Republican Religious Right - building the ideal country

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    What do they really want?

    The conservative Republicans have been very clear in their opposition to abortion and gay marriage.
    They say they don’t want to get rid of all the gays, merely lead them to God and help them stop being gay.
    They say they don’t want to stop teaching “science”, but merely want to add a “religious element”.

    Now, the question becomes, “What is the goal?”

    Say they were somehow able to “turn all the gays straight”. How would that help marriage? How would that help straight marriage to end the 50% divorce rate? Or the huge number of people participating in the “swinger’s” lifestyle?

    So they add a “religious element” to science. What would that do to better science? What great discoveries will come from adding a “religious element”? How will that help people? What great religious conservative scientists right now will “lead the charge”?

    Say they are able to completely outlaw abortion. What will they do to keep those women who didn’t want children from abusing the very children they didn’t want? How will they ensure these children grow up safe and well taken care of as well as being loved?

    We know what the religious conservative Republicans want to change. But what do they want to change into? What is the goal?

    I have never heard the conservative Republicans speak of the “ideal” country. If they could design the perfect country, what would it be?
     
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    I imagine it would be a lot like Saudi Arabia but with a different God.
     
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    Ohh their ideal country would be just like their religious sects. Divided and fussin.
     
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    1st the RELIGIOUS right is a small subset of the right and a small subset of them are Republicans.

    Gays already have all the rights of every other American citizen it is past time to stop giving minority groups special treatment. ANd that is EXACTLY what they want.

    Abortion is nothing more then murder. Elective abortion should be outlawed.

    None of that would make us anything LIKE Saudia Arabia or any other Muslim run country.

    In fact retards it used to be the law of the land just 30 to 40 years ago.

    Meanwhile the far left is driving the Country into bankruptcy at an ever increasing rate, adding entitlement programs that we can not pay for to the public debt. And the Health Care crap? Well it will be dumped on the 46 States that did not have their Senators sell out their votes for special deals, at least until the SUpreme Court gets involved and rules that the power to tax must be uniform as stated in the Constitution and can not be bartered away to some States over the expense of other States.

    Remind us Rdean how Bush doubling the deficit in 8 years was the worst thing that has ever happened but you LOVE how Obama will double it again in 4 YEARS, and possibly triple it in 8.

    His Budgets all will be bigger then the last, the first one is what 1.6 trillion? The highest of any Budget EVER? We are borrowing 50 cents on every dollar our Government spends and China has said they are going to quit financing pur run to Bankruptcy. Where will Obama get cash then? Print it?
     
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    Weather you like it or not, our constitution and the declaration of independence were written by people who beleived in a divine presence. It is clear and documented evidence that we are a Christian Judeo nation. Thomas Jefferson the 4th President of the U.S allowed church services in the congress and the White House and also approved federal funding $100 per year for a Catholic Priest who was teaching his religion to indians. He also approved that children be taught to read by reading the bible and religious song books.

    You libs try to distort the history and the facts on this. God is against abortions.
     
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    But God supports murders of women and children as in Iraq?

    Is it worse to kill someone who has tasted life or one who has not known life?
     
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    I'm guessing that routinely the people you cite are what is referred to as collateral damage, a particularly demeaning phrase, and not the targets of the attackers.

    I could be wrong. You could be referring to the victims of the homocide bombers who deliberately kill themselves and as many women and children as they can manage to get among.

    Without that distinction, your question lacks specificity, but as a general rule, lacking any other qualifications and setting aside all other considerations, all humans have the right to life and the strong have the obligation to help those that cannot help themselves.
     
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    Those are two pretty limited examples and by association link two disparate groups. Not all of the religious right are Republicans and not all Republicans are members of the religious right. This straw man defines you more acurately than it defines either of these groups.

    That said, as a Conservative who is not particularly religious, what I would like for the government to do is as little as possible. This should not be a great challenge. They already do damn little that is of any use to me. The primary function of most government workers and the politicians who allocate funds for them is to have a job tomorrow.

    We could eliminate this by demanding mandatory public service. Dissolve the beaurocracy and make term limts a rock solid part of the Constitution. The public service component would be like the military except that the public servants would be the gophers for the 2-term or less elected officilas. They could be paid in education credits or cash as they decide.

    Aside from that, defend the borders, maintain the peace, enhance the infrastructure and deliver the mail. The last will soon be optional.

    Something that the "Right" seems to like is a notion of right and wrong or good and bad or rights and responsiblities. Does everyone have a right to healthcare? Does everyone have a responsibility to pay for it? How you answer these two questions probably defines where you are in the political spectrum.

    Should laws support notions of right and wrong? Of good and bad? Are these notions to be more strongly associated with individuals or with society at large? Is fairness a consideration in legality? Is fairness to be defined by individual standards or by notions of the "greater good" and in which instances does the greater good trump the individual?

    Should the greater good ever trump the individual? Are individual rights the basis of our society or is societal peace the framework under which individual rights must be sublimated?

    These are the great questions under which all societies labor.

    All other questions are merely distractions by which definitions are blurred and emotions are fired.

    As a Conservative, I tend to go the greater ideas and apply rationale to the more petty questions. I fell that many Liberals seem to go to the more petty questions and apply rationale to the greater ideas.

    We're building a puzzle as liberals and Conservatives using all the same pieces, but we are able to see only with the shadows of those pieces.

    Until we use the same pieces and the same process and direct light to examine them, we are engaged in a fool's game.
     
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    You obviously have a delusional view of conservatives. And it's painfully obvious your an idiot! Case in point, your abortion comment, you think that if women were not allowed to murder their unborn children they will somehow become child abusers or neglect their children altogether. Perhaps outlawing abortion will force women to be more careful about getting knocked up in the first place. Oh and surely you have heard of "adoption", haven't you?
     
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    What evidence do you have that women and children were murdered in Iraq?
     

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