Republicans in Democratic Clothing

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    How come the GOP got what they wanted done and we can't? Our agenda has more public support than the GOP agenda had, yet they got it done and we can't? Want me to admit that Democrats are no better than Republicans? I will. 103 of them are not.

    Here they are: Blue Dog Coalition Members

    But on health care reform, the Blue Dog Democrats are ready to derail vital desperately needed changes in our failing health care system.

    Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT) isn't the Blue Dog that normally comes up in these battles. Evan Bayh, Ben Nelson are the usual suspects. But Baucus, who chairs the Senate Finance Committee, has the spotlight on him in this health care battle.

    And the news isn't encouraging. From the Billings Gazette:

    In the past six years, nearly one-fourth of every dime raised by the Montana Democrat and his political action committee has come from groups and individuals associated with drug companies, insurers, hospitals, medical supply firms, health service companies and other health professionals.

    The total is $3.4 million from January 2003 through 2008.

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=108

    And so why does Harry Reed have Max Baucus heading healthcare reform?

    It's one thing to not be in favor of single-payer, but when a Democratic chair works this hard to not even let their voices be heard, something is seriously wrong.

    The milquetoast theme continues with former Blue Dogs. Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, President Obama's first choice for Health and Human Services, being behind a watered-down plan that offers insurance pools from states (the vast majority of which are severely broke), not the federal government.

    Blue Dogs are afraid of significant change of any kind. If we drifted in the same sort of direction, they would be happy.

    And that might have worked in 1968 or 1977. But in 2009, there are big holes in what we do as a society. Change was what people voted for in 2008, and these Blue Dogs don't want change.

    The Republicans don't want change, and they are certainly fighting health care reform. But their biases, odd as they are, are a known quantity.

    But the biases of the Blue Dogs -- we don't want to make significant change -- are much harder to battle. Certainly those who live in Montana (Baucus), Landrieu (Louisiana), and Indiana (Bayh) would certainly benefit from a greatly improved health care system. But their representatives aren't always listening.

    As bad as things were in 1994, we are at a point where no reform or watered-down reform may be just as dangerous as the status quo. So how do progressives fight this battle with those wearing Ds on their theoretical caps?

    What are your thoughts? Give me some insight about how to score political points with this group? Compromise on other issues? Intimidation? Go over their heads?
     
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    Blue Dog Dems, much like those moderate Republicans some call RINOs are fearful that we'll throw the baby out with the bath, Sealy.

    Yes, they want solutions.

    No, they are not willing to sign onto every solution presented if they think that the solution could have blowback that is worse than the problem they're seeking to solve.

    They might be wrong, some of them might be motivated by campiagn financers, some of them might be out and out political whores, but they're still Democrats.

    What do do with them?

    Convince them, bribe them or intimidate them with public opinion.

    You know, politics as usual.
     
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    Then again, their concerns might reflect the truth on the ground?
    Twin Threat: Jobless Rate, Deficit - WSJ.com

     
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    Absolutely right, Baucus is a DINO, along with other Blue Dogs.
     
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    I read it and I want to call BULLSHIT!! The publics biggest concern is souring budget deficits? Since when? Who put that in our heads as a top concern? Oh yea, the Republicans, who when they were in charge said deficits don't matter.

    Your just tea bagging Obama. We won, get over it. It is our agenda. If the GOP won, they would have pushed forward their agenda and it would have cost just as much.

    And I've been showing you, THE PUBLIC, all week that the Federal Reserve loaned out $9 trillion in just 8 months, STARTING LAST YEAR BEFORE OBAMA EVEN WON, and none of you give a fuck. So that article is misleading. It is telling us what our biggest concerns are.

    My biggest concerns are jobs/wages/the economy. Healthcare is costing us too much of our GDP. It needs to be reformed. Blue Dogs are nothing more than Republicans in Democratic clothing and you know it. The people in their states want healthcare reform too. The only difference is their states generally vote GOP. So it is easier for the lobbyists to corrupt them than it is to corrupt a progressive.
     
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    You may rant all you like. You can ignore what's before you. However, the administration and Congress will not, because they are always running for the next election.
     
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    The GOP didn't care. They pushed their agenda thru depite what the public wanted. Most of the time the public didn't even know what was actually going on. The public only knows what the media tells them. And apparently, according to you and your sources, the deficit is now top on the publics agenda. Liberal media my ass.

    And the insurance companies will invest millions to defeat you if you vote against them. I know this is how corporations/lobbyists control policy. They use carrots and sticks.

    And the public is so easily manipulated through the corporate media. Look at you. I show you that the bankers took $9 trillion from you and you are crying about Obama's $1 trillion dollar plans.

    One Penny Sheet » Federal Reserve Cannot Account for $9 Trillion video
     
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    Hi dummy. :lol: Here is a list of Democrats who are acting just like Republicans. They are going to try to block healthcare reform. Some of them probably feel safe like they can get away with it. Maybe they are popular back home or they aren't up for re election in 2010. This is a great website: OpenSecrets.org: Money in Politics -- See Who's Giving & Who's Getting

    You almost can't argue with it. Well you're a girl so you can argue anything. :lol:

    But you think these Democrats are looking out for us or do you think they are the ones that the healthcare insurance giants/bankers/robber barons have purchased? You righties need to either learn how things work or wake up to the fantasy that it benefits you. No chance. Are you rich? If you are, at least let us know because then you should be voting GOP. But chances are you are like the rest of the righties on USMB. Bunch of broke asses who only THINK they belong in the GOP.

    Max Baucus (D-MT) chairs the Senate Finance Committee, which plays a huge role with health reform legislation. He has frequently dismissed the importance of a public option, saying, "There's an awful lot more here than the public option," [1] and, "We can achieve the objective [of health care reform] without it." [2] When his committee's draft plan came out, the Washington Post's Ezra Klein reported, "There's no public plan mentioned anywhere in the document." [3]

    When asked on Fox News about the public option, Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN) replied, "I'm agnostic on that." [1] In another interview, he used right-wing talking points to stoke fears of "socialized medicine." [2]

    Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND) is the architect of the "co-op" plan, a watered-down "alternative" for the public option. He explicitly used right-wing frames in promoting the measure, saying that "the co-op structure has some appeal because it's not government control." [1]

    Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) said on CNN on June 21, “I don’t know that [Obama] has the votes right now." She said she was most concerned about the "cost" of a public option. [1]

    While Senator John Kerry (D-MA) has said in public that he supports a public option, the Huffington Post reports that "In a closed-door meeting of Senate Finance Committee Democratic members and their staff Wednesday evening, Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) suggested that if the committee bill didn't have enough votes for a public option it include a ten-year delay between passage of health care reform and the implementation of a public option."[1]

    Senator Mary Landrieu (D-LA) has said: "No, I'm not open to it. I'm not open to a public option. ... I will remain open to a compromise, a full compromise. Public option is not something that I support. I don't think it's the right way to go." [1]

    Senator Joe Lieberman (I-CT) has made no bones about his opposition to the public option. Lieberman point blank told a Bloomberg News reporter: "I don't favor a public option, and I don't favor a public option because I think there's plenty of competition in the private insurance market."[1]

    Senator Ben Nelson (D-NE) not only opposes the public option, but Congressional Quarterly reports that the "inclusion of a public plan in legislation [is] a 'deal-breaker' for him." The same article reports on his plotting to "assemble a coalition of like-minded centrists opposed to the creation of a public plan." [1]
     
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    The administration is OVER REACHING to where Moderates, who more closely represent Americans in general, are recalcitrant. So, blame the radical agenda, not the folks who oppose it, no matter their stripe. Live with the fact that the Marks are starting to get wise to the con.
     
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    Thank God for the blue dog democrats, the dems could pass health care without one single republican vote in the congress and the senate, dems hold the majority in both houses.

    Everyone agrees that health care needs to be reformed, even conservative repubs, we just do not want a single payer system that is inefficient, would cause rationing and be way, way too expensive to all tax payers. We also realize that it is not just going to be the rich who pay for this, it will be all of us, including the middle class.

    9 out of 10 people who have health insurance like the plan they are on. This plan would force all of us to join the national one. Private companies can not compete with the government, as government does not have to show a profit, they just print or borrow more money when they need it. Private companies can not do that.

    The government would impose a fine on business of an 8% payroll tax should they not cover their employee's insurance cost. Employers already pay more than that for their employee's health benefit. They would gladly dump this benefit and pay the 8% forcing millions onto the Obama plan.

    In one of the amendments it is written that a new hire can not sign up for their employer's insurance coverage after the national one is in place. They will be forced to go on the national plan and thereby signal an end to all private insurance carriers.

    This problem does have solutions and Republicans HAVE brought these up, but with dems in charge of everything, these solutions have been totally ignored.

    Also consider the 8% payroll tax that will be imposed on small business, business's across America will have to pay this tax, causing even more lay-offs. It's a job killer.

    Healthcare is 1/6 of our economy. Obama wants to rush this through, just like he did the stimulus bill, which by the way is NOT working, before the August recess. I think that this reform is important, but I would rather they get it right than to be fast about it.

    This could all be done through legislation with private insurance carriers, we don't need and I certainly do not want the government running anything else. They already run Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security and all are bankrupt.
     
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