Republican bill stops funding to states issuing DL's to illegals

[Unkotare]

...

I criticize people who can help themselves....

Like you?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

... But they stay under the income level to continue being on the dole. ....

Like you're doing now?

I'm not doing anything now but waiting.

 

[JoeB131]

People don't realize it, but in spite of laws, age and medical discrimination take place.

Yes, it does. The reason why I'm liberal today is my Romney-loving boss said that he felt I was to old to retrain, then boasted about how he "didn't have to deal with a union".

They are virtually worthless because it's almost impossible to prove, especially when everything is done online today.

That's what you get for getting rid of unions and encouraging right to work, at-will employment and all the other Employer Friendly things out there. Hoist on your own petard, my boy!

I worked for one guy years ago (he was Jewish so I know you'll get a kick out of this) who avoided hiring single young women. His fear was they will be having families soon, and their absence from work would be very disruptive. Plus he was concerned about the cost of child birth and what that would do to his medical insurance costs. He hired a few, but most of the office workers were woman with several children, and many of them middle-aged.

Not sure why I'd get a kick out of him being Jewish... I've found the worst employers I've had were Christians. The best were non-Americans. So there's that. But again, when you guys spent years gutting worker protection laws, why are you surprised.

I've been looking around for a new job the last several years. In spite of my outstanding record, few wold even respond to my reply. So what are my chances of getting a job in an entirely new field of work at this age even with training? And if I could find somebody to hire me at this age, how long would I be working for them, a year or so?

Again, find yourself a good resume writer and career coach. It actually takes work and a positive attitude. I've helped women who've been out of the workplace for years, guys with convictions, people with disabilities...

Are you going to get a job paying exactly what you were? Probably not. Still better than disability? Yup.

Really? So what happened to all the money I put in?

Went to other retirees and people with disabilities.

I used to deliver to the inner-city at times. The streets are loaded with younger and middle-aged people during normal working hours. Yes, many of them do stay on welfare their entire life; maybe not that particular program, but other programs as well. Do they work? Yes, some do. But they stay under the income level to continue being on the dole. I've seen it several times with customers of ours who hire temps. How long have I been talking about my HUD neighbors? Yes, they are still here, and will probably be on HUD the rest of their lives.

I'm not sure how you could know someone's whole life story observing them while passing buy in a truck. You can go with your anecdotes, I have to go with the statistics. Most are off in 36 months.

Again, and these are "Poor People" welfare programs, the bottom of the Safety Net. We spend a lot more on Middle Class Entitlements - Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment insurance, Veteran's benefits.

We're all against the socialism the other guy gets.

I don't consider a bunch of bureaucrats as experts on road safety. When they took the decision for me to work away from my doctor, that's when the trouble started. From there they kept adding more and more red tape until it got to the point I'm at now. If my job were still open and I was able to go back, I'd be at work tomorrow morning instead of home.

It sounds to me like they were trying to make accomedations for you as long as they could. I wouldn't look at an 18 wheeler behind me on the Eisenhower and want to think, "Is that guy on Eight medications, or only seven?"

 

[Unkotare]

... But they stay under the income level to continue being on the dole. ....

Like you're doing now?

I'm not doing anything now but waiting.

With the rest of the welfare queens.

 

[beagle9]

And that's exactly what I'm doing.

Collecting welfare from the hated government is not exactly picking yourself up, bud.

I'm using any and all resources I have for survival. It's not welfare when you pay into a system your entire life. This is your precious safety net system, the one you adore so much. Yet when somebody uses it that really needs it through no fault of their own, all of a sudden, you're against it. You are only for it when welfare queens get on them and stay on them the rest of their lives popping out kid after kid. That you have no problem with.

I didn't choose to be put out of a job and career, government made that choice for me. I will not choose to be put on disability, government will make that choice for me. Don't complain about me when government keeps setting me back. I've been fighting for the last couple of years to work, now they defeated me. There is little I can do at this point.

Yep, and when government starts giving you that disability check, then they really watch you like a hawk to ensure that you do NOTHING to defraud them by working. Isn't it just amazing the way the whole thing is set up ? It dis-insentivizes the situation that would help a person to maybe find their way back into the workforces.

 

[JoeB131]

With the rest of the welfare queens.

Dude, lay off... I'm critical or Ray, but you need to chill

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And that's exactly what I'm doing.

Collecting welfare from the hated government is not exactly picking yourself up, bud.

I'm using any and all resources I have for survival. It's not welfare when you pay into a system your entire life. This is your precious safety net system, the one you adore so much. Yet when somebody uses it that really needs it through no fault of their own, all of a sudden, you're against it. You are only for it when welfare queens get on them and stay on them the rest of their lives popping out kid after kid. That you have no problem with.

I didn't choose to be put out of a job and career, government made that choice for me. I will not choose to be put on disability, government will make that choice for me. Don't complain about me when government keeps setting me back. I've been fighting for the last couple of years to work, now they defeated me. There is little I can do at this point.

Yep, and when government starts giving you that disability check, then they really watch you like a hawk to ensure that you do NOTHING to defraud them by working. Isn't it just amazing the way the whole thing is set up ? It dis-insentivizes the situation that would help a person to maybe find their way back into the workforces.

It doesn't work like that. One of my tenants is on disability, and he works. Like with regular Social Security, they gave him a limit of $1,300 a month gross. Not much, but it helps him out. Plus the guy never leaves his house, so I was happy when he did get the job.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

... But they stay under the income level to continue being on the dole. ....

Like you're doing now?

I'm not doing anything now but waiting.

With the rest of the welfare queens.

Yeah, right, with the rest of the welfare queens. That's what I'm up to, so suck it up buttercup. I'll be thinking about you when you go to work in the morning. How do you like them apples?

 

[j-mac]

What does a Drivers License have to do with immigration?

It just makes sure drivers have the proper skills and training?

Easy, if you make it easier in America for illegals to operate, then they have no reason to become legal citizens...Just because you give illegals DL's doesn't mean that they are educated on how to drive in America, nor does it mean that they carry the proper insurance....My daughter found that out when two illegals hit her car, and even though they were responsible, she had to take care of her damage because they didn't carry insurance...

 

[beagle9]

People don't realize it, but in spite of laws, age and medical discrimination take place.

Yes, it does. The reason why I'm liberal today is my Romney-loving boss said that he felt I was to old to retrain, then boasted about how he "didn't have to deal with a union".

They are virtually worthless because it's almost impossible to prove, especially when everything is done online today.

That's what you get for getting rid of unions and encouraging right to work, at-will employment and all the other Employer Friendly things out there. Hoist on your own petard, my boy!

I worked for one guy years ago (he was Jewish so I know you'll get a kick out of this) who avoided hiring single young women. His fear was they will be having families soon, and their absence from work would be very disruptive. Plus he was concerned about the cost of child birth and what that would do to his medical insurance costs. He hired a few, but most of the office workers were woman with several children, and many of them middle-aged.

Not sure why I'd get a kick out of him being Jewish... I've found the worst employers I've had were Christians. The best were non-Americans. So there's that. But again, when you guys spent years gutting worker protection laws, why are you surprised.

I've been looking around for a new job the last several years. In spite of my outstanding record, few wold even respond to my reply. So what are my chances of getting a job in an entirely new field of work at this age even with training? And if I could find somebody to hire me at this age, how long would I be working for them, a year or so?

Again, find yourself a good resume writer and career coach. It actually takes work and a positive attitude. I've helped women who've been out of the workplace for years, guys with convictions, people with disabilities...

Are you going to get a job paying exactly what you were? Probably not. Still better than disability? Yup.

Really? So what happened to all the money I put in?

Went to other retirees and people with disabilities.

I used to deliver to the inner-city at times. The streets are loaded with younger and middle-aged people during normal working hours. Yes, many of them do stay on welfare their entire life; maybe not that particular program, but other programs as well. Do they work? Yes, some do. But they stay under the income level to continue being on the dole. I've seen it several times with customers of ours who hire temps. How long have I been talking about my HUD neighbors? Yes, they are still here, and will probably be on HUD the rest of their lives.

I'm not sure how you could know someone's whole life story observing them while passing buy in a truck. You can go with your anecdotes, I have to go with the statistics. Most are off in 36 months.

Again, and these are "Poor People" welfare programs, the bottom of the Safety Net. We spend a lot more on Middle Class Entitlements - Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment insurance, Veteran's benefits.

We're all against the socialism the other guy gets.

I don't consider a bunch of bureaucrats as experts on road safety. When they took the decision for me to work away from my doctor, that's when the trouble started. From there they kept adding more and more red tape until it got to the point I'm at now. If my job were still open and I was able to go back, I'd be at work tomorrow morning instead of home.

It sounds to me like they were trying to make accomedations for you as long as they could. I wouldn't look at an 18 wheeler behind me on the Eisenhower and want to think, "Is that guy on Eight medications, or only seven?"

So many rebuttals to your utopic fantasy world lived in, but so little time. Good grief.

Helping to stop recidivism is the key to it all, but that isn't applied in everything although it should be. If something is broken fix it, and that ain't what's been happening over a long period of time.

It's not the one on several different meds that would scare me, but rather it's the one on no meds while having those hidden problems that scare me. That is being or has been taken care of in the new deal, so although there is lots more drivers being delt with, it's getting better and better. Ray's age and long term service to his country should have him on easy Street now in regards to what's owed him for his services. It's all these new generational characters attempting to scam the system or have been scamming the system for years that creates the rub for those who have paid their dues.

The only ones I see crying are those who have a disrespect for those like Ray, and it's all because of politics or political biases instead of what's right in regards to ones service regardless of ones politics or political leans in life.

 

[beagle9]

And that's exactly what I'm doing.

Collecting welfare from the hated government is not exactly picking yourself up, bud.

I'm using any and all resources I have for survival. It's not welfare when you pay into a system your entire life. This is your precious safety net system, the one you adore so much. Yet when somebody uses it that really needs it through no fault of their own, all of a sudden, you're against it. You are only for it when welfare queens get on them and stay on them the rest of their lives popping out kid after kid. That you have no problem with.

I didn't choose to be put out of a job and career, government made that choice for me. I will not choose to be put on disability, government will make that choice for me. Don't complain about me when government keeps setting me back. I've been fighting for the last couple of years to work, now they defeated me. There is little I can do at this point.

Yep, and when government starts giving you that disability check, then they really watch you like a hawk to ensure that you do NOTHING to defraud them by working. Isn't it just amazing the way the whole thing is set up ? It dis-insentivizes the situation that would help a person to maybe find their way back into the workforces.

It doesn't work like that. One of my tenants is on disability, and he works. Like with regular Social Security, they gave him a limit of $1,300 a month gross. Not much, but it helps him out. Plus the guy never leaves his house, so I was happy when he did get the job.

Yes, but as I said earlier, it still dis-insentivizes people to be all that they can be for their nation, otherwise regardless of this subsidizing their income at a late age in life, in which should be given them with no restrictions added if earned that income subsidy over their lifetime of service to their country. Ok so it starts at this amount given, and progresses forward like having a trickle trust fund, but no work restrictions should be in play.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's what you get for getting rid of unions and encouraging right to work, at-will employment and all the other Employer Friendly things out there. Hoist on your own petard, my boy!

Either way I wouldn't have a job. It's hard to work at a place that's closed down because of unions. Trust me, we lost a lot of customers back in the union days.

Not sure why I'd get a kick out of him being Jewish... I've found the worst employers I've had were Christians. The best were non-Americans. So there's that. But again, when you guys spent years gutting worker protection laws, why are you surprised.

Come on Joe, this isn't the first time we discussed politics. I know your feelings about Jewish people and so does everybody else on USMB. What workers protection laws did we remove? If anything, it seems like there were more and more instituted as time went on. Worse than that is even more enforcement.

Again, find yourself a good resume writer and career coach. It actually takes work and a positive attitude. I've helped women who've been out of the workplace for years, guys with convictions, people with disabilities...

Are you going to get a job paying exactly what you were? Probably not. Still better than disability? Yup.

I'm not expecting to find a job making what I was. I'd accept enough that I can live on. Van delivery jobs are paying on the average of $9.00 per hour, and have physical demands like weight I can no longer lift. There are non-CDL trucks that pay about the same. Again, a lot of physical requirements.

Went to other retirees and people with disabilities.

There you go. I supported those people, now I'm not supposed to get anything when I need it?

I'm not sure how you could know someone's whole life story observing them while passing buy in a truck. You can go with your anecdotes, I have to go with the statistics. Most are off in 36 months.

Your graph was from the heart of the recession until things got a little better. Plus Republican Governors began making requirements for people on food stamps that had no dependents. Most of them dropped out of the program. It turned out they weren't that hungry after all.

I never stated that most are lifelong dependents, but there are enough of them around that doesn't seem to bother you people on the left, and those are the people who found ways to scam the system.

A guy I work with moved in a few houses down from me. When I made a delivery to where he works, I asked if he was renting or did he buy the house? He told me HUD was providing it. He went on to say it's under his girlfriends name. She has three kids and stays home. He lives with her for free minus paying his share of the utilities and food.

Then one day I seen they were moving out. When I seen him again, he told me his GF didn't like living on a main street, so she complained to HUD, and they got her a nice house on a residential side street about a mile away. This goes on all the time.

I also find it hypocritical when you tell me I can't evaluate people on the street during normal working hours, yet you can evaluate me about going on disability.

It sounds to me like they were trying to make accomedations for you as long as they could. I wouldn't look at an 18 wheeler behind me on the Eisenhower and want to think, "Is that guy on Eight medications, or only seven?"

You never had to worry about me. Worry much more about these foreigners behind the wheel of a truck. My outstanding driving record speaks for itself.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And that's exactly what I'm doing.

Collecting welfare from the hated government is not exactly picking yourself up, bud.

I'm using any and all resources I have for survival. It's not welfare when you pay into a system your entire life. This is your precious safety net system, the one you adore so much. Yet when somebody uses it that really needs it through no fault of their own, all of a sudden, you're against it. You are only for it when welfare queens get on them and stay on them the rest of their lives popping out kid after kid. That you have no problem with.

I didn't choose to be put out of a job and career, government made that choice for me. I will not choose to be put on disability, government will make that choice for me. Don't complain about me when government keeps setting me back. I've been fighting for the last couple of years to work, now they defeated me. There is little I can do at this point.

Yep, and when government starts giving you that disability check, then they really watch you like a hawk to ensure that you do NOTHING to defraud them by working. Isn't it just amazing the way the whole thing is set up ? It dis-insentivizes the situation that would help a person to maybe find their way back into the workforces.

It doesn't work like that. One of my tenants is on disability, and he works. Like with regular Social Security, they gave him a limit of $1,300 a month gross. Not much, but it helps him out. Plus the guy never leaves his house, so I was happy when he did get the job.

Yes, but as I said earlier, it still dis-insentivizes people to be all that they can be for their nation, otherwise regardless of this subsidizing their income at a late age in life, in which should be given them with no restrictions added if earned that income subsidy over their lifetime of service to their country. Ok so it starts at this amount given, and progresses forward like having a trickle trust fund, but no work restrictions should be in play.

If there were no restriction, then people who could would be working 50 hours a week and collecting at the same time. If you can work 50 hours a week, chances are you are not that disabled.

He works at Giant Eagle grocery store. I don't know if they have them where you live, but it's the biggest outfit here. They are always bugging him to work more hours. He simply told them that he couldn't. For one, he can only work so long, and two, it would be like working for free since anything over his limit would be deducted from his disability check.

After he got the job, they cut his Medicare subsidies even though he's within the earning limit. The screwed up thinking is that you cannot have an income during the application process, but once accepted, they allow you to work within the limits. You have to be careful when you apply.

One of my coworkers told me not to try and collect unemployment. That's what his sister-in-law did, and she was refused disability because you honestly have to be seeking work to collect unemployment. Their conclusion is that if she was collecting, she had to be looking for a job, and therefore, was able to work.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What does a Drivers License have to do with immigration?

It just makes sure drivers have the proper skills and training?

Easy, if you make it easier in America for illegals to operate, then they have no reason to become legal citizens...Just because you give illegals DL's doesn't mean that they are educated on how to drive in America, nor does it mean that they carry the proper insurance....My daughter found that out when two illegals hit her car, and even though they were responsible, she had to take care of her damage because they didn't carry insurance...

The last accident I had was with a Mexican. I don't know if he was legal or not. I was at a stop light on the street I worked at. All of a sudden, BOOM! The guy was hard to understand, but was pleading with me not to call the police. I told him I had no choice.

The cops came, and by that time, his passenger took off. I don't know if it was because he was an illegal, or perhaps had a warrant out. In any case, I told the officer what happened. The officer asked the guy if he seen me sitting at the stop light? The guy said he did, but he virtually had no brakes on his van. The cop wrote him a ticket and let him go.

His insurance did cover the damage, but WTF is he allowed to drive a vehicle with no brakes, and why didn't they check on his legal status?

 

[JoeB131]

It's not the one on several different meds that would scare me, but rather it's the one on no meds while having those hidden problems that scare me. That is being or has been taken care of in the new deal, so although there is lots more drivers being delt with, it's getting better and better. Ray's age and long term service to his country should have him on easy Street now in regards to what's owed him for his services. It's all these new generational characters attempting to scam the system or have been scamming the system for years that creates the rub for those who have paid their dues.

Why should Ray be entitled to anything more than what his employer paid him? Sorry, driving a truck is not "Service to the country".

The only difference between Ray and other people is he's white and there for "entitled". That's it. The funny thing is, you guys have no problem with white, middle class entitlements, but the pittance we spend on welfare... well, we just can't have that!

The only ones I see crying are those who have a disrespect for those like Ray, and it's all because of politics or political biases instead of what's right in regards to ones service regardless of ones politics or political leans in life.

I've said, I feel bad for Ray's situation. But you know what, he's not crippled. He's white and Male and intelligent enough to do customer service or data entry.

 

[Unkotare]

... But they stay under the income level to continue being on the dole. ....

Like you're doing now?

I'm not doing anything now but waiting.

With the rest of the welfare queens.

Yeah, right, with the rest of the welfare queens. That's what I'm up to, so suck it up buttercup. I'll be thinking about you when you go to work in the morning. How do you like them apples?

As long as you’re FINALLY being honest with yourself.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I've said, I feel bad for Ray's situation. But you know what, he's not crippled. He's white and Male and intelligent enough to do customer service or data entry.

It's more than just being able to work, it's being able to make a living. You don't have to be wheelchair bound to collect disability. It's for people who had their income disrupted due to physical or mental challenges. Like I was telling Beagle, I know people on disability that do work. It's acceptable by Social Security.

In fact, the agent I spoke with stated I could hit the lottery, and it wouldn't disrupt my disability check unless I demand they stopped sending them to me.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why should Ray be entitled to anything more than what his employer paid him? Sorry, driving a truck is not "Service to the country".

The only difference between Ray and other people is he's white and there for "entitled". That's it. The funny thing is, you guys have no problem with white, middle class entitlements, but the pittance we spend on welfare... well, we just can't have that!

Who said anything about being entitled to what I was making? Disability doesn't work like that. The only thing you get from disability is the amount you'd receive at retirement. That's it. The only real advantage is after a year on the program, I can apply for Medicare coverage, which is relatively reasonably priced.

 

[Unkotare]

I've said, I feel bad for Ray's situation. But you know what, he's not crippled. He's white and Male and intelligent enough to do customer service or data entry.

, I know people on disability that do work. It's acceptable by Social Security.

....

But you refuse to.

 

[beagle9]

Collecting welfare from the hated government is not exactly picking yourself up, bud.

I'm using any and all resources I have for survival. It's not welfare when you pay into a system your entire life. This is your precious safety net system, the one you adore so much. Yet when somebody uses it that really needs it through no fault of their own, all of a sudden, you're against it. You are only for it when welfare queens get on them and stay on them the rest of their lives popping out kid after kid. That you have no problem with.

I didn't choose to be put out of a job and career, government made that choice for me. I will not choose to be put on disability, government will make that choice for me. Don't complain about me when government keeps setting me back. I've been fighting for the last couple of years to work, now they defeated me. There is little I can do at this point.

Yep, and when government starts giving you that disability check, then they really watch you like a hawk to ensure that you do NOTHING to defraud them by working. Isn't it just amazing the way the whole thing is set up ? It dis-insentivizes the situation that would help a person to maybe find their way back into the workforces.

It doesn't work like that. One of my tenants is on disability, and he works. Like with regular Social Security, they gave him a limit of $1,300 a month gross. Not much, but it helps him out. Plus the guy never leaves his house, so I was happy when he did get the job.

Yes, but as I said earlier, it still dis-insentivizes people to be all that they can be for their nation, otherwise regardless of this subsidizing their income at a late age in life, in which should be given them with no restrictions added if earned that income subsidy over their lifetime of service to their country. Ok so it starts at this amount given, and progresses forward like having a trickle trust fund, but no work restrictions should be in play.

If there were no restriction, then people who could would be working 50 hours a week and collecting at the same time. If you can work 50 hours a week, chances are you are not that disabled.

He works at Giant Eagle grocery store. I don't know if they have them where you live, but it's the biggest outfit here. They are always bugging him to work more hours. He simply told them that he couldn't. For one, he can only work so long, and two, it would be like working for free since anything over his limit would be deducted from his disability check.

After he got the job, they cut his Medicare subsidies even though he's within the earning limit. The screwed up thinking is that you cannot have an income during the application process, but once accepted, they allow you to work within the limits. You have to be careful when you apply.

One of my coworkers told me not to try and collect unemployment. That's what his sister-in-law did, and she was refused disability because you honestly have to be seeking work to collect unemployment. Their conclusion is that if she was collecting, she had to be looking for a job, and therefore, was able to work.

Now wait a minute Ray, what happened to I worked all my life, so I deserve it or where did my money go says you ???? Come on Ray, quit contradicting yourself in these post.

It seems that one minute you are angry at the government, and the next minute you are defending it against your best interest. LOL.