Scotland Was Allowed To Vote On Secession. Why Can't The American States?

[ShootSpeeders]

Simply put, the war started when Confederate traitors attacked their own country, the United States, by way of secession.

HAHAHA. Secession is an attack?? If you divorce your wife, are you attacking her? THINK

 

[bodecea]

Simply put, the war started when Confederate traitors attacked their own country, the United States, by way of secession.

HAHAHA. Secession is an attack?? If you divorce your wife, are you attacking her? THINK

Secession was no big thing...they would have come crawling back sooner or later....but when they started shooting, they screwed themselves over. Sucked to be them after that.

 

[bripat9643]

Simply put, the war started when Confederate traitors attacked their own country, the United States, by way of secession.

Hmmm . . . let me explain something about the definition of the term "secede." It doesn't translate to mean "attack."

Call it whatever you want, it was an act of war instigated by traitors to the country which seeked to destroy the United States and took over its territories.

Wrong, asshole. Secession is not an act of war. Go find any reference you want and you won't find secession listed as an act of war. The South had no intention of taking over any part of the United States.

I don't care one bit what traitors call their treasonous actions. Treason against the country will not be tolerated. Punishment: death.

I don't care one bit who ignorant dumbasses like you want to call traitors. You obviously don't know the meaning of the term. You just want to vilify Southerners and blame them for the Civil War so you call them traitors, regardless of the legal meaning of the term. It's pointless to even argue with someone who makes it clear he doesn't give a damn what the facts are.

You obviously aren't capable of committing logic or absorbing obvious facts. Ridicule is the only thing a moron like you is fit for.

 

[bodecea]

That's the only choice you can make in the situation when you have a gun held to your head.

At least you get to choose. Most of the time, your enemy choose for you to die.

Wow, liberals are such great humanitarians. They only want what's best for the people, even if they have to kill them.

All traitors must die.

Lincoln was the traitor according to the definition in the Constitution. Allow me to quote:

"Treason against the United State(s), shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."​

Note that it uses the plural "them." So treason shall consist of making war against any of the states in the union. Lincoln and his thug associates are the ones who made war against the states, not the Confederacy.

Are you really this stupid? Once the states had seceded they were no longer entitled to the protections of the US Constitution.

If they were sovereign countries, then Lincoln prosecuted a war of aggression against a peaceful neighbor. The Union had no right to occupy foreign sovereign territory at Fort Sumter. It had no right to send in supply ships to intrude on the territorial waters of South Carolina. In short, if yu acknowledge that the Confederate states where foreign countries, then you acknowledge they had a right to secede and that Lincoln was totally in the wrong when he invaded them.

Talk about stupid.

It's not aggression...the "Confederacy" fired on a U.S. Federal fort without provocation. Then it was on.

 

[bripat9643]

Simply put, the war started when Confederate traitors attacked their own country, the United States, by way of secession.

HAHAHA. Secession is an attack?? If you divorce your wife, are you attacking her? THINK

Secession was no big thing...they would have come crawling back sooner or later....but when they started shooting, they screwed themselves over. Sucked to be them after that.

Lincoln is the one who invaded Virginia and blockaded Southern ports. :Lincoln is the one who started the shooting.

 

[bodecea]

Simply put, the war started when Confederate traitors attacked their own country, the United States, by way of secession.

HAHAHA. Secession is an attack?? If you divorce your wife, are you attacking her? THINK

Secession was no big thing...they would have come crawling back sooner or later....but when they started shooting, they screwed themselves over. Sucked to be them after that.

Lincoln is the one who invaded Virginia and blockaded Southern ports. :Lincoln is the one who started the shooting.

Nope...Fort Sumter came first. Or do you think an American President should just let the shooting at an American Installation go without response?

 

[bripat9643]

Wow, liberals are such great humanitarians. They only want what's best for the people, even if they have to kill them.

All traitors must die.

Lincoln was the traitor according to the definition in the Constitution. Allow me to quote:

"Treason against the United State(s), shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."​

Note that it uses the plural "them." So treason shall consist of making war against any of the states in the union. Lincoln and his thug associates are the ones who made war against the states, not the Confederacy.

Are you really this stupid? Once the states had seceded they were no longer entitled to the protections of the US Constitution.

If they were sovereign countries, then Lincoln prosecuted a war of aggression against a peaceful neighbor. The Union had no right to occupy foreign sovereign territory at Fort Sumter. It had no right to send in supply ships to intrude on the territorial waters of South Carolina. In short, if yu acknowledge that the Confederate states where foreign countries, then you acknowledge they had a right to secede and that Lincoln was totally in the wrong when he invaded them.

Talk about stupid.

It's not aggression...the "Confederacy" fired on a U.S. Federal fort without provocation. Then it was on.

Federal troops were occupying Ft Sumter against all the rules of international law, and Lincoln sent ships to intrude on South Carolina waters in an attempt to resupply the fort. Those are both acts of war. Who did the shooting first is irrelevant.

 

[bripat9643]

Simply put, the war started when Confederate traitors attacked their own country, the United States, by way of secession.

HAHAHA. Secession is an attack?? If you divorce your wife, are you attacking her? THINK

Secession was no big thing...they would have come crawling back sooner or later....but when they started shooting, they screwed themselves over. Sucked to be them after that.

Lincoln is the one who invaded Virginia and blockaded Southern ports. :Lincoln is the one who started the shooting.

Nope...Fort Sumter came first. Or do you think an American President should just let the shooting at an American Installation go without response?

The occupation of Sumter and attempt to resupply it came first. Those are both acts of war.

It really is hilarious to watch the Lincoln cult members trying to salvage the reputation of their tarnished hero.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

It's not aggression...the "Confederacy" fired on a U.S. Federal fort without provocation. Then it was on.

A US federal fort that was now in a foreign country and whose occupants refused to leave as ordered. Tons of provocation.

 

[MaxGrit]

Hmmm . . . let me explain something about the definition of the term "secede." It doesn't translate to mean "attack."

Call it whatever you want, it was an act of war instigated by traitors to the country which seeked to destroy the United States and took over its territories.

I don't care one bit what traitors call their treasonous actions. Treason against the country will not be tolerated. Punishment: death.

HAHAHA. How in the name of god is secession an act of war.? And the south had no interest in taking over any territories. The Civil war was not really a civil war when you come right down to it. The south just wanted to be left alone. They had no interest in controlling the northern states. You are a blithering idiot.

Southern states belong to the United States. Thus it was an illegal conquest by traitors.

Reality is vae victis.

Or if you prefer English:

You got fucked and there is nothing you can do about it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It's not aggression...the "Confederacy" fired on a U.S. Federal fort without provocation. Then it was on.

A US federal fort that was now in a foreign country and whose occupants refused to leave as ordered. Tons of provocation.

Incorrect.


There was no 'foreign country,' South Carolina and rest of the South have always been part of the United States, always subject to Federal jurisdiction, as no state 'left' the Union (Texas v. White (1869)).

 

[Discombobulated]

All traitors must die.

Lincoln was the traitor according to the definition in the Constitution. Allow me to quote:

"Treason against the United State(s), shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."​

Note that it uses the plural "them." So treason shall consist of making war against any of the states in the union. Lincoln and his thug associates are the ones who made war against the states, not the Confederacy.

Are you really this stupid? Once the states had seceded they were no longer entitled to the protections of the US Constitution.

If they were sovereign countries, then Lincoln prosecuted a war of aggression against a peaceful neighbor. The Union had no right to occupy foreign sovereign territory at Fort Sumter. It had no right to send in supply ships to intrude on the territorial waters of South Carolina. In short, if yu acknowledge that the Confederate states where foreign countries, then you acknowledge they had a right to secede and that Lincoln was totally in the wrong when he invaded them.

Talk about stupid.

It's not aggression...the "Confederacy" fired on a U.S. Federal fort without provocation. Then it was on.

Federal troops were occupying Ft Sumter against all the rules of international law, and Lincoln sent ships to intrude on South Carolina waters in an attempt to resupply the fort. Those are both acts of war. Who did the shooting first is irrelevant.

I had no idea there were international laws in the 19th century that protected traitors engaged in illegal armed rebellion.

 

[Discombobulated]

Simply put, the war started when Confederate traitors attacked their own country, the United States, by way of secession.

HAHAHA. Secession is an attack?? If you divorce your wife, are you attacking her? THINK

Secession was no big thing...they would have come crawling back sooner or later....but when they started shooting, they screwed themselves over. Sucked to be them after that.

Lincoln is the one who invaded Virginia and blockaded Southern ports. :Lincoln is the one who started the shooting.

Nope...Fort Sumter came first. Or do you think an American President should just let the shooting at an American Installation go without response?

The occupation of Sumter and attempt to resupply it came first. Those are both acts of war.

It really is hilarious to watch the Lincoln cult members trying to salvage the reputation of their tarnished hero.

It's the people who start the shooting who are the aggressors, not the other way around. I wonder what the immediate imperative was to commence hostilities? Why were the Confederates in such a rush to start a war?

 

[Discombobulated]

All traitors must die.

Lincoln was the traitor according to the definition in the Constitution. Allow me to quote:

"Treason against the United State(s), shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."​

Note that it uses the plural "them." So treason shall consist of making war against any of the states in the union. Lincoln and his thug associates are the ones who made war against the states, not the Confederacy.

Are you really this stupid? Once the states had seceded they were no longer entitled to the protections of the US Constitution.

If they were sovereign countries, then Lincoln prosecuted a war of aggression against a peaceful neighbor. The Union had no right to occupy foreign sovereign territory at Fort Sumter. It had no right to send in supply ships to intrude on the territorial waters of South Carolina. In short, if yu acknowledge that the Confederate states where foreign countries, then you acknowledge they had a right to secede and that Lincoln was totally in the wrong when he invaded them.

Talk about stupid.

It's not aggression...the "Confederacy" fired on a U.S. Federal fort without provocation. Then it was on.

Federal troops were occupying Ft Sumter against all the rules of international law, and Lincoln sent ships to intrude on South Carolina waters in an attempt to resupply the fort. Those are both acts of war. Who did the shooting first is irrelevant.

No states of the Confederacy had any waters or other sovereign territory to violate because they were not recognized by any nation.

 

[Discombobulated]

It's not aggression...the "Confederacy" fired on a U.S. Federal fort without provocation. Then it was on.

A US federal fort that was now in a foreign country and whose occupants refused to leave as ordered. Tons of provocation.

No provocation of any kind, none what so ever.

 

[Discombobulated]

Simply put, the war started when Confederate traitors attacked their own country, the United States, by way of secession.

HAHAHA. Secession is an attack?? If you divorce your wife, are you attacking her? THINK

Secession was no big thing...they would have come crawling back sooner or later....but when they started shooting, they screwed themselves over. Sucked to be them after that.

Lincoln is the one who invaded Virginia and blockaded Southern ports. :Lincoln is the one who started the shooting.

Confederates during the Civil War wouldn't have lied as often or said nearly as many completely stupid things as you have on this thread. It's time for your next lesson dip shit.

Southern Perceptions Abraham Lincoln Video C-SPAN.org

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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It's the people who start the shooting who are the aggressors, not the other way around.

So if you wake up to find an intruder in your house and you shoot him - then YOU are the aggressor?

 

[ShootSpeeders]

There was no 'foreign country,' South Carolina and rest of the South have always been part of the United States, always subject to Federal jurisdiction, as no state 'left' the Union (Texas v. White (1869)).

Another variation on the "You can't leave because we say you can't" ridiculous theme.

The british said the same thing to the original 13 colonies.

 

[Discombobulated]

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It's the people who start the shooting who are the aggressors, not the other way around.

So if you wake up to find an intruder in your house and you shoot him - then YOU are the aggressor?

Begs the questions: Why are these people so fucking stupid? Why are all the secession minded so impaired with a modest intellectual endowment? Why do they all sound like children?

 

[bripat9643]

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It's the people who start the shooting who are the aggressors, not the other way around.

So if you wake up to find an intruder in your house and you shoot him - then YOU are the aggressor?

That's the logic of the libturd apologists. In case you haven't noticed, they keep repeating the same arguments no matter how thoroughly you have exploded them. Looking at the facts and using logic isn't a characteristic of the Lincoln worshipers. They are members of a cult. They can't bare to see their savior's reputation tarnished.