Republican Plan to end Health Care for Americans

[Quantum Windbag]

I see some still confuse healthcare with healthcare insurance. Refusing to fund the IRS so that they can go after people who don't have insurance will not deny healthcare to ANYONE.

The concern here is about destabilizing the individual marketplace. Adverse selection has to be deterred and if they want to get rid of the individual mandate they'll have to re-institute pre-existing condition exclusions and rating variations. But you can't propose to get rid of all those things simultaneously.

Why not? They do not exist until 2014 anyway. Or have you been lying about what the law actually says all this time?

 

[Greenbeard]

so you're saying that they can't get rid of mandating that everyone carry insurance without getting rid of the provision which prevents insurance companies from denying service for pre existing conditions?

Of course. What do you think the individual mandate is for?

Why not? They do not exist until 2014 anyway. Or have you been lying about what the law actually says all this time?

Why not what?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Why can't we eliminate the requirement to cover preexisting conditions, and the requirement to let children stay on their parents insurance, and all the other health care provisions that are going to cause problems? None of them are even required yet, some companies are just rolling them out in advance to defray all the negatives and extra costs that are front loaded.

 

[Greenbeard]

Why can't we eliminate the requirement to cover preexisting conditions, and the requirement to let children stay on their parents insurance, and all the other health care provisions that are going to cause problems?

I'm certainly hoping House Republicans pass a bill to do that, if that's what you're asking.

 

[Rozman]

You may also want to keep the government out of the equation. Once they get their paws on it then it's a one way road to total control of everybody's lives.

Horseshit.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because the healthcare lobbyists gave $10 BILLION DOLLARS to members of Congress in the last decade. You are being screwed by your corporate masters, and you don't even know it.

Sure we are, which is why us Yanks tend to live longer once we get old and sick than anyone in those wonderful places.

Why are we so anxious to be like other countries......?
I have a one word answer for you Libs who think this is a shitty country.

Greece
Spain
France
Cal E For nia

how are these guys doin right now?

 

[The T]

Horseshit.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because the healthcare lobbyists gave $10 BILLION DOLLARS to members of Congress in the last decade. You are being screwed by your corporate masters, and you don't even know it.

Sure we are, which is why us Yanks tend to live longer once we get old and sick than anyone in those wonderful places.

Why are we so anxious to be like other countries......?
I have a one word answer for you Libs who think this is a shitty country.

Greece
Spain
France
Cal E For nia

how are these guys doin right now?

Due to the fact that we have many leftists that belive that American Exceptionalism needs to be controlled because they cannot achieve it on their own. (It's the easiest thing in the world...Pick a course and go for it)...but we have too many whiners that pick the wrong course and cry foul.

 

[The T]

I see some still confuse healthcare with healthcare insurance. Refusing to fund the IRS so that they can go after people who don't have insurance will not deny healthcare to ANYONE.

The concern here is about destabilizing the individual marketplace. Adverse selection has to be deterred and if they want to get rid of the individual mandate they'll have to re-institute pre-existing condition exclusions and rating variations. But you can't propose to get rid of all those things simultaneously.

Why not? They do not exist until 2014 anyway. Or have you been lying about what the law actually says all this time?

Hell, alot of them didn't even read it.

Check this dumbass out:



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[daveman]

tort reform is a joke as it only constitutes 1% of healthcare spending and the government has no business deciding how much people's claims are worth

But it's the government's business to decide what health care you get?

 

[shintao]

It is simply hilarious that people not only say - but actually believe - that anyone who opposed the HCR act of 2010 doesn't want health care reform.
This is a HUGE misnomer.
Myself, among many fiscal conservatives...wait for it...absolutely support addressing healthcare concerns.
I 100% want there to be actions taken to address numerous problems in the industry.
The difference is:
We want whatever actions are to be taken, must be paid for legitimately.
We want the high costs to be addressed, and are against increasing costs before addressing DECREASING cost.
We want more Americans to be covered, we want safety nets - basically we want most of the items that liberals also want.

The key difference is - we want it to be done with out having to borrow more money...or increasing costs for the productive to cover the unproductive in a long term manner.

I am pretty much in agreement with what you are saying. The problem is, the greedy Left & Right don't want to pay for those 30 million without health care, even though they are being gouged. And the Dems really destroyed the intent of HC with more gouging of their own & closing out the very needy people we need to help. I am really ashambed of what I saw in Congress from all these pricks.

It would seem to me it would be cheaper to give those under a certain personal worth a credit card (like the Medical card) to have their health issues handled, the 30 million. That was all that was needed to begin with in this capitalist system. But Republicans did nothing to help them, and in the end, neither did Dems. Meanwhile, taxpayers paid out over a Billion dollars in salarys for these congressional assholes. Would 30 million people run up a Billion dollar tab in a year for needed HC?? I doubt it.

Now we are getting ready to do it again?? LOL! Talk about cradle to grave!!!

 

[The T]

tort reform is a joke as it only constitutes 1% of healthcare spending and the government has no business deciding how much people's claims are worth

But it's the government's business to decide what health care you get?

Nope. Nerver has been until now. [But something they've been working on since FDR and Truman]...they figured since they had the power? Why not blindly charge into it...details to be sorted out later.

But that's how Statists are. Create a problem...and then legislate those problems to create more power and buracracy for themselves until the Liberty of the individual is whittled away.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

They don't want anything to change their minds, including the fact that the people will pay 10 years of taxes for 7 years of "benefits". .

Ahh, when they extended the retirement age under Bush, that extended what people will pay in from 65 years to 70 years before benefits. Were you screaming over that? LOL!!

You will have to explain to me what is wrong with 10 years of taxes for 7 years of benefits, the easing instead of taking every dollar from you to kick start the program? That only means you will be paying 7/10s a year in taxes. DUH!! Dumb fucks like you never think anything through.

How much you paying for that fucking ME war over ten years, and dumb fuck!!! YOU DON"T GET A FUCKING DIME OF THAT!!!! Geeze you people are fucking stupid!!!

The arch IDIOT SHIT(ow) and his ilk simply can't understand something that a lobotomized paramecium would understand.

It all boils down to this:

There isn't any way one can add 30 million of the "something for nothing "crowd with a basically static number of Doctors, Nurses, and Hospitals, and not only EXPECT.....but RIDICULOUSLY PROMISE ......not only an INCREASE in benefits.....but also, a REDUCTION of costs.

THAT IS WHAT THE PHONEY OBAMDINEJAD and his OBAMARRHOIDAL LIEBTURD STOOGES ARE TRYING TO PULL OFF AT THE TAXPAYERS' EXPENSE !!!

hee hee....."lobotomized paramecium"....

Obama is not stupid like his braindead adulating masses.....he of course is well aware that the ridiculous numbers do not add up but he's doing it anyway because he is a died-in-the-wool marxist who is setting up the "structure" or "framework" for government control....his followers don't realize that he really doesn't give a sh*t about their health care...that his real goal is power...

Medicine is the KEYSTONE in the Arch of Socialism....Lenin

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Looks like 30 million Americans are headed into the dumpsters with the help of Republicans. Tsk!

Republicans said, "they would propose limiting the money and personnel available to the Internal Revenue Service, so the agency could not aggressively enforce provisions that require people to obtain health insurance and employers to help pay for it.

They plan to use spending bills to block federal insurance regulations to which they object. And they will try to limit access to government-subsidized private health plans that include coverage of abortion.

The House Republican whip, Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, described the strategy this way: “If all of Obamacare cannot be immediately repealed, then it is my intention to begin repealing it piece by piece, blocking funding for its implementation and blocking the issuance of the regulations necessary to implement it.”

http://tiny.cc/6678v

 

[daveman]

But it's the government's business to decide what health care you get?

Nope. Nerver has been until now. [But something they've been working on since FDR and Truman]...they figured since they had the power? Why not blindly charge into it...details to be sorted out later.

But that's how Statists are. Create a problem...and then legislate those problems to create more power and buracracy for themselves until the Liberty of the individual is whittled away.

"Ready! Fire! Aim!"

 

[Dr Grump]

Sure we are, which is why us Yanks tend to live longer once we get old and sick than anyone in those wonderful places.

Horseshit...

You live in one of the best places on Earth - National - NZ Herald News

Read the bottom and rankings. Norway, Australia and NZ are ahead of the US, and they all have national health systems....

 

[Bleeding Heart]

We don't need any sort of healthcare reform. The Repub's should just repeal it all. For all of those people with pre-existing conditions? They can either pay for their own or just die and we'll be done with them. The same for all of those 30 million without care. The herd needs to be culled anyway. Make more room for those of us who can afford it.

 

[The T]

Looks like 30 million Americans are headed into the dumpsters with the help of Republicans. Tsk!

Republicans said, "they would propose limiting the money and personnel available to the Internal Revenue Service, so the agency could not aggressively enforce provisions that require people to obtain health insurance and employers to help pay for it.

They plan to use spending bills to block federal insurance regulations to which they object. And they will try to limit access to government-subsidized private health plans that include coverage of abortion.

The House Republican whip, Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, described the strategy this way: “If all of Obamacare cannot be immediately repealed, then it is my intention to begin repealing it piece by piece, blocking funding for its implementation and blocking the issuance of the regulations necessary to implement it.”

http://tiny.cc/6678v

CF nails Shithead again.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

We don't need any sort of healthcare reform. The Repub's should just repeal it all. For all of those people with pre-existing conditions? They can either pay for their own or just die and we'll be done with them. The same for all of those 30 million without care. The herd needs to be culled anyway. Make more room for those of us who can afford it.

Right, if the market was wide open there would be less expensive health care that people could actually afford to pay for themselves and would not need to depend on an employer to provide it.....thus there would be a whole lot less people with "pre-existing conditions" and no health care...

...oh....did i spoil your sarcasm with reality...?

 

[shintao]

But it's the government's business to decide what health care you get?

Nope. Nerver has been until now.

And the Sugar Plum Fairies are dancing in your head. Any government medical service has always decided what patients will get in services & pharmaceuticals. Stop talking shit. I don't even know of a private insurance that covers everything on a whim, so why are you bullshitting. Too much plum pudding I assume.

[But something they've been working on since FDR and Truman]...they figured since they had the power? Why not blindly charge into it...details to be sorted out later.

But that's how Statists are. Create a problem..

How fucking stupid are you?? The problem was 30 million people with no fucking HC. Why don't you go lay down and sober up, or taks meds, whatever. GeezUS Chipto you are stupid!!!

.and then legislate those problems to create more power and buracracy for themselves until the Liberty of the individual is whittled away.

I agree with that, probably not in the context you are dreaming about.

 

[The T]

Nope. Nerver has been until now.

And the Sugar Plum Fairies are dancing in your head. Any government medical service has always decided what patients will get in services & pharmaceuticals. Stop talking shit. I don't even know of a private insurance that covers everything on a whim, so why are you bullshitting. Too much plum pudding I assume.





How fucking stupid are you?? The problem was 30 million people with no fucking HC. Why don't you go lay down and sober up, or taks meds, whatever. GeezUS Chipto you are stupid!!!

.and then legislate those problems to create more power and buracracy for themselves until the Liberty of the individual is whittled away.

I agree with that, probably not in the context you are dreaming about.

Private decisions regarding Healthcare are NONE of Government's business shithead. What of this don't you understand?

What part of Liberty don't you understand exactly?

 

[shintao]

We don't need any sort of healthcare reform. The Repub's should just repeal it all. For all of those people with pre-existing conditions? They can either pay for their own or just die and we'll be done with them. The same for all of those 30 million without care. The herd needs to be culled anyway. Make more room for those of us who can afford it.

Right, if the market was wide open there would be less expensive health care that people could actually afford to pay for themselves and would not need to depend on an employer to provide it.....thus there would be a whole lot less people with "pre-existing conditions" and no health care...

...oh....did i spoil your sarcasm with reality...?

Quite true.