadium after another and years of procrastination on the decision to expand light rail which will cost the city hundreds millions of dollars. There is nothing wrong with these projects but the city needs to make crime, drugs, and homelessness a priority.

Just for the sake of discussion... when you say 'make homelessness a priority'... what exactly do you mean by that? What would you expect them to do?

Crime is straight forward enough. Enforce the laws, and hire more police.

But when you say drugs... are you in favor of legalizing drugs, or pushing more people into prison for drug offenses?

When I say make the homelessness a priority, I mean we should follow the plan such as has been used in Salt Lake City (google it for details) which means provide housing for the chronic homeless defined as over 1 year of living on the streets with documented physical or mental disabilities and addiction to drugs or alcohol. This will cover most of the people that live on the streets of downtown Seattle as well as most other major cities. It requires both building domiciles and support after the people move in. Support is critical in helping these people get some form of work to pay their living expenses. The success rate is about 50% which is good for this type social service.

For non-chronic homelessness there is no real program because non-chronic homelessness is defined as being intermittent. A person loses their means of support and they are homeless a month or so, then they they get support through a job, family, or government support for few months, then they are on the streets again. Unfortunately, there is no prescribe program for this type of homelessness. We have to rely on other social welfare programs.

No, I am not in favor of legalizing hard drugs, PCP, Cocaine, Heroine, etc. Our currently recognized drug programs and at risk programs have a good record of success which about 40% to 60%.

 

[Flopper]

Tough reality is not part of a Liberal agenda, how we sink deeper into denial...

They’re destined too fail with this mentality, and they want to tell you President Trump has no idea what he’s doing with the wall at our Southern Border? This is a case in point that clear demonstrates why you should enforce the laws...

Who is arguing against enforcing the laws? You guys just make this shit up. Or just buy the latest Hannity episode. Vote reps in that will change immigration laws and amend The Constitution.

Typical, watch the video, then tell me they’re enforcing the laws! Until then, stay off the thread...

Typical. Since you can't articulate a thesis, then I am not watching your video. Just that simple.

Thank you OL.

There is no reason to watch it. KOMO is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting whose been in bed with Trump since he started campaigning. It's a hatchet job. Sinclair's goal has been to counteract the bias by major networks by broadcasting biased programs at the local level. This is a good example.

Although the video continuously blames the city administration, mayor, and city counsel, and the courts, nowhere in the video did they interview the chief of police, the mayor, city councilmen, or anyone from justice. Nowhere in the video did they address what is being done to prevent homelessness.

The only solution the video offered was to jail the homeless, which include nearly 3000 families with women and children. Most of Seattle homeless have never been charged with a crime yet the video see the jail as the solution.

Did the miss the part where 100 individuals are responsible for 3,600 criminal cases in the last 6 - 12 months?

I think if you look at those cases, you'll find they are mostly petty crimes such as vagrancy, disorderly conduct, sleeping on public property, illicit drug use which carry a small fine or a short time in jail which is exactly what the prep is hoping for, a few weeks or months in a bed off the streets and out the cold. For the chronic homeless jail is not a deterrent. For the city it's a costly punishment that does no good at all. As one judge said, for the cost of prosecuting, providing a defense attorney, court expenses, and jail we could put these people up at the Hilton for 3 months and save the city money.

 

[Andylusion]

Wh

KOMO News Special: Seattle is Dying


Unrestricted migration lousy leadership
Everything libs touch

That is not what it's about. As it says in the article and in the TV programs, why aren't we doing more to prevent crime, solve the homeless problem, and deal with drug abuse. These are major issues with liberals. These are homegrown problems and are not the result of migration.

I've lived in Seattle for years and what I have seen is a gross misallocation of resources, 3.3 billion dollars for a tunnel in the downtown section and one sports stadium after another and years of procrastination on the decision to expand light rail which will cost the city hundreds millions of dollars. There is nothing wrong with these projects but the city needs to make crime, drugs, and homelessness a priority.

Just for the sake of discussion... when you say 'make homelessness a priority'... what exactly do you mean by that? What would you expect them to do?

Crime is straight forward enough. Enforce the laws, and hire more police.

But when you say drugs... are you in favor of legalizing drugs, or pushing more people into prison for drug offenses?

When I say make the homelessness a priority, I mean we should follow the plan such as has been used in Salt Lake City (google it for details) which means provide housing for the chronic homeless defined as over 1 year of living on the streets with documented physical or mental disabilities and addiction to drugs or alcohol. This will cover most of the people that live on the streets of downtown Seattle as well as most other major cities. It requires both building domiciles and support after the people move in. Support is critical in helping these people get some form of work to pay their living expenses. The success rate is about 50% which is good for this type social service.

For non-chronic homelessness there is no real program because non-chronic homelessness is defined as being intermittent. A person loses their means of support and they are homeless a month or so, then they they get support through a job, family, or government support for few months, then they are on the streets again. Unfortunately, there is no prescribe program for this type of homelessness. We have to rely on other social welfare programs.

No, I am not in favor of legalizing hard drugs, PCP, Cocaine, Heroine, etc. Our currently recognized drug programs and at risk programs have a good record of success which about 40% to 60%.

But it all boils down to having the money. When you don't have the money, you don't have the money.

I was looking into the Salt Lake City deal, and discovered two articles that basically... shattered the entire concept.

The first from Huffpost....
Think Utah Solved Homelessness? Think Again | HuffPost

The decline of homelessness, was more a factor of changing definitions of who was counted as homeless, and who was not.

In short, the dramatic decline in homelessness, was largely fiction. That doesn't mean they didn't move many people off the street and into subsidized apartments and government funded shelters. They did.

Once a national model, Utah struggles with homelessness

However, even there the solution was not a long term fix.

10 years ago when they came up with subsidizing apartments, many land owners faced with the economic down turn, and loss of tenants, were more than willing to accept low rents from government subsidized renters. Today that isn't the case.

The government has run out of money. They simply can't afford this anymore, and people are back on the street, and in larger numbers than before.

Additionally, the government shelters have ended up being home to the cartels which have set up shop for their favorite customers.

They are now just feeding money from the tax payers, through the homeless shelter occupants, right into the hands of the drug cartels. That is not a plan.

Even if it was a plan, the government simply doesn't have the money for more low cost apartments, or more shelters.

So unless you have more information, I'm labeling that idea a bust.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Who is arguing against enforcing the laws? You guys just make this shit up. Or just buy the latest Hannity episode. Vote reps in that will change immigration laws and amend The Constitution.

Typical, watch the video, then tell me they’re enforcing the laws! Until then, stay off the thread...

Typical. Since you can't articulate a thesis, then I am not watching your video. Just that simple.

Thank you OL.

There is no reason to watch it. KOMO is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting whose been in bed with Trump since he started campaigning. It's a hatchet job. Sinclair's goal has been to counteract the bias by major networks by broadcasting biased programs at the local level. This is a good example.

Although the video continuously blames the city administration, mayor, and city counsel, and the courts, nowhere in the video did they interview the chief of police, the mayor, city councilmen, or anyone from justice. Nowhere in the video did they address what is being done to prevent homelessness.

The only solution the video offered was to jail the homeless, which include nearly 3000 families with women and children. Most of Seattle homeless have never been charged with a crime yet the video see the jail as the solution.

Did the miss the part where 100 individuals are responsible for 3,600 criminal cases in the last 6 - 12 months?

I think if you look at those cases, you'll find they are mostly petty crimes such as vagrancy, disorderly conduct, sleeping on public property, illicit drug use which carry a small fine or a short time in jail which is exactly what the prep is hoping for, a few weeks or months in a bed off the streets and out the cold. For the chronic homeless jail is not a deterrent. For the city it's a costly punishment that does no good at all. As one judge said, for the cost of prosecuting, providing a defense attorney, court expenses, and jail we could put these people up at the Hilton for 3 months and save the city money.

Some are nuisance crimes, a lot seem to be property crimes (trespass, breaks ins/thefts) which are aggravating to the property owners, while any crimes of violence such as assaults of any type, I consider serious even if they are only misdemeanors. Taking a crap is someone's doorway is just nasty in addition ot being a health hazard. We don't allow people to let their dogs take a crap anywhere they please without the owner picking up after them so why would we let human beings who really should know better do so without any repercussions?

Do you work with the homeless or advocate for them? I once volunteered 12 hours overnight in a women's shelter at Temple De Hirsh Sinai and if no one told you, I think most people would be surprised to discover these women were homeless. On the other hand though I've worked in a very high end retail establishment in Pacific Place and there were people there always up to something and far too many of them felt it necessary to challenge the authority of some of us. That is one of the reasons why I could see the writing on the wall when Starbucks announced that you no longer had to be a "customer" to come in and use their restrooms. The paramedics and/or the police used to come out on a fairly regular basis due to people overdosing in the restrooms and doing all sort of other things which oftentimes created an impediment for legitimate customers, not just in our store but throughout the mall.

 

[GWV5903]

Typical. Since you can't articulate a thesis, then I am not watching your video. Just that simple.

Thank you OL.

There is no reason to watch it. KOMO is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting whose been in bed with Trump since he started campaigning. It's a hatchet job. Sinclair's goal has been to counteract the bias by major networks by broadcasting biased programs at the local level. This is a good example.

Although the video continuously blames the city administration, mayor, and city counsel, and the courts, nowhere in the video did they interview the chief of police, the mayor, city councilmen, or anyone from justice. Nowhere in the video did they address what is being done to prevent homelessness.

The only solution the video offered was to jail the homeless, which include nearly 3000 families with women and children. Most of Seattle homeless have never been charged with a crime yet the video see the jail as the solution.

And who else is to blame for it? In your first post (#7) you said "why aren't we doing more to prevent crime, solve the homeless problem, and deal with drug abuse. These are major issues with liberals. These are homegrown problems and are not the result of migration."

Those are NOT issues with liberals, those issues are created by liberals.

Bull Shit!
Serious social problem, such as crime, mental and physical illness, addiction, and poverty have always existed in our largest cites in the US. Large numbers of people living in small areas forces social interactions leading to stress, violence, and isolation.

The reactions of conservatives to social problems have always been to ignore causes of the problems and enact punitive rather than rehabilitative measures on the results. For the abandoned mother with 3 kids, the conservative response has been to blame the woman for having too many kids and tell her to get a second job. For those suffering from addiction, conservatives see it as a bad life choice and thus requiring punishment. The solution to poverty is to get a job regardless of whether you can do it or not. HIV is a punishment for sins so repent. The solution to more crime is more punishment. Healthcare and education is for those that can afford.

Liberal leadership in the large cities is a reaction to the inaction of conservatives. Conservatives have written off our largest because they have no viable solution for the problems.

So we should let all criminals go because they have problems? You have created a situation where no crime is punished. It is the old Oprah syndrome. The murderer had a tough childhood, let him go. You are letting people crap in public, park junk rvs wherever they want, and commit violent acts. Seattle is called Free- atlle, because criminals know they can do whatever they want and the law is forced to look away. You can't just say conservatives are mean, so we let criminals do whatever they want.

"So we should let all criminals go because they have problems? " Besides you making shit up, where did anyone post that?

Have you watched the video yet or are you still acting the fool?

Money is you're still acting the fool...

 

[GWV5903]

Who is arguing against enforcing the laws? You guys just make this shit up. Or just buy the latest Hannity episode. Vote reps in that will change immigration laws and amend The Constitution.

Typical, watch the video, then tell me they’re enforcing the laws! Until then, stay off the thread...

Typical. Since you can't articulate a thesis, then I am not watching your video. Just that simple.

Thank you OL.

There is no reason to watch it. KOMO is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting whose been in bed with Trump since he started campaigning. It's a hatchet job. Sinclair's goal has been to counteract the bias by major networks by broadcasting biased programs at the local level. This is a good example.

Although the video continuously blames the city administration, mayor, and city counsel, and the courts, nowhere in the video did they interview the chief of police, the mayor, city councilmen, or anyone from justice. Nowhere in the video did they address what is being done to prevent homelessness.

The only solution the video offered was to jail the homeless, which include nearly 3000 families with women and children. Most of Seattle homeless have never been charged with a crime yet the video see the jail as the solution.

Did the miss the part where 100 individuals are responsible for 3,600 criminal cases in the last 6 - 12 months?

I think if you look at those cases, you'll find they are mostly petty crimes such as vagrancy, disorderly conduct, sleeping on public property, illicit drug use which carry a small fine or a short time in jail which is exactly what the prep is hoping for, a few weeks or months in a bed off the streets and out the cold. For the chronic homeless jail is not a deterrent. For the city it's a costly punishment that does no good at all. As one judge said, for the cost of prosecuting, providing a defense attorney, court expenses, and jail we could put these people up at the Hilton for 3 months and save the city money.

To continue and justify this is ludicrous! No one is denying they need help, but this isn't helping them. What you're saying is "It's okay to destroy the environment you occupy and the people who you affect it's just too bad for them", that's a recipe for disaster. The laws are to protect the innocent, in this documentary its quit clear plenty of innocent people are affected negatively and the elected leadership of Seattle is oblivious to their constituents. We will not survive as a nation with this lack of logic...

 

[JimBowie1958]

just sayin'

 

[JimBowie1958]

Typical, watch the video, then tell me they’re enforcing the laws! Until then, stay off the thread...

Typical. Since you can't articulate a thesis, then I am not watching your video. Just that simple.

Thank you OL.

There is no reason to watch it. KOMO is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting whose been in bed with Trump since he started campaigning. It's a hatchet job. Sinclair's goal has been to counteract the bias by major networks by broadcasting biased programs at the local level. This is a good example.

Although the video continuously blames the city administration, mayor, and city counsel, and the courts, nowhere in the video did they interview the chief of police, the mayor, city councilmen, or anyone from justice. Nowhere in the video did they address what is being done to prevent homelessness.

The only solution the video offered was to jail the homeless, which include nearly 3000 families with women and children. Most of Seattle homeless have never been charged with a crime yet the video see the jail as the solution.

Did the miss the part where 100 individuals are responsible for 3,600 criminal cases in the last 6 - 12 months?

I think if you look at those cases, you'll find they are mostly petty crimes such as vagrancy, disorderly conduct, sleeping on public property, illicit drug use which carry a small fine or a short time in jail which is exactly what the prep is hoping for, a few weeks or months in a bed off the streets and out the cold. For the chronic homeless jail is not a deterrent. For the city it's a costly punishment that does no good at all. As one judge said, for the cost of prosecuting, providing a defense attorney, court expenses, and jail we could put these people up at the Hilton for 3 months and save the city money.

To continue and justify this is ludicrous! No one is denying they need help, but this isn't helping them. What you're saying is "It's okay to destroy the environment you occupy and the people who you affect it's just too bad for them", that's a recipe for disaster. The laws are to protect the innocent, in this documentary its quit clear plenty of innocent people are affected negatively and the elected leadership of Seattle is oblivious to their constituents. We will not survive as a nation with this lack of logic...

If these homeless people were put on work gangs to clean up their shit, they would go elsewhere.

 

[Flopper]

Wh

KOMO News Special: Seattle is Dying


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Everything libs touch

That is not what it's about. As it says in the article and in the TV programs, why aren't we doing more to prevent crime, solve the homeless problem, and deal with drug abuse. These are major issues with liberals. These are homegrown problems and are not the result of migration.

I've lived in Seattle for years and what I have seen is a gross misallocation of resources, 3.3 billion dollars for a tunnel in the downtown section and one sports stadium after another and years of procrastination on the decision to expand light rail which will cost the city hundreds millions of dollars. There is nothing wrong with these projects but the city needs to make crime, drugs, and homelessness a priority.

Just for the sake of discussion... when you say 'make homelessness a priority'... what exactly do you mean by that? What would you expect them to do?

Crime is straight forward enough. Enforce the laws, and hire more police.

But when you say drugs... are you in favor of legalizing drugs, or pushing more people into prison for drug offenses?

When I say make the homelessness a priority, I mean we should follow the plan such as has been used in Salt Lake City (google it for details) which means provide housing for the chronic homeless defined as over 1 year of living on the streets with documented physical or mental disabilities and addiction to drugs or alcohol. This will cover most of the people that live on the streets of downtown Seattle as well as most other major cities. It requires both building domiciles and support after the people move in. Support is critical in helping these people get some form of work to pay their living expenses. The success rate is about 50% which is good for this type social service.

For non-chronic homelessness there is no real program because non-chronic homelessness is defined as being intermittent. A person loses their means of support and they are homeless a month or so, then they they get support through a job, family, or government support for few months, then they are on the streets again. Unfortunately, there is no prescribe program for this type of homelessness. We have to rely on other social welfare programs.

No, I am not in favor of legalizing hard drugs, PCP, Cocaine, Heroine, etc. Our currently recognized drug programs and at risk programs have a good record of success which about 40% to 60%.

But it all boils down to having the money. When you don't have the money, you don't have the money.

I was looking into the Salt Lake City deal, and discovered two articles that basically... shattered the entire concept.

The first from Huffpost....
Think Utah Solved Homelessness? Think Again | HuffPost

The decline of homelessness, was more a factor of changing definitions of who was counted as homeless, and who was not.

In short, the dramatic decline in homelessness, was largely fiction. That doesn't mean they didn't move many people off the street and into subsidized apartments and government funded shelters. They did.

Once a national model, Utah struggles with homelessness

However, even there the solution was not a long term fix.

10 years ago when they came up with subsidizing apartments, many land owners faced with the economic down turn, and loss of tenants, were more than willing to accept low rents from government subsidized renters. Today that isn't the case.

The government has run out of money. They simply can't afford this anymore, and people are back on the street, and in larger numbers than before.

Additionally, the government shelters have ended up being home to the cartels which have set up shop for their favorite customers.

They are now just feeding money from the tax payers, through the homeless shelter occupants, right into the hands of the drug cartels. That is not a plan.

Even if it was a plan, the government simply doesn't have the money for more low cost apartments, or more shelters.

So unless you have more information, I'm labeling that idea a bust.

As I said, programs such as this have a success rate of about 50%, certainly not 91% as was claimed. Seattle, and other cities have been studying what Salt Lake City has done and how it can be improved. The simple fact is no one has come up with a really effective program for chronic homelessness. We know the things that don't solve the problem such as jail, transporting, more homeless shelters, and job programs.

Seattle is now requiring that 5% to 11% of all new housing units be low income housing. This is not likely to have much effect on the chronic homeless but it may reduce the numbers in the future because essentially all of the chronic homeless began as non-chronic.