Russia's Armata tank falls victim to harsh economic reality

[DrainBamage]

Russian Armata production falters - shift to upgrading old tanks | NextBigFuture.com

Russian Armata production falters – shift to upgrading old tanks

The Russian Armata program, a universal chassis system that is intended to be the foundational element for Russia’s future armor force and includes the third-generation T-14 main battle tank (MBT), could be in danger of being cancelled, following recent announcements to upgrade T-80 and T-90 series main battle tanks (MBTs) in addition to revising plans to melt down 10,000 armored vehicles by 2020. Russia will melt down 4,000 armored vehicles and retain the remaining 6,000 as a strategic reserve. Earlier this year, the MoD also awarded a $417 million contract to upgrade T-80 and T-90 MBTs to modern standards.

 

[DrainBamage]

This comes on the heels of Russia completely nerfing their "upgrade" to that dilapidated aircraft carrier they tow around.

Russia's Dilapidated Aircraft Carrier To Get a Downer of an Upgrade

This week, a Russian-language report [3] in Interfax disclosed that Russia has cut in half funding for repairing and modernization its aircraft carrier. “Instead of [the] previously planned approximately 50 billion rubles [$867 million] for the work, it is planned to allocate about half of the previously announced amount,” Interfax reported, citing a source “familiar” with the situation. The same source said that the budgetary problems has forced Russia to abandon plans to modernize the carrier, and instead Moscow will only proceed with the previously planned repairs. These will primarily focus on fixing the vessel's propulsion system, the report added. This is the absolute minimum Russia can do to avoid completely scrapping the ship: the propulsion system has been so unreliable that the carrier must be accompanied [4] at all times by a large, ocean-going tug ship in case it breaks down

 

[Litwin]

Russian Armata production falters - shift to upgrading old tanks | NextBigFuture.com

Russian Armata production falters – shift to upgrading old tanks

The Russian Armata program, a universal chassis system that is intended to be the foundational element for Russia’s future armor force and includes the third-generation T-14 main battle tank (MBT), could be in danger of being cancelled, following recent announcements to upgrade T-80 and T-90 series main battle tanks (MBTs) in addition to revising plans to melt down 10,000 armored vehicles by 2020. Russia will melt down 4,000 armored vehicles and retain the remaining 6,000 as a strategic reserve. Earlier this year, the MoD also awarded a $417 million contract to upgrade T-80 and T-90 MBTs to modern standards.

Armata "tank" is a fake, its a joke

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Russian Armata production falters - shift to upgrading old tanks | NextBigFuture.com

Russian Armata production falters – shift to upgrading old tanks

The Russian Armata program, a universal chassis system that is intended to be the foundational element for Russia’s future armor force and includes the third-generation T-14 main battle tank (MBT), could be in danger of being cancelled, following recent announcements to upgrade T-80 and T-90 series main battle tanks (MBTs) in addition to revising plans to melt down 10,000 armored vehicles by 2020. Russia will melt down 4,000 armored vehicles and retain the remaining 6,000 as a strategic reserve. Earlier this year, the MoD also awarded a $417 million contract to upgrade T-80 and T-90 MBTs to modern standards.

Armata "tank" is a fake, its a joke

No, it's real but the production of it isn't. Russia is having serious problems with funding their current military programs. The SU57 is caught up with the same problem. They just don't have the funds to get the things they want into production of make a production of either the SU57 or the Armata. While both really do exist, the systems needed to put them into production are just too expensive. So you may see them but they are far from battle ready.

 

[Litwin]

Russian Armata production falters - shift to upgrading old tanks | NextBigFuture.com

Russian Armata production falters – shift to upgrading old tanks

The Russian Armata program, a universal chassis system that is intended to be the foundational element for Russia’s future armor force and includes the third-generation T-14 main battle tank (MBT), could be in danger of being cancelled, following recent announcements to upgrade T-80 and T-90 series main battle tanks (MBTs) in addition to revising plans to melt down 10,000 armored vehicles by 2020. Russia will melt down 4,000 armored vehicles and retain the remaining 6,000 as a strategic reserve. Earlier this year, the MoD also awarded a $417 million contract to upgrade T-80 and T-90 MBTs to modern standards.

Armata "tank" is a fake, its a joke

No, it's real but the production of it isn't. Russia is having serious problems with funding their current military programs. The SU57 is caught up with the same problem. They just don't have the funds to get the things they want into production of make a production of either the SU57 or the Armata. While both really do exist, the systems needed to put them into production are just too expensive. So you may see them but they are far from battle ready.

THERE ARE couple of prototypes, for sure. but tank itself doest exist in Muscovite army, not my words but Alexander Goltz said it, yo can write him , facebook etc. he is a leading expert on this subject

or use google translate


Танк "Армата": сверхсекретная потемкинская деревня России

Армата

 

[DrainBamage]

We're also still waiting on their new super carriers and hypersonic missiles.

Any... day... now...

 

[Viacheslav]

Russia is having serious problems with funding their current military programs. The SU57 is caught up with the same problem. They just don't have the funds to get the things they want into production of make a production of either the SU57 or the Armata. While both really do exist, the systems needed to put them into production are just too expensive. So you may see them but they are far from battle ready.

This is not entirely true. Russia has a significant part of the economy in the shadows, and this is not a question of money, in Russia there is a lot of money, enough for Armata, SU-57 and others. First of all, Russia faces a shortage of specialists, because in the Russian military industry one of the lowest salaries, and, for example, a seller at McDonald's can earn more than an engineer in Almaz-Antey.

 

[Litwin]

We're also still waiting on their new super carriers and hypersonic missiles.

Any... day... now...

the USA is technologically 50 ahead of Muscovy, in software in 70 years

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Russia is having serious problems with funding their current military programs. The SU57 is caught up with the same problem. They just don't have the funds to get the things they want into production of make a production of either the SU57 or the Armata. While both really do exist, the systems needed to put them into production are just too expensive. So you may see them but they are far from battle ready.

This is not entirely true. Russia has a significant part of the economy in the shadows, and this is not a question of money, in Russia there is a lot of money, enough for Armata, SU-57 and others. First of all, Russia faces a shortage of specialists, because in the Russian military industry one of the lowest salaries, and, for example, a seller at McDonald's can earn more than an engineer in Almaz-Antey.

Either way, there just isn't the funding whether it be for research, parts or manpower. It appears the old ways of recruitment aren't being used anymore by Russia.

 

[Viacheslav]

It appears the old ways of recruitment aren't being used anymore by Russia.

Yes, now Russia is an open and generally free country, but almost all the military industry lives in the realities of the Soviet Union, a very similar situation in the Russian space industry

 

[westwall]

It appears the old ways of recruitment aren't being used anymore by Russia.

Yes, now Russia is an open and generally free country, but almost all the military industry lives in the realities of the Soviet Union, a very similar situation in the Russian space industry

At least they have a space industry. Obummer shut ours down.

 

[Viacheslav]

At least they have a space industry.

Yes, but this trend is negative, for example, when numerous defects in rocket engines for Proton M were revealed, Rogozin (Vice Prime Minister) after the investigation he said that the cause of the defects was criminal negligence in the workplace and also he said that the workers had been paid about 10,000 rubles or $ 172 a month.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

It appears the old ways of recruitment aren't being used anymore by Russia.

Yes, now Russia is an open and generally free country, but almost all the military industry lives in the realities of the Soviet Union, a very similar situation in the Russian space industry

At least they have a space industry. Obummer shut ours down.

You are just trolling. And this isn't Political, it's Military. Do you want the Mod to see what you are typing?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

At least they have a space industry.

Yes, but this trend is negative, for example, when numerous defects in rocket engines for Proton M were revealed, Rogozin (Vice Prime Minister) after the investigation he said that the cause of the defects was criminal negligence in the workplace and also he said that the workers had been paid about 10,000 rubles or $ 172 a month.

Danged. In Mexico that would be considered a pay raise. They recently went to 5 bucks a day. It's easy to see why the US is leading in the Military Hardware. And it's easy to see that many countries that are trying to compete are extremely underpaying their military civilian workers which makes it appear that they are spending less. I have a feeling if Russia were to pay fair wages, they would get better work but it would show just how much they would really be spending. As one party said, a Mickey D worker in Russia makes more than a Defense Employee. And that is sad, indeed. I guess if we are ever attacked by a flight of Big Macs it might stand a chance since they would be in better shape than their Military.

 

[DrainBamage]

This is not entirely true. Russia has a significant part of the economy in the shadows, and this is not a question of money, in Russia there is a lot of money, enough for Armata, SU-57 and others.

It is exactly a question of money.

When Russia has to slash the budget of their aircraft carrier to the point where almost all the upgrades to being a modern warship are canceled and they are just trying to make the things run well enough so it doesn't need an ocean tugboat as part of it's flotilla they have money problems.

 

[DrainBamage]

Yes, now Russia is an open and generally free country

Yeah great place to be a political activist or journalist.

 

[Viacheslav]

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When Russia has to slash the budget of their aircraft carrier to the point where almost all the upgrades to being a modern warship are canceled and they are just trying to make the things run well enough so it doesn't need an ocean tugboat as part of it's flotilla they have money problems.

Russia has no sane position about aircraft carriers, moreover, it was not in the USSR. The Russian military doctrine is very different from the American one, and in Russia aircraft carriers are not the main military force, Russia's "military" interests are near its border, Syria, Ukraine.

Yeah great place to be a political activist or journalist.

I did not talk about politics, and I meant engineers. Although the life of a political activist or journalist in Russia is probably not worse than in China.

 

[DrainBamage]

Although the life of a political activist or journalist in Russia is probably not worse than in China.

True. Set the bar high.

 

[DrainBamage]

and this is not a question of money, in Russia there is a lot of money, enough for Armata, SU-57 and others.

Hah yeah....

Russia announces deepest defence budget cuts since 1990s | Jane's 360
Figures released by the Russian Federal Treasury have confirmed that Russia's defence budget has been cut by 25.5% for 2017, falling from RUB3.8 trillion (USD65.4 billion) to RUB2.8 trillion. The reduction represents the largest cut to military expenditure in the country since the early 1990s.

Nah no issues with money here...

 

[Viacheslav]

Nah no issues with money here...

If we are tolking about Armata than main problems still is a people, military industry has a problem with staff shortages. Military programs such as Armata, SU-57, were financed for many years to come and there are no reductions for them.
But if be honestly we can't talk seriously about Russian military program and budget because there a lot of secret part, , and often the media just come up with it.