Rove "Proud" US Tortured Detainees

[CMike]

Let me help the libs to make this a little challenging.

Please pick one or more

1) The CIA lied

2) All the videos were destroyed

3) Ya, like you can trust the CIA with anything

4) Bush lied, people died

5) It was the weather

 

[DE3]

I already showed this numerous times.

http://luxmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o10/clients/aclu/olc_05302005_bradbury.pdf

This is a CIA memo the justice department. It was declassified by Obama.

It shows that all measures short of waterboarding failed to get the 3 arch terrorists to talk.

When asked about futher terrorist attacks, they simply responded "soon you will know".

After being waterboarding they revealed information that:

1. Thwarted a terrorist attack to crash a plane into a LA building
   
2. Stopped a terrorist attack to build and explode a "dirty bomb" in Washington D.C.
   
3. Half of all the information about Al Qaida came from this.

The waterboarding done to the terrorists was milder than the waterboarding done to some of the CIA personnel during their training.

In the training the subject is:

Totally immersed in water

The water is below 41 degrees F

With the arch terrorists

They were splashed with water

It was always above 41 degrees F

Yes, it's means to be very unpleasant.

Also, there were medical doctors who ascertained befor hand that no phyiscial or mental severe suffering would occur, and they were monitored during the whole process.

In fact, some waterboardings were not allowed because of the medical personnel's conclusions.

All it takes is a very simple search:

Why al-Qaida's plot to bomb L.A.'s Library Tower didn't warrant torture. - By Timothy Noah - Slate Magazine

The first reason to be skeptical that this planned attack could have been carried out successfully is that, as I've noted before, attacking buildings by flying planes into them didn't remain a viable al-Qaida strategy even through Sept. 11, 2001. Thanks to cell phones, passengers on United Flight 93 were able to learn that al-Qaida was using planes as missiles and crashed the plane before it could hit its target. There was no way future passengers on any flight would let a terrorist who killed the pilot and took the controls fly wherever he pleased.

A subsequent fact sheet released by the Bush White House states, "In 2002, we broke up [italics mine] a plot by KSM to hijack an airplane and fly it into the tallest building on the West Coast." These two statements make clear that however far the plot to attack the Library Tower ever got—an unnamed senior FBI official would later tell the Los Angeles Times that Bush's characterization of it as a "disrupted plot" was "ludicrous"—that plot was foiled in 2002. But Sheikh Mohammed wasn't captured until March 2003.

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Bush and the Republicans. The party of deception, lies and greed.

What possible relevance does this editoral have?

I posted the Obama declassified CIA/Justice Department memo.

This guys fairy tales have nothing to do with the issue.

Also what an unnamed FBI person thinks doesn't matter, since this was handled by the CIA.

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"In 2002, we broke up [italics mine] a plot by KSM to hijack an airplane and fly it into the tallest building on the West Coast."

The memo you posted does not support that claim.

It was not a CIA memo, it was a DoJ memo.

Stopped a terrorist attack to build and explode a "dirty bomb" in Washington D.C.

Nor does it support this statement you made.

 

[CMike]

All it takes is a very simple search:

Why al-Qaida's plot to bomb L.A.'s Library Tower didn't warrant torture. - By Timothy Noah - Slate Magazine

The first reason to be skeptical that this planned attack could have been carried out successfully is that, as I've noted before, attacking buildings by flying planes into them didn't remain a viable al-Qaida strategy even through Sept. 11, 2001. Thanks to cell phones, passengers on United Flight 93 were able to learn that al-Qaida was using planes as missiles and crashed the plane before it could hit its target. There was no way future passengers on any flight would let a terrorist who killed the pilot and took the controls fly wherever he pleased.

A subsequent fact sheet released by the Bush White House states, "In 2002, we broke up [italics mine] a plot by KSM to hijack an airplane and fly it into the tallest building on the West Coast." These two statements make clear that however far the plot to attack the Library Tower ever got—an unnamed senior FBI official would later tell the Los Angeles Times that Bush's characterization of it as a "disrupted plot" was "ludicrous"—that plot was foiled in 2002. But Sheikh Mohammed wasn't captured until March 2003.

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Bush and the Republicans. The party of deception, lies and greed.

What possible relevance does this editoral have?

I posted the Obama declassified CIA/Justice Department memo.

This guys fairy tales have nothing to do with the issue.

Also what an unnamed FBI person thinks doesn't matter, since this was handled by the CIA.

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"In 2002, we broke up [italics mine] a plot by KSM to hijack an airplane and fly it into the tallest building on the West Coast."

The memo you posted does not support that claim.

It was not a CIA memo, it was a DoJ memo.

Stopped a terrorist attack to build and explode a "dirty bomb" in Washington D.C.

Nor does it support this statement you made.

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Interrogations of Zubaydah-again, once enhanced techniques were empfoyedfurnished
detailed information regarding a( Qaeda's "organizational structure, key operatives,
and modus operandi" and identified KSM as the mastermind of tile September 11 attacks. See
Briefing Notes at 4. You have informed us that Zubaydah also "provided significant infonnation on two operatives, [including] Jose Padilla-[,] who planned to build and detonate a 'dirty bomb in Wasbington DC area."

This is from page 10 too, the formatting is kind of messed up.


With these caveats, we tum to specific examples that you have provided to us. You have
informed us that the interrogation ofKSM.....-,Ql1ce enhanced techniques were employed-led to
the discovery of a KSM piot, the "Second Wave," "to use East Asian operatives to crash a
hijacked airliner into" a building in Los Angeles. Fjfectiveness Memo at 3, You have informed
us that information obtained from KSM also led to the capture ofRidl.ltil1 bin Isomudditl, better
known as Hambali, and the discovery of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member lemaah Islatniyah cell tasked with executing the "Second Wave," See/d. at 3-4; CIA Directorate ofJIltellige.l1ce, AlQa'ida's Ties to Other Key Terror Grotlps: Terrorists Links in a Chain 2 (Aug. 28, 2003), More specifically, we understand that KSM admitted that he bad . " a
of money to an a1 Qaeda associate. See Fax fro
C1 Counterterrorist Center, Briefing Notes on the e Reporting at 1
15,2005) ("Briefing Notes'). Khan subsequently identified the associate (Zubair), who
was thcncaptured. Zubair, in turn, provided jnformation that led to the arrest ofHambali. See
id The information acquired from these captures allm'lcd CIA interroggators to pose more
specific questions to KSlvf, which led the CIA Hambali's brother, al-HadL Using information
obtained from multiple sources, al-Hadi "vas captured, and he subsequently identified the Guraba
cd!. See id at 1 With the aid oftbis additional information, interrogations ofHambali
confirmed much of what was learned from KSM

 

[Tommy Lucchese]

"We haven't tortured."

I don't think you have any supporting evidence to back up that statement. We have prosecuted the act at home and abroad.

Bleeding heart? Uh, no.

You didn't answer the question.

So, does understanding more about your enemy justify torture?

We haven't tortured.

That's the second time I answered your question.

I went through S.E.A.R... It's uncomfortable as all hell, certainly not torture. I have no problem with the CIA making those who want to kill my fellow americans feel uncomfortable. No problem whatsoever.

What we prosecuted was TORTURE. The tecniques involved are night and day. If you educate yourself, you'll see that's true.

Fuck that image garbage. Our enemy doesn't give a shit about image. They want to cut YOUR head off regardless of image.

But, the bottom line is, we haven't tortured hence, nobody's being tried for torture. Facts are facts!

Just because you say it isn't torture does not make it so.

They exceeded the SEAR training.

The techniques are not night and day. You obviously have not read what we did.

Again, if it was not a problem and so productive why did we stop doing it in 2004???????????



The CIA Inspector General obviously disagrees with you. And I dare say he might have a bit more info on the subject.

Of course it's like SERE, they use the techniques inflicted on SERE students on the enemy combatants, which BTW are Communist Bloc tortures that we were trying to inoculate our guys against.

SERE was originally developed because of the confessions downed US airmen were giving on film during the Korean War without a scratch on them.

SERE is specifically designed to resist against techniques that break your mind without causing permanent physical damage and cause you to falsely confess to being an air pirate or whatever.

We are now using these tortures on our prisoners.

 

[Tommy Lucchese]

The controversial interrogation technique known as waterboarding, in which a suspect has water poured over his mouth and nose to stimulate a drowning reflex, has been banned by CIA director Gen. Michael Hayden, current and former CIA officials tell ABCNews.com

The officials say Hayden made the decision at the recommendation of his deputy, Steve Kappes, and received approval from the White House to remove waterboarding from the list of approved interrogation techniques first authorized by a presidential finding in 2002.

The officials say the decision was made sometime last year but has never been publicly disclosed.


.

No mention of torture whatsoever.

No ones been fired, no ones been prosecuted.

What they did was simply change tecniques to appease the bleeding hearts.

We are still using enhanced interrogation, and if you think otherwise, than yes, you are seriously naive!

But the fact of the matter is, we never tortured!

Now, the Japs and Pol Pot?...... they tortured!

There was a CIA Inspector General's report a few years back that referred a dozen cases of detainee abuse to the DOJ for possible homicide prosecution.

 

[CMike]

This truely is twisted.

Yes the waterboarding is supposed to break the will of the arch terrorist

Yes it is supposed to scare the shit out of them

Yes it is supposed to be unpleasent.

It was done only on 3 terrorists.

According to CIA guidelines, waterboarding could only be done if the CIA suspected it needed to be done to stop an imminent attack. It passed the guidelines.

All other methods failed, and the terrorists were taunting interrogators about further terrorist attacks.

It worked, it stopped two major terrorist attacks.

What is really twisted is that the left cares more about 3 terrorists being wateboarded, than thousands of americans suffering an anguish death, if these terrorists were not waterboarded.

Sick.

 

[ABikerSailor]

No wonder the lefties are so confused, they rely on their left wing blogs for their facts, and we rely on the actual documentation from the agencies that directly handled these affairs.

Yeah right...........like the actual documentation from the Bush Jr. admin "proved" that Saddam had ties to AQ and WMD's.

Sorry, but the credibility that Bush Jr. used to have was shot straight through the wall with that one.

No fucking way I'm gonna believe that they didn't torture.

 

[CMike]

Saddam did have ties with Al Qaida that went back a decade.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Saddam did have ties with Al Qaida that went back a decade.

Link? Prove your claims or be branded a liar.

 

[CMike]

Why do I have to keep posting the same stuff over and over?

 

[CMike]

Testimony of CIA Director Tenet in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee



Levin: And relative to Iraq, a couple other questions: Do we--do you have any evidence that Saddam Hussein or his agents played a role in the September 11th terrorist attacks or that he has links to al Qaeda?


Tenet: Well, as I note in my statement, there is no doubt that there have been contacts and linkages to the al Qaeda organization. As to where we are in September 11th, the jury's out. And as I said carefully in my statement, it would be a mistake to dismiss the possibility of state sponsorship, whether Iranian or Iraqi, and we'll see where the evidence takes us. But I want you to think about al Qaeda as a front company that mixes and matches its capabilities. The distinctions between Sunni and Shia that have traditionally divided terrorist groups are not distinctions you should make anymore, because there is a common interest against the United States and its allies in this region, and they will seek capability wherever they can get it.

 

[rdean]

What possible relevance does this editoral have?

I posted the Obama declassified CIA/Justice Department memo.

This guys fairy tales have nothing to do with the issue.

Also what an unnamed FBI person thinks doesn't matter, since this was handled by the CIA.

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The memo you posted does not support that claim.

It was not a CIA memo, it was a DoJ memo.

Stopped a terrorist attack to build and explode a "dirty bomb" in Washington D.C.

Nor does it support this statement you made.

Page 10
http://luxmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o10/clients/aclu/olc_05302005_bradbury.pdf

Interrogations of Zubaydah-again, once enhanced techniques were empfoyedfurnished
detailed information regarding a( Qaeda's "organizational structure, key operatives,
and modus operandi" and identified KSM as the mastermind of tile September 11 attacks. See
Briefing Notes at 4. You have informed us that Zubaydah also "provided significant infonnation on two operatives, [including] Jose Padilla-[,] who planned to build and detonate a 'dirty bomb in Wasbington DC area."

This is from page 10 too, the formatting is kind of messed up.


With these caveats, we tum to specific examples that you have provided to us. You have
informed us that the interrogation ofKSM.....-,Ql1ce enhanced techniques were employed-led to
the discovery of a KSM piot, the "Second Wave," "to use East Asian operatives to crash a
hijacked airliner into" a building in Los Angeles. Fjfectiveness Memo at 3, You have informed
us that information obtained from KSM also led to the capture ofRidl.ltil1 bin Isomudditl, better
known as Hambali, and the discovery of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member lemaah Islatniyah cell tasked with executing the "Second Wave," See/d. at 3-4; CIA Directorate ofJIltellige.l1ce, AlQa'ida's Ties to Other Key Terror Grotlps: Terrorists Links in a Chain 2 (Aug. 28, 2003), More specifically, we understand that KSM admitted that he bad . " a
of money to an a1 Qaeda associate. See Fax fro
C1 Counterterrorist Center, Briefing Notes on the e Reporting at 1
15,2005) ("Briefing Notes'). Khan subsequently identified the associate (Zubair), who
was thcncaptured. Zubair, in turn, provided jnformation that led to the arrest ofHambali. See
id The information acquired from these captures allm'lcd CIA interroggators to pose more
specific questions to KSlvf, which led the CIA Hambali's brother, al-HadL Using information
obtained from multiple sources, al-Hadi "vas captured, and he subsequently identified the Guraba
cd!. See id at 1 With the aid oftbis additional information, interrogations ofHambali
confirmed much of what was learned from KSM

Does everything have to be spelled out?

----attacking buildings by flying planes into them didn't remain a viable al-Qaida strategy even through Sept. 11, 2001. Thanks to cell phones, passengers on United Flight 93 were able to learn that al-Qaida was using planes as missiles and crashed the plane before it could hit its target. There was no way future passengers on any flight would let a terrorist who killed the pilot and took the controls fly wherever he pleased.

 

[CMike]

The DOD memo is pretty extensive, go to the link and it's easier to read.

Case Closed | The Weekly Standard

The memo, dated October 27, 2003, was sent from Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith to Senators Pat Roberts and Jay Rockefeller, the chairman and vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. It was written in response to a request from the committee as part of its investigation into prewar intelligence claims made by the administration. Intelligence reporting included in the 16-page memo comes from a variety of domestic and foreign agencies, including the FBI, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the National Security Agency. Much of the evidence is detailed, conclusive, and corroborated by multiple sources. Some of it is new information obtained in custodial interviews with high-level al Qaeda terrorists and Iraqi officials, and some of it is more than a decade old. The picture that emerges is one of a history of collaboration between two of America's most determined and dangerous enemies.
15. A foreign government service reported that an Iraqi delegation, including at least two Iraqi intelligence officers formerly assigned to the Iraqi Embassy in Pakistan, met in late 1998 with bin Laden in Afghanistan.

16. According to CIA reporting, bin Laden and Zawahiri met with two Iraqi intelligence officers in Afghanistan in Dec. 1998.

17. . . . Iraq sent an intelligence officer to Afghanistan to seek closer ties to bin Laden and the Taliban in late 1998. The source reported that the Iraqi regime was trying to broaden its cooperation with al Qaeda. Iraq was looking to recruit Muslim "elements" to sabotage U.S. and U.K. interests. After a senior Iraqi intelligence officer met with Taliban leader [Mullah] Omar, arrangements were made for a series of meetings between the Iraqi intelligence officer and bin Laden in Pakistan. The source noted Faruq Hijazi was in Afghanistan in late 1998.

18. . . . Faruq Hijazi went to Afghanistan in 1999 along with several other Iraqi officials to meet with bin Laden. The source claimed that Hijazi would have met bin Laden only at Saddam's explicit direction.

An analysis that follows No. 18 provides additional context and an explanation of these reports:


Reporting entries #4, #11, #15, #16, #17, and #18, from different sources, corroborate each other and provide confirmation of meetings between al Qaeda operatives and Iraqi intelligence in Afghanistan and Pakistan. None of the reports have information on operational details or the purpose of such meetings. The covert nature of the relationship would indicate strict compartmentation [sic] of operations.

Information about connections between al Qaeda and Iraq was so widespread by early 1999 that it made its way into the mainstream press. A January 11, 1999, Newsweek story ran under this headline: "Saddam + Bin Laden?" The story cited an "Arab intelligence source" with knowledge of contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda. "According to this source, Saddam expected last month's American and British bombing campaign to go on much longer than it did. The dictator believed that as the attacks continued, indignation would grow in the Muslim world, making his terrorism offensive both harder to trace and more effective. With acts of terror contributing to chaos in the region, Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait might feel less inclined to support Washington. Saddam's long-term strategy, according to several sources, is to bully or cajole Muslim countries into breaking the embargo against Iraq, without waiting for the United Nations to lift if formally."

23. . . . Iraqi officials were carefully considering offering safe haven to bin Laden and his closest collaborators in Nov. 1999. The source indicated the idea was put forward by the presumed head of Iraqi intelligence in Islamabad (Khalid Janaby) who in turn was in frequent contact and had good relations with bin Laden.

Some of the most intriguing intelligence concerns an Iraqi named Ahmed Hikmat Shakir:


24. According to sensitive reporting, a Malaysia-based Iraqi national (Shakir) facilitated the arrival of one of the Sept 11 hijackers for an operational meeting in Kuala Lumpur (Jan 2000). Sensitive reporting indicates Shakir's travel and contacts link him to a worldwide network of terrorists, including al Qaeda. Shakir worked at the Kuala Lumpur airport--a job he claimed to have obtained through an Iraqi embassy employee.


25. Investigation into the bombing of the USS Cole in October 2000 by al Qaeda revealed no specific Iraqi connections but according to the CIA, "fragmentary evidence points to possible Iraqi involvement."

26. During a custodial interview, Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi [a senior al Qaeda operative] said he was told by an al Qaeda associate that he was tasked to travel to Iraq (1998) to establish a relationship with Iraqi intelligence to obtain poisons and gases training. After the USS Cole bombing in 2000, two al Qaeda operatives were sent to Iraq for CBW-related [Chemical and Biological Weapons] training beginning in Dec 2000. Iraqi intelligence was "encouraged" after the embassy and USS Cole bombings to provide this training.

The analysis of this report follows.


CIA maintains that Ibn al-Shaykh's timeline is consistent with other sensitive reporting indicating that bin Laden asked Iraq in 1998 for advanced weapons, including CBW and "poisons."

Additional reporting also calls into question the claim that relations between Iraq and al Qaeda cooled after mid-1999:

27. According to sensitive CIA reporting, . . . the Saudi National Guard went on a kingdom-wide state of alert in late Dec 2000 after learning Saddam agreed to assist al Qaeda in attacking U.S./U.K. interests in Saudi Arabia.

And then there is the alleged contact between lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta and an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague. The reporting on those links suggests not one meeting, but as many as four. What's more, the memo reveals potential financing of Atta's activities by Iraqi intelligence.


The Czech counterintelligence service reported that the Sept. 11 hijacker [Mohamed] Atta met with the former Iraqi intelligence chief in Prague, [Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir] al Ani, on several occasions. During one of these meetings, al Ani ordered the IIS finance officer to issue Atta funds from IIS financial holdings in the Prague office.

And the commentary:


CIA can confirm two Atta visits to Prague--in Dec. 1994 and in June 2000; data surrounding the other two--on 26 Oct 1999 and 9 April 2001--is complicated and sometimes contradictory and CIA and FBI cannot confirm Atta met with the IIS. Czech Interior Minister Stanislav Gross continues to stand by his information.

31. An Oct. 2002 . . . report said al Qaeda and Iraq reached a secret agreement whereby Iraq would provide safe haven to al Qaeda members and provide them with money and weapons. The agreement reportedly prompted a large number of al Qaeda members to head to Iraq. The report also said that al Qaeda members involved in a fraudulent passport network for al Qaeda had been directed to procure 90 Iraqi and Syrian passports for al Qaeda personnel.

The analysis that accompanies that report indicates that the report fits the pattern of Iraq-al Qaeda collaboration:


References to procurement of false passports from Iraq and offers of safe haven previously have surfaced in CIA source reporting considered reliable. Intelligence reports to date have maintained that Iraqi support for al Qaeda usually involved providing training, obtaining passports, and offers of refuge. This report adds to that list by including weapons and money. This assistance would make sense in the aftermath of 9-11.

Colin Powell, in his February 5, 2003, presentation to the U.N. Security Council, revealed the activities of Abu Musab al Zarqawi. Reporting in the memo expands on Powell's case and might help explain some of the resistance the U.S. military is currently facing in Iraq.


37. Sensitive reporting indicates senior terrorist planner and close al Qaeda associate al Zarqawi has had an operational alliance with Iraqi officials. As of Oct. 2002, al Zarqawi maintained contacts with the IIS to procure weapons and explosives, including surface-to-air missiles from an IIS officer in Baghdad. According to sensitive reporting, al Zarqawi was setting up sleeper cells in Baghdad to be activated in case of a U.S. occupation of the city, suggesting his operational cooperation with the Iraqis may have deepened in recent months. Such cooperation could include IIS provision of a secure operating bases [sic] and steady access to arms and explosives in preparation for a possible U.S. invasion. Al Zarqawi's procurements from the Iraqis also could support al Qaeda operations against the U.S. or its allies elsewhere.

38. According to sensitive reporting, a contact with good access who does not have an established reporting record: An Iraqi intelligence service officer said that as of mid-March the IIS was providing weapons to al Qaeda members located in northern Iraq, including rocket propelled grenade (RPG)-18 launchers. According to IIS information, northern Iraq-based al Qaeda members believed that the U.S. intended to strike al Qaeda targets during an anticipated assault against Ansar al-Islam positions.

The memo further reported pre-war intelligence which "claimed that an Iraqi intelligence official, praising Ansar al-Islam, provided it with $100,000 and agreed to continue to give assistance

 

[CMike]

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The memo you posted does not support that claim.

It was not a CIA memo, it was a DoJ memo.



Nor does it support this statement you made.

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Interrogations of Zubaydah-again, once enhanced techniques were empfoyedfurnished
detailed information regarding a( Qaeda's "organizational structure, key operatives,
and modus operandi" and identified KSM as the mastermind of tile September 11 attacks. See
Briefing Notes at 4. You have informed us that Zubaydah also "provided significant infonnation on two operatives, [including] Jose Padilla-[,] who planned to build and detonate a 'dirty bomb in Wasbington DC area."

This is from page 10 too, the formatting is kind of messed up.


With these caveats, we tum to specific examples that you have provided to us. You have
informed us that the interrogation ofKSM.....-,Ql1ce enhanced techniques were employed-led to
the discovery of a KSM piot, the "Second Wave," "to use East Asian operatives to crash a
hijacked airliner into" a building in Los Angeles. Fjfectiveness Memo at 3, You have informed
us that information obtained from KSM also led to the capture ofRidl.ltil1 bin Isomudditl, better
known as Hambali, and the discovery of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member lemaah Islatniyah cell tasked with executing the "Second Wave," See/d. at 3-4; CIA Directorate ofJIltellige.l1ce, AlQa'ida's Ties to Other Key Terror Grotlps: Terrorists Links in a Chain 2 (Aug. 28, 2003), More specifically, we understand that KSM admitted that he bad . " a
of money to an a1 Qaeda associate. See Fax fro
C1 Counterterrorist Center, Briefing Notes on the e Reporting at 1
15,2005) ("Briefing Notes'). Khan subsequently identified the associate (Zubair), who
was thcncaptured. Zubair, in turn, provided jnformation that led to the arrest ofHambali. See
id The information acquired from these captures allm'lcd CIA interroggators to pose more
specific questions to KSlvf, which led the CIA Hambali's brother, al-HadL Using information
obtained from multiple sources, al-Hadi "vas captured, and he subsequently identified the Guraba
cd!. See id at 1 With the aid oftbis additional information, interrogations ofHambali
confirmed much of what was learned from KSM

Does everything have to be spelled out?

----attacking buildings by flying planes into them didn't remain a viable al-Qaida strategy even through Sept. 11, 2001. Thanks to cell phones, passengers on United Flight 93 were able to learn that al-Qaida was using planes as missiles and crashed the plane before it could hit its target. There was no way future passengers on any flight would let a terrorist who killed the pilot and took the controls fly wherever he pleased.

And this person's opinion is relevant because?

 

[rdean]

Saddam did have ties with Al Qaida that went back a decade.

Saddam killed members of his own family to stay in power. He would never let a mad cleric into his country to threaten his regime.

AND

Bin Laden tried to put together a coalition to force Saddam out of Kuwait. After that they would be "friends and allies"?

Are you stuck on "stupid"? Seriously, have you been eating "batshit"?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Testimony of CIA Director Tenet in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee



Levin: And relative to Iraq, a couple other questions: Do we--do you have any evidence that Saddam Hussein or his agents played a role in the September 11th terrorist attacks or that he has links to al Qaeda?


Tenet: Well, as I note in my statement, there is no doubt that there have been contacts and linkages to the al Qaeda organization. As to where we are in September 11th, the jury's out. And as I said carefully in my statement, it would be a mistake to dismiss the possibility of state sponsorship, whether Iranian or Iraqi, and we'll see where the evidence takes us. But I want you to think about al Qaeda as a front company that mixes and matches its capabilities. The distinctions between Sunni and Shia that have traditionally divided terrorist groups are not distinctions you should make anymore, because there is a common interest against the United States and its allies in this region, and they will seek capability wherever they can get it.

You have to post your links with this, otherwise the mods will make you remove the post.

By the way, when was the date on this? It's been said by many people (outside of the Texas Mafia), that there was no AQ connection, no WMD's, and we shouldn't have gone after Saddam.

That's one of the reasons Colin Powell left Bush Jr. He didn't want to be used again to support lies to the American people.

Seedy Mike, you're weapons grade stupid.

 

[rdean]

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http://luxmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o10/clients/aclu/olc_05302005_bradbury.pdf

Interrogations of Zubaydah-again, once enhanced techniques were empfoyedfurnished
detailed information regarding a( Qaeda's "organizational structure, key operatives,
and modus operandi" and identified KSM as the mastermind of tile September 11 attacks. See
Briefing Notes at 4. You have informed us that Zubaydah also "provided significant infonnation on two operatives, [including] Jose Padilla-[,] who planned to build and detonate a 'dirty bomb in Wasbington DC area."

This is from page 10 too, the formatting is kind of messed up.


With these caveats, we tum to specific examples that you have provided to us. You have
informed us that the interrogation ofKSM.....-,Ql1ce enhanced techniques were employed-led to
the discovery of a KSM piot, the "Second Wave," "to use East Asian operatives to crash a
hijacked airliner into" a building in Los Angeles. Fjfectiveness Memo at 3, You have informed
us that information obtained from KSM also led to the capture ofRidl.ltil1 bin Isomudditl, better
known as Hambali, and the discovery of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member lemaah Islatniyah cell tasked with executing the "Second Wave," See/d. at 3-4; CIA Directorate ofJIltellige.l1ce, AlQa'ida's Ties to Other Key Terror Grotlps: Terrorists Links in a Chain 2 (Aug. 28, 2003), More specifically, we understand that KSM admitted that he bad . " a
of money to an a1 Qaeda associate. See Fax fro
C1 Counterterrorist Center, Briefing Notes on the e Reporting at 1
15,2005) ("Briefing Notes'). Khan subsequently identified the associate (Zubair), who
was thcncaptured. Zubair, in turn, provided jnformation that led to the arrest ofHambali. See
id The information acquired from these captures allm'lcd CIA interroggators to pose more
specific questions to KSlvf, which led the CIA Hambali's brother, al-HadL Using information
obtained from multiple sources, al-Hadi "vas captured, and he subsequently identified the Guraba
cd!. See id at 1 With the aid oftbis additional information, interrogations ofHambali
confirmed much of what was learned from KSM

Does everything have to be spelled out?

----attacking buildings by flying planes into them didn't remain a viable al-Qaida strategy even through Sept. 11, 2001. Thanks to cell phones, passengers on United Flight 93 were able to learn that al-Qaida was using planes as missiles and crashed the plane before it could hit its target. There was no way future passengers on any flight would let a terrorist who killed the pilot and took the controls fly wherever he pleased.

And this person's opinion is relevant because?

Opinion? It's obvious. Richard Reid. The Pantie bomber. The days of taking over a jetliner with box cutters is over. Passengers won't let it happen. Duh?

 

[CMike]

CIA director's opinion -- authoritative

Undersecretary of department of defense's opinion -- authoritative

Slate Opinion writer's opinion - less than worthless

 

[CMike]

Saddam did have ties with Al Qaida that went back a decade.

Saddam killed members of his own family to stay in power. He would never let a mad cleric into his country to threaten his regime.

AND

Bin Laden tried to put together a coalition to force Saddam out of Kuwait. After that they would be "friends and allies"?

Are you stuck on "stupid"? Seriously, have you been eating "batshit"?

That's your opinion. You are entitled to it, no matter how stupid it may be.

 

[CMike]

Testimony of CIA Director Tenet in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee



Levin: And relative to Iraq, a couple other questions: Do we--do you have any evidence that Saddam Hussein or his agents played a role in the September 11th terrorist attacks or that he has links to al Qaeda?


Tenet: Well, as I note in my statement, there is no doubt that there have been contacts and linkages to the al Qaeda organization. As to where we are in September 11th, the jury's out. And as I said carefully in my statement, it would be a mistake to dismiss the possibility of state sponsorship, whether Iranian or Iraqi, and we'll see where the evidence takes us. But I want you to think about al Qaeda as a front company that mixes and matches its capabilities. The distinctions between Sunni and Shia that have traditionally divided terrorist groups are not distinctions you should make anymore, because there is a common interest against the United States and its allies in this region, and they will seek capability wherever they can get it.

You have to post your links with this, otherwise the mods will make you remove the post.

By the way, when was the date on this? It's been said by many people (outside of the Texas Mafia), that there was no AQ connection, no WMD's, and we shouldn't have gone after Saddam.

That's one of the reasons Colin Powell left Bush Jr. He didn't want to be used again to support lies to the American people.

Seedy Mike, you're weapons grade stupid.

These aren't opinion articles. This is the verbatim testimony of the Senate Select Committe. It's public information.

Yes, the left wing bloggers and other ignorant idiots have different opinions. However, their opinions have nothing to do with reality.