Republican Lie #57: 50% of Americans Pay No Taxes

[Sundial]

Source: http://www.ctj.org/pdf/taxday2009.pdf

In fact, nearly everyone in America pays taxes - including even the poorest people in the country.

 

[Sundial]

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Actually, before you claim to debunk it, you should understand exactly what is said. The claim is that 50% of Americans to not pay income taxes. The reasoning here is that if your taxable income falls under a certain point, your income tax liability drops to $0.00 and you're eligible to be refunded for any payroll taxes collected by the Federal Government.

I don't see that your graph adequately debunks that.

For the record, I've never seen the point of that statement anyways. The Poor end up spending almost 100% of their income, meaning they pay out the nose in sales taxes, FCC taxes on cable and phone, gasoline taxes, etc. So they clearly do pay taxes. It's just that their taxable income falls below the point where the IRS decides it isn't worth squeezing you anymore.

 

[Google]

How does this prove in anyway that as a percentage of income tax returns filed either didn't pay any taxes or because of the amount of tax credits and deductions received a return in excess of what was originally paid.

I guess Yahoo News, notoriously right wing, is incorrect too.

"About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability. That's according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research organization."
Nearly half of US households escape fed income tax - Yahoo! Finance

How about the CNN, you know they are the Republican mouthpiece?

"In 2009, roughly 47% of households, or 71 million, will not owe any federal income tax, according to estimates by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center."

47% of households owe no tax - and their ranks are growing - Sep. 30, 2009

 

[Immanuel]

Actually, before you claim to debunk it, you should understand exactly what is said. The claim is that 50% of Americans to not pay income taxes. The reasoning here is that if your taxable income falls under a certain point, your income tax liability drops to $0.00 and you're eligible to be refunded for any payroll taxes collected by the Federal Government.

I don't see that your graph adequately debunks that.

For the record, I've never seen the point of that statement anyways. The Poor end up spending almost 100% of their income, meaning they pay out the nose in sales taxes, FCC taxes on cable and phone, gasoline taxes, etc. So they clearly do pay taxes. It's just that their taxable income falls below the point where the IRS decides it isn't worth squeezing you anymore.

I think I have seen it both ways.

Some people do qualify it as they do not pay income taxes. Other people don't qualify it that way. It should be spelled out exactly what taxes they are talking about.

Immie

 

[Maple]

Source: http://www.ctj.org/pdf/taxday2009.pdf

In fact, nearly everyone in America pays taxes - including even the poorest people in the country.

We are talking " federal income taxes," not sales or state taxes, " federal income taxes," and yes 47% of American do not pay any federal income taxes. If it is deducted from their payroll taxes it is returned to them in the form of a refund.

 

[CaféAuLait]

Source: http://www.ctj.org/pdf/taxday2009.pdf

In fact, nearly everyone in America pays taxes - including even the poorest people in the country.

We are talking " federal income taxes," not sales or state taxes, " federal income taxes," and yes 47% of American do not pay any federal income taxes. If it is deducted from their payroll taxes it is returned to them in the form of a refund.

In fact many get money they did not pay in, in the form of credits and EIC.

 

[Sundial]

That's Tariffic - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 04/13/10 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

Why doesn't Grandma pay more taxes?

(22% of people don't pay Federal Income Taxes... because they're living off Social Security.)

Link

 

[Sundial]

Actually, before you claim to debunk it, you should understand exactly what is said. The claim is that 50% of Americans to not pay income taxes. The reasoning here is that if your taxable income falls under a certain point, your income tax liability drops to $0.00 and you're eligible to be refunded for any payroll taxes collected by the Federal Government.

I don't see that your graph adequately debunks that.

For the record, I've never seen the point of that statement anyways. The Poor end up spending almost 100% of their income, meaning they pay out the nose in sales taxes, FCC taxes on cable and phone, gasoline taxes, etc. So they clearly do pay taxes. It's just that their taxable income falls below the point where the IRS decides it isn't worth squeezing you anymore.

No, that's not the claim. The claim is that 50% pay no taxes.

If they were to say 50% (or somewhere thereabouts) pay payroll taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, etc... but don't pay income taxes... that would be true.

But that's not what they say.

 

[Sundial]

How does this prove in anyway that as a percentage of income tax returns filed either didn't pay any taxes or because of the amount of tax credits and deductions received a return in excess of what was originally paid.

I guess Yahoo News, notoriously right wing, is incorrect too.

"About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability. That's according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research organization."
Nearly half of US households escape fed income tax - Yahoo! Finance

How about the CNN, you know they are the Republican mouthpiece?

"In 2009, roughly 47% of households, or 71 million, will not owe any federal income tax, according to estimates by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center."

47% of households owe no tax - and their ranks are growing - Sep. 30, 2009

See above.

 

[Charles_Main]

Source: http://www.ctj.org/pdf/taxday2009.pdf

In fact, nearly everyone in America pays taxes - including even the poorest people in the country.

Nobody says they pay no Taxes at all, if they do they are mistaken. They pay no FEDERAL INCOME tax. What is withheld they get back in a return.(about 50% of them actually get much more back than they paid in do to Earned income and child tax credits.) All they pay is FICA and MC and State Income Tax.(Many states no also have Earned income credits that mean many of the 51% pay no State Income tax either, or very little.)

It's not a republican Lie, it is a fact that a short Visit to the IRS web site will confirm.

I am not sure why you made this post. The Debate we are having about Taxes right now. Is Over Raising FEDERAL INCOME tax on the rich. That is why people site the fact that 51% Of Americans last year Paid no Federal income tax, while the top 10% of Earners paid 90% of the total Bill.

 

[Immanuel]

Source: http://www.ctj.org/pdf/taxday2009.pdf

In fact, nearly everyone in America pays taxes - including even the poorest people in the country.

Nobody says they pay no Taxes at all, if they do they are mistaken. They pay no FEDERAL INCOME tax. What is withheld they get back in a return. All they pay is FICA and MC and State Income Tax.

It's not a republican Lie, it is a fact that a short Visit to the IRS web site will confirm.

Not all of us pay state income tax. But, then we do pay property tax. Then again states with SIT also charge property tax.

Immie

 

[Sundial]

Source: http://www.ctj.org/pdf/taxday2009.pdf

In fact, nearly everyone in America pays taxes - including even the poorest people in the country.

Nobody says they pay no Taxes at all, if they do they are mistaken. They pay no FEDERAL INCOME tax. What is withheld they get back in a return. All they pay is FICA and MC and State Income Tax.

It's not a republican Lie, it is a fact that a short Visit to the IRS web site will confirm.

I am not sure why you made this post. The Debate we are having about Taxes right now. Is Over Raising FEDERAL INCOME tax on the rich. That is why people site the fact that 51% Of Americans last year Paid no Federal income tax, while the top 10% of Earners paid 90% of the total Bill.

If you click on the Daily Show link, you will see Fox News talking heads saying "50% pay no taxes" over and over again.

 

[Charles_Main]

Source: http://www.ctj.org/pdf/taxday2009.pdf

In fact, nearly everyone in America pays taxes - including even the poorest people in the country.

Nobody says they pay no Taxes at all, if they do they are mistaken. They pay no FEDERAL INCOME tax. What is withheld they get back in a return. All they pay is FICA and MC and State Income Tax.

It's not a republican Lie, it is a fact that a short Visit to the IRS web site will confirm.

I am not sure why you made this post. The Debate we are having about Taxes right now. Is Over Raising FEDERAL INCOME tax on the rich. That is why people site the fact that 51% Of Americans last year Paid no Federal income tax, while the top 10% of Earners paid 90% of the total Bill.

If you click on the Daily Show link, you will see Fox News talking heads saying "50% pay no taxes" over and over again.

Yes, they say 50% pay no taxes during a discussion where they are talking about FEDERAL INCOME taxes.

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

Unfortunately,many RW talking heads repeat that 50% pay NO TAXES and that's what many dupes believe...it's called spin, and they do it ALL the time, on MANY issues...

 

[Google]

Actually, before you claim to debunk it, you should understand exactly what is said. The claim is that 50% of Americans to not pay income taxes. The reasoning here is that if your taxable income falls under a certain point, your income tax liability drops to $0.00 and you're eligible to be refunded for any payroll taxes collected by the Federal Government.

I don't see that your graph adequately debunks that.

For the record, I've never seen the point of that statement anyways. The Poor end up spending almost 100% of their income, meaning they pay out the nose in sales taxes, FCC taxes on cable and phone, gasoline taxes, etc. So they clearly do pay taxes. It's just that their taxable income falls below the point where the IRS decides it isn't worth squeezing you anymore.

No, that's not the claim. The claim is that 50% pay no taxes.

If they were to say 50% (or somewhere thereabouts) pay payroll taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, etc... but don't pay income taxes... that would be true.

But that's not what they say.

Who is saying that 50% pay zero taxes, please provide link. Just makes shit up

 

[Sundial]

Currently the bottom half pay nothing to DC.

--Grandpa Murked You

If you really want people Paying their Fair Share, then yes, even the Poor need to pay something.

--Charles Main

When these people only pay (for example) $400 in taxes all year long, and then get back $2,400 that equals - NOT. PAYING. TAXES

--hortysir

I wouldn't mind if the beloved poor contributed like, something.

--Soggy In NOLA

$400 paid in taxes...
$2,400 back in 'rebates'...
Net gain of $2,000...

Hmmmm... that must be the 'new tax math' version of 'paying taxes'. I bet a liberal came up with that one.

--Conservative


That's from 5 pages of one thread.

 

[Sundial]

Actually, before you claim to debunk it, you should understand exactly what is said. The claim is that 50% of Americans to not pay income taxes. The reasoning here is that if your taxable income falls under a certain point, your income tax liability drops to $0.00 and you're eligible to be refunded for any payroll taxes collected by the Federal Government.

I don't see that your graph adequately debunks that.

For the record, I've never seen the point of that statement anyways. The Poor end up spending almost 100% of their income, meaning they pay out the nose in sales taxes, FCC taxes on cable and phone, gasoline taxes, etc. So they clearly do pay taxes. It's just that their taxable income falls below the point where the IRS decides it isn't worth squeezing you anymore.

No, that's not the claim. The claim is that 50% pay no taxes.

If they were to say 50% (or somewhere thereabouts) pay payroll taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, etc... but don't pay income taxes... that would be true.

But that's not what they say.

Who is saying that 50% pay zero taxes, please provide link. Just makes shit up

See above. Or click the link I provided on page one.

 

[Google]

Currently the bottom half pay nothing to DC.

--Grandpa Murked You

If you really want people Paying their Fair Share, then yes, even the Poor need to pay something.

--Charles Main

When these people only pay (for example) $400 in taxes all year long, and then get back $2,400 that equals - NOT. PAYING. TAXES

--hortysir

I wouldn't mind if the beloved poor contributed like, something.

--Soggy In NOLA

$400 paid in taxes...
$2,400 back in 'rebates'...
Net gain of $2,000...

Hmmmm... that must be the 'new tax math' version of 'paying taxes'. I bet a liberal came up with that one.

--Conservative


That's from 5 pages of one thread.

Yes, and it is conservatives spinning the facts. Do you really believe the things you post?

 

[Sundial]

Currently the bottom half pay nothing to DC.

--Grandpa Murked You

If you really want people Paying their Fair Share, then yes, even the Poor need to pay something.

--Charles Main

When these people only pay (for example) $400 in taxes all year long, and then get back $2,400 that equals - NOT. PAYING. TAXES

--hortysir

I wouldn't mind if the beloved poor contributed like, something.

--Soggy In NOLA

$400 paid in taxes...
$2,400 back in 'rebates'...
Net gain of $2,000...

Hmmmm... that must be the 'new tax math' version of 'paying taxes'. I bet a liberal came up with that one.

--Conservative


That's from 5 pages of one thread.

Yes, and it is conservatives spinning the facts. Do you really believe the things you post?

umm... What?

Are you saying, "Of course conservatives lie. Don't you lie too?"

The answer is: "No. I may make mistakes, but I don't lie."