Sanders Tweets 'How Many Yachts Do Billionaires Need? How Many Cars?

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Believe it or not, you hit the nail on the head. An employees worth is what your company can pay another person to do the same quality of work. That's it. Supply and demand is what your worth is.

The way to increase your worth is to make yourself more valuable; do work that less people can do.

Anybody can stock shelves, inspect parts, make french fries, deliver pizzas. Less people can build houses, remodel houses, do plumbing or electrical work, repair and maintain computers, take care of patients in the hospital, troubleshoot HVAC systems.

Years ago I was repairing medical equipment so my company wanted me to go to electronics school. It became tedious after a while holding down a full-time job and going to school at nights. So I asked my teacher what kind of money I could make in electronics if I stayed one year and got my FCC license? He told me around 16K. Unhappy with his answer, I asked what I could make if I stuck around two years and got my associates degree? He said about 18K a year.

That was back in the early 80's, but even then, very crappy money. Electronics is hard, it takes some talent to understand. It's all math. So why the little pay? Because everybody and their mother was interested in electronics. Supply and demand.

Again you drop down to the individual level when we are talking about national policy. Yes YOU may be able to enhance your bargaining position. But it will come at the expense of another employees bargaining position....there is no net gain
We are looking at the nationwide workers slice of the pie which has diminished. We need to change national policy to help the workers instead of the one percent

So what do you propose we do, turn to Socialism so government oversees all businesses?

Nobody wants to overpay labor. You don't, I don't, consumers don't, businesses don't. Everybody is looking for cheaper which is part of our immigrant problem.

No need to invoke socialism is there?

Just because we do less for the rich does not mean we are now socialist

We don't do anything for the rich, dumbass. Do you imagine there is some government agency that decides who will be rich and how much money they will have?

You are truly a bonehead.

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We follow the golden rule
He who has the gold, makes the rules

The rich write the tax code. They decide on exemptions from taxes. They decide on subsidies. They pay less than they have in 40 years

liberal lie of course!!! Top 1% pay 40% of all income tax, but only 20% under Reagan.
40>20. Did you know that????????

 

[rightwinger]

Again you drop down to the individual level when we are talking about national policy. Yes YOU may be able to enhance your bargaining position. But it will come at the expense of another employees bargaining position....there is no net gain
We are looking at the nationwide workers slice of the pie which has diminished. We need to change national policy to help the workers instead of the one percent

So what do you propose we do, turn to Socialism so government oversees all businesses?

Nobody wants to overpay labor. You don't, I don't, consumers don't, businesses don't. Everybody is looking for cheaper which is part of our immigrant problem.

No need to invoke socialism is there?

Just because we do less for the rich does not mean we are now socialist

We don't do anything for the rich, dumbass. Do you imagine there is some government agency that decides who will be rich and how much money they will have?

You are truly a bonehead.

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We follow the golden rule
He who has the gold, makes the rules

The rich write the tax code. They decide on exemptions from taxes. They decide on subsidies. They pay less than they have in 40 years

liberal lie of course!!! Top 1% pay 40% of all income tax, but only 20% under Reagan.
40>20. Did you know that????????

Link

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So what do you propose we do, turn to Socialism so government oversees all businesses?

Nobody wants to overpay labor. You don't, I don't, consumers don't, businesses don't. Everybody is looking for cheaper which is part of our immigrant problem.

No need to invoke socialism is there?

Just because we do less for the rich does not mean we are now socialist

We don't do anything for the rich, dumbass. Do you imagine there is some government agency that decides who will be rich and how much money they will have?

You are truly a bonehead.

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We follow the golden rule
He who has the gold, makes the rules

The rich write the tax code. They decide on exemptions from taxes. They decide on subsidies. They pay less than they have in 40 years

liberal lie of course!!! Top 1% pay 40% of all income tax, but only 20% under Reagan.
40>20. Did you know that????????

Link

look it up you fool!! You've learned the lesson 62 times and still you don't know that the top1% pay 40% of all income taxes. Does the liberal need 63 times!!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So what do you propose we do, turn to Socialism so government oversees all businesses?

Nobody wants to overpay labor. You don't, I don't, consumers don't, businesses don't. Everybody is looking for cheaper which is part of our immigrant problem.

No need to invoke socialism is there?

Just because we do less for the rich does not mean we are now socialist

We don't do anything for the rich, dumbass. Do you imagine there is some government agency that decides who will be rich and how much money they will have?

You are truly a bonehead.

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We follow the golden rule
He who has the gold, makes the rules

The rich write the tax code. They decide on exemptions from taxes. They decide on subsidies. They pay less than they have in 40 years

liberal lie of course!!! Top 1% pay 40% of all income tax, but only 20% under Reagan.
40>20. Did you know that????????

Link

Top 20% of Earners Pay 84% of Income Tax

Top 1% pay nearly half of federal income taxes

 

[rightwinger]

No need to invoke socialism is there?

Just because we do less for the rich does not mean we are now socialist

We don't do anything for the rich, dumbass. Do you imagine there is some government agency that decides who will be rich and how much money they will have?

You are truly a bonehead.

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We follow the golden rule
He who has the gold, makes the rules

The rich write the tax code. They decide on exemptions from taxes. They decide on subsidies. They pay less than they have in 40 years

liberal lie of course!!! Top 1% pay 40% of all income tax, but only 20% under Reagan.
40>20. Did you know that????????

Link

Top 20% of Earners Pay 84% of Income Tax

Top 1% pay nearly half of federal income taxes

Why did you make me read your stupid links?
They say nothing about Reagan
I already agreed they pay most the taxes because they have most the income numerous times

 

[rightwinger]

Who should we expect to pay most of out taxes?

Should it be the 1% who control 34.6% of our wealth
or the 40% who control 2 tenths of a percent of our wealth?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Who should we expect to pay most of out taxes?

Should it be the 1% who control 34.6% of our wealth
or the 40% who control 2 tenths of a percent of our wealth?

You said the top 1%'s taxes have gone down when really they had gone up from 20% of the total to 40% of the total taxes collected.
If liberals had their way the top 1% would pay everything and everybody else would become free riding leeches.
The ultimate irony is that the top 1% have all the money because liberals shipped everyone's jobs offshore and then invited 30 million illegals to take the jobs that remain and bid down the wages for those jobs.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Who should we expect to pay most of out taxes?

Should it be the 1% who control 34.6% of our wealth
or the 40% who control 2 tenths of a percent of our wealth?

Only the rich can control the wealth as long as liberals drive everyone else's jobs off shore and invite 30 million illegals in to take the remaining jobs

 

[rightwinger]

Who should we expect to pay most of out taxes?

Should it be the 1% who control 34.6% of our wealth
or the 40% who control 2 tenths of a percent of our wealth?

You said the top 1%'s taxes have gone down when really they had gone up from 20% of the total to 40% of the total taxes collected.
If liberals had their way the top 1% would pay everything and everybody else would become free riding leeches.
The ultimate irony is that the top 1% have all the money because liberals shipped everyone's jobs offshore and then invited 30 million illegals to take the jobs that remain and bid down the wages for those jobs.

Doesn't that highlight how the middle class slice of the pie has diminished?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Who should we expect to pay most of out taxes?

Should it be the 1% who control 34.6% of our wealth
or the 40% who control 2 tenths of a percent of our wealth?

They don't control OUR wealth, they control their own wealth just like you do. Who should we expect to pay the most? How about everybody pay equally? Nah, that wouldn't work for Democrats because Democrats tell people they will give them things and send the bill to the wealthy. After all, who would vote against free stuff for them at other peoples expense?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We don't do anything for the rich, dumbass. Do you imagine there is some government agency that decides who will be rich and how much money they will have?

You are truly a bonehead.

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We follow the golden rule
He who has the gold, makes the rules

The rich write the tax code. They decide on exemptions from taxes. They decide on subsidies. They pay less than they have in 40 years

liberal lie of course!!! Top 1% pay 40% of all income tax, but only 20% under Reagan.
40>20. Did you know that????????

Link

Top 20% of Earners Pay 84% of Income Tax

Top 1% pay nearly half of federal income taxes

Why did you make me read your stupid links?
They say nothing about Reagan
I already agreed they pay most the taxes because they have most the income numerous times

Your question was not specific, so I gave you what I thought you were looking for.

You already know they pay most of the taxes, then why are you for them paying even more????

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Doesn't that highlight how the middle class slice of the pie has diminished?

yes its diminished thanks to liberal regulation taxes and unions that drove 20 million jobs off shore and 30 million liberal illegals invited in to take our jobs and bid down wages.
Plus thannks to the liberal war on our schools families and religion that has rendered many unfit for middle class jobs.

NOw do you understand?
The more you lie to yourself about what happened the harder it is to look in the mirror. Liberals are destroying America and you are as blind to it as the Nazis were to Hitler and the Russians were to Stalin.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Should it be the 1% who control 34.6% of our wealth
?

no but thanks to liberal regulation taxes and unions that drove 20 million jobs off shore and 30 million liberal illegals invited in to take our jobs and bid down wages that the way it is.
Plus thanks to the liberal war on our schools families and religion that has rendered many unfit for middle class jobs were they available.

Now do you understand having learned the lesson 126 times??


The more you lie to yourself about what happened the harder it is to look in the mirror. Liberals are destroying America and you are as blind to it as the Nazis were to Hitler and the Russians were to Stalin.

 

[OnePercenter]

It's not a question of how many yachts or cars can the wealthy own......but one of how long to we accept the excuse that they can't afford to pay higher taxes, higher wages, create more jobs given their conspicuous wealth

Nobody said "they can't" pay higher taxes, it's just that the top 10% of wage earners in this country pay 70% of all collected income taxes as it is. Hell, the top 1% pay 40% of all collected income taxes.

The question is not their ability, but of equity.

And as I've pointed out to you numerous times;

1% of 1,000,000.00 is more 1% of 10. It's not the amount of dollars paid, it's the percentage of total income/revenue vs tax paid. The top pay (in dollars) 3%, while the middle class pays (in dollars) 15%.

Why should the rich be punished by forcing them to pay more than any other family of 4?

The rich pay less percentage of their income than the family of four you write of.

As a middle class person, why are you defending the rich? We don't need you to defended us. We have Republican politicians to do that.

 

[OnePercenter]

It's not a question of how many yachts or cars can the wealthy own......but one of how long to we accept the excuse that they can't afford to pay higher taxes, higher wages, create more jobs given their conspicuous wealth

Nobody said "they can't" pay higher taxes, it's just that the top 10% of wage earners in this country pay 70% of all collected income taxes as it is. Hell, the top 1% pay 40% of all collected income taxes.

The question is not their ability, but of equity.

And as I've pointed out to you numerous times;

1% of 1,000,000.00 is more 1% of 10. It's not the amount of dollars paid, it's the percentage of total income/revenue vs tax paid. The top pay (in dollars) 3%, while the middle class pays (in dollars) 15%.

Sure they do Mr.Rich man:

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Who Pays Taxes in America in 2014? | CTJReports

Again. It's the percentage, NOT the amount.

Why do you continue to defend the rich when we're clearly screwing you?

 

[BluesLegend]

It's not a question of how many yachts or cars can the wealthy own......but one of how long to we accept the excuse that they can't afford to pay higher taxes, higher wages, create more jobs given their conspicuous wealth

Nobody said "they can't" pay higher taxes, it's just that the top 10% of wage earners in this country pay 70% of all collected income taxes as it is. Hell, the top 1% pay 40% of all collected income taxes.

The question is not their ability, but of equity.

And as I've pointed out to you numerous times;

1% of 1,000,000.00 is more 1% of 10. It's not the amount of dollars paid, it's the percentage of total income/revenue vs tax paid. The top pay (in dollars) 3%, while the middle class pays (in dollars) 15%.

Why should the rich be punished by forcing them to pay more than any other family of 4?

The rich pay less percentage of their income than the family of four you write of.

As a middle class person, why are you defending the rich? We don't need you to defended us. We have Republican politicians to do that.

As you are obviously an imbecile I hesitate to even respond but okay. Does a rich family of 4 cost more to defend than a middle class family of 4? Does a rich family of 4 use more roads, bridges, police, fire, or public services? Why should a rich family of 4 pay 1000 times more to fund our military than a middle class family of 4? I'm sure we would all love to hear you justify fucking over rich people.

 

[rightwinger]

Who should we expect to pay most of out taxes?

Should it be the 1% who control 34.6% of our wealth
or the 40% who control 2 tenths of a percent of our wealth?

They don't control OUR wealth, they control their own wealth just like you do. Who should we expect to pay the most? How about everybody pay equally? Nah, that wouldn't work for Democrats because Democrats tell people they will give them things and send the bill to the wealthy. After all, who would vote against free stuff for them at other peoples expense?

The issue is national policy

WHY do we continue to enact public policy that helps the wealthy maintain and gain wealth when they obviously don't need it and it hasn't delivered the "trickle down" effects that were promised?

 

[rightwinger]

It's not a question of how many yachts or cars can the wealthy own......but one of how long to we accept the excuse that they can't afford to pay higher taxes, higher wages, create more jobs given their conspicuous wealth

Nobody said "they can't" pay higher taxes, it's just that the top 10% of wage earners in this country pay 70% of all collected income taxes as it is. Hell, the top 1% pay 40% of all collected income taxes.

The question is not their ability, but of equity.

And as I've pointed out to you numerous times;

1% of 1,000,000.00 is more 1% of 10. It's not the amount of dollars paid, it's the percentage of total income/revenue vs tax paid. The top pay (in dollars) 3%, while the middle class pays (in dollars) 15%.

Why should the rich be punished by forcing them to pay more than any other family of 4?

The rich pay less percentage of their income than the family of four you write of.

As a middle class person, why are you defending the rich? We don't need you to defended us. We have Republican politicians to do that.

As you are obviously an imbecile I hesitate to even respond but okay. Does a rich family of 4 cost more to defend than a middle class family of 4? Does a rich family of 4 use more roads, bridges, police, fire, or public services? Why should a rich family of 4 pay 1000 times more to fund our military than a middle class family of 4? I'm sure we would all love to hear you justify fucking over rich people.

The answer is definitely YES

A wealthy family needs the military to defend their financial interests around the globe. If you think our global military presence is because they are defending American values, you are naïve. Our military defends American markets and investments. The US has not been invaded in 200 years. The average family is perfectly safe without our military

YES the wealthy profit from roads, bridges, police, fire and public services more than the average family. An average family uses public infrastructure to visit grandma once a month. The wealthy rely on it to conduct business, move their product, bring in low cost supplies..it affects their profit margin. The average family has few items of value. The wealthy use police and fire to protect their business investment. The wealthy need our courts to defend their business contracts, protect their patents, protect against unfair competition

 

[OnePercenter]

It's not a question of how many yachts or cars can the wealthy own......but one of how long to we accept the excuse that they can't afford to pay higher taxes, higher wages, create more jobs given their conspicuous wealth

Nobody said "they can't" pay higher taxes, it's just that the top 10% of wage earners in this country pay 70% of all collected income taxes as it is. Hell, the top 1% pay 40% of all collected income taxes.

The question is not their ability, but of equity.

And as I've pointed out to you numerous times;

1% of 1,000,000.00 is more 1% of 10. It's not the amount of dollars paid, it's the percentage of total income/revenue vs tax paid. The top pay (in dollars) 3%, while the middle class pays (in dollars) 15%.

Why should the rich be punished by forcing them to pay more than any other family of 4?

The rich pay less percentage of their income than the family of four you write of.

As a middle class person, why are you defending the rich? We don't need you to defended us. We have Republican politicians to do that.

As you are obviously an imbecile I hesitate to even respond but okay. Does a rich family of 4 cost more to defend than a middle class family of 4? Does a rich family of 4 use more roads, bridges, police, fire, or public services? Why should a rich family of 4 pay 1000 times more to fund our military than a middle class family of 4? I'm sure we would all love to hear you justify fucking over rich people.

So the rich family of four should pay a less percentage than you simply because they made more?

How is equal tax percentages fucking over the rich people?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

YES the wealthy profit from roads, bridges, police, fire and public services more than the average family. An average family uses public infrastructure to visit grandma once a month. The wealthy rely on it to conduct business, move their product, bring in low cost supplies..it affects their profit margin. The average family has few items of value. The wealthy use police and fire to protect their business investment. The wealthy need our courts to defend their business contracts, protect their patents, protect against unfair competition

The wealthy benefit no more than anybody else. People need to use the roads to get to work everyday, to go grocery shopping, to have trucks bring those groceries to their store, same goes with gasoline to run their car, to get their mail and packages delivered.

Yes, the wealthy need to move their products and bring in supplies. But don't worry about that because the government taxes the shit out of us in the transportation industry and we pass those taxes on to Mr. Wealthy in our delivery/ pickup charges. Our small trucks get 13 mpg and our tractor-trailers average about 6.5 mpg, and they tax the hell out of diesel fuel. Plus there is additional road taxes on how many miles we drive.

As for business contracts, courts, patents, the wealthy pay for those separately on top of the taxes they pay. Remember that if a business has 300 employees, all those employees pay SS taxes, Medicare taxes, city taxes, state taxes, and in some places, county taxes. Without Mr. Wealthy, our governments would never benefit from all those taxes they collect.