Republican Plan to end Health Care for Americans

[skookerasbil]

Obamacare.............

 

[Chris]

The French have the best healthcare system. It is a combination of public and private insurance. They keep costs low by limiting liability, making medical schools cheaper, so there are more doctors per capita than we have, and they negotiate costs. Thus they cover everyone, there is little wait time, and they pay way less per capita than we do. We could learn a lot by studying what other countries do.

 

[hipeter924]

The French have the best healthcare system. It is a combination of public and private insurance. They keep costs low by limiting liability, making medical schools cheaper, so there are more doctors per capita than we have, and they negotiate costs. Thus they cover everyone, there is little wait time, and they pay way less per capita than we do. We could learn a lot by studying what other countries do.

Oh please, not this bullshit again. France doesn't even rate, even India is better.

 

[Chris]

the French system is similar enough to the U.S. model that reforms based on France's experience might work in America. The French can choose their doctors and see any specialist they want. Doctors in France, many of whom are self- employed, are free to prescribe any care they deem medically necessary. "The French approach suggests it is possible to solve the problem of financing universal coverage...[without] reorganizing the entire system," says Victor G. Rodwin, professor of health policy and management at New York University.

France also demonstrates that you can deliver stellar results with this mix of public and private financing. In a recent World Health Organization health-care ranking, France came in first, while the U.S. scored 37th, slightly better than Cuba and one notch above Slovenia. France's infant death rate is 3.9 per 1,000 live births, compared with 7 in the U.S., and average life expectancy is 79.4 years, two years more than in the U.S. The country has far more hospital beds and doctors per capita than America, and far lower rates of death from diabetes and heart disease. The difference in deaths from respiratory disease, an often preventable form of mortality, is particularly striking: 31.2 per 100,000 people in France, vs. 61.5 per 100,000 in the U.S.

That's not to say the French have solved all health-care riddles. Like every other nation, France is wrestling with runaway health-care inflation. That has led to some hefty tax hikes, and France is now considering U.S.-style health-maintenance organization tactics to rein in costs. Still, some 65% of French citizens express satisfaction with their system, compared with 40% of U.S. residents. And France spends just 10.7% of its gross domestic product on health care, while the U.S. lays out 16%, more than any other nation.

The French Lesson In Health Care

 

[shintao]

Good tactic: To hell with doing our jobs -- get the Repukes!

How old are you? You're really very childish.

Where did she say get the republicans? She said tear apart some of the past republican legislation. IMO. Did you see it any differently?

Yes. Regardless, even if she meant legislation, it's still a childish, petty move.

Which means it would be perfectly in character for Democrats.

It might be a smart move IMO. When you go to play hard ball, bring a steel bat.

 

[GWV5903]

Looks like 30 million Americans are headed into the dumpsters with the help of Republicans. Tsk!

Republicans said, "they would propose limiting the money and personnel available to the Internal Revenue Service, so the agency could not aggressively enforce provisions that require people to obtain health insurance and employers to help pay for it.

They plan to use spending bills to block federal insurance regulations to which they object. And they will try to limit access to government-subsidized private health plans that include coverage of abortion.

The House Republican whip, Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, described the strategy this way: “If all of Obamacare cannot be immediately repealed, then it is my intention to begin repealing it piece by piece, blocking funding for its implementation and blocking the issuance of the regulations necessary to implement it.”

http://tiny.cc/6678v

The plan is to do a better job with health care reform...
Bad idea to force people to buy health care...
Bad idea not to look into tort reform.
Bad idea to not allow citizens to purchase health care across state lines.
Bad idea to force people to buy it and if they don't they face a minimum fine....guess what they will pay the fine,which is a new tax on people....

That's just for starters...the real reason for all of this is to destroy the health insurance companies by forcing them to insure everyone.
When that is done Americans will have NO choice but to have the government take care of health insurance,which is Obama's and Nancy Pelosi's plan from the start.

If this is going to be something that gets stuck on ALL Americans why can't the people who disagree with the way Obama is doing this have a voice in how this gets done?

tort reform is a joke as it only constitutes 1% of healthcare spending and the government has no business deciding how much people's claims are worth

You do have a formula that has an accurate measurement of the cost associated with law suit abuse. This formula accounts for the effect of all abusive litigation, because anything short of that would not be very accurate. As we both know you do not have anything that resembles an accurate accounting, the 1% claim has no credibility, in fact, the cost of abusive litigation effects everything we pay for. So go ahead and keep buying into that analogy and we will never even come close to resolving the rising cost, we will only succeed in limiting the advancement of medicine, can you live with it......

Oh and BTW, tell us why Lawyers / Law Firms where the #1 campaign contributors in 9 of the last 11 years Lawyers / Law Firms: Long-Term Contribution Trends | OpenSecrets

That would be Lawyers, scum of the earth, vile blood sucking leaches, so tell us all, who is really making the money?!?!?!?!

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Looks like 30 million Americans are headed into the dumpsters with the help of Republicans. Tsk!

Isn't that the same number of uninsured under ObamaCare?

criticizing incremental progress on health care while advocating bullshit?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Looks like 30 million Americans are headed into the dumpsters with the help of Republicans. Tsk!

Republicans said, "they would propose limiting the money and personnel available to the Internal Revenue Service, so the agency could not aggressively enforce provisions that require people to obtain health insurance and employers to help pay for it.

They plan to use spending bills to block federal insurance regulations to which they object. And they will try to limit access to government-subsidized private health plans that include coverage of abortion.

The House Republican whip, Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, described the strategy this way: “If all of Obamacare cannot be immediately repealed, then it is my intention to begin repealing it piece by piece, blocking funding for its implementation and blocking the issuance of the regulations necessary to implement it.”

http://tiny.cc/6678v

Cantor can say anything he wants. The US House does not have power alone to do all he claims he will do. You are feeding his message.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

You people live in la la land.
Under current group health insurance the premiums will be 48K per year per family within 11 years.
Or more as that is the low estimate.
And you friggin morons argue over issues and accept this as okay?

stop pulling predictions out of your ass. It's disgusting to witness.

 

[shintao]

Looks like 30 million Americans are headed into the dumpsters with the help of Republicans. Tsk!

Republicans said, "they would propose limiting the money and personnel available to the Internal Revenue Service, so the agency could not aggressively enforce provisions that require people to obtain health insurance and employers to help pay for it.

They plan to use spending bills to block federal insurance regulations to which they object. And they will try to limit access to government-subsidized private health plans that include coverage of abortion.

The House Republican whip, Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, described the strategy this way: “If all of Obamacare cannot be immediately repealed, then it is my intention to begin repealing it piece by piece, blocking funding for its implementation and blocking the issuance of the regulations necessary to implement it.”

http://tiny.cc/6678v

Cantor can say anything he wants. The US House does not have power alone to do all he claims he will do. You are feeding his message.

Didn't I read he is the #2 man in the House?? Oh yes, yes I did. And the "whip" at that. Sounds more like the Clinton impeachment everyday, and do you recall what the republican whip did during the Clinton impeachment, to get compliance from everyone for them? You might want to review that part of history. Now how many Dem traitors were there during the election on this very HC issue? The ones that refused to support HC, who cowered, who went publicly against the plan?

"The House Republican whip, Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, described the strategy this way: 'If all of Obamacare cannot be immediately repealed, then it is my intention to begin repealing it piece by piece, blocking funding for its implementation and blocking the issuance of the regulations necessary to implement it.' "

 

[Political Junky]

The French have the best healthcare system. It is a combination of public and private insurance. They keep costs low by limiting liability, making medical schools cheaper, so there are more doctors per capita than we have, and they negotiate costs. Thus they cover everyone, there is little wait time, and they pay way less per capita than we do. We could learn a lot by studying what other countries do.

Oh please, not this bullshit again. France doesn't even rate, even India is better.

Of course you have a link to prove that?

 

[hipeter924]

The French have the best healthcare system. It is a combination of public and private insurance. They keep costs low by limiting liability, making medical schools cheaper, so there are more doctors per capita than we have, and they negotiate costs. Thus they cover everyone, there is little wait time, and they pay way less per capita than we do. We could learn a lot by studying what other countries do.

Oh please, not this bullshit again. France doesn't even rate, even India is better.

Of course you have a link to prove that?

Cost, India, Brain. Put those three together.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The Republicans won't be happy until everyone has guns, and no one has healthcare.

just about everyone does have guns.....and a hell of a lot of people have a health plan.....so whats your point?....

 

[Gadawg73]

The Republicans won't be happy until everyone has guns, and no one has healthcare.

just about everyone does have guns.....and a hell of a lot of people have a health plan.....so whats your point?....

NFL, the county here has just cut their disease care plan, there is very little health dollars spent on health care under our system-less than 40% of all health care dollars spent, and willcontinue to cut.
No one can dispute that health insurance premiums have doubled every 6 years for the last 40 years so how can a family afford $48K a ear in health care premiums in 12 years?
4% of the population now uses 60% of all health care dollars and that gap is growing yearly. When 90% of all health care dollars is for disease care, most of it keeping Gramps and Granny on life support, how will this "health care" system work?
8 of the 9 disease we spend that 60% of all health care dollars on are PREVENTABLE!
American health care is not even in the top 25 in the world as illustrated how UNHEALTHY we are. If you live an unhealthy lifestyle and are sick our speciality disease care is great!
Wake up fools. The doctors. BigPharma and hospitals love this disease care system we have and strived to build it and keep it in place.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Looks like 30 million Americans are headed into the dumpsters with the help of Republicans. Tsk!

Republicans said, "they would propose limiting the money and personnel available to the Internal Revenue Service, so the agency could not aggressively enforce provisions that require people to obtain health insurance and employers to help pay for it.

They plan to use spending bills to block federal insurance regulations to which they object. And they will try to limit access to government-subsidized private health plans that include coverage of abortion.

The House Republican whip, Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, described the strategy this way: “If all of Obamacare cannot be immediately repealed, then it is my intention to begin repealing it piece by piece, blocking funding for its implementation and blocking the issuance of the regulations necessary to implement it.”

http://tiny.cc/6678v

Cantor can say anything he wants. The US House does not have power alone to do all he claims he will do. You are feeding his message.

Didn't I read he is the #2 man in the House?? Oh yes, yes I did. And the "whip" at that. Sounds more like the Clinton impeachment everyday, and do you recall what the republican whip did during the Clinton impeachment, to get compliance from everyone for them? You might want to review that part of history. Now how many Dem traitors were there during the election on this very HC issue? The ones that refused to support HC, who cowered, who went publicly against the plan?

"The House Republican whip, Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, described the strategy this way: 'If all of Obamacare cannot be immediately repealed, then it is my intention to begin repealing it piece by piece, blocking funding for its implementation and blocking the issuance of the regulations necessary to implement it.' "

Cantor is a freak. He will make for great entertainment.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Looks like 30 million Americans are headed into the dumpsters with the help of Republicans. Tsk!

Republicans said, "they would propose limiting the money and personnel available to the Internal Revenue Service, so the agency could not aggressively enforce provisions that require people to obtain health insurance and employers to help pay for it.

They plan to use spending bills to block federal insurance regulations to which they object. And they will try to limit access to government-subsidized private health plans that include coverage of abortion.

The House Republican whip, Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, described the strategy this way: “If all of Obamacare cannot be immediately repealed, then it is my intention to begin repealing it piece by piece, blocking funding for its implementation and blocking the issuance of the regulations necessary to implement it.”

Yeah...we've gotta make damned-sure retirees DON'T take-advantage of abortion-coverage!!! ​

"The study was conducted by Professor John Pottow, an expert on bankruptcy at the University of Michigan Law School. He found that even though the elderly account for a relatively small share of overall bankruptcy filings, the growth rate in their filings has been dramatic. For example, from 1991 to 2007, the percentage of bankruptcy petitioners age 65 to 74 rose 178 percent. Those figures reflect trends before the recession began in 2008, so it’s fair to assume the situation has worsened in the past few years due to job losses, diminished retirement portfolios and housing equity.

The new healthcare reform law aims to provide some relief to the elderly. For example, the notorious doughnut hole — that’s the gap in Medicare D prescription drug coverage for beneficiaries with high expenses — will be closed between now and 2020.

The Affordable Care Act (ACA) also improves the Extra Help prescription drug subsidy for low-income seniors, which pays 100 percent of premiums for enrollees with annual income of $16,245 a year (single) or $21,855 (married couples).

ACA also adds free preventive care visits to Medicare starting next year, which should help head off catastrophic cost for some patients through early intervention."

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Looks like 30 million Americans are headed into the dumpsters with the help of Republicans. Tsk!

Republicans said, "they would propose limiting the money and personnel available to the Internal Revenue Service, so the agency could not aggressively enforce provisions that require people to obtain health insurance and employers to help pay for it.

They plan to use spending bills to block federal insurance regulations to which they object. And they will try to limit access to government-subsidized private health plans that include coverage of abortion.

The House Republican whip, Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, described the strategy this way: “If all of Obamacare cannot be immediately repealed, then it is my intention to begin repealing it piece by piece, blocking funding for its implementation and blocking the issuance of the regulations necessary to implement it.”

Yeah...we've gotta make damned-sure retirees DON'T take-advantage of abortion-coverage!!! ​

"The study was conducted by Professor John Pottow, an expert on bankruptcy at the University of Michigan Law School. He found that even though the elderly account for a relatively small share of overall bankruptcy filings, the growth rate in their filings has been dramatic. For example, from 1991 to 2007, the percentage of bankruptcy petitioners age 65 to 74 rose 178 percent. Those figures reflect trends before the recession began in 2008, so it’s fair to assume the situation has worsened in the past few years due to job losses, diminished retirement portfolios and housing equity.

The new healthcare reform law aims to provide some relief to the elderly. For example, the notorious doughnut hole — that’s the gap in Medicare D prescription drug coverage for beneficiaries with high expenses — will be closed between now and 2020.

The Affordable Care Act (ACA) also improves the Extra Help prescription drug subsidy for low-income seniors, which pays 100 percent of premiums for enrollees with annual income of $16,245 a year (single) or $21,855 (married couples).

ACA also adds free preventive care visits to Medicare starting next year, which should help head off catastrophic cost for some patients through early intervention."

 

[Mr. Shaman]

It is simply hilarious that people not only say - but actually believe - that anyone who opposed the HCR act of 2010 doesn't want health care reform.
This is a HUGE misnomer.
Myself, among many fiscal conservatives...wait for it...absolutely support addressing healthcare concerns.
I 100% want there to be actions taken to address numerous problems in the industry.
The difference is:
We want whatever actions are to be taken, must be paid for legitimately.
We want the high costs to be addressed, and are against increasing costs before addressing DECREASING cost.
We want more Americans to be covered, we want safety nets - basically we want most of the items that liberals also want.

The key difference is - we want it to be done with out having to borrow more money...or increasing costs for the productive to cover the unproductive in a long term manner.

You may also want to keep the government out of the equation. Once they get their paws on it then it's a one way road to total control of everybody's lives.

Horseshit.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.

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....OR....you could go the riskier-route!!​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

It is simply hilarious that people not only say - but actually believe - that anyone who opposed the HCR act of 2010 doesn't want health care reform.
This is a HUGE misnomer.
Myself, among many fiscal conservatives...wait for it...absolutely support addressing healthcare concerns.
I 100% want there to be actions taken to address numerous problems in the industry.
The difference is:
We want whatever actions are to be taken, must be paid for legitimately.
We want the high costs to be addressed, and are against increasing costs before addressing DECREASING cost.
We want more Americans to be covered, we want safety nets - basically we want most of the items that liberals also want.

The key difference is - we want it to be done with out having to borrow more money...or increasing costs for the productive to cover the unproductive in a long term manner.

You may also want to keep the government out of the equation. Once they get their paws on it then it's a one way road to total control of everybody's lives.

Indeed for the most part, except for safety nets.
The best way to address healthcare gaps are to address the economy.
The best healthcare in the world is a full-time employed American whose entire family is covered by an employer.

....And, employers LOVE that!!!

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[Procrustes Stretched]

Republicans to Americans who get ill: Drop Dead.

The GOP Response to Obamacare.

way to go, way to go...