Scary Health care threads

[Zona]

The closer we get to this health bill passing, the crazier the threads will be about it. Its called scare tactics.

There will be threads about higher taxes.

There will be threads about Premiums rising.

There will be threads about death penalties.

There will be threads about ______________.

Please add to this thread as the crazy threads appear. Its fear. Its the only thing they have left.

And yet, support for the bill has slowly but steadily increased. And for all the talk about the unpopularity of the Democrats in Congress, and the president, the Republicans remain in last place in that regard.

Maybe in Congress after a few rides in Air Force One and a few bribes behind closed doors....none of which can be denied.....and the Dems are less popular.

Really, some dem congressmen held out for special treatment? Really? No shit. Republican congressmen never,EVER, EVER do this. EVER. Are you new to politics?

Oh and as far as dems being less popular......link please.

 

[Zona]

Heard an interesting stat on O'Reilly last night.

This is from the New England Jornal of Medicine
Half of the Doctors will leave healthcare.

Wonder who will take care of all those millions, plus you and me, if there are fewer doctors.

I iwill add this the nut list...

now half the doctors will healthcare...HALF OF THEM! aHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

LOL

 

[SwingVoter]

There will be threads about death penalties.

does being delusional help you cope with the fact that your boy Obama is becoming less popular by the day?

 

[saveliberty]

The closer we get to this health bill passing, the crazier the threads will be about it. Its called scare tactics.

There will be threads about higher taxes.

There will be threads about Premiums rising.

There will be threads about death penalties.

There will be threads about ______________.

Please add to this thread as the crazy threads appear. Its fear. Its the only thing they have left.

Somebody is paying for this, that is called a tax. No scare tactic there. In fact, unless changed, teachers and other union folks will get to pay a nice chuck.

Premiums have to go up. You are adding high risk folks and many of the young people will just pay the cheaper tax (fine).

No death penalties thread. There might be some death PANEL posts. Just another word for rationed care, which has to happen when you add more people into the system without a corresponding increase in doctors. As has been mentioned here, we might loose a few.

What you call fear, many of us call reality.

 

[Truthmatters]

The whole package is coming after with amendments by other laws.

In the future you will see rs carring signs saying "DONT MESS WITH MY HEALTH INSURANCE" just like they now do with signs saying "keep the governments hands off my medicare".

Fools voting againt their own interest are always funny but sad.

 

[Political Junky]

Actually it is the White House that is using scare tactics. Look at this poor 11 year old boy whose mother died because we didnt pass healthcare. Look at all the poor people going without health insurance.
Never mind that the current proposal (any of them) wouldn't do a damn thing to help any of those problems. They will get trotted out anyway.
For the record, virtually everything said in opposition to whatever bill or tactic is being considered is true. The bill will increase the deficit. It will raise premiums. It will mean fewer people with employer-provided health insurance. It will ultimately lead to a much greater role for government and it will lead to death panels as care is rationed in the face of rising costs. These things are certainties because we've seen them in states that have tried something similar.

Oh, I remember that 11 yo boy that Rush attacked on air. A few right wingnuts attacked him in his grief.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Threads about 3,000% reductions in premiums in all of our 57 states

 

[Zona]

Threads about 3,000% reductions in premiums in all of our 57 states

IN east korea, during a death panel.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Threads about 3,000% reductions in premiums in all of our 57 states

IN east korea, during a death panel.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWOQA8S3i4g]YouTube - Obama - Breathalyzer[/ame]

And you're going to hand this guy a health care proxy for your whole family.

Count me out

 

[Zoom-boing]

The closer we get to this health bill passing, the crazier the threads will be about it. Its called scare tactics.

There will be threads about higher taxes.

There will be threads about Premiums rising.

There will be threads about death penalties.

There will be threads about ______________.

Please add to this thread as the crazy threads appear. Its fear. Its the only thing they have left.

Yes, premiums will rise.

FACT CHECK: Obama plan only slows premiums rise - Yahoo! News


Costs will rise; they are grossly underestimated. Check out Medicare projected costs vs. actual costs.

Medicare (hospital insurance). In 1965, as Congress considered legislation to establish a
national Medicare program, the House Ways and Means Committee estimated that the hospital
insurance portion of the program, Part A, would cost about $9 billion annually by 1990.v Actual
Part A spending in 1990 was $67 billion.vi The actuary who provided the original cost estimates
acknowledged in 1994 that, even after conservatively discounting for the unexpectedly high
inflation rates of the early ‘70s and other factors, “the actual [Part A] experience was 165%
higher than the estimate.”vii

Medicare (entire program). In 1967, the House Ways and Means Committee predicted that the
new Medicare program, launched the previous year, would cost about $12 billion in 1990. viii
Actual Medicare spending in 1990 was $110 billion—off by nearly a factor of 10.ix

http://jec.senate.gov/republicans/p...orm_Cost_Estimates_Reliable__July_31_2009.pdf

Budgeting/accounting gimmicks hide true cost.

The issue with backloading spending isn't that it hides deficit spending; it's that it hides the full cost of the bill, thus making it politically viable. When early drafts of health care reform rang up at around $1.6 trillion, Washington underwent a massive freakout; it became clear that passing a bill that kind of price tag was almost certainly impossible. So Obama gave Congress a target of "around $900 billion" for the bill, and one of the ways the lower figure was achieved was by starting the taxes revenue mechanisms immediately but holding off on implementing the benefits. That allowed for the Senate bill's politically convenient $850 billion score while disguising the fact that true cost of a full ten years of the bill's programs is actually more like $1.8 trillion (and that's not counting the trillion-plus in additional costs imposed by an individual mandate).

And I said, "Look, there's no. Effing. Way. You can actually solve this damn Chinese finger puzzle."Meanwhile, Orszag fails to address the relevant criticisms made by deficit neutrality skeptics. First is that the bill's supporters double count the Medicare savings. According to a December report by Orszag's trusted arbiter, the CBO, the bill will either reduce the deficit or extend the solvency of Medicare, not both. (And for what it's worth, Medicare's chief actuary agrees.) Yet as recently as March 10—yesterday—Obama was claiming that his health care plan would "help ensure Medicare’s solvency for an additional decade." Great! But according to the CBO, that means the bill won't actually cut the deficit.

The other problem is that, in an effort to elicit a better score for the bill, the "doc fix"—an expensive, unfunded change in the way doctor's Medicare payments are made—was excluded from the bill. So, as scored, the bill assumes that there will be a massive cut in Medicare payments to doctors that almost certainly will not occur.

The liberal argument for this is that the doc fix would have to be passed no matter what, so it shouldn't count towards the health care bill's score. Maybe so, but that's not what House Democrats thought when they drew up their initial draft of the legislation. And Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid was more than willing to hold the fix over doctors' heads in order to ensure that they would support the Democrats' reform legislation.

And what does our good friend the CBO say? Well, if you enact the doc fix in conjunction with Obama's health care overhaul, it adds $89 billion to the deficit over the first ten years.

The White House Kindly Requests You Do Not Refer to Its Health Care Budget Gimmicks as "Gimmicks" - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine

But you know what Zona? Thank you for at least being honest enough to admit that this hc plan is the foot in the door the Dems need in order to get to single-payer or universal or socialized or whatever it is that they want. I've only seen one other poster on here admit that. Mostly the left just screams 'loony right-wings' when this is posted.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

The closer we get to this health bill passing, the crazier the threads will be about it. Its called scare tactics.

There will be threads about higher taxes.

There will be threads about Premiums rising.

There will be threads about death penalties.

There will be threads about ______________.

Please add to this thread as the crazy threads appear. Its fear. Its the only thing they have left.

Don't fuck with the Bear. You "deem" this health care takeover bill and you will regret it. The progressives running the Democratic Party actually think they lost out in 1994 BECAUSE they backed down on HillaryCare. They are trying a new tactic and that is to FORCE their agenda on America because "they know we'll love it". All I have to say is go ahead and try it. The Democratic Party will be out of power for 40 years.

 

[Perception]

But at the end of the day we still need a health care overhaul. Shouldn't we at least make an attempt to change it? This bill is all we've got, and it's better than nothing.

 

[Zoom-boing]

But at the end of the day we still need a health care overhaul.

Yes, we do.

Shouldn't we at least make an attempt to change it?

Yes, we should.

This bill is all we've got,

No, it isn't.

and it's better than nothing.

No one is saying to do nothing. That's a lie.

 

[Zoom-boing]

The closer we get to this health bill passing, the crazier the threads will be about it. Its called scare tactics.

There will be threads about higher taxes.

There will be threads about Premiums rising.

There will be threads about death penalties.

There will be threads about ______________.

Please add to this thread as the crazy threads appear. Its fear. Its the only thing they have left.

Don't fuck with the Bear. You "deem" this health care takeover bill and you will regret it. The progressives running the Democratic Party actually think they lost out in 1994 BECAUSE they backed down on HillaryCare. They are trying a new tactic and that is to FORCE their agenda on America because "they know we'll love it". All I have to say is go ahead and try it. The Democratic Party will be out of power for 40 years.

Deemed pass? With Pelosi running the show more like 'demon passed'.

 

[sparky]

scary?

i would think there are at least a few here that can lay claim to the real world effects of legislating the term 'mandatory' to the insurance cabal's benifit

consider workers comp.

now they've legislated it so it's mandatory even if you have no employees

further, the insurance nazi's are legally allowed to audit your business, your books, physically check your place of business, stockroom(s), equipment, etc.....

that said, does anyone wish the same sort of treatment to happen to them in their personal existence pertinent to HC?

anyone?

~S~

 

[saveliberty]

But at the end of the day we still need a health care overhaul. Shouldn't we at least make an attempt to change it? This bill is all we've got, and it's better than nothing.

One of the recent bills reviewed by the CBO said we would save more by doing nothing. Nothing is a real option here and could be the best one. I would be more definitive, but even the President of the US has not seen the final bill yet. Looks to me like the holdouts will get HUGE paybacks on future bills. Once again the American people are trumped by graft and corruption in DC.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

But at the end of the day we still need a health care overhaul. Shouldn't we at least make an attempt to change it? This bill is all we've got, and it's better than nothing.

No. Not at all. Start with real reform. Don't start with nationalization of an entire industry

 

[Zona]

Threads about 3,000% reductions in premiums in all of our 57 states

IN east korea, during a death panel.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWOQA8S3i4g]YouTube - Obama - Breathalyzer[/ame]

And you're going to hand this guy a health care proxy for your whole family.

Count me out

You moving?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

IN east korea, during a death panel.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWOQA8S3i4g]YouTube - Obama - Breathalyzer[/ame]

And you're going to hand this guy a health care proxy for your whole family.

Count me out

You moving?

No, we're making Congress abort ObamaCare

 

[Zona]

The closer we get to this health bill passing, the crazier the threads will be about it. Its called scare tactics.

There will be threads about higher taxes.

There will be threads about Premiums rising.

There will be threads about death penalties.

There will be threads about ______________.

Please add to this thread as the crazy threads appear. Its fear. Its the only thing they have left.

Don't fuck with the Bear. You "deem" this health care takeover bill and you will regret it. The progressives running the Democratic Party actually think they lost out in 1994 BECAUSE they backed down on HillaryCare. They are trying a new tactic and that is to FORCE their agenda on America because "they know we'll love it". All I have to say is go ahead and try it. The Democratic Party will be out of power for 40 years.

Then you should welcome the bill. thank you very much. (We are going to listen to THAT party for advise on who will win or lose due to this? lol).