Ron Paul Wins CPAC Straw Poll

[Paulie]

In a room full of neocons and conservatives, he won the poll.

That's says A LOT.

Like he did last year. Again, he has won straw polls in the past but they never translate to anything.

I would be surprised if Ron Paul even runs in 2012 to be honest with you. Ron Paul is going to be 77 in 2012. That's about 6 years younger than McCain when he ran in 2008. That's as old as Reagan was when he left in office. As we've seen with prior Presidents, the job ages you fairly quickly. Whoever he picks as a VP will be just as important if he does win the GOP nomination.

He's more likely to run for the senate seat in Texas in my opinion.

He doesn't run expecting to actually win. He runs to open people's eyes up to the bullshit, and he did a pretty damn good job of that in his last campaign.

 

[Paulie]

This time around though, with so many people now on board with his ideas, he'll be sure to get more than a measly average 5 or 6% or whatever it was.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him come in 3rd.

 

[Modbert]

He doesn't run expecting to actually win. He runs to open people's eyes up to the bullshit, and he did a pretty damn good job of that in his last campaign.

Well we're discussing his realistic chances to win I thought, not opening people's eyes. It is good to see if he can do that next time around as well. I still do believe the future GOP candidate to throw weight behind is Gary Johnson.

 

[Modbert]

This time around though, with so many people now on board with his ideas, he'll be sure to get more than a measly average 5 or 6% or whatever it was.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him come in 3rd.

He came in 4th last time with 1.5% of the delegates. In a race with Romney, Huckabee, Palin, and others he may end up in the same spot. 3rd place certainly isn't out of reach though.

 

[Paulie]

He doesn't run expecting to actually win. He runs to open people's eyes up to the bullshit, and he did a pretty damn good job of that in his last campaign.

Well we're discussing his realistic chances to win I thought, not opening people's eyes. It is good to see if he can do that next time around as well. I still do believe the future GOP candidate to throw weight behind is Gary Johnson.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love nothing more than to say President Paul. But he has always said himself that he would never win. I thought he might for a brief time back then, with all the donation records he was setting and the MSM time he was getting. Ironically though, it was probably the MSM that took the wind out of his sails.

I do like Gary Johnson a lot, but you and I both know there are things that will be used against him by the MSM to sabotage his chances. REAL politicians don't stand a chance in this country until the sheep wake the fuck up.

 

[whitehall]

Time for the neocons and social nannies to GTFO and give way to the old school.

WASHINGTON – Texas congressman Ron Paul won the straw poll at the Conservative Political Action Conference for the second straight year Saturday and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney finished second.

Paul wins conservatives' straw poll - Yahoo! News

Maybe it's time for oddball neosocialists to stop using the term neocons and maybe worry about THE NEXT TWO YEARS of Obamanism instead of speculating on republican candidates.

 

[Paulie]

This time around though, with so many people now on board with his ideas, he'll be sure to get more than a measly average 5 or 6% or whatever it was.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him come in 3rd.

He came in 4th last time with 1.5% of the delegates. In a race with Romney, Huckabee, Palin, and others he may end up in the same spot. 3rd place certainly isn't out of reach though.

I actually didn't know the delegate totals for him, I was just talking about state primary vote percentages.

If Romney, Palin, and Newt run, Paul will end up 4th.

I doubt Palin runs though.

 

[Modbert]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love nothing more than to say President Paul. But he has always said himself that he would never win. I thought he might for a brief time back then, with all the donation records he was setting and the MSM time he was getting. Ironically though, it was probably the MSM that took the wind out of his sails.

I do like Gary Johnson a lot, but you and I both know there are things that will be used against him by the MSM to sabotage his chances. REAL politicians don't stand a chance in this country until the sheep wake the fuck up.

Of course there are things that will be used against him. I would somewhat disagree with the last sentence in your post only because he was a two-time governor of New Mexico. So it's not like real politicians are completely out of the running. But I understand the point you were trying to make and I agree with it.

I figure the fact he's a pot supporting Atheist running in the GOP primary would be enough to sabotage his chances.

 

[Paulie]

I forgot Huckabee there too, but somehow I doubt he will run either. He got his TV gig now out of his campaign, and the return on investment there was probably well worth it.

I guess there's others like Pawlenty and Ryan who would throw a wrench in things, but that's ONLY because they're MSM darlings. Otherwise they both suck asshole in terms of conservatism.

 

[Paulie]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love nothing more than to say President Paul. But he has always said himself that he would never win. I thought he might for a brief time back then, with all the donation records he was setting and the MSM time he was getting. Ironically though, it was probably the MSM that took the wind out of his sails.

I do like Gary Johnson a lot, but you and I both know there are things that will be used against him by the MSM to sabotage his chances. REAL politicians don't stand a chance in this country until the sheep wake the fuck up.

Of course there are things that will be used against him. I would somewhat disagree with the last sentence in your post only because he was a two-time governor of New Mexico. So it's not like real politicians are completely out of the running. But I understand the point you were trying to make and I agree with it.

I figure the fact he's a pot supporting Atheist running in the GOP primary would be enough to sabotage his chances.

Out of the tens of millions that will vote in the primaries, practically NO ONE will know about the pot supporting atheism until the MSM tells them all about it every chance they get.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Time for the neocons and social nannies to GTFO and give way to the old school.

WASHINGTON – Texas congressman Ron Paul won the straw poll at the Conservative Political Action Conference for the second straight year Saturday and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney finished second.

Paul wins conservatives' straw poll - Yahoo! News

Here we are again ,I remember the debates and nothing has been solved. He still has the answers and he is still the enemy of the state.
They will try anything but what works.

 

[Paulie]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love nothing more than to say President Paul. But he has always said himself that he would never win. I thought he might for a brief time back then, with all the donation records he was setting and the MSM time he was getting. Ironically though, it was probably the MSM that took the wind out of his sails.

I do like Gary Johnson a lot, but you and I both know there are things that will be used against him by the MSM to sabotage his chances. REAL politicians don't stand a chance in this country until the sheep wake the fuck up.

Of course there are things that will be used against him. I would somewhat disagree with the last sentence in your post only because he was a two-time governor of New Mexico. So it's not like real politicians are completely out of the running. But I understand the point you were trying to make and I agree with it.

I figure the fact he's a pot supporting Atheist running in the GOP primary would be enough to sabotage his chances.

Out of the tens of millions that will vote in the primaries, practically NO ONE will know about the pot supporting atheism until the MSM tells them all about it every chance they get.

The kicker here, and this is the part that you just can't ignore, is that if the MSM ignored the pot supporting atheism and instead focused on how successful his conservative record is, he might very well have a real chance of winning.

It all comes down to who the dummies on the tube tell you who to vote for.

 

[Modbert]

Out of the tens of millions that will vote in the primaries, practically NO ONE will know about the pot supporting atheism until the MSM tells them all about it every chance they get.

And yet his Atheism shouldn't even be a issue in general. As much as the MSM will do it's thing, it rests on the people to vote.

Some Americans Reluctant to Vote for Mormon, 72-Year-Old Presidential Candidates

As of 2007, 53% of Americans would not vote for someone on the basis alone that they are an Atheist. Only 29% of people who consider themselves "Conservative" would vote for an Atheist.

If his religion (or lack thereof) won't kill his chances, his thoughts on Immigration will:

The most interesting Republican you've never heard of - 2012 Elections - Salon.com

On other issues, Johnson doesn't bother to hide his disdain for his party's hard-liners. Take the incendiary new immigration law passed in Arizona, for instance:

"I just don't think it's going to work," he says. "I think it' s going to lead to racial profiling. I don't how you determine one individual from another -- is it color of skin? -- as to whether one is an American citizen or the other is an illegal immigrant."

Johnson favors an expansive guest worker program and is uncomfortable with the idea of mass deportations. What about the idea of increasing security by means of a border wall?

"I have never been supportive of the wall," he replied. "A 10-foot wall [just] requires an 11-foot ladder."

And:

He went to a Tea Party event in South Carolina a couple of weeks ago, he says, and was impressed when one attendee gave him a handout that claimed to identify the movement's top 10 priorities.

"Basically, one through 10, it had to do with the economy and spending and taxes. And I thought, 'This is who I am! This is what I care about!'"

Then he adds: "There was a lot of fringe there."

What does he mean by "fringe"?

"My son had a conversation with somebody who was a birther, [who] described 'birther' to my son. Well, I didn't have that conversation, but --"

Johnson stops abruptly. A full six seconds of silence ensue. Would he like to complete the thought?

"Well, just to get to hear that ... To me, it's just hard to grasp," he says, a little sadly.

And if that won't do it:

Ask Johnson what he thinks of Barack Obama, for instance, and rather than the stream of vitriol that might issue semi-automatically from the lips of some party colleagues, he answers: "You can't help but like him."

Obama, he says, "touched" him with his rhetoric during the 2008 campaign, though he adds that the president has proven disappointing and disingenuous since then.

 

[L.K.Eder]

ron paul for president!

he will save you. have hope and gather change!

 

[Paulie]

ron paul for president!

he will save you. have hope and gather change!

His first act as president will be to immediately install ubuntu throughout the government network.

 

[L.K.Eder]

ron paul for president!

he will save you. have hope and gather change!

His first act as president will be to immediately install ubuntu throughout the government network.

he has my vote.

 

[Toro]

The same CPAC that was filled with Neocon and Social Nannie speakers?

The Republicans' CPAC Misfire - The Daily Beast

But the activists gathered this week in Washington for the annual Conservative Political Action Committee conference must not have gotten the memo about honing their strategy, or more likely, they can't help themselves now that they're back in power in the House. Cutting spending is hard, especially when the defense budget and Social Security and Medicare are deemed off-limits, because that's where the real money is. It's so much easier to rail against gay marriage and liberal elites wanting to take guns away and drive God out of public life.

There was a lot of talk at CPAC about American exceptionalism, and how the elites in Washington, Manhattan, and San Francisco don't believe in it, and how President Obama doesn't command respect in the world the way that, say, Ronald Reagan did. Every speaker paid homage to Reagan; on whatever the subject, and sometimes despite the facts, Reagan is the benchmark for success. But when you translate the American specialness conservatives cite into policy, the results can be disquieting. It apparently means more God, with one display inquiring, "Why are you a conservative?" The most succinct response, "Because God is." It means cracking down on immigration, conveniently forgetting that President Reagan signed an amnesty bill, and of course repealing Obama's health-care law, which Iowa Republican Steve King calls a cancer tumor that must be pulled out by its roots and eradicated before it metastasizes.

Ilario Pantano, a former Marine and a fiery speaker, said that America is a Christian nation, and that's being denied because we have to be tolerant of everybody else's worldview. "It's time to start offending and start talking about God's truth," he declared, concluding to thunderous applause, "The ultimate founding document is the Bible."

The hearts of many CPAC activists seem to be with the social issues, and among the speakers, former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum is the embodiment of those issues. Santorum, who is running for president, implored the CPAC audience to join with him in an army anyone can join, one in which they don't need a uniform. After his remarks a questioner asked, "We're all ready to fight, but how do we know when we've won?"

While it would be nice if the GOP was moving away from being run by Neocons and Social Conservatives, it doesn't seem to be happening. Ron Paul has won straw polls in the past, and while it's nice, it never does translate to anything. I rather see the GOP nominate Gary Johnson anyway.

These are the issues that will matter in 2012:

Economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy ...

Talking about abortion, gay marriage, gun rights and God will not be a winning formula in the next election.

 

[L.K.Eder]

The same CPAC that was filled with Neocon and Social Nannie speakers?

The Republicans' CPAC Misfire - The Daily Beast

But the activists gathered this week in Washington for the annual Conservative Political Action Committee conference must not have gotten the memo about honing their strategy, or more likely, they can't help themselves now that they're back in power in the House. Cutting spending is hard, especially when the defense budget and Social Security and Medicare are deemed off-limits, because that's where the real money is. It's so much easier to rail against gay marriage and liberal elites wanting to take guns away and drive God out of public life.

The hearts of many CPAC activists seem to be with the social issues, and among the speakers, former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum is the embodiment of those issues. Santorum, who is running for president, implored the CPAC audience to join with him in an army anyone can join, one in which they don't need a uniform. After his remarks a questioner asked, "We're all ready to fight, but how do we know when we've won?"

While it would be nice if the GOP was moving away from being run by Neocons and Social Conservatives, it doesn't seem to be happening. Ron Paul has won straw polls in the past, and while it's nice, it never does translate to anything. I rather see the GOP nominate Gary Johnson anyway.

These are the issues that will matter in 2012:

Economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy ...

Talking about abortion, gay marriage, gun rights and God will not be a winning formula in the next election.

you are wasting ascii. you will not have my vote.

 

[Paulie]

The same CPAC that was filled with Neocon and Social Nannie speakers?

The Republicans' CPAC Misfire - The Daily Beast

But the activists gathered this week in Washington for the annual Conservative Political Action Committee conference must not have gotten the memo about honing their strategy, or more likely, they can't help themselves now that they're back in power in the House. Cutting spending is hard, especially when the defense budget and Social Security and Medicare are deemed off-limits, because that's where the real money is. It's so much easier to rail against gay marriage and liberal elites wanting to take guns away and drive God out of public life.

The hearts of many CPAC activists seem to be with the social issues, and among the speakers, former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum is the embodiment of those issues. Santorum, who is running for president, implored the CPAC audience to join with him in an army anyone can join, one in which they don't need a uniform. After his remarks a questioner asked, "We're all ready to fight, but how do we know when we've won?"

While it would be nice if the GOP was moving away from being run by Neocons and Social Conservatives, it doesn't seem to be happening. Ron Paul has won straw polls in the past, and while it's nice, it never does translate to anything. I rather see the GOP nominate Gary Johnson anyway.

These are the issues that will matter in 2012:

Economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy, economy ...

Talking about abortion, gay marriage, gun rights and God will not be a winning formula in the next election.

Well Paul has the upper hand there, because out of ANY of his challengers, he's the only one that can speak on the subject and sound like he knows what the hell he's talking about.

 

[Oddball]

ron paul for president!

he will save you. have hope and gather change!

His first act as president will be to immediately install ubuntu throughout the government network.

iiYES!!