Schiff: Biden Inquiry Is ‘an Evidence-Free Impeachment Proceeding’

[Rawley]

The policy review team made the loan guarantees contingent on continued cooperation with reforms to Shokin’s office.

Guess who was obstructing reforms?

Shokin as he was firing the prosecutors appointed to the anti-corruption bureau.

We have numerous examples of State Dept officials who detailed the unanimous agreement that Shokin was not someone they could work with.

You have no one who objected to his firing.

Yup. They said nothing about firing Shokin. They could have, but didn't. Repeat, they said give them billion, nothing about firing Shokin. Joe went rogue. Five days after His bosses at Burisma told Hunter to call DC and get Shokin fired. Helluva coincidence huh?

You cannot produce a single document, prior to Joe's extortion scheme in December of 2015, documenting that it was US policy to get Shokin fired. In fact, all of the documents support the US wanting to work with Shokin

 

[elektra]

LMAO the 'no evidence' SPIN memo was sent to every Dem and MSM hack.

Exactly right

 

[Rawley]

We have numerous examples of State Dept officials who detailed the unanimous agreement that Shokin was not someone they could work with.

Prior to Joey's extortion in 2015? I haven't seen any. Kerry and Nuland wrote him and said they were looking forward t working with him.

 

[Marener]

Yup. They said nothing about firing Shokin. They could have, but didn't. Repeat, they said give them billion, nothing about firing Shokin. Joe went rogue. Five days after His bosses at Burisma told Hunter to call DC and get Shokin fired. Helluva coincidence huh?

You cannot produce a single document, prior to Joe's extortion scheme in December of 2015, documenting that it was US policy to get Shokin fired. In fact, all of the documents support the US wanting to work with Shokin

Here’s the document. Prepared by the State Dept for Biden stating US policy is to seek removal of Shokin.

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2023-08/VPBidenTPUkraineMeetingShokin.pdf

 

[DBA]

It’s definitely not fishy at all when you consider how badly people thought about Shokin. Again, you aren’t going to find anyone involved in Ukrainian policy in 2016 who thought Shokin was a force for good.

I don’t regard the NY Post because of their lack of standards, but somehow their claims come in stark contrast to the words the EU envoy had after Shokin was fired, specifically for trying to gut the anti-corruption bureau that we were trying to help them establish.

This just so happens to be the exact same story we got from US state dept diplomats. Shokin tried to gut the anti-corruption bureau after the anti-corruption bureau started to look into Shokin’s corrupt buddies he had installed in his office.

Based on everything we know, it defies logic and common sense to think that Shokin was fired because Biden was bribed to do so.

The problem is the right wing media and republicans don’t want you to know everything we know.

Wait, so why exactly was Hunter hired at Burisma? It obviously wasn’t just coincidental that his dad was VP and the CEO of Burisma was under investigation. I think we can both agree WHY he was hired. Now, if Shokin was not doing his job to oust the CEO, as you stated, then the hiring of Hunter turned out to be a total flop for them, in fact, they got the opposite results they wanted. Despite this, they didn’t fire Hunter from his high paying position after Shokin was fired by Joe. They kept him on the board from quite some time after that. Weird seeing as their plan to gain influence had totally backfired…or had it? Yeah, again, you aren’t thinking this through and using common sense.

It isn’t us right-wingers that are being fooled, it is the left-wing MSM that is continuing their subservience to the Democratic Party and their willingness to twist, fabricate and/or omit any information that may harm them, especially with Trump being the right-wing alternative.

 

[Marener]

Wait, so why exactly was Hunter hired at Burisma? It obviously wasn’t just coincidental that his dad was VP and the CEO of Burisma was under investigation. I think we can both agree WHY he was hired. Now, if Shokin was not doing his job to oust the CEO, as you stated, then the hiring of Hunter turned out to be a total flop for them, in fact, they got the opposite results they wanted. Despite this, they didn’t fire Hunter from his high paying position after Shokin was fired by Joe. They kept him on the board from quite some time after that. Weird seeing as their plan to gain influence had totally backfired…or had it? Yeah, again, you aren’t thinking this through and using common sense.

It isn’t us right-wingers that are being fooled, it is the left-wing MSM that is continuing their subservience to the Democratic Party and their willingness to twist, fabricate and/or omit any information that may harm them, especially with Trump being the right-wing alternative.

Hiring Hunter had nothing to do with trying to get Shokin fired or trying to keep him from getting fired. For crying out loud, Hunter was hired almost a year before Shokin was even appointed, so your allegation doesn’t even make any sense.

Yet again, I’d just like to point out facts which you want to ignore. Shokin was not well regarded in or out of Ukraine. He was seen by everyone as impeding progress in reforming the office, and obstructing anyone who was trying to root out corruption among his cronies.

You are trying to concoct a story about why Shokin was fired based on the tiniest scraps of information while ignoring the mountain of information as to why he was really fired.

 

[DBA]

Hiring Hunter had nothing to do with trying to get Shokin fired or trying to keep him from getting fired. For crying out loud, Hunter was hired almost a year before Shokin was even appointed, so your allegation doesn’t even make any sense.

Yet again, I’d just like to point out facts which you want to ignore. Shokin was not well regarded in or out of Ukraine. He was seen by everyone as impeding progress in reforming the office, and obstructing anyone who was trying to root out corruption among his cronies.

You are trying to concoct a story about why Shokin was fired based on the tiniest scraps of information while ignoring the mountain of information as to why he was really fired.

Why was Hunter hired and what are the odds that he would be hired by a random company in Ukraine that would be such a focal point for his dad as VP? Use some common sense here. It wasn’t random.

 

[Marener]

Why was Hunter hired and what are the odds that he would be hired by a random company in Ukraine that would be such a focal point for his dad as VP? Use some common sense here. It wasn’t random.

Of course it wasn’t random. Hunter Biden had the right name. That’s how it works in business. Names matter.

AP Interview: Ex-Polish president defends Biden and Burisma

WARSAW, Poland (AP) — Aleksander Kwasniewski, a former Polish president who is on the board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, said Thursday that Hunter Biden was indeed chosen to join its advisory board because of his name.

apnews.com

That doesn’t mean it was a bribe. It sure as hell doesn’t mean he was there to get Shokin fired since Shokin wasn’t even a prosecutor at the time.

Have you read any testimony from the State Dept officials dealing with Ukraine at the time? Amb Pyatt. Victoria Nuland? George Kent?

Or does your media censor them?

 

[DBA]

Of course it wasn’t random. Hunter Biden had the right name. That’s how it works in business. Names matter.

So what did Burisma get in return for their multi-million $$ investment in Hunter? Can you name something? Perhaps it was something else that Joe could provide assistance. We are all supposed to believe that Hunter was paid and exorbitant salary and made many millions on top of that salary for influencing absolutely nothing. Common sense tells you that he was paid his salary at Burisma and was given many millions from other countrise for an actual reason, not just becuase his last name was Biden. They expected something in return, otherwise, there is no point.

Have you read any testimony from the State Dept officials dealing with Ukraine at the time? Amb Pyatt. Victoria Nuland? George Kent?

Or does your media censor them?

Maybe it is your news that censors you? Again, you believe the MSM because you have been conditioned to believe that they are unbiased, which is the utterly laughable.

In a letter dated June 9, 2015, then-Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland wrote "We have been impressed with the ambitious reform and anti-corruption agenda of your government" in a letter that was delivered to the prosecutor two days.

Nuland wrote that "Secretary Kerry asked me to reply on his behalf" to let Shokin know "he enjoyed the full support of the United States as he set out to fight endemic corruption in the former Soviet republic," Just The News wrote.

"The ongoing reform of your office, law enforcement, and the judiciary will enable you to investigate and prosecute corruption and other crimes in an effective, fair, and transparent manner," Nuland added. "The United States fully supports your government's efforts to fight corruption and other crimes in an effective, fair and transparent manner."

This letter was sent just six months before Biden began a pressure campaign to remove Shokin in December 2015, and appears to conflict with testimony given to Congress, Republican congressional investigators and Trump's former impeachment defense lawyers say.

State Department memos contradict Democrats’ Ukraine impeachment narrative

 

[Marener]

So what did Burisma get in return for their multi-million $$ investment in Hunter? Can you name something? Perhaps it was something else that Joe could provide assistance. We are all supposed to believe that Hunter was paid and exorbitant salary and made many millions on top of that salary for influencing absolutely nothing. Common sense tells you that he was paid his salary at Burisma and was given many millions from other countrise for an actual reason, not just becuase his last name was Biden. They expected something in return, otherwise, there is no point.

I'm sorry, but do you think that a few million dollars is an "exorbitant" expense to Burisma? I don't think you understand how little a few million matters to wealthy oligarchs.

They got a name. That's what I said.

Maybe it is your news that censors you? Again, you believe the MSM because you have been conditioned to believe that they are unbiased, which is the utterly laughable.

In a letter dated June 9, 2015, then-Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland wrote "We have been impressed with the ambitious reform and anti-corruption agenda of your government" in a letter that was delivered to the prosecutor two days.

Nuland wrote that "Secretary Kerry asked me to reply on his behalf" to let Shokin know "he enjoyed the full support of the United States as he set out to fight endemic corruption in the former Soviet republic," Just The News wrote.

"The ongoing reform of your office, law enforcement, and the judiciary will enable you to investigate and prosecute corruption and other crimes in an effective, fair, and transparent manner," Nuland added. "The United States fully supports your government's efforts to fight corruption and other crimes in an effective, fair and transparent manner."

This letter was sent just six months before Biden began a pressure campaign to remove Shokin in December 2015, and appears to conflict with testimony given to Congress, Republican congressional investigators and Trump's former impeachment defense lawyers say.

State Department memos contradict Democrats’ Ukraine impeachment narrative

I've seen this many times, so no it isn't censored.

For starters, you'll notice how actually doesn't praise Shokin. It praises his "government". It actually says that over and over again that it's "your government" that is making the effort. That's because the government was passing laws to reform the historically corrupt prosecutor office and needed Shokin to follow through.

Second, notice how this letter is dated in June 2015. That is well before the actual decision to oust Shokin in November and December. This might come as a shock to you, but even if they did support Shokin in June (when he was on the job for a few months), things can change in the course of 6 months. The letter says "as you set out to fight endemic corruption", which implies that he hasn't done anything yet, as he is just "setting out".

If you read Victoria Nuland's testimony, you'd learn that things did indeed go bad in the latter half of the year and they lost confidence in Shokin by the fall/winter.

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/imo/media/doc/2020-09-03-Nuland%20Interview%20with%20Exhibits.pdf#116

This is what I mean that you are clinging to bits and scraps in an effort to craft a narrative. You make this letter out to be a big deal when you can twist it to fit your narrative that you already have, but it doesn't back you up at all. You take one letter and run with it, ignoring everything else that contradicts it.

You think you would be able to find someone in the government that would be able to say that Shokin was doing a good job, but you don't have that. It's a huge problem for you because you are ignoring the far more likely story because it's inconvenient.

 

[Rawley]

Here’s the document. Prepared by the State Dept for Biden stating US policy is to seek removal of Shokin.

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2023-08/VPBidenTPUkraineMeetingShokin.pdf

Kudos. LOL that it took John Soloman to find this doc. Now all you have to do is explain why he went rogue and and extorted Ukraine using US Taxpayer dollars.

 

[Marener]

Kudos. LOL that it took John Soloman to find this doc. Now all you have to do is explain why he went rogue and and extorted Ukraine using US Taxpayer dollars.

If only Soloman would stop lying about what it says.

What do you mean “go rogue”?

 

[JusticeHammer]

Well, an inquiry will, hopefully, bring out the evidence for us all to see.

I'm sure they'd make it public. So let's see what it is. Not just reports and rumors, but real evidence.

Like shitty schif did..oh wait, he didn't.

 

[Rawley]

If only Soloman would stop lying about what it says.

What do you mean “go rogue”?

Again, instructions from the State Department did not tie Shokin's removal to the billion dollars in loan guarantees. Joe did that all by himself - went "rogue"

 

[Nostra]

Adumb Shifferbrains is 100% evidence and fact-free.

 

[Marener]

Again, instructions from the State Department did not tie Shokin's removal to the billion dollars in loan guarantees. Joe did that all by himself - went "rogue"

Do you think that whoever wrote the “instructions” outranks the vice president?

They surely don’t. So your accusation is meritless.

The decision to tie funding was made among highest level state department officials with Biden in pursuit of the stated policy goal.

The very fact that firing Shokin was US policy blows a massive hole in the allegations against Biden.

 

[Rawley]

Do you think that whoever wrote the “instructions” outranks the vice president?

They surely don’t. So your accusation is meritless.

The decision to tie funding was made among highest level state department officials with Biden in pursuit of the stated policy goal.

Clearly, the srtate department didn't tie the $1,000,000 to Shokin's firing.

The very fact that firing Shokin was US policy blows a massive hole in the allegations against Biden.

AIn't going to look good when they show Burisma demanding Biden do something about Shokin and five days later Joey extorts them using a billion dollars in US aid.

 

[Marener]

AIn't going to look good when they show Burisma demanding Biden do something about Shokin

How are they going to show that?

So it’s just a coincidence that the Biden got a bribe to fire Shokin at the same time as the State Dept policy stipulated that he should be fired?

Seems like kind of an unlikely coincidence.

 

[Rawley]

How are they going to show that?

Already have - Devon Archer's testimony.

So it’s just a coincidence that the Biden got a bribe to fire Shokin at the same time as the State Dept policy stipulated that he should be fired?

Seems like kind of an unlikely coincidence.

A lot more likely than Biden extorting Ukraine using a billion dollars in US aid, literally five days after Burisma demanded that he son call DC to do something about Shokin.

 

[WEATHER53]

See the party being inquired upon has no standing to declare he considers the pursuit to have No indications of guilt

So. Like Always, liberals created such a “right” and repeat the falsity over and over