Ray From Cleveland
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Again you drop down to the individual level when we are talking about national policy. Yes YOU may be able to enhance your bargaining position. But it will come at the expense of another employees bargaining position....there is no net gainYou keep confusing an individual job with the nations economyYes there is a national pie.....it is chock full of GDPsThere is a company pie, but the country is not a pie. Why do we give tax cuts to corporations?
If your city or state is trying to attract a company that could bring 800 jobs to your area, but they are considering other cities to open up or move, what is the first thing your city does to attract them to your city or state? That's right, tax abatements.
They work every time it's tried. Lower costs for the company and they just may bring those jobs to your area and everybody benefits.
It works the same way on a worldwide level. Some move the entire company out of the country, and others just move their corporate offices out of the country because taxes are lower if you operate in America but not an official American company.
Yes, that pie may be bigger or smaller next year but there is a definite size to our national economy
What we do know is that workers are getting a smaller and smaller slice of that GDP pie. So should we go over and take pie away from rich people and give it to poor people?
Of course not
But we should not continue national economic policies that encourage the wealthy to gain more pie. We need more policies that help working Americans to get and keep more pie
No, there is no national pie. If that were true, I could ask my boss for a raise tomorrow, and he would say he'd love to give me a raise, but he can't because the rich people have all the money. Or I could go to the bank for a loan, and they would tell me they would give me a loan if the rich didn't have all the money.
That's never happened and never will.
If you want more pie, buy more pie. Nothing is stopping you from buying stock in your company if they are large enough to be in the market. If they are not, you can buy stock in other companies and share their success that way. So we already have that system you speak of, it's just that nobody is going to knock at your front door and hand it to you.
Companies cater to the customer, and it's the American consumer that calls the shots. When we collectively start to buy products from companies that produce in America, provide good paying monkey jobs, that's when you'll see industry focus on sharing that pie you speak of. Until that time, companies will focus on providing us with the cheap products we demand.
You are negotiating within a continually diminishing slice of pie. As you negotiate, your boss will tell you....I'd like to pay you more ...but someone else will work for less....by the way...I need to cut your pension plan
Yes customers call the shots. Employers used to share more of that revenue with their employees
Believe it or not, you hit the nail on the head. An employees worth is what your company can pay another person to do the same quality of work. That's it. Supply and demand is what your worth is.
The way to increase your worth is to make yourself more valuable; do work that less people can do.
Anybody can stock shelves, inspect parts, make french fries, deliver pizzas. Less people can build houses, remodel houses, do plumbing or electrical work, repair and maintain computers, take care of patients in the hospital, troubleshoot HVAC systems.
Years ago I was repairing medical equipment so my company wanted me to go to electronics school. It became tedious after a while holding down a full-time job and going to school at nights. So I asked my teacher what kind of money I could make in electronics if I stayed one year and got my FCC license? He told me around 16K. Unhappy with his answer, I asked what I could make if I stuck around two years and got my associates degree? He said about 18K a year.
That was back in the early 80's, but even then, very crappy money. Electronics is hard, it takes some talent to understand. It's all math. So why the little pay? Because everybody and their mother was interested in electronics. Supply and demand.
We are looking at the nationwide workers slice of the pie which has diminished. We need to change national policy to help the workers instead of the one percent
So what do you propose we do, turn to Socialism so government oversees all businesses?
Nobody wants to overpay labor. You don't, I don't, consumers don't, businesses don't. Everybody is looking for cheaper which is part of our immigrant problem.