SCIENTISTS!!! Earth been COOLING for 2,000 years NOT warming!

[GHook93]

It was from 1300 to roughly 1850!!! So it would make PERFECT SENSE that temperatures would have gone up from 1800s!!!


The Little Ice Age: How Climate Made History 1300-1850 | Becoming Human

No SHIT? Do you ever go to environment threads, or is this science shit brand new, for you?

Take a look at the recent trend, of global temperature, since 1880:

Let's go over some more, of this cool scientific shit! It turns out, solar intensity is less, but temperature is going UP. What do you suppose could do THAT?

Why, then! CO2 has been going UP, since humans have been clearing forests and burning fossil fuels. But then, humans got CHAINSAWS and CARS, so even though the Earth got less warmth, from the sun, the atmosphere retains more IR radiation, so we are heating the fuck UP:

Solar intensity has been relatively low, for the last several decades, our current cycle is cool, but temperature is going UP, and the climate is fucking up, bigtime. I wonder what the fuck you are trying to prove, since the next time that sun warms up, we are going right UP, past:

1. the Medieval Warming Period
2. the Roman Warming Period
3. the Minoan Warming Period
4. the Holocene Maximum
5. the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum

. . . toward the Permian-Triassic Extinction, which our Mass Extinction Event 6 will challenge, for top killer, of ALL GEOLOGIC TIME!! What are you trying to prove, HM?

 

[bobgnote]

No SHIT? Do you ever go to environment threads, or is this science shit brand new, for you?

Take a look at the recent trend, of global temperature, since 1880:

Let's go over some more, of this cool scientific shit! It turns out, solar intensity is less, but temperature is going UP. What do you suppose could do THAT?

Why, then! CO2 has been going UP, since humans have been clearing forests and burning fossil fuels. But then, humans got CHAINSAWS and CARS, so even though the Earth got less warmth, from the sun, the atmosphere retains more IR radiation, so we are heating the fuck UP:

Solar intensity has been relatively low, for the last several decades, our current cycle is cool, but temperature is going UP, and the climate is fucking up, bigtime. I wonder what the fuck you are trying to prove, since the next time that sun warms up, we are going right UP, past:

1. the Medieval Warming Period
2. the Roman Warming Period
3. the Minoan Warming Period
4. the Holocene Maximum
5. the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum

. . . toward the Permian-Triassic Extinction, which our Mass Extinction Event 6 will challenge, for top killer, of ALL GEOLOGIC TIME!! What are you trying to prove, HM?

"Of course you realize all your above temperature readings come from 87.5% of the world's land mass...
The reason I ask is because one of the criticism's of global warming data was
the exclusion over 50 years of data from 12.5% of the world's land mass.

Those readings were for Siberia and when added to the other readings would have
diminished the premise that the earth's temperature was rising.

"The number of [Siberian ]stations increased from 8 in 1901 to 23 in 1951 and
then decreased to 12 from 1989 to present Only four stations,
those at Irkutsk, Bratsk, Chita and Kirensk, cover the entire 20th century.

IEA analysts say climatologists use the data of stations located in large
populated centers that are influenced by the urban-warming effect
more frequently than the correct data of remote stations…

The IEA said it was necessary to recalculate all global-temperature data in order
to assess the scale of such exaggeration.
Climategatekeeping: Siberia « Climate Audit

Please dumb f...k explain how YOUR temperature readings ARE NOT higher because Siberian temperatures representing 12.5% of the WORLD's land mass aren't included?

Please ASSHOLE, explain why the cold war doesn't disprove global warming. So somebody had to adjust science, for politics. And they may have done that, since even after 1989, Russia is an oil exporter, which until recently had kept Russia Today News, from proper coverage, of climate change.

Apparently a lot of solar flare activity is evident. The solar cycle may be heating up. In which case, the Earth will get hot as hell, thanks to the greenhouse effect's amplification, of warming, all the way, through climate change.

 

[Katzndogz]

The earth's climate is always changing. Marsh becomes grassland, grassland gets taken over by forests. Seas become deserts. Mountains grow, and erode. We have periods of cooling and periods of warming. The reason the climate is in a constant state of flux is because the earth is a living planet. If we never had climate change, the earth would be a dead planet. The folly is that some believe that we are in control of the word's changing climate. It's no longer a natural occurrence, it is controlled by mankind. We alone control tornados, hurricanes, the temperature of the deserts. How arrogant.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

• Tree ring study gives first accurate climate reading back to 138BC
• World has been slowly cooling for 2,000 years
• World was warmer in Roman and Medieval times than it is now
• Study of semi-fossilised trees in Finland

'Our results suggest that the large-scale climate reconstruction shown by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) likely underestimate this long-term cooling trend over the past few millennia.’

Tree-ring study proves that climate was WARMER in Roman and Medieval times than it is in the modern industrial age | Mail Online

So the long term trend over 2000 years is cooling.

yet the short term trend over the past several decades is warming.

And that means AGW is false?


?

 

[flacaltenn]

• Tree ring study gives first accurate climate reading back to 138BC
• World has been slowly cooling for 2,000 years
• World was warmer in Roman and Medieval times than it is now
• Study of semi-fossilised trees in Finland

'Our results suggest that the large-scale climate reconstruction shown by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) likely underestimate this long-term cooling trend over the past few millennia.’

Tree-ring study proves that climate was WARMER in Roman and Medieval times than it is in the modern industrial age | Mail Online

What's your point? Why post this thread today? You have zero credibility on any topic upon which you post, for all of what you post is partisan. What if you're wrong?

The game being played by you and others on the right under any examination is evidence of hypocrisy, half-truths, lies and ignorance.

We on earth here today are here for only a short time, the damage we do to our air, water and soil will remain and impact future generations. The right worries about the debt we leave our children and grandchildren but never worry about the damage we leave behind. This is why you people are hypocrites. That your ignorance is in many cases willful, also speaks to the character of your kind.

Do you think your grandchildren's grandchildren will give a damn how much debt they inherited if they cannot breath clean air and the water they find is mostly polluted?

We're not discussing clean air or pollution. You must have CO2 confused with the Ministry of Truth edict. Which declared CO2 as pollutant PURELY for the political goal -- which you rightly despise. If it was a pollutant -- it wouldn't be in your lungs at concentrations exceeding the atmosphere around you.. Simple logic and reason.. CO2 is a threat only as a theory that involves "magnifying factors" that are still under debate -- despite the whining and edicts from Warmer Central..

 

[francoHFW]

You chumps are brainwashed by the Koch Bros. Look it up. You ignore the rest of the world and all the scientists except the bought off loudmouths. Stupidest party and voters in the world.

 

[flacaltenn]

I'm kinda torn on this one.. I pulled the paper last night but haven't read it yet..

The original paper in Nature is at ---

Orbital forcing of tree-ring data : Nature Climate Change : Nature Publishing Group

Solar insolation changes, resulting from long-term oscillations of orbital configurations1, are an important driver of Holocene climate2, 3. The forcing is substantial over the past 2,000 years, up to four times as large as the 1.6?W?m-2 net anthropogenic forcing since 1750 (ref. 4), but the trend varies considerably over time, space and with season5. Using numerous high-latitude proxy records, slow orbital changes have recently been shown6 to gradually force boreal summer temperature cooling over the common era. Here, we present new evidence based on maximum latewood density data from northern Scandinavia, indicating that this cooling trend was stronger (-0.31?°C per 1,000?years, ±0.03?°C) than previously reported, and demonstrate that this signature is missing in published tree-ring proxy records.

From an unknown I-net source ---

I think that I shall never see
A thermometer as bad as a tree.

1) A pox on both houses... Tree rings are only marginally better than tea leaves.

2) The corrections to the phoney manipulated "hockey stick" are relatively minor in the big scheme of things. What it DOES DO -- is to drive a nail into the deserving coffins of the careers for Mann/Brigga.

3) I find it amazing that rather than present their corrected data -- these jerks LEAP MOUNTAINS to tie that earth orbital dynamics. Talk about stretching your credentials.. (although I might find after reading the paper that did include authors with the appropriate creds..

Fascinating theory.. GREAT observations about TSIrradiance.

(BTW: the nasty disgusting troll known as BobGNote is now #1 on my ignore list. But his graph of TSI is PURPOSELY CUT at 1880. Because he doesn't want you to see the period in question from the early 1700 where this solar increase DOUBLED over what's shown in his convienient graph. Its such a relief to filter the profane creature -- I suggest it's almost blissful)

But I'd just acknowledge that PREVIOUS proxy data on tree rings was RIGGED and move on.

 

[flacaltenn]

It was from 1300 to roughly 1850!!! So it would make PERFECT SENSE that temperatures would have gone up from 1800s!!!

That's kinda the BIG contribution here. Because the IPCC phoney'd up the Hockey Stick that got us all excited and left the Little Ice Age out..

Then the Warmers got active after their corruption was exposed and started to argue that the LIA was NOT global.. (which this paper also addresses).

But when it's CONVIENIENT for them to use observations about stuff that's NOT GLOBAL, like the recent change in weather --- they always run with it anyways..

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

• Tree ring study gives first accurate climate reading back to 138BC
• World has been slowly cooling for 2,000 years
• World was warmer in Roman and Medieval times than it is now
• Study of semi-fossilised trees in Finland

'Our results suggest that the large-scale climate reconstruction shown by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) likely underestimate this long-term cooling trend over the past few millennia.’

Tree-ring study proves that climate was WARMER in Roman and Medieval times than it is in the modern industrial age | Mail Online

Already been posted. http://www.usmessageboard.com/environment/233704-global-warming.html

 

[bobgnote]

Look, Fecaltoons! If YOU want a graph or a study, go out and get one, you miserable queer. But when YOU find a graph or a study, it might be complete shit, since you are a fecophile.

I loaded several graphs, including the one you noted, when weather was also the subject, of instrument records. But you don't have any actual issues, to discuss, since you are a fecophile.

 

[skookerasbil]

You chumps are brainwashed by the Koch Bros. Look it up. You ignore the rest of the world and all the scientists except the bought off loudmouths. Stupidest party and voters in the world.

What a dummy....................


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And who, exactly, is not winning??

 

[daveman]

• Tree ring study gives first accurate climate reading back to 138BC
• World has been slowly cooling for 2,000 years
• World was warmer in Roman and Medieval times than it is now
• Study of semi-fossilised trees in Finland

'Our results suggest that the large-scale climate reconstruction shown by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) likely underestimate this long-term cooling trend over the past few millennia.’

Tree-ring study proves that climate was WARMER in Roman and Medieval times than it is in the modern industrial age | Mail Online

What's your point? Why post this thread today? You have zero credibility on any topic upon which you post, for all of what you post is partisan. What if you're wrong?

The game being played by you and others on the right under any examination is evidence of hypocrisy, half-truths, lies and ignorance.

We on earth here today are here for only a short time, the damage we do to our air, water and soil will remain and impact future generations. The right worries about the debt we leave our children and grandchildren but never worry about the damage we leave behind. This is why you people are hypocrites. That your ignorance is in many cases willful, also speaks to the character of your kind.

Do you think your grandchildren's grandchildren will give a damn how much debt they inherited if they cannot breath clean air and the water they find is mostly polluted?

Do you think your grandchildren's grandchildren will even be alive if the ecofascists get their way and eliminate all energy sources and most of humanity?

 

[daveman]

Liar!!!!!

It's not a lie, you fucking pinhead.

It is a lie, you fucking liar, and you know it because that lie has been debunked over and over again on this messageboard. It was mostly the MEDIA that warned of an Ice Age, Most scientific studies warned of global warming.

What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s?

Yeah. So where did the media get the idea? They just made it up?

Not likely.

 

[flacaltenn]

It's not a lie, you fucking pinhead.

It is a lie, you fucking liar, and you know it because that lie has been debunked over and over again on this messageboard. It was mostly the MEDIA that warned of an Ice Age, Most scientific studies warned of global warming.

What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s?

Yeah. So where did the media get the idea? They just made it up?

Not likely.

Only 68 papers on global climate for A 15 YEAR PERIOD?? No way Jose.. JUST ONE JOURNAL on climate would account for 100s of papers on climate..

I'm almost certain some embarrassed enviro-leftist selected WHICH 68 studies to include in that phoney factoid..

Doesn't pass the smell test by a mile.. Try again...

EdtheCynic should be a little more cynical.. Rash of irony on USMB names... LOL

 

[daveman]

It is a lie, you fucking liar, and you know it because that lie has been debunked over and over again on this messageboard. It was mostly the MEDIA that warned of an Ice Age, Most scientific studies warned of global warming.

What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s?

Yeah. So where did the media get the idea? They just made it up?

Not likely.

Only 68 papers on global climate for A 15 YEAR PERIOD?? No way Jose.. JUST ONE JOURNAL on climate would account for 100s of papers on climate..

I'm almost certain some embarrassed enviro-leftist selected WHICH 68 studies to include in that phoney factoid..

Doesn't pass the smell test by a mile.. Try again...

EdtheCynic should be a little more cynical.. Rash of irony on USMB names... LOL

Like all pro-AGW "science", the data was meticulously massaged and cherry-picked.

It's the only way they can make their case. Because reality doesn't support them.

 

[rdean]

• Tree ring study gives first accurate climate reading back to 138BC
• World has been slowly cooling for 2,000 years
• World was warmer in Roman and Medieval times than it is now
• Study of semi-fossilised trees in Finland

'Our results suggest that the large-scale climate reconstruction shown by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) likely underestimate this long-term cooling trend over the past few millennia.’

Tree-ring study proves that climate was WARMER in Roman and Medieval times than it is in the modern industrial age | Mail Online

Read the second post after your article. Hilarious.

 

[IanC]

It was from 1300 to roughly 1850!!! So it would make PERFECT SENSE that temperatures would have gone up from 1800s!!!

That's kinda the BIG contribution here. Because the IPCC phoney'd up the Hockey Stick that got us all excited and left the Little Ice Age out..

Then the Warmers got active after their corruption was exposed and started to argue that the LIA was NOT global.. (which this paper also addresses).

But when it's CONVIENIENT for them to use observations about stuff that's NOT GLOBAL, like the recent change in weather --- they always run with it anyways..

yes, its too bad the hockey team doesnt use the same standards to judge their own papers as they do to attack others.

what the world doesnt know is that many of the team's proxies hinge on one or two outliers. YAD061 is probably the most important tree in history because it give almost all of the hockey stick shape to the (truncated and cherrypicked) Yamal series. one tree! and most of the team's reconstructions use Yamal. Phil Jones sent out the 'delete all emails' email because he didnt want the IPCC shenanigans about Yamal to get out.

 

[IanC]

It's not a lie, you fucking pinhead.

It is a lie, you fucking liar, and you know it because that lie has been debunked over and over again on this messageboard. It was mostly the MEDIA that warned of an Ice Age, Most scientific studies warned of global warming.

What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s?

Yeah. So where did the media get the idea? They just made it up?

Not likely.

a decade or two from now there will be pie graphs showing that the 'real scientists' werent all saying that AGW would cause catastrophes. that it was only the media that distorted their message. hahahahaha. and the people then will probably believe it, just like the people today that didnt live through the 70's ice age scare believethat the scientists were calling for warming back in the 70's

 

[daveman]

It is a lie, you fucking liar, and you know it because that lie has been debunked over and over again on this messageboard. It was mostly the MEDIA that warned of an Ice Age, Most scientific studies warned of global warming.

What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s?

Yeah. So where did the media get the idea? They just made it up?

Not likely.

a decade or two from now there will be pie graphs showing that the 'real scientists' werent all saying that AGW would cause catastrophes. that it was only the media that distorted their message. hahahahaha. and the people then will probably believe it, just like the people today that didnt live through the 70's ice age scare believethat the scientists were calling for warming back in the 70's

But that doesn't account for people like Roxy, who lived through the 70's ice age scare, and is now either lying about it, or is so gullible he believes the lies about it despite his own personal experience.

 

[healthmyths]

I still haven't read any refutation or explanation of the following:

"The number of [Siberian ]stations increased from 8 in 1901 to 23 in 1951 and then decreased to 12 from 1989 to present Only four stations, those at Irkutsk, Bratsk, Chita and Kirensk, cover the entire 20th century.

IEA analysts say climatologists use the data of stations located in large populated centers that are influenced by the urban-warming effect more frequently than the correct data of remote stations…
The scale of global warming was exaggerated due to temperature distortions for Russia accounting
for 12.5% of the world’s land mass. The IEA said it was necessary to recalculate all global-temperature data in order to assess the scale of such exaggeration.
Climategatekeeping: Siberia « Climate Audit







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