Ridiculously low fuel taxes.

[peach174]

Well, we get paid if we bicycle to the job. That could be something for the US to improve peoples health. Why not bicycle to the job instead?

That would be fun. Riding a bicycle on I-95 in the rush hour.

Brilliant fucking idea.

Imbecile.

Yes, I can't see myself riding on I-10 to Tucson on a bike 50 miles there and 50 miles back everyday.
Riding my bike 100 miles (160.934 km) everyday to go to work. No I don't think so.

 

[Moonglow]

Petrol
We pay about 50 c/L in Indonesia.
About $1 for the better quality but non subsidised.

How does that compare?

Bloody envious.

 

[Moonglow]

Well, we get paid if we bicycle to the job. That could be something for the US to improve peoples health. Why not bicycle to the job instead?

That would be fun. Riding a bicycle on I-95 in the rush hour.

Brilliant fucking idea.

Imbecile.

People do not understand that our road sytem is set up for autos.

 

[Big Fitz]

Why not increase the fuel taxes to pay for infrastructure and to improve state finances. The gasoline prices in USA are ridicoulously low. In UK and Germany they pay more in taxes pr. gallon than a gallon of gas in USA included fuel taxes.

All this talk about taxing the rich, why not put a 3$/gallon tax on gasoline instead? Is it really a need to have such low taxes on gasoline when USA is a net-importer of oil?

Increase the federal gasoline tax by $1 per gallon: The current federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per gallon, but the commission proposes to increase the federal gas tax, gradually and beginning in 2013, so that in 2020, it would be $1.18 cents per gallon. This would not only generate significant revenue but also reduce consumption of gas, reduce carbon emissions, and provide an incentive to automakers to increase the fuel efficiency of their vehicles. Projected revenue in 2020: $130 billion

By just increasing the fuel tax by 1$ the federal budget can have a revenue 130$ billon by 2020.

Why? Because it is a regressive tax that harms the most needy in society. This may be acceptable for a nation smaller than Kentucky with the population barely that of Iowa, but will not work for a nation 100 times that size with a diverse and dispersed population center that prides itself on having individual freedom of movement.

Ever here the expression "Out where the buses don't run"? Well that covers almost half the population of this nation, And 90% of it's land area. Not everyone here's packed in and able to bike to and from work like Copenhagen, Oslo, Trondheim or Stockholm.

You europeans don't realize that for a large portion of America, driving over 250 miles in a day, and in some places one way, for any civilization is not uncommon. What you suggest is both onerous and antithetical to the American way of life.

Visit sometime outside of a big city and learn this.

 

[Euro]

Well, we get paid if we bicycle to the job. That could be something for the US to improve peoples health. Why not bicycle to the job instead?

That would be fun. Riding a bicycle on I-95 in the rush hour.

Brilliant fucking idea.

Imbecile.

Yes, I can't see myself riding on I-10 to Tucson on a bike 50 miles there and 50 miles back everyday.
Riding my bike 100 miles (160.934 km) everyday to go to work. No I don't think so.

Here we have trains that goes much faster than your car. If you live 50 miles away from your job, you could bicycle to the nearest train station and take the train.Its more relaxing to take the train, taking a coffee or reading your newspaper than stressing on the freeway. You could also drive to the train station, we have huge parking spaces around the train stations so people can park and take the train which is much faster and much more comfortable.

 

[Warrior102]

Here we have trains that goes much faster than your car. If you live 50 miles away from your job, you could bicycle to the nearest train station and take the train.Its more relaxing to take the train, taking a coffee or reading your newspaper than stressing on the freeway. You could also drive to the train station, we have huge parking spaces around the train stations so people can park and take the train which is much faster and much more comfortable.

I don't want to ride in a train with a bunch of smelly Europeans. When you idiots have mastered deodorant, give me a ring.

 

[Big Fitz]

That would be fun. Riding a bicycle on I-95 in the rush hour.

Brilliant fucking idea.

Imbecile.

Yes, I can't see myself riding on I-10 to Tucson on a bike 50 miles there and 50 miles back everyday.
Riding my bike 100 miles (160.934 km) everyday to go to work. No I don't think so.

Here we have trains that goes much faster than your car. If you live 50 miles away from your job, you could bicycle to the nearest train station and take the train.Its more relaxing to take the train, taking a coffee or reading your newspaper than stressing on the freeway. You could also drive to the train station, we have huge parking spaces around the train stations so people can park and take the train which is much faster and much more comfortable.

When I lost my car 2 winters ago due to catastrophic breakdown, I had to walk and use buses to get to work. To arrive at 7:30 in the morning, I had to get up at 4:10. Catch my first bus at 5:10. Transfer 3 times, including having to walk a half mile in -10 degree (that's -20 Celsius) weather and with windchills down to -30 fahrenheit. I usually arrived 45 minutes early. That made my commute for a month before I changed locations over 4 hours a day. That's unacceptably long. 100 minutes of ride time and 45 of waiting. Yeah... unacceptable. After I changed locations it was only an hour... instead of what became 10 minutes driving.

Of course, if I could have driven it, I would have been able to get up at 6am, and driven there in 20 minutes. Almost 3 hours of my life returned to me that I wasn't stuck waiting in the cold or at work not able to start wasting time.

It's a quality of life issue. We have more freedom when you're not forced to be enslaved to someone else's time table and have the ability to come and go at a more convenient time.

 

[Trajan]

Why don't you are your socialist Scandinavian neighbors raise YOUR gasoline taxes 20 Krona or so and send us the money?

Until then,

Todays price for gasoline here: about 9$/gallon.
USa gasoline: 3$/gallon.

A 3$/gallon tax wouldn’t be much, you’ll still have really cheap gasoline(6$/gallon)

you must have missed the post where I said- fuel taxes are highly regressive, now, if you don't know what that means, ask ....

 

[Big Fitz]

Ross Perot suggested .50 cents a gallon tax in 1992. Americans are penny wise and pound foolish.

In this, we agree.

 

[Euro]

Why not increase the fuel taxes to pay for infrastructure and to improve state finances. The gasoline prices in USA are ridicoulously low. In UK and Germany they pay more in taxes pr. gallon than a gallon of gas in USA included fuel taxes.

All this talk about taxing the rich, why not put a 3$/gallon tax on gasoline instead? Is it really a need to have such low taxes on gasoline when USA is a net-importer of oil?

Increase the federal gasoline tax by $1 per gallon: The current federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per gallon, but the commission proposes to increase the federal gas tax, gradually and beginning in 2013, so that in 2020, it would be $1.18 cents per gallon. This would not only generate significant revenue but also reduce consumption of gas, reduce carbon emissions, and provide an incentive to automakers to increase the fuel efficiency of their vehicles. Projected revenue in 2020: $130 billion

By just increasing the fuel tax by 1$ the federal budget can have a revenue 130$ billon by 2020.

Why? Because it is a regressive tax that harms the most needy in society. This may be acceptable for a nation smaller than Kentucky with the population barely that of Iowa, but will not work for a nation 100 times that size with a diverse and dispersed population center that prides itself on having individual freedom of movement.

Ever here the expression "Out where the buses don't run"? Well that covers almost half the population of this nation, And 90% of it's land area. Not everyone here's packed in and able to bike to and from work like Copenhagen, Oslo, Trondheim or Stockholm.

You europeans don't realize that for a large portion of America, driving over 250 miles in a day, and in some places one way, for any civilization is not uncommon. What you suggest is both onerous and antithetical to the American way of life.

Visit sometime outside of a big city and learn this.

You are free to move and live wherever you want. If you get a new job 50 miles away from your home, you should move closer to the job.

I think that is why the unemployment is so high in USA, because people are not willing to move to places where the jobs are. I had to move 300 miles to find the job I have now.I just read that their are lots of jobs in North Dakota and also areas in Texas, you americans are not willing to move to find jobs thats why the unemployment is so high.

 

[Big Fitz]

Have you ever been to the U.S.? Do you have any idea just how spread out our cities are?

Have you ever heard about public transportation as in (flights,trains,subways,busses). Those things are really cheap here. The government subsidises public transportation.

I can take the train as far as I want (e.g 1000 km+) by just paying 80$.
A flight ticket 80$ between the cities. (500 km+)

Bus ticket between cities(500 km+)=8$. You can take the bus 500 km for 8$.

How far can you drive with your car for 8$, not very far.

So an 8 dollar bus ticket for a one way trip in much of America. Is 16 dollars a day to get only from city to city without any inclusion of transportation costs once in city a good value? Nope. Then again, if everything is packed in ultradense population centers where you can walk to anything you need, I guess it's not a big deal. Too bad there's almost no American cities like this save for NYC and a few other cities of that magnitude, or towns so small 2-5 riders a day would be a busy day.

Most cities between the sizes of 200 and 2 million need cars for 90% of your travel needs in America. That's the way they're set up, and nothing any time soon is going to change it.

 

[alan1]

Why not increase the fuel taxes to pay for infrastructure and to improve state finances. The gasoline prices in USA are ridicoulously low. In UK and Germany they pay more in taxes pr. gallon than a gallon of gas in USA included fuel taxes.

All this talk about taxing the rich, why not put a 3$/gallon tax on gasoline instead? Is it really a need to have such low taxes on gasoline when USA is a net-importer of oil?

Increase the federal gasoline tax by $1 per gallon: The current federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per gallon, but the commission proposes to increase the federal gas tax, gradually and beginning in 2013, so that in 2020, it would be $1.18 cents per gallon. This would not only generate significant revenue but also reduce consumption of gas, reduce carbon emissions, and provide an incentive to automakers to increase the fuel efficiency of their vehicles. Projected revenue in 2020: $130 billion

By just increasing the fuel tax by 1$ the federal budget can have a revenue 130$ billon by 2020.

Or, how about this ridiculously stupid idea?
People use water for drinking, cooking, bathing, cleaning all manner of items such as laundry, cars, etc. Let's put a $1 per gallon tax on water and generate enough income for the government to do everything.

 

[Euro]

Why don't you are your socialist Scandinavian neighbors raise YOUR gasoline taxes 20 Krona or so and send us the money?

Until then,

Todays price for gasoline here: about 9$/gallon.
USa gasoline: 3$/gallon.

A 3$/gallon tax wouldn’t be much, you’ll still have really cheap gasoline(6$/gallon)

you must have missed the post where I said- fuel taxes are highly regressive, now, if you don't know what that means, ask ....

It is no right to own a car.

If a person is poor he/she should be forced to sell the car and move to place where he/she can find a job. If you try to claim welfare here, your car will have to be sold before you can get anything.

You will also be forced to move if the job office finds a job for you.

E.g. person having a 30.000$ car claims welfare and no job.
1. Car sold on auction.
2. Forced to move if the job office can find a job (easy to find a job if you can move all over the country.)

 

[peach174]

Why not increase the fuel taxes to pay for infrastructure and to improve state finances. The gasoline prices in USA are ridiculously low. In UK and Germany they pay more in taxes pr. gallon than a gallon of gas in USA included fuel taxes.

All this talk about taxing the rich, why not put a 3$/gallon tax on gasoline instead? Is it really a need to have such low taxes on gasoline when USA is a net-importer of oil?

Increase the federal gasoline tax by $1 per gallon: The current federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per gallon, but the commission proposes to increase the federal gas tax, gradually and beginning in 2013, so that in 2020, it would be $1.18 cents per gallon. This would not only generate significant revenue but also reduce consumption of gas, reduce carbon emissions, and provide an incentive to automakers to increase the fuel efficiency of their vehicles. Projected revenue in 2020: $130 billion

By just increasing the fuel tax by 1$ the federal budget can have a revenue 130$ billion by 2020.

Most of our goods and services are moved by Semi trucks.
It we raise taxes on our gas, it raises prices on the goods and services that are delivered.
If a Semi Truck hauls goods from Los Angles to New York it is 2,778 miles or 4,470 km.
Your countries are small and you can afford to raise your taxes on your fuel.

We use flights for long distance transportation. We also have trains and ships. Trucks are mainly used to transport on short distances. (e.g. to the airport, train station, harbor etc.).

Trucks aren't suited for long distance transport. trains,flights,boats works better.
Short distance:Trucks.
Long distance:Trains,flights,boats etc.

Not in your country, but is is for here in America.
Your country is 1,150 miles long and 500 to 230 miles wide.
Ours is 3,452 miles long and 2,500 miles wide.
Asian goods are shipped to Calif. harbors.
European goods are shipped to New York harbors.
Some are sent by air, some by train. Other goods are shipped by Semi Trucks.
I takes a long time for train delivery (3 days)
Semi Trucks takes 1 day, 17 hrs.

 

[alan1]

It is no right to own a car.

If a person is poor he/she should be forced to sell the car and move to place where he/she can find a job. If you try to claim welfare here, your car will have to be sold before you can get anything.

You will also be forced to move if the job office finds a job for you.

E.g. person having a 30.000$ car claims welfare and no job.
1. Car sold on auction.
2. Forced to move if the job office can find a job (easy to find a job if you can move all over the country.)

Yes, because everybody wants a government that can force them to move.

 

[Euro]

Have you ever been to the U.S.? Do you have any idea just how spread out our cities are?

Have you ever heard about public transportation as in (flights,trains,subways,busses). Those things are really cheap here. The government subsidises public transportation.

I can take the train as far as I want (e.g 1000 km+) by just paying 80$.
A flight ticket 80$ between the cities. (500 km+)

Bus ticket between cities(500 km+)=8$. You can take the bus 500 km for 8$.

How far can you drive with your car for 8$, not very far.

So an 8 dollar bus ticket for a one way trip in much of America. Is 16 dollars a day to get only from city to city without any inclusion of transportation costs once in city a good value? Nope. Then again, if everything is packed in ultradense population centers where you can walk to anything you need, I guess it's not a big deal. Too bad there's almost no American cities like this save for NYC and a few other cities of that magnitude, or towns so small 2-5 riders a day would be a busy day.

Most cities between the sizes of 200 and 2 million need cars for 90% of your travel needs in America. That's the way they're set up, and nothing any time soon is going to change it.

I’ve lived in cities the size 200-2 million here:

But we subsidize public transport here so it isn’t really a problem. The bus goes every 10 minute in 200.000+ inhabitant cities.

So you have to put up the incentives for people to choose public transport. If the offer is good enough then people will use it.

 

[Big Fitz]

Why not increase the fuel taxes to pay for infrastructure and to improve state finances. The gasoline prices in USA are ridicoulously low. In UK and Germany they pay more in taxes pr. gallon than a gallon of gas in USA included fuel taxes.

All this talk about taxing the rich, why not put a 3$/gallon tax on gasoline instead? Is it really a need to have such low taxes on gasoline when USA is a net-importer of oil?

Increase the federal gasoline tax by $1 per gallon: The current federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per gallon, but the commission proposes to increase the federal gas tax, gradually and beginning in 2013, so that in 2020, it would be $1.18 cents per gallon. This would not only generate significant revenue but also reduce consumption of gas, reduce carbon emissions, and provide an incentive to automakers to increase the fuel efficiency of their vehicles. Projected revenue in 2020: $130 billion

By just increasing the fuel tax by 1$ the federal budget can have a revenue 130$ billon by 2020.

Why? Because it is a regressive tax that harms the most needy in society. This may be acceptable for a nation smaller than Kentucky with the population barely that of Iowa, but will not work for a nation 100 times that size with a diverse and dispersed population center that prides itself on having individual freedom of movement.

Ever here the expression "Out where the buses don't run"? Well that covers almost half the population of this nation, And 90% of it's land area. Not everyone here's packed in and able to bike to and from work like Copenhagen, Oslo, Trondheim or Stockholm.

You europeans don't realize that for a large portion of America, driving over 250 miles in a day, and in some places one way, for any civilization is not uncommon. What you suggest is both onerous and antithetical to the American way of life.

Visit sometime outside of a big city and learn this.

You are free to move and live wherever you want. If you get a new job 50 miles away from your home, you should move closer to the job.

I think that is why the unemployment is so high in USA, because people are not willing to move to places where the jobs are. I had to move 300 miles to find the job I have now.I just read that their are lots of jobs in North Dakota and also areas in Texas, you americans are not willing to move to find jobs thats why the unemployment is so high.

You are free to move and live wherever you want. If you get a new job 50 miles away from your home, you should move closer to the job.

And people have a natural inclination to live where they want as far as they can afford to. Thanks to the car, they can live up to 100 miles away if they want to spend that much time driving, and some do. Me, not so much. Just because you would desire to live close to your job does not make it better for anyone else. "Should" move closer? In your opinion maybe, but not in most American's minds. It's about quality of life. I've worked in places that are crime infested hellholes where I wouldn't live even if you paid me to live there. I've worked at places that spewed nasty smells I can smell from miles away. Am I going to live next to that? Hell no!

Quality of life is far more important to Americans than it seems it is to Europeans. Why be forced to live in a cracker box when you can live on 20 acres with a 4 bedroom house for the same price as an urban flat 100 yards from your job if you can and desire?

I think that is why the unemployment is so high in USA, because people are not willing to move to places where the jobs are. I had to move 300 miles to find the job I have now

You'd be wrong. People relocate for jobs all the time. Often, affordable living is nowhere near where they work and must drive. People sometimes move 2000 miles here for work. Would you move to Morocco for a job?

I just read that their are lots of jobs in North Dakota and also areas in Texas, you americans are not willing to move to find jobs thats why the unemployment is so high.

Read "Grapes of Wrath" for an example. The Dust Bowl and Great Depression drove millions all over this nation for work. Okies went all the way to California, nearly a 1700 mile trek in old trucks and even wagons to find prosperity. The oil boom in ND, SD, Montana and Colorado is going on. I've looked at jobs there, but MOST Americans don't have the skills for it yet, or the need to go that far away. The requirements to be an oil well worker is a lot more than pushing papers across a desk and updating spreadsheets. Driving oil truck requires many special certifications. There's also a housing shortage there as the boom IS going on, making life suddenly very expensive just like it always does in boomtowns.

Then there's the quality of life. Life on the High Prairie is not for everyone either. It's a stark landscape that can be beautiful in the spring, but come the fall, it's hell when winds are constant and the empty spaces are vast and deadly. Not many are willing to put up with the environment and it's effects on their life.

You are right that a lot of people limit themselves by not moving, but that's not everyone. Come and visit us sometime, away from the urban centers in the places your tourist shows don't talk about and in the off season. That's what America's like more often than not.

 

[Big Fitz]

Why not increase the fuel taxes to pay for infrastructure and to improve state finances. The gasoline prices in USA are ridicoulously low. In UK and Germany they pay more in taxes pr. gallon than a gallon of gas in USA included fuel taxes.

All this talk about taxing the rich, why not put a 3$/gallon tax on gasoline instead? Is it really a need to have such low taxes on gasoline when USA is a net-importer of oil?

Increase the federal gasoline tax by $1 per gallon: The current federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per gallon, but the commission proposes to increase the federal gas tax, gradually and beginning in 2013, so that in 2020, it would be $1.18 cents per gallon. This would not only generate significant revenue but also reduce consumption of gas, reduce carbon emissions, and provide an incentive to automakers to increase the fuel efficiency of their vehicles. Projected revenue in 2020: $130 billion

By just increasing the fuel tax by 1$ the federal budget can have a revenue 130$ billon by 2020.

Or, how about this ridiculously stupid idea?
People use water for drinking, cooking, bathing, cleaning all manner of items such as laundry, cars, etc. Let's put a $1 per gallon tax on water and generate enough income for the government to do everything.

Forget the fact it's no the government's job to take care of us from conception to grave, but protect our rights to live our lives as we see fit... as long as we don't infringe and play nice with our neighbor's rights as well.

 

[alan1]

I’ve lived in cities the size 200-2 million here:

But we subsidize public transport here so it isn’t really a problem. The bus goes every 10 minute in 200.000+ inhabitant cities.

So you have to put up the incentives for people to choose public transport. If the offer is good enough then people will use it.

Are you saying that bus transportation is so inefficient that it can't pay for itself? It has to be subsidized?
If so, you would be correct. But it seems kind of dumb to me to pay for inefficiency.

 

[Big Fitz]

Have you ever heard about public transportation as in (flights,trains,subways,busses). Those things are really cheap here. The government subsidises public transportation.

I can take the train as far as I want (e.g 1000 km+) by just paying 80$.
A flight ticket 80$ between the cities. (500 km+)

Bus ticket between cities(500 km+)=8$. You can take the bus 500 km for 8$.

How far can you drive with your car for 8$, not very far.

So an 8 dollar bus ticket for a one way trip in much of America. Is 16 dollars a day to get only from city to city without any inclusion of transportation costs once in city a good value? Nope. Then again, if everything is packed in ultradense population centers where you can walk to anything you need, I guess it's not a big deal. Too bad there's almost no American cities like this save for NYC and a few other cities of that magnitude, or towns so small 2-5 riders a day would be a busy day.

Most cities between the sizes of 200 and 2 million need cars for 90% of your travel needs in America. That's the way they're set up, and nothing any time soon is going to change it.

I’ve lived in cities the size 200-2 million here:

But we subsidize public transport here so it isn’t really a problem. The bus goes every 10 minute in 200.000+ inhabitant cities.

So you have to put up the incentives for people to choose public transport. If the offer is good enough then people will use it.

I live in a city with subsidized mass transit too. The buses stop at midnight, and run on some lines only till 6pm and go only to the major commercial areas with any regularity.

I WORKED for Transit. I know how it functions. I also know that the real cost of operation is up to 10 times what you pay, and the rest is covered by taxation on those who don't use it or have need of it at all.

You're not talking to someone who doesn't know about Mass Transit, but one who was a member of it.