Republicans in Democratic Clothing

[Skull Pilot]

National debt and Healthcare are two different things.

If you're worried about "jobs, wages and the economy" as you say you are then spending 80% of GDP on debt is much worse than spending 17% of GDP on health care.

Debt does not create growth and therefore jobs health care does.

Should have thought about that before Bush doubled the debt. And the money he spent is gone. You either don't know how things work, don't know what you are talking about, or you are lying.

Did you hear about the bridge collapse in Michigan? Long story short, is that America, greatest country in the world, is a joke compared to new up and coming countries who's infrastructure is modern/updated.

You should have tea bagged Bush and the GOP, but instead you only teabag Dems, which is wrong on so many levels.

I can't even begin to explain just how wrong your post is.

Healthcare does create jobs. Good jobs too. Doctors, nurses, etc. The jobs you are protecting are CEO's. Funny you understand Ford can't pay $30 hr and compete but insurance companies can afford millions to ceo's?

You are such a hypocrite. Now you are worried about jobs? Fuck that! They can find work in other industries. Go retrain themselves.

If Bush (btw I didn't vote for bush either time he ran and you know that) doubling the deficit was soooooo bad, why do you support obama's even bigger debts?

can you say hypocrisy and blind partisanship?

 

[sealybobo]

Correct me if I am wrong, but they were elected representatives of the USA, not of the Democratic party! If they don't agree with the bill or law then they should vote with their judgment not just blindly conform to their party! One of my favorite Republicans Mark Kirk does that on abortion!

Sillybozo when are you going to learn that Pelosi policy to bully Demcrats into conformity is just plain wrong!

Then the lobbyists can't/won't lose. At least not on healthcare reform. They beat Bill Clinton back in the 90's and look at how much their costs went up.

Get ready. Unless you are richer than I thought, soon you won't be able to afford it either. Healthcare, at least good healthcare, will only be for the rich. The poor, YOU, will go to the free clinics.

Or, you'll go bankrupt from your health. Shit, everyone will if FOR PROFITS win this. Because we will all get old and healthcare will be so expensive, everyone will have to basically sell their homes in order to pay for assisted living. So much for the home you spent 30 years paying off. Shit, why did you even bother. You could have retired broke and they would have taken care of you. Just at a cheaper retirement home. A socialized one. One that many/most of us will end up in. A shit hole. Think Walter Reed.

Its coming. And you think you are rich enough that this won't hurt you?

Most people right or left agree something drastic needs to be done with healthcare!

Oh now that the right isn't in charge you guys finally admit a need for reform? You didn't see a need last year when you had enough votes to obstruct but now you are willing to "work with us". We don't want your hands in the solution. And relax, because the same lobbyists who paid your boys to deny there was even a problem, are now paying our boys to block any progress. Now what we will get is something that costs taxpayers a lot and doesn't fix anything. Single payer is the only thing that makes sense.

Now that the right doesn't have a say, the healthcare giants have shifted to paying off Dems. This pattern is getting old. You righties can't have the answers when you didn't even admit there was a problem.

Max Baucus (D-MT) chairs the Senate Finance Committee, which plays a huge role with health reform legislation. He has frequently dismissed the importance of a public option, saying, "There's an awful lot more here than the public option," [1] and, "We can achieve the objective [of health care reform] without it." [2] When his committee's draft plan came out, the Washington Post's Ezra Klein reported, "There's no public plan mentioned anywhere in the document." [3]

When asked on Fox News about the public option, Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN) replied, "I'm agnostic on that." [1] In another interview, he used right-wing talking points to stoke fears of "socialized medicine." [2]

Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND) is the architect of the "co-op" plan, a watered-down "alternative" for the public option. He explicitly used right-wing frames in promoting the measure, saying that "the co-op structure has some appeal because it's not government control." [1]

Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) said on CNN on June 21, “I don’t know that [Obama] has the votes right now." She said she was most concerned about the "cost" of a public option. [1]

While Senator John Kerry (D-MA) has said in public that he supports a public option, the Huffington Post reports that "In a closed-door meeting of Senate Finance Committee Democratic members and their staff Wednesday evening, Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) suggested that if the committee bill didn't have enough votes for a public option it include a ten-year delay between passage of health care reform and the implementation of a public option."[1]

Senator Mary Landrieu (D-LA) has said: "No, I'm not open to it. I'm not open to a public option. ... I will remain open to a compromise, a full compromise. Public option is not something that I support. I don't think it's the right way to go." [1]

Senator Joe Lieberman (I-CT) has made no bones about his opposition to the public option. Lieberman point blank told a Bloomberg News reporter: "I don't favor a public option, and I don't favor a public option because I think there's plenty of competition in the private insurance market."[1]

Senator Ben Nelson (D-NE) not only opposes the public option, but Congressional Quarterly reports that the "inclusion of a public plan in legislation [is] a 'deal-breaker' for him." The same article reports on his plotting to "assemble a coalition of like-minded centrists opposed to the creation of a public plan." [1]

This list isn't identical but might have repeats:

Senator Blanche Lincoln (D-AR)

Senator Tom Carper (D-DE)

Senator Maria Cantwell (D-WA)

Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR)

Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL)

Senator Mark Pryor (D-AR)

Senator Mark Warner (D-VA)

Why aren't both lists identical? That bugs me. Why isn't Kerry on both lists. OMG, Kerry was a sellout! Fucker!

 

[Big Black Dog]

Our federally elected officials have government health insurance yet seem hesitant to offer a government plan to their constituents. Why? Health insurance companies are spending $1.5 million a day lobbying against a public option.

This is a true statement but only partially. Federally elected officials (members of Congress, the President's staff, and all the others associated with the President along with the vast majority of Washington's elected population) receive their health care generally through the National Naval Medical Center which is Bethesda Naval Hospital. If they don't go there they usually go to Walter Reed. It's all free to them. If they require medical attention while outside of the immediate area of these two medical facilities, the bill is usually paid by one of these hospitals. Way back when my Naval career was just beginning I was stationed at Bethesda. On duty days you most likely would have to escort some Senator or Congressman, or a member of his family, around the hospital for medical care. They got the royal treatment. It was always a real dog and pony show when one of these people needed to be admitted to the hospital. Talk about bending over backwards to make sure they were treated well...

 

[sealybobo]

If you're worried about "jobs, wages and the economy" as you say you are then spending 80% of GDP on debt is much worse than spending 17% of GDP on health care.

Debt does not create growth and therefore jobs health care does.

Should have thought about that before Bush doubled the debt. And the money he spent is gone. You either don't know how things work, don't know what you are talking about, or you are lying.

Did you hear about the bridge collapse in Michigan? Long story short, is that America, greatest country in the world, is a joke compared to new up and coming countries who's infrastructure is modern/updated.

You should have tea bagged Bush and the GOP, but instead you only teabag Dems, which is wrong on so many levels.

I can't even begin to explain just how wrong your post is.

Healthcare does create jobs. Good jobs too. Doctors, nurses, etc. The jobs you are protecting are CEO's. Funny you understand Ford can't pay $30 hr and compete but insurance companies can afford millions to ceo's?

You are such a hypocrite. Now you are worried about jobs? Fuck that! They can find work in other industries. Go retrain themselves.

If Bush (btw I didn't vote for bush either time he ran and you know that) doubling the deficit was soooooo bad, why do you support obama's even bigger debts?

can you say hypocrisy and blind partisanship?

Because of what Obama is going to be spending his money on.

Because Obama's spending will have oversite.

Because I realize Bush looted the treasury so his rich buddies could get richer. And that didn't trickle down because they took their money overseas, because bush gave them tax breaks.

Its hard to explain it in one post seeing as how you don't get whats really going on.

Did Bush spend our money rebuilding our infrastructure or did he outsource to his corporate buddies who privatized the profits and socialized all the losses?

GOP Capitalism is the best argument for Socialism. Might as well get some of the profits if the government has to take on all the losses.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Should have thought about that before Bush doubled the debt. And the money he spent is gone. You either don't know how things work, don't know what you are talking about, or you are lying.

Did you hear about the bridge collapse in Michigan? Long story short, is that America, greatest country in the world, is a joke compared to new up and coming countries who's infrastructure is modern/updated.

You should have tea bagged Bush and the GOP, but instead you only teabag Dems, which is wrong on so many levels.

I can't even begin to explain just how wrong your post is.

Healthcare does create jobs. Good jobs too. Doctors, nurses, etc. The jobs you are protecting are CEO's. Funny you understand Ford can't pay $30 hr and compete but insurance companies can afford millions to ceo's?

You are such a hypocrite. Now you are worried about jobs? Fuck that! They can find work in other industries. Go retrain themselves.

If Bush (btw I didn't vote for bush either time he ran and you know that) doubling the deficit was soooooo bad, why do you support obama's even bigger debts?

can you say hypocrisy and blind partisanship?

Because of what Obama is going to be spending his money on.

you mean more government entitlements that will do nothing but add to the crusing debt we already have?

Because Obama's spending will have oversite.

Oversight? Like the "oversight" on the stimulus bill that no one even bothered to read before they voted for it?

you mean oversight as in letting the house draft bills that put in every spending progam they can think of in them?

Because I realize Bush looted the treasury so his rich buddies could get richer. And that didn't trickle down because they took their money overseas, because bush gave them tax breaks.

And Obama bought an auto company with our money so the union could get paid off by screwing private investors.

Its hard to explain it in one post seeing as how you don't get whats really going on.

I know what's going on. We have a president that won't be happy until 70% of all income is confiscated by the government and everyone is completely dependent on government run programs.

Did Bush spend our money rebuilding our infrastructure or did he outsource to his corporate buddies who privatized the profits and socialized all the losses?

Gee the big dig cost a lot of money and we all know how well tht particular federal project was run.

There is more then enough money collected in taxes for the upkeep of our roads but the highway department won't hand it out unless states comply with their rules. And the states themselves collect plenty of money for roads but as usual government can't do anything right and the money ids spent on shit like fountains instead of levves as in Louisiana.

GOP Capitalism is the best argument for Socialism. Might as well get some of the profits if the government has to take on all the losses.

Government should not be involved in business at all other than to enforce the rule of law.

private enterprise is just that, private.

And it is private enterprise that has been responsible for the growth of this country just as it is government takeover of private enterprise will be its downfall.

 

[Bern80]

The GOP didn't care. They pushed their agenda thru depite what the public wanted. Most of the time the public didn't even know what was actually going on. The public only knows what the media tells them. And apparently, according to you and your sources, the deficit is now top on the publics agenda. Liberal media my ass.

Okay what was tops on the agenda before the deficit? Health care? Going green? There's something you can call bullshit on, Sealy. The public won't know once again what it is signing on to. The first sign that you have a piss poor idea is trying to get it rammed through congress as quickly as you can.

And the public is so easily manipulated through the corporate media. Look at you. I show you that the bankers took $9 trillion from you and you are crying about Obama's $1 trillion dollar plans.

You mean now that the media is actually putting out a story here and there about the loss in popularity of the health care bill, now the media is biased toward the right? Go sell that one to the egyptians along with some sand. Who are familiar with two wrongs don't make a right, aren't you. So far the only guy that has done much manipulating is the guy behind the desk in the oval office. He promised in his campaign the single payer system would be voluntary, for starters. The bad news for you is Obama's honeymoon is over for most people, though there apparently still a few star crossed lovers like yourself out there.