Rove "Proud" US Tortured Detainees

[ABikerSailor]

Yeah.....right........just like Karl Rove didn't leak Plame's name.

Sure........I'll believe it when it's verified by someone OUTSIDE the Bush admin. The fuckers lied to us for 8 years, as well as are STILL lying.

And, mark my words, I'm betting that those lies are going to be exposed by next year for the frauds they were.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Oh yeah......like politicians aren't interested in saving their own butts........

Have you seen Blago lately? Fucker is terminal stupid and digging deeper. Sure.......politicians tell us the truth all the time.

Got some beachfront here in the Panhandle if you're interested.........

 

[US Army Retired]

Waterboarding is not torture. Sorry. It just scares the fuck out of the jihadi's and they spill their guts.

The US prosecuted Japanese for using water boarding.

I am Ok with that. They beheaded our soldiers.

 

[CMike]

Yeah.....right........just like Karl Rove didn't leak Plame's name.

Sure........I'll believe it when it's verified by someone OUTSIDE the Bush admin. The fuckers lied to us for 8 years, as well as are STILL lying.

And, mark my words, I'm betting that those lies are going to be exposed by next year for the frauds they were.

The lied because your left wing leaders told you so?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkzV5AIK8iM]YouTube - Funniest Movie Line Ever[/ame]

There is reality and then is what the left wingers tell their minions.

 

[Chris]

YouTube - Shepherd Smith drops F-bomb during Freedom Watch: We do not F%$&ing torture!!!

God bless Shepherd Smith for this one.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Yeah.....right........just like Karl Rove didn't leak Plame's name.

Sure........I'll believe it when it's verified by someone OUTSIDE the Bush admin. The fuckers lied to us for 8 years, as well as are STILL lying.

And, mark my words, I'm betting that those lies are going to be exposed by next year for the frauds they were.

The lied because your left wing leaders told you so?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkzV5AIK8iM]YouTube - Funniest Movie Line Ever[/ame]

There is reality and then is what the left wingers tell their minions.

No, actually......it was Congress and this administration that told me they lied.

Leaving the cost of the Iraq war off the budget and then having RumsFAILED tell everyone that we're gonna pay for the war by the savings in oil costs?

Bullshit.

And......that little WMD thing, as well as Saddam's NONEXISTENT connection to AQ, well, that should be enough to start you off.

And.........it's everyone that has said this over the past year.

 

[HUGGY]

Waterboarding is not torture. Sorry. It just scares the fuck out of the jihadi's and they spill their guts.

The US prosecuted Japanese for using water boarding.

I am Ok with that. They beheaded our soldiers.

When you say "they"... Who is they? How many people does it take to behead someone?
How many US Soldiers got beheaded anyway?

How many get shot or blown up trying to kill beheaders? Are you any more dead from a beheading than shot or blowed up?

 

[George Costanza]

I often say the same thing about people on the left. They let their idealogy get in the way of my freedom and I can't have my humanity without that because it is my freedom that allows me to explore what that is through various religious doctrines. My freedom allows me to decide what my humanity is but the left has their humanity and demands everyone be a part of it even it is against their own choice and that is not freedom.

You mean like when the Left pushes for anti-abortion laws, thereby letting their ideology get in the way of a woman's freedom?

 

[CMike]

Yeah.....right........just like Karl Rove didn't leak Plame's name.

Sure........I'll believe it when it's verified by someone OUTSIDE the Bush admin. The fuckers lied to us for 8 years, as well as are STILL lying.

And, mark my words, I'm betting that those lies are going to be exposed by next year for the frauds they were.

The lied because your left wing leaders told you so?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkzV5AIK8iM]YouTube - Funniest Movie Line Ever[/ame]

There is reality and then is what the left wingers tell their minions.

No, actually......it was Congress and this administration that told me they lied.

Leaving the cost of the Iraq war off the budget and then having RumsFAILED tell everyone that we're gonna pay for the war by the savings in oil costs?

Bullshit.

And......that little WMD thing, as well as Saddam's NONEXISTENT connection to AQ, well, that should be enough to start you off.

And.........it's everyone that has said this over the past year.

Prove that they lied.

 

[Wicked Jester]

The lied because your left wing leaders told you so?

YouTube - Funniest Movie Line Ever

There is reality and then is what the left wingers tell their minions.

No, actually......it was Congress and this administration that told me they lied.

Leaving the cost of the Iraq war off the budget and then having RumsFAILED tell everyone that we're gonna pay for the war by the savings in oil costs?

Bullshit.

And......that little WMD thing, as well as Saddam's NONEXISTENT connection to AQ, well, that should be enough to start you off.

And.........it's everyone that has said this over the past year.

Prove that they lied.

They can't!

 

[kyzr]

I am Ok with that. They beheaded our soldiers.

When you say "they"... Who is they? How many people does it take to behead someone?
How many US Soldiers got beheaded anyway?

How many get shot or blown up trying to kill beheaders? Are you any more dead from a beheading than shot or blowed up?

Stop deflecting.

If "they" (aka the SNs) behead US prisoners (aka 3 US marines) the MSM and the commie leftists should stop whining if we waterboard (aka pour water on) AQ senior planners who bragged about their mass murders, and bragged about the future mass murders.

Its a war. If the SNs behead their US prisoners, its only fair that we can pour water on SN prisoners. By comparison, AQ does more severe "torture" than the US does to AQ prisoners. We actually are going to let the MFs walk into and out of US courts. That is much less severe than the 3 marines who were beheaded.

 

[HUGGY]

I am Ok with that. They beheaded our soldiers.

When you say "they"... Who is they? How many people does it take to behead someone?
How many US Soldiers got beheaded anyway?

How many get shot or blown up trying to kill beheaders? Are you any more dead from a beheading than shot or blowed up?

Stop deflecting.

If "they" (aka the SNs) behead US prisoners (aka 3 US marines) the MSM and the commie leftists should stop whining if we waterboard (aka pour water on) AQ senior planners who bragged about their mass murders, and bragged about the future mass murders.

Its a war. If the SNs behead their US prisoners, its only fair that we can pour water on SN prisoners. By comparison, AQ does more severe "torture" than the US does to AQ prisoners. We actually are going to let the MFs walk into and out of US courts. That is much less severe than the 3 marines who were beheaded.

If I was in the same position, at the mercy of an illegal invasion by a foreign nation and occupied, I would also do whatever it takes to rid my country of the invader. I don't care about beheadings. Phoney patriots like you do not respect the soverienty of others. Afgahnistan did not attack us. Iraq did not attack us. Your stupid knee jerk reaction to a criminal act albiet a spectacular one did not give us any moral high ground to do a drive by shooting blindly into the rest of the world. A wise man said somewhere that if you seek revenge...dig two graves.

This nation is largly populated by liars and cowards of which you get a twofer. We took this land by calling it a massacre if the native americans won a battle and a victory when we wiped out a native village including old men, women and children.

In short..piss on you and the chicken shit scum that claim we are apart from the savages. We are not. The blind use of our power and fancy weapons only make it more clear how sad and cowardly and unwise a culture we have become.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I am Ok with that. They beheaded our soldiers.

When you say "they"... Who is they? How many people does it take to behead someone?
How many US Soldiers got beheaded anyway?

How many get shot or blown up trying to kill beheaders? Are you any more dead from a beheading than shot or blowed up?

Stop deflecting.

If "they" (aka the SNs) behead US prisoners (aka 3 US marines) the MSM and the commie leftists should stop whining if we waterboard (aka pour water on) AQ senior planners who bragged about their mass murders, and bragged about the future mass murders.

Its a war. If the SNs behead their US prisoners, its only fair that we can pour water on SN prisoners. By comparison, AQ does more severe "torture" than the US does to AQ prisoners. We actually are going to let the MFs walk into and out of US courts. That is much less severe than the 3 marines who were beheaded.

It's apparent from your post that you've never served.

Probably never will either, as everything you just posted is against the Geneva Conventions.

 

[CMike]

Just read the declassified memo.

It's very detailed.

 

[bucs90]

Karl Rove “Proud” U.S. Tortured Detainees | The Moderate Voice

Posted by MICHAEL STICKINGS, Assistant Editor in Politics, War.
Mar 12th, 2010 | View Comments

Karl Rove says he is “proud we used techniques that broke the will of these terrorists… Yes, I’m proud that we kept the world safer than it was, by the use of these techniques. They’re appropriate, they’re in conformity with our international requirements and with US law.”

Of course, the U.S. did a lot of nasty things to its detainees, at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere, and a lot of what it did amounted to torture as defined by any decent human being.

What Rove was specifically focusing on, though, was waterboarding, which he does not consider torture. This is how they get around it. Bush repeatedly said the U.S. doesn’t torture, but it only doesn’t torture if you don’t consider waterboarding torture. It’s just a form of “enhanced interrogation,” a horrible euphemism.

But it is simply incorrect to assert that what the U.S. did conforms with “international requirements” (under the Geneva Conventions) and American law. Unless, of course, in this case, you define waterboarding down — that is, unless you lie about what waterboarding is.

Well, a lot has been written about waterboarding, including by some who have experienced it, but Mark Benjamin’s recent “Waterboarding for dummies” piece at Salon graphically exposed the brutal truth about waterboarding and the use thereof by U.S. interrogators. It’s a must-read, though a deeply disturbing one.

It’s hardly the harmless “dunk in the water” Cheney said it was:

Let me ask you this: Are we torturing our US military recruits when they go through specialized training? You know waterboarding is done to our recruits training to be SEALS, SpecOps, etc. I mean, they didn't even blow up a building, they just want to serve the country and they are being tortured. Are you going to DEMAND that type of training stop???????????

 

[bucs90]

HUGGY, I must say, I'm new here, but after reading a few of your posts, you are one brainwashed liberal SOB. God Bless the fine men and women of our military and police forces who keep our country safe DESPITE it being filled with people like you. And God Bless America for having a nation so safe, so tolerant and so diverse that people like you can walk around and spew those opinions freely. I'm sure any other nation in the world would be glad to have you as a citizen, but you chose America.

You say the "blind use" of our "fancy weapons"??? War sucks. And our weapons wouldn't be needed as often if not for "savages" like those that bombed Pearl Harbor, or initated Blitzkreig, or that bombed the WTC...twice, forcing us the retaliate. Our "fancy weapons" now enter the battlefield and MINIMALIZE civilian casualties. We lose troops on the ground because we are too humane to win the war outright. We could kill every scumbag jihadist in Iraq and Afghanistan within 2 months if we wanted, but it would kill many many innocent people so we don't.

But, let me ask you this. If those savages, the ones you say we are equal to, had access to OUR weapons, do you think THEY would hesitate to use nukes or chemical weapons on OUR innocent civilians? The USA is the most humane, charitable, tolerant nation on the planet. Where right wing gun lovers can coexist with far left whackos like you in peace at a Starbucks with no problems. Amazing country isn't it?

 

[Wicked Jester]

HUGGY, I must say, I'm new here, but after reading a few of your posts, you are one brainwashed liberal SOB. God Bless the fine men and women of our military and police forces who keep our country safe DESPITE it being filled with people like you. And God Bless America for having a nation so safe, so tolerant and so diverse that people like you can walk around and spew those opinions freely. I'm sure any other nation in the world would be glad to have you as a citizen, but you chose America.

You say the "blind use" of our "fancy weapons"??? War sucks. And our weapons wouldn't be needed as often if not for "savages" like those that bombed Pearl Harbor, or initated Blitzkreig, or that bombed the WTC...twice, forcing us the retaliate. Our "fancy weapons" now enter the battlefield and MINIMALIZE civilian casualties. We lose troops on the ground because we are too humane to win the war outright. We could kill every scumbag jihadist in Iraq and Afghanistan within 2 months if we wanted, but it would kill many many innocent people so we don't.

But, let me ask you this. If those savages, the ones you say we are equal to, had access to OUR weapons, do you think THEY would hesitate to use nukes or chemical weapons on OUR innocent civilians? The USA is the most humane, charitable, tolerant nation on the planet. Where right wing gun lovers can coexist with far left whackos like you in peace at a Starbucks with no problems. Amazing country isn't it?

What else should we expect from Buggy?

This is a man who claimed the dude who flew his plane into the IRS buliding, for no other reason then he didn't have the ability to manage his life and sought to place the blame on others for his abject failings, was a great thing. In fact, he hopes to see more people take similar actions towards our innocent population.

Buggy's a fucking whackjob to the core. Batshit fucking crazy!

 

[CMike]

Karl Rove “Proud” U.S. Tortured Detainees | The Moderate Voice

Posted by MICHAEL STICKINGS, Assistant Editor in Politics, War.
Mar 12th, 2010 | View Comments

Karl Rove says he is “proud we used techniques that broke the will of these terrorists… Yes, I’m proud that we kept the world safer than it was, by the use of these techniques. They’re appropriate, they’re in conformity with our international requirements and with US law.”

Of course, the U.S. did a lot of nasty things to its detainees, at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere, and a lot of what it did amounted to torture as defined by any decent human being.

What Rove was specifically focusing on, though, was waterboarding, which he does not consider torture. This is how they get around it. Bush repeatedly said the U.S. doesn’t torture, but it only doesn’t torture if you don’t consider waterboarding torture. It’s just a form of “enhanced interrogation,” a horrible euphemism.

But it is simply incorrect to assert that what the U.S. did conforms with “international requirements” (under the Geneva Conventions) and American law. Unless, of course, in this case, you define waterboarding down — that is, unless you lie about what waterboarding is.

Well, a lot has been written about waterboarding, including by some who have experienced it, but Mark Benjamin’s recent “Waterboarding for dummies” piece at Salon graphically exposed the brutal truth about waterboarding and the use thereof by U.S. interrogators. It’s a must-read, though a deeply disturbing one.

It’s hardly the harmless “dunk in the water” Cheney said it was:

Let me ask you this: Are we torturing our US military recruits when they go through specialized training? You know waterboarding is done to our recruits training to be SEALS, SpecOps, etc. I mean, they didn't even blow up a building, they just want to serve the country and they are being tortured. Are you going to DEMAND that type of training stop???????????

Not only that but the waterboarding done to the 3 arch terrorists was milder than done to to some of our people in training.

In training the subjects are:

• completely immersed in water
  
• The water temp is below 41 degrees F

On the terrorists

They were:

• splashed with water
  
• The water was never below 41 degrees F

 

[ABikerSailor]

HUGGY, I must say, I'm new here, but after reading a few of your posts, you are one brainwashed liberal SOB. God Bless the fine men and women of our military and police forces who keep our country safe DESPITE it being filled with people like you. And God Bless America for having a nation so safe, so tolerant and so diverse that people like you can walk around and spew those opinions freely. I'm sure any other nation in the world would be glad to have you as a citizen, but you chose America.

You say the "blind use" of our "fancy weapons"??? War sucks. And our weapons wouldn't be needed as often if not for "savages" like those that bombed Pearl Harbor, or initated Blitzkreig, or that bombed the WTC...twice, forcing us the retaliate. Our "fancy weapons" now enter the battlefield and MINIMALIZE civilian casualties. We lose troops on the ground because we are too humane to win the war outright. We could kill every scumbag jihadist in Iraq and Afghanistan within 2 months if we wanted, but it would kill many many innocent people so we don't.

But, let me ask you this. If those savages, the ones you say we are equal to, had access to OUR weapons, do you think THEY would hesitate to use nukes or chemical weapons on OUR innocent civilians? The USA is the most humane, charitable, tolerant nation on the planet. Where right wing gun lovers can coexist with far left whackos like you in peace at a Starbucks with no problems. Amazing country isn't it?

Hey.......you......the window licking mouth breather on the short bus.......yeah.......talking to you, the one with the propeller sticking outta their helmet.........listen up.

I'm one of those "freely spewing citizens". I earned my right by being born here. Also by serving 20 years in the Navy. Everyone has a right to say what they want, even retards like you.

"Savages that bombed Pearl Harbor"? Do you know anything about the Japanese or their culture? Got news for you, when compared to them, we're about 3,200 years behind, so, WE'RE the "savages".

By the way, didn't the European people who came over here and saw someone that lived different from them "savages" also? Seems that, along with the fact we stole their land and raped it makes the Europeans the "savages".

By the way, the WTC wasn't "bombed", 2 commercial jets were flown into each of the towers.

By the way, you seem to know a lot about the military (not), wanna explain EXACTLY what weapons would get rid of the Taliban in 2 months?

No nukes by the way.........they cause too much damage. Trust me, I was an NBC warfare expert for 18 years.

By the way........after looking at the way we treated the Native Americans, the slaves, the women (remember sufferage rights?), as well as anyone who isn't in a set cookie cutter image that you've currently got going through your mind, wanna explain how tolerant and charitable we are again?

You're a n00b cum dumpster for the GOP. Take your false umbrage and form it into a nice big thick cylinder, and go fuck yourself with it.

You're one of the stupid one's aren't you? What did you do as a child, eat lead paint chips?

 

[bucs90]

HUGGY, I must say, I'm new here, but after reading a few of your posts, you are one brainwashed liberal SOB. God Bless the fine men and women of our military and police forces who keep our country safe DESPITE it being filled with people like you. And God Bless America for having a nation so safe, so tolerant and so diverse that people like you can walk around and spew those opinions freely. I'm sure any other nation in the world would be glad to have you as a citizen, but you chose America.

You say the "blind use" of our "fancy weapons"??? War sucks. And our weapons wouldn't be needed as often if not for "savages" like those that bombed Pearl Harbor, or initated Blitzkreig, or that bombed the WTC...twice, forcing us the retaliate. Our "fancy weapons" now enter the battlefield and MINIMALIZE civilian casualties. We lose troops on the ground because we are too humane to win the war outright. We could kill every scumbag jihadist in Iraq and Afghanistan within 2 months if we wanted, but it would kill many many innocent people so we don't.

But, let me ask you this. If those savages, the ones you say we are equal to, had access to OUR weapons, do you think THEY would hesitate to use nukes or chemical weapons on OUR innocent civilians? The USA is the most humane, charitable, tolerant nation on the planet. Where right wing gun lovers can coexist with far left whackos like you in peace at a Starbucks with no problems. Amazing country isn't it?

Hey.......you......the window licking mouth breather on the short bus.......yeah.......talking to you, the one with the propeller sticking outta their helmet.........listen up.

I'm one of those "freely spewing citizens". I earned my right by being born here. Also by serving 20 years in the Navy. Everyone has a right to say what they want, even retards like you.

"Savages that bombed Pearl Harbor"? Do you know anything about the Japanese or their culture? Got news for you, when compared to them, we're about 3,200 years behind, so, WE'RE the "savages".

By the way, didn't the European people who came over here and saw someone that lived different from them "savages" also? Seems that, along with the fact we stole their land and raped it makes the Europeans the "savages".

By the way, the WTC wasn't "bombed", 2 commercial jets were flown into each of the towers.

By the way, you seem to know a lot about the military (not), wanna explain EXACTLY what weapons would get rid of the Taliban in 2 months?

No nukes by the way.........they cause too much damage. Trust me, I was an NBC warfare expert for 18 years.

By the way........after looking at the way we treated the Native Americans, the slaves, the women (remember sufferage rights?), as well as anyone who isn't in a set cookie cutter image that you've currently got going through your mind, wanna explain how tolerant and charitable we are again?

You're a n00b cum dumpster for the GOP. Take your false umbrage and form it into a nice big thick cylinder, and go fuck yourself with it.

You're one of the stupid one's aren't you? What did you do as a child, eat lead paint chips?

Hmmm....well, I see which side has the intellectual ability to debate, and which side has the ability to get angry and just curse and drop blanket name calling.

See, unlike most on the left, many of us have progressed far past racial politics. You are still obsessed with what white Europeans did to Indians. It's over. You are no different than a few people in the South who still can't give up the Civil War.

How tolerant and charitable are we? Well, numbers don't lie. America is the most charitable nation on Earth. Thats just a fact. We're the richest also, so we should be most charitable, and we are. Tolerant? Lets see. We have every race, religion and ethnicity in the world living within our borders, along with very lenient gun laws that allows our country to be heavily armed, yet, our rate of violence is relatively low. 99.5% of our land is safe to walk freely. We have drastic changes in power, without violence. We allow open marching of the KKK, gay pride parades, black panthers, and every other group imaginable, yet, not much violence. We tolerate just about any behavior and DO tolerate any and all groups who do not harm others.