Schumer pulled visa strings for Indian athlete now accused of child sex abuse

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First, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Second, yes, any response to this from some quarters would be almost certainly political. That being said...if Trump starts tweeting about this, Schumer is going to be in a deep hole for some time, his credibility and "judgement"; fairly or not, will be damaged.

Schumer pulled visa strings for Indian athlete now accused of child sex abuse

A snowshoe racer from India whose entry into the U.S. to compete was made possible by Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer was being held Friday in a New York jail on a sex charge.

The U.S. embassy in New Delhi last month rejected Tanveer Hussain’s application for a visa so he could compete in the World Snowshoe Championship in upstate. Local officials then intervened on Hussain’s behalf, appealing for help to the offices of Schumer and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y. Their offices reached out to the New Delhi embassy, which allowed Hussain to reapply for a visa and granted that visa.

“Obviously, this is a troubling matter for him — these are troubling accusations,” Brian Barrett, Hussain’s lawyer, told Fox News over the phone. “He is in good spirits and he looks forward to fighting these charges.”

Saranac Lake Police Chief Charles Potthast told Fox News that the charges, one of first-degree sexual abuse, a felony, and another of endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor, stem from Hussain “engaging in a passionate kiss” with a 12-year-old girl, and accusations of the athlete touching her over her clothing in an “intimate area.”
 
I'm not sure why this should matter unless Schumer new ahead of time that this guy would commit a crime or had at some point committed a crime.
 
I'm not sure why this should matter unless Schumer new ahead of time that this guy would commit a crime or had at some point committed a crime.

As I said it would be for political purposes.

Anytime such a situation occurs the questions are asked: "did you know this persons background before you worked to get him a Visa?", "what was the vetting process"? etc.

Furthermore, it could be used as evidence that in a broader sense, America has to be more careful about who it allows into it's country from overseas.
 
I'm not sure why this should matter unless Schumer new ahead of time that this guy would commit a crime or had at some point committed a crime.

The point is the American Embassy was correct in denying this man a visa, why did this Schumer and Gillibrand decide they knew better than the American Embassy in New Delhi, now a 12 year-old has been sexually molested by this knuckledragger.

From the article.

"The U.S. embassy in New Delhi last month rejected Tanveer Hussain’s application for a visa so he could compete in the World Snowshoe Championship in upstate. Local officials then intervened on Hussain’s behalf, appealing for help to the offices of Schumer and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y. Their offices reached out to the New Delhi embassy, which allowed Hussain to reapply for a visa and granted that visa."

So the American Embassy last month felt this man was inappropriate to be given a visa, but this Schumer and Gillibrand decided that he was okay, so they intervened and against the American Embassy initial advice he was given a visa and once in America he committed the below.

"Saranac Lake Police Chief Charles Potthast told Fox News that the charges, one of first-degree sexual abuse, a felony, and another of endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor, stem from Hussain “engaging in a passionate kiss” with a 12-year-old girl, and accusations of the athlete touching her over her clothing in an “intimate area.”
 
I'm not sure why this should matter unless Schumer new ahead of time that this guy would commit a crime or had at some point committed a crime.

The point is the American Embassy was correct in denying this man a visa, why did this Schumer and Gillibrand decide they knew better than the American Embassy in New Delhi, now a 12 year-old has been sexually molested by this knuckledragger.

From the article.

"The U.S. embassy in New Delhi last month rejected Tanveer Hussain’s application for a visa so he could compete in the World Snowshoe Championship in upstate. Local officials then intervened on Hussain’s behalf, appealing for help to the offices of Schumer and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y. Their offices reached out to the New Delhi embassy, which allowed Hussain to reapply for a visa and granted that visa."

So the American Embassy last month felt this man was inappropriate to be given a visa, but this Schumer and Gillibrand decided that he was okay, so they intervened and against the American Embassy initial advice he was given a visa and once in America he committed the below.

"Saranac Lake Police Chief Charles Potthast told Fox News that the charges, one of first-degree sexual abuse, a felony, and another of endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor, stem from Hussain “engaging in a passionate kiss” with a 12-year-old girl, and accusations of the athlete touching her over her clothing in an “intimate area.”

Unless they SPECIFICALLY denied visa on grounds of history of sexual misconduct this is a non-story.

How the hell could Schumer have known that this guy is going to inappropriately touch someone?
 
I'm not sure why this should matter unless Schumer new ahead of time that this guy would commit a crime or had at some point committed a crime.

As I said it would be for political purposes.

Anytime such a situation occurs the questions are asked: "did you know this persons background before you worked to get him a Visa?", "what was the vetting process"? etc.

Furthermore, it could be used as evidence that in a broader sense, America has to be more careful about who it allows into it's country from overseas.

"Anytime such a situation occurs the questions are asked: "did you know this persons background before you worked to get him a Visa?", "what was the vetting process"? etc."

The situation is that the American Embassy in New Delhi thought there was something wrong, which is why they denied him the visa. They clarified why they denied him the visa, but from the below article the reason wasn't made public.

I'm sure that this Schumer and Gillibrand must have been told the reason why Tanveer Hussain was denied the visa, yet despite that they intervened and enabled him to be given a visa.

MEA clarifies why US visa was denied to Kashmiri athlete and manager

New Delhi | Updated: February 2, 2017 6:48 pm

"The Ministry of External Affairs on Thursday clarified the reason behind rejection of US visa to a Kashmiri athlete and his manager recently.

According to MEA, US embassy said that US President Donald Trump’s order had nothing to do with the denial of visa to the duo. MEA said that US embassy had clarified the reason behind the rejection was standard adjudication on merits of their case.


- Snip -

The US embassy in New Delhi had informed the duo that their visa will not be granted leaving them disappointed."

MEA clarifies why US visa was denied to Kashmiri athlete and manager
 
I'm not sure why this should matter unless Schumer new ahead of time that this guy would commit a crime or had at some point committed a crime.

The point is the American Embassy was correct in denying this man a visa, why did this Schumer and Gillibrand decide they knew better than the American Embassy in New Delhi, now a 12 year-old has been sexually molested by this knuckledragger.

From the article.

"The U.S. embassy in New Delhi last month rejected Tanveer Hussain’s application for a visa so he could compete in the World Snowshoe Championship in upstate. Local officials then intervened on Hussain’s behalf, appealing for help to the offices of Schumer and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y. Their offices reached out to the New Delhi embassy, which allowed Hussain to reapply for a visa and granted that visa."

So the American Embassy last month felt this man was inappropriate to be given a visa, but this Schumer and Gillibrand decided that he was okay, so they intervened and against the American Embassy initial advice he was given a visa and once in America he committed the below.

"Saranac Lake Police Chief Charles Potthast told Fox News that the charges, one of first-degree sexual abuse, a felony, and another of endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor, stem from Hussain “engaging in a passionate kiss” with a 12-year-old girl, and accusations of the athlete touching her over her clothing in an “intimate area.”

Unless they SPECIFICALLY denied visa on grounds of history of sexual misconduct this is a non-story.

How the hell could Schumer have known that this guy is going to inappropriately touch someone?

Whenever it's involving the Left everything is always a non-story.

If these were two Republican Senators the Left would be calling for their heads to roll.
 
I'm not sure why this should matter unless Schumer new ahead of time that this guy would commit a crime or had at some point committed a crime.

The point is the American Embassy was correct in denying this man a visa, why did this Schumer and Gillibrand decide they knew better than the American Embassy in New Delhi, now a 12 year-old has been sexually molested by this knuckledragger.

From the article.

"The U.S. embassy in New Delhi last month rejected Tanveer Hussain’s application for a visa so he could compete in the World Snowshoe Championship in upstate. Local officials then intervened on Hussain’s behalf, appealing for help to the offices of Schumer and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y. Their offices reached out to the New Delhi embassy, which allowed Hussain to reapply for a visa and granted that visa."

So the American Embassy last month felt this man was inappropriate to be given a visa, but this Schumer and Gillibrand decided that he was okay, so they intervened and against the American Embassy initial advice he was given a visa and once in America he committed the below.

"Saranac Lake Police Chief Charles Potthast told Fox News that the charges, one of first-degree sexual abuse, a felony, and another of endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor, stem from Hussain “engaging in a passionate kiss” with a 12-year-old girl, and accusations of the athlete touching her over her clothing in an “intimate area.”

Unless they SPECIFICALLY denied visa on grounds of history of sexual misconduct this is a non-story.

How the hell could Schumer have known that this guy is going to inappropriately touch someone?

Whenever it's involving the Left everything is always a non-story.

If these were two Republican Senators the Left would be calling for their heads to roll.

...but sometimes IT ACTUALLY IS a non-story and you haven't really explained why this is not one of those times.
 
I'm not sure why this should matter unless Schumer new ahead of time that this guy would commit a crime or had at some point committed a crime.

The point is the American Embassy was correct in denying this man a visa, why did this Schumer and Gillibrand decide they knew better than the American Embassy in New Delhi, now a 12 year-old has been sexually molested by this knuckledragger.

From the article.

"The U.S. embassy in New Delhi last month rejected Tanveer Hussain’s application for a visa so he could compete in the World Snowshoe Championship in upstate. Local officials then intervened on Hussain’s behalf, appealing for help to the offices of Schumer and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y. Their offices reached out to the New Delhi embassy, which allowed Hussain to reapply for a visa and granted that visa."

So the American Embassy last month felt this man was inappropriate to be given a visa, but this Schumer and Gillibrand decided that he was okay, so they intervened and against the American Embassy initial advice he was given a visa and once in America he committed the below.

"Saranac Lake Police Chief Charles Potthast told Fox News that the charges, one of first-degree sexual abuse, a felony, and another of endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor, stem from Hussain “engaging in a passionate kiss” with a 12-year-old girl, and accusations of the athlete touching her over her clothing in an “intimate area.”

Unless they SPECIFICALLY denied visa on grounds of history of sexual misconduct this is a non-story.

How the hell could Schumer have known that this guy is going to inappropriately touch someone?

Again, the question is judgement. We don't know the vetting process, why he was denied the first time or these details. Yes, it is political, just as a great many news events over te last few months. It still requires answers.

Since the election it has been 24/7 go after Trump, deny him his cabinet, call him "illegitimate", nitpick and try and slow down the process so he can't go forward with his campaign. In this environment, where all judgement and decisions are heavily criticised if there is any negative outcome of a decision, there will be people asking questions.

I have no idea about the accused, but, is it possible, just possible I suggest, that someone doing something so disgusting and creepy didn't just wake up today and become such a deviant. If there were no precursors or indications, so be it, but questions need to be answered, no? Rule of Law, accountability to the people, all that sort of stuff...

TO your above comment, this is hardly a non-story unless you think such matters don't matter to average Americans. It was on the front page of the largest and most watched news network in America, Fox News anf there was a crime committed.

A non-story might be how someone eats their pizza, what the presidents daughter was wearing during an interview, or linking the actions of some Yahoo somewhere to the president. This was a direct decision by some very high ranking Democrats, circumventing an earlier decision by the U.S embassy.
 
I'm not sure why this should matter unless Schumer new ahead of time that this guy would commit a crime or had at some point committed a crime.

The point is the American Embassy was correct in denying this man a visa, why did this Schumer and Gillibrand decide they knew better than the American Embassy in New Delhi, now a 12 year-old has been sexually molested by this knuckledragger.

From the article.

"The U.S. embassy in New Delhi last month rejected Tanveer Hussain’s application for a visa so he could compete in the World Snowshoe Championship in upstate. Local officials then intervened on Hussain’s behalf, appealing for help to the offices of Schumer and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y. Their offices reached out to the New Delhi embassy, which allowed Hussain to reapply for a visa and granted that visa."

So the American Embassy last month felt this man was inappropriate to be given a visa, but this Schumer and Gillibrand decided that he was okay, so they intervened and against the American Embassy initial advice he was given a visa and once in America he committed the below.

"Saranac Lake Police Chief Charles Potthast told Fox News that the charges, one of first-degree sexual abuse, a felony, and another of endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor, stem from Hussain “engaging in a passionate kiss” with a 12-year-old girl, and accusations of the athlete touching her over her clothing in an “intimate area.”

Unless they SPECIFICALLY denied visa on grounds of history of sexual misconduct this is a non-story.

How the hell could Schumer have known that this guy is going to inappropriately touch someone?

Again, the question is judgement. We don't know the vetting process, why he was denied the first time or these details. Yes, it is political, just as a great many news events over te last few months. It still requires answers.

Since the election it has been 24/7 go after Trump, deny him his cabinet, call him "illegitimate", nitpick and try and slow down the process so he can't go forward with his campaign. In this environment, where all judgement and decisions are heavily criticised if there is any negative outcome of a decision, there will be people asking questions.

I have no idea about the accused, but, is it possible, just possible I suggest, that someone doing something so disgusting and creepy didn't just wake up today and become such a deviant. If there were no precursors or indications, so be it, but questions need to be answered, no? Rule of Law, accountability to the people, all that sort of stuff...

What judgement is going to predict to you that a guy will touch someone, except history of sexual misconduct?
 
I'm not sure why this should matter unless Schumer new ahead of time that this guy would commit a crime or had at some point committed a crime.
So when ever a republican is in the same boat you feel the same way? I doubt it, then it is hang him high right?

I'd feel the same way and have said so.
 
I'm not sure why this should matter unless Schumer new ahead of time that this guy would commit a crime or had at some point committed a crime.

The point is the American Embassy was correct in denying this man a visa, why did this Schumer and Gillibrand decide they knew better than the American Embassy in New Delhi, now a 12 year-old has been sexually molested by this knuckledragger.

From the article.

"The U.S. embassy in New Delhi last month rejected Tanveer Hussain’s application for a visa so he could compete in the World Snowshoe Championship in upstate. Local officials then intervened on Hussain’s behalf, appealing for help to the offices of Schumer and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y. Their offices reached out to the New Delhi embassy, which allowed Hussain to reapply for a visa and granted that visa."

So the American Embassy last month felt this man was inappropriate to be given a visa, but this Schumer and Gillibrand decided that he was okay, so they intervened and against the American Embassy initial advice he was given a visa and once in America he committed the below.

"Saranac Lake Police Chief Charles Potthast told Fox News that the charges, one of first-degree sexual abuse, a felony, and another of endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor, stem from Hussain “engaging in a passionate kiss” with a 12-year-old girl, and accusations of the athlete touching her over her clothing in an “intimate area.”

Unless they SPECIFICALLY denied visa on grounds of history of sexual misconduct this is a non-story.

How the hell could Schumer have known that this guy is going to inappropriately touch someone?

Again, the question is judgement. We don't know the vetting process, why he was denied the first time or these details. Yes, it is political, just as a great many news events over te last few months. It still requires answers.

Since the election it has been 24/7 go after Trump, deny him his cabinet, call him "illegitimate", nitpick and try and slow down the process so he can't go forward with his campaign. In this environment, where all judgement and decisions are heavily criticised if there is any negative outcome of a decision, there will be people asking questions.

I have no idea about the accused, but, is it possible, just possible I suggest, that someone doing something so disgusting and creepy didn't just wake up today and become such a deviant. If there were no precursors or indications, so be it, but questions need to be answered, no? Rule of Law, accountability to the people, all that sort of stuff...

What judgement is going to predict to you that a guy will touch someone, except history of sexual misconduct?

This is where details are important, so we can all be sure Schumer and Gillibrand will be providing them soon to explain why they over ruled an earlier decision.

This was obviously an important event, and changing decisions made overseas at embassies there so this guy could get to his Horseshoe Championship on time should not be taken lightly.
 
I'm not sure why this should matter unless Schumer new ahead of time that this guy would commit a crime or had at some point committed a crime.

The point is the American Embassy was correct in denying this man a visa, why did this Schumer and Gillibrand decide they knew better than the American Embassy in New Delhi, now a 12 year-old has been sexually molested by this knuckledragger.

From the article.

"The U.S. embassy in New Delhi last month rejected Tanveer Hussain’s application for a visa so he could compete in the World Snowshoe Championship in upstate. Local officials then intervened on Hussain’s behalf, appealing for help to the offices of Schumer and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y. Their offices reached out to the New Delhi embassy, which allowed Hussain to reapply for a visa and granted that visa."

So the American Embassy last month felt this man was inappropriate to be given a visa, but this Schumer and Gillibrand decided that he was okay, so they intervened and against the American Embassy initial advice he was given a visa and once in America he committed the below.

"Saranac Lake Police Chief Charles Potthast told Fox News that the charges, one of first-degree sexual abuse, a felony, and another of endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor, stem from Hussain “engaging in a passionate kiss” with a 12-year-old girl, and accusations of the athlete touching her over her clothing in an “intimate area.”

Unless they SPECIFICALLY denied visa on grounds of history of sexual misconduct this is a non-story.

How the hell could Schumer have known that this guy is going to inappropriately touch someone?

Again, the question is judgement. We don't know the vetting process, why he was denied the first time or these details. Yes, it is political, just as a great many news events over te last few months. It still requires answers.

Since the election it has been 24/7 go after Trump, deny him his cabinet, call him "illegitimate", nitpick and try and slow down the process so he can't go forward with his campaign. In this environment, where all judgement and decisions are heavily criticised if there is any negative outcome of a decision, there will be people asking questions.

I have no idea about the accused, but, is it possible, just possible I suggest, that someone doing something so disgusting and creepy didn't just wake up today and become such a deviant. If there were no precursors or indications, so be it, but questions need to be answered, no? Rule of Law, accountability to the people, all that sort of stuff...

What judgement is going to predict to you that a guy will touch someone, except history of sexual misconduct?

This is where details are important, so we can all be sure Schumer and Gillibrand will be providing them soon to explain why they over ruled an earlier decision.

This was obviously an important event, and changing decisions made overseas at embassies there so this guy could get to his Horseshoe Championship on time should not be taken lightly.

I think this kind of thing happens often. My father used to work in the State Department, and would talk about how senators would interfere in decisions - basically, they were answering to their constituants. I don't see it as a huge deal UNLESS the person was refused a visa due to a security or criminal reason.
 
I'm not sure why this should matter unless Schumer new ahead of time that this guy would commit a crime or had at some point committed a crime.

The point is the American Embassy was correct in denying this man a visa, why did this Schumer and Gillibrand decide they knew better than the American Embassy in New Delhi, now a 12 year-old has been sexually molested by this knuckledragger.

From the article.

"The U.S. embassy in New Delhi last month rejected Tanveer Hussain’s application for a visa so he could compete in the World Snowshoe Championship in upstate. Local officials then intervened on Hussain’s behalf, appealing for help to the offices of Schumer and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y. Their offices reached out to the New Delhi embassy, which allowed Hussain to reapply for a visa and granted that visa."

So the American Embassy last month felt this man was inappropriate to be given a visa, but this Schumer and Gillibrand decided that he was okay, so they intervened and against the American Embassy initial advice he was given a visa and once in America he committed the below.

"Saranac Lake Police Chief Charles Potthast told Fox News that the charges, one of first-degree sexual abuse, a felony, and another of endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor, stem from Hussain “engaging in a passionate kiss” with a 12-year-old girl, and accusations of the athlete touching her over her clothing in an “intimate area.”

Why was he denied a visa?
 
A very disturbing situation. If this man is found guilty, Schumer should be removed or resign.
 
The point is the American Embassy was correct in denying this man a visa, why did this Schumer and Gillibrand decide they knew better than the American Embassy in New Delhi, now a 12 year-old has been sexually molested by this knuckledragger.

From the article.

"The U.S. embassy in New Delhi last month rejected Tanveer Hussain’s application for a visa so he could compete in the World Snowshoe Championship in upstate. Local officials then intervened on Hussain’s behalf, appealing for help to the offices of Schumer and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y. Their offices reached out to the New Delhi embassy, which allowed Hussain to reapply for a visa and granted that visa."

So the American Embassy last month felt this man was inappropriate to be given a visa, but this Schumer and Gillibrand decided that he was okay, so they intervened and against the American Embassy initial advice he was given a visa and once in America he committed the below.

"Saranac Lake Police Chief Charles Potthast told Fox News that the charges, one of first-degree sexual abuse, a felony, and another of endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor, stem from Hussain “engaging in a passionate kiss” with a 12-year-old girl, and accusations of the athlete touching her over her clothing in an “intimate area.”

Unless they SPECIFICALLY denied visa on grounds of history of sexual misconduct this is a non-story.

How the hell could Schumer have known that this guy is going to inappropriately touch someone?

Again, the question is judgement. We don't know the vetting process, why he was denied the first time or these details. Yes, it is political, just as a great many news events over te last few months. It still requires answers.

Since the election it has been 24/7 go after Trump, deny him his cabinet, call him "illegitimate", nitpick and try and slow down the process so he can't go forward with his campaign. In this environment, where all judgement and decisions are heavily criticised if there is any negative outcome of a decision, there will be people asking questions.

I have no idea about the accused, but, is it possible, just possible I suggest, that someone doing something so disgusting and creepy didn't just wake up today and become such a deviant. If there were no precursors or indications, so be it, but questions need to be answered, no? Rule of Law, accountability to the people, all that sort of stuff...

What judgement is going to predict to you that a guy will touch someone, except history of sexual misconduct?

This is where details are important, so we can all be sure Schumer and Gillibrand will be providing them soon to explain why they over ruled an earlier decision.

This was obviously an important event, and changing decisions made overseas at embassies there so this guy could get to his Horseshoe Championship on time should not be taken lightly.

I think this kind of thing happens often. My father used to work in the State Department, and would talk about how senators would interfere in decisions - basically, they were answering to their constituants. I don't see it as a huge deal UNLESS the person was refused a visa due to a security or criminal reason.

WHAAT?! If this man is found guilty of these charges, Schumer should be tarred & feathered. The fluck's wrong with you? :cuckoo:
 
Unless they SPECIFICALLY denied visa on grounds of history of sexual misconduct this is a non-story.

How the hell could Schumer have known that this guy is going to inappropriately touch someone?

Again, the question is judgement. We don't know the vetting process, why he was denied the first time or these details. Yes, it is political, just as a great many news events over te last few months. It still requires answers.

Since the election it has been 24/7 go after Trump, deny him his cabinet, call him "illegitimate", nitpick and try and slow down the process so he can't go forward with his campaign. In this environment, where all judgement and decisions are heavily criticised if there is any negative outcome of a decision, there will be people asking questions.

I have no idea about the accused, but, is it possible, just possible I suggest, that someone doing something so disgusting and creepy didn't just wake up today and become such a deviant. If there were no precursors or indications, so be it, but questions need to be answered, no? Rule of Law, accountability to the people, all that sort of stuff...

What judgement is going to predict to you that a guy will touch someone, except history of sexual misconduct?

This is where details are important, so we can all be sure Schumer and Gillibrand will be providing them soon to explain why they over ruled an earlier decision.

This was obviously an important event, and changing decisions made overseas at embassies there so this guy could get to his Horseshoe Championship on time should not be taken lightly.

I think this kind of thing happens often. My father used to work in the State Department, and would talk about how senators would interfere in decisions - basically, they were answering to their constituants. I don't see it as a huge deal UNLESS the person was refused a visa due to a security or criminal reason.

WHAAT?! If this man is found guilty of these charges, Schumer should be tarred & feathered. The fluck's wrong with you? :cuckoo:

What the fuck is wrong with you?

If Schumer had no way of knowing - why should he be tarred and feathered? Because he's a Democrat?

Questions that need answered before a rush to judgement:
Why was the visa initially denied?
Did this guy have a criminal record or history of some kind to cause concern?
If not, then exactly how would Schumer know?
Did Schumer do anything illegal?

Sheesh.
 
A very disturbing situation. If this man is found guilty, Schumer should be removed or resign.

Why? If that is grounds for resignation, then I am sure there is going to be a whole long list of people you will need to insist resign.
 

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