Religious Right Wing Bigots Still Obsessing About Marriage-Get a Life!

[Mikeoxenormous]

Dear TheProgressivePatriot
They don't want beliefs they don't agree with endorsed, established, imposed or enforced through Govt.
Even if you don't get the mechanism in their thinking behind this,
just know
it's roughtly parallel (not exactly the same)
as you NOT wanting churches to get law enforcement power.
That's crossing a line where you understand these should stay separate.
Well, that's how they see same sex marriage beliefs
going too far by getting involved with government.
That crosses the line for them.

More of you usual convoluted blather where you seem to be trying to placate both sides of the issue.
"They don't want beliefs they don't agree with endorsed, established, imposed or enforced through Gov"? To damned bad. Np one is imposing anything on them . The "beliefs " that they don't agree with is treating a group of people with respect, dignity and equality.

My position on granting a church police powers is in no way equivalent. I want to keep religion out of government, they wan government based on religion

So it is okay for Homosexuality to be in government, wow, talk about a fucking hypocrite.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I would like to offer my sincerest apologies to all those whose marriages were lessened and/or destroyed as a result of mine.

Just glad as hell that your gene pool ends with you.

 

[mdk]

I would like to offer my sincerest apologies to all those whose marriages were lessened and/or destroyed as a result of mine.

Just glad as hell that your gene pool ends with you.

I am glad I can give you glimpse of happiness b/c Lord knows you desperately need it.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I really have to wonder about people who devote their so called lives to trying to deny others what they can take for granted- Specifically marriage. Meet Brian Brown of the National Organization for (Straight ) Marriage who is obsessing about Mayor Pete Buttigieg and who thinks that he can get marriage equality reversed:

I think most people overall are past the gay marriage debate and accept the fact that it's here to stay. It's a minority of extremists, mostly religious zealots, who are still fighting this losing battle.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I really have to wonder about people who devote their so called lives to trying to deny others what they can take for granted- Specifically marriage. Meet Brian Brown of the National Organization for (Straight ) Marriage who is obsessing about Mayor Pete Buttigieg and who thinks that he can get marriage equality reversed:

I think most people overall are past the gay marriage debate and accept the fact that it's here to stay. It's a minority of extremists, mostly religious zealots, who are still fighting this losing battle.

Yeah, wait till the US goes full Islam as Ilham Omar wants. Liberals are just stupid as hell, wanting people like that living here. Oh well, I have yet to see a liberal do the right thing...if you know what I mean.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I really have to wonder about people who devote their so called lives to trying to deny others what they can take for granted- Specifically marriage

NOBODY has denied you the right to marry.

Rock Hudson married.

Even homos can have a ceremony and PRETEND its marriage (but we all know not).

Since the left likes to drag Jesus into these debates, here is how HE defined marriage.

For this reason (marriage) shall a man leave his father and his mother and be united with his WIFE, and the two shall become one.

Two guys living in sin is NOT marriage

Fuck Jesus' definition of marriage. This is a secular constitutional republic. The issue is government recognition of marriage and the legal and financial benefits that go with that. It's about the equal treatment of two groups who- in the language of the courts- are similarly situated. It's about due process and equal protection under the law.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I really have to wonder about people who devote their so called lives to trying to deny others what they can take for granted- Specifically marriage. Meet Brian Brown of the National Organization for (Straight ) Marriage who is obsessing about Mayor Pete Buttigieg and who thinks that he can get marriage equality reversed:

I think most people overall are past the gay marriage debate and accept the fact that it's here to stay. It's a minority of extremists, mostly religious zealots, who are still fighting this losing battle.

Thank you but obviously not everyone is.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I think most people overall are past the gay marriage debate and accept the fact that it's here to stay. It's a minority of extremists, mostly religious zealots, who are still fighting this losing battle.

Yeah, wait till the US goes full Islam as Ilham Omar wants. Liberals are just stupid as hell, wanting people like that living here. Oh well, I have yet to see a liberal do the right thing...if you know what I mean.

Muslims make up 1% of the American population. Where is this threat of full Islam you're wetting your pants over?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I really have to wonder about people who devote their so called lives to trying to deny others what they can take for granted- Specifically marriage. Meet Brian Brown of the National Organization for (Straight ) Marriage who is obsessing about Mayor Pete Buttigieg and who thinks that he can get marriage equality reversed:

Mayor Pete’s Marriage is Bogus and the Trumpified SCOTUS Will Agree, Says Brian Brown | Right Wing Watch

You would have thought that the NOM would have closed up shop after they, and other such organizations got slapped down with the Obergefell decision. But, they are still here. I guess that you have to give them credit for perseverance. Or, is it a religious psychosis manifested by obsessive compulsive focus on other people's marriages. ? Lets see what he has to say:

In a Friday afternoon fundraising email from the National Organization for Marriage, Brown slammed Buttigieg’s marriage as illegitimate: “Mr. Buttigieg may consider himself married to another man, but that relationship is not marriage, and no judicial decree or political act can ever make it so.”

So Brian, suck it up and shut up.....and work on your own life while you're at it .


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TheProgressivePatriot

Although I generally agree with your sentiment towards the religious right (because god said so, or it says in the Bible are remarkable lame comments), I disagree with the marriage equality thing. Marriage has always been defined as a union between a man and a woman. Gays and lesbians had the same right to marry a person of the opposite sex as any straight person. What you and others wanted was a change in the definition of marriage (you got it btw, the issue is over in my view), which I find dangerous. I have no issue with two dudes, or two women being joined in some sort of union. I just don’t like redefining civil institutions to pacify or placate a special interest. I think it sets a bad precedent.

Gays and lesbians had the same right to marry a person of the opposite sex as any straight person. ?Complete and utter stupidity and bigotry!

When one makes the absurd statement that “gays already have equality “because they can, like anyone else, marry someone of the opposite sex, they are presuming that a gay person can decide to live as a straight person and have a fulfilling life with someone of the opposite sex. The other possibility is that you do not believe that fulfillment or love in marriage is a right or a reasonable expectation., at least not for gays. In any case they are, in effect dehumanizing gay people, portraying them as being devoid of emotion and the ability to love and desire another person as heterosexuals do.

In addition, they are reducing the institution of marriage to a loveless business arrangement while for the vast majority of people it is much more. It devalues marriage in a way, much more profoundly than feared by the anti-equality bigots, who bemoan the demise of traditional marriage simply because it is being expanded to include gays.

Heterosexuals are able to choose a marriage partner based in part on sexual attraction and romantic interests. That is a choice, that gay people do not have, if denied legal marriage. Sure they can choose to forgo marriage in order to be with the person who they desire, but to do so would require that they forfeit the legal security, economic benefits and social status that goes with marriage That, is really not much of a choice at all and many courts have agreed.

One of the best illustrations of that is the opinion of the 10th Circuit Court of appeals ruling to uphold the lower court which invalidated Utah’s ban on same sex marriage. Selected passages follow:

APPEAL FROM THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF UTAH (D.C. No. 2:13-CV-00217-RJS)

Kitchen V. Herbert http://www.scribd.com/doc/231295932/Utah-Gay-Marriage


On cross motions for summary judgment, the district court ruled in favor of the plaintiffs. It concluded that “[a]ll citizens, regardless of their sexual identity, have a fundamental right to liberty, and this right protects an individual’s ability to marry and the intimate choices a person makes about marriage and family.” Kitchen v. Herbert, 961 F. Supp. 2d1181, 1204 (D. Utah 2013).


Two landmark decisions by the Supreme Court have undermined the notion that the question presented in Baker v. Nelson ( which was overturned by the Obergefell decision) is insubstantial. Baker was decided before the Supreme Court held that “intimate conduct with another person . . . can be but one element in a personal bond that is more enduring The liberty protected by the Constitution allows homosexual persons the right to make this choice.” Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, (pg. 17)

Windsor is the other case referred to above

DOMA “impose[d] a disadvantage, a separate status, and so a stigma upon all who enter into same-sex marriages . . . .” Id. The statute “undermine[d] both the public and private significance of state-sanctioned same-sex marriages” by telling “those couples, and all the world, that their otherwise valid marriages are unworthy of federal recognition.” Id (pg.21)

It is already apparent that the courts see marriage as much more than a impersonal business arrangement. Even prisoners have the right to marry:

The Turner Court’s description of the “important attributes of marriage [that] remain . . . after taking into account the limitations imposed by prison life,” 482 U.S. at 95, is relevant to the case at bar: First, inmate marriages, like others, are expressions of emotional support and public commitment…………. (pg 29)


We must reject appellants’ efforts to downplay the importance of the personal elements inherent in the institution of marriage, which they contend are “not the principal interests the State pursues by regulating marriage.”

We nonetheless agree with plaintiffs that in describing the liberty interest at stake, it is impermissible to focus on the identity or class-membership of the individual exercising the right. See De Leon, 2014 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 26236, at *58-59


A state “cannot define marriage in a way that denies its citizens the freedom of personal choice in deciding whom to marry, nor may it deny the same status and dignity to each citizen’s decision” (quotations omitted)). “Simply put, fundamental rights are fundamental rights. They are not defined in terms of who is entitled to exercise them.” Pg.37)
In summary, we hold that under the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the United States Constitution, those who wish to marry a person of the same sex are entitled to exercise the same fundamental right as is recognized for persons who wish to marry a person of the opposite sex, and that Amendment 3 and similar statutory enactments do not withstand constitutional scrutiny.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I really have to wonder about people who devote their so called lives to trying to deny others what they can take for granted- Specifically marriage

NOBODY has denied you the right to marry.

Rock Hudson married.

Even homos can have a ceremony and PRETEND its marriage (but we all know not).

Since the left likes to drag Jesus into these debates, here is how HE defined marriage.

For this reason (marriage) shall a man leave his father and his mother and be united with his WIFE, and the two shall become one.

Two guys living in sin is NOT marriage

Fuck Jesus' definition of marriage. This is a secular constitutional republic. The issue is government recognition of marriage and the legal and financial benefits that go with that. It's about the equal treatment of two groups who- in the language of the courts- are similarly situated. It's about due process and equal protection under the law.

You wish this was a secular constitutional republic, that is what the Marxist want, but this has been a Judeo-Christian country since its founding, but you queers cant have that be, because then your whole liberal argument is up the ass. But you fucking sorry ass liberals, have so bastardized this country that every Christian who says anything against homosexuality and you are there trying to shut(shout) them down.
Fuck you all, I have been around since the beginning of the coming out, and if all that money hadn't gone into queer government coffers, homosexuality would still be a mental case. Yeah, I know, a man looking at another man's ass and wanting to put his dick in it is so normal.

Proof That America Was Founded As A Christian Nation – International Cops for Christ



Cultural Marxism and the War on the Family - CultureWatch

Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
-Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression.
-Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
-Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
-Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

-Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”
-Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
-Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
-Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I really have to wonder about people who devote their so called lives to trying to deny others what they can take for granted- Specifically marriage. Meet Brian Brown of the National Organization for (Straight ) Marriage who is obsessing about Mayor Pete Buttigieg and who thinks that he can get marriage equality reversed:

Mayor Pete’s Marriage is Bogus and the Trumpified SCOTUS Will Agree, Says Brian Brown | Right Wing Watch

You would have thought that the NOM would have closed up shop after they, and other such organizations got slapped down with the Obergefell decision. But, they are still here. I guess that you have to give them credit for perseverance. Or, is it a religious psychosis manifested by obsessive compulsive focus on other people's marriages. ? Lets see what he has to say:

In a Friday afternoon fundraising email from the National Organization for Marriage, Brown slammed Buttigieg’s marriage as illegitimate: “Mr. Buttigieg may consider himself married to another man, but that relationship is not marriage, and no judicial decree or political act can ever make it so.”

So Brian, suck it up and shut up.....and work on your own life while you're at it .


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TheProgressivePatriot

Despite what the moral relativists have led you to believe, marriage is a sacred union between a biological man and a biological woman. Come after perhaps the most ancient and hallowed institution in human history you might tarnish it some but in the end, look out! There'll be quite a price to pay sooner or later.

We have had same sex marriage for a while now. Do tell, what price have we paid? An appeal to tradition and appeal to fear and ignorance logical fallacy does not make your case.

 

[Unkotare]

In other news, the divorce rate in the United States for the younger generation is falling steadily. Seems like a good thing.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I really have to wonder about people who devote their so called lives to trying to deny others what they can take for granted- Specifically marriage. Meet Brian Brown of the National Organization for (Straight ) Marriage who is obsessing about Mayor Pete Buttigieg and who thinks that he can get marriage equality reversed:

Mayor Pete’s Marriage is Bogus and the Trumpified SCOTUS Will Agree, Says Brian Brown | Right Wing Watch

You would have thought that the NOM would have closed up shop after they, and other such organizations got slapped down with ....]

You guys never stopped. For you to smear someone else for not stopping, is utter hypocrisy.

We never stopped what.? Defending the civil rights of LGBT people? Why the fuck should we stop. ?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I really have to wonder about people who devote their so called lives to trying to deny others what they can take for granted- Specifically marriage. Meet Brian Brown of the National Organization for (Straight ) Marriage who is obsessing about Mayor Pete Buttigieg and who thinks that he can get marriage equality reversed:

Mayor Pete’s Marriage is Bogus and the Trumpified SCOTUS Will Agree, Says Brian Brown | Right Wing Watch

You would have thought that the NOM would have closed up shop after they, and other such organizations got slapped down with the Obergefell decision. But, they are still here. I guess that you have to give them credit for perseverance. Or, is it a religious psychosis manifested by obsessive compulsive focus on other people's marriages. ? Lets see what he has to say:

In a Friday afternoon fundraising email from the National Organization for Marriage, Brown slammed Buttigieg’s marriage as illegitimate: “Mr. Buttigieg may consider himself married to another man, but that relationship is not marriage, and no judicial decree or political act can ever make it so.”

So Brian, suck it up and shut up.....and work on your own life while you're at it .


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TheProgressivePatriot

Why is the government even involved in marriage?

I mean, why give people state perks based upon who you decide to have sex with?

Makes no sense.

The answer is that the People thought the country and culture has an interest in the success of the family.

The result of losing that understanding should be self-evident

Same sex couples have children and are families

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

I really have to wonder about people who devote their so called lives to trying to deny others what they can take for granted- Specifically marriage. Meet Brian Brown of the National Organization for (Straight ) Marriage who is obsessing about Mayor Pete Buttigieg and who thinks that he can get marriage equality reversed:

Mayor Pete’s Marriage is Bogus and the Trumpified SCOTUS Will Agree, Says Brian Brown | Right Wing Watch

You would have thought that the NOM would have closed up shop after they, and other such organizations got slapped down with the Obergefell decision. But, they are still here. I guess that you have to give them credit for perseverance. Or, is it a religious psychosis manifested by obsessive compulsive focus on other people's marriages. ? Lets see what he has to say:

In a Friday afternoon fundraising email from the National Organization for Marriage, Brown slammed Buttigieg’s marriage as illegitimate: “Mr. Buttigieg may consider himself married to another man, but that relationship is not marriage, and no judicial decree or political act can ever make it so.”

So Brian, suck it up and shut up.....and work on your own life while you're at it .


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TheProgressivePatriot

Why is the government even involved in marriage?

I mean, why give people state perks based upon who you decide to have sex with?

Makes no sense.

The answer is that the People thought the country and culture has an interest in the success of the family.

The result of losing that understanding should be self-evident

Same sex couples have children and are families

They do not "have children"

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I really have to wonder about people who devote their so called lives to trying to deny others what they can take for granted- Specifically marriage. Meet Brian Brown of the National Organization for (Straight ) Marriage who is obsessing about Mayor Pete Buttigieg and who thinks that he can get marriage equality reversed:

Mayor Pete’s Marriage is Bogus and the Trumpified SCOTUS Will Agree, Says Brian Brown | Right Wing Watch

You would have thought that the NOM would have closed up shop after they, and other such organizations got slapped down with the Obergefell decision. But, they are still here. I guess that you have to give them credit for perseverance. Or, is it a religious psychosis manifested by obsessive compulsive focus on other people's marriages. ? Lets see what he has to say:

In a Friday afternoon fundraising email from the National Organization for Marriage, Brown slammed Buttigieg’s marriage as illegitimate: “Mr. Buttigieg may consider himself married to another man, but that relationship is not marriage, and no judicial decree or political act can ever make it so.”

So Brian, suck it up and shut up.....and work on your own life while you're at it .


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TheProgressivePatriot

Why is the government even involved in marriage?

I mean, why give people state perks based upon who you decide to have sex with?

Makes no sense.

The answer is that the People thought the country and culture has an interest in the success of the family.

The result of losing that understanding should be self-evident

Same sex couples have children and are families

They do not "have children"

Really? How fucking ignorant is that ? They come to be in the care of children in a variety of ways , just like heterosexuals. They are parents. They have families!

 

[Correll]

I really have to wonder about people who devote their so called lives to trying to deny others what they can take for granted- Specifically marriage. Meet Brian Brown of the National Organization for (Straight ) Marriage who is obsessing about Mayor Pete Buttigieg and who thinks that he can get marriage equality reversed:

Mayor Pete’s Marriage is Bogus and the Trumpified SCOTUS Will Agree, Says Brian Brown | Right Wing Watch

You would have thought that the NOM would have closed up shop after they, and other such organizations got slapped down with ....]

You guys never stopped. For you to smear someone else for not stopping, is utter hypocrisy.

We never stopped what.? Defending the civil rights of LGBT people? Why the fuck should we stop. ?

You never stopped pushing your agenda despite getting slapped down, and it being settled law.


That you smear them for doing the same, is just utter hypocrisy.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I really have to wonder about people who devote their so called lives to trying to deny others what they can take for granted- Specifically marriage. Meet Brian Brown of the National Organization for (Straight ) Marriage who is obsessing about Mayor Pete Buttigieg and who thinks that he can get marriage equality reversed:

Mayor Pete’s Marriage is Bogus and the Trumpified SCOTUS Will Agree, Says Brian Brown | Right Wing Watch

You would have thought that the NOM would have closed up shop after they, and other such organizations got slapped down with ....]

You guys never stopped. For you to smear someone else for not stopping, is utter hypocrisy.

We never stopped what.? Defending the civil rights of LGBT people? Why the fuck should we stop. ?

You never stopped pushing your agenda despite getting slapped down, and it being settled law.


That you smear them for doing the same, is just utter hypocrisy.

I got slapped down really? They are doing the same? WTF? Gays and their advocates are defending against aggressors who are trying to take away rights. How the fuck is that the same?

 

[Correll]

I really have to wonder about people who devote their so called lives to trying to deny others what they can take for granted- Specifically marriage. Meet Brian Brown of the National Organization for (Straight ) Marriage who is obsessing about Mayor Pete Buttigieg and who thinks that he can get marriage equality reversed:

Mayor Pete’s Marriage is Bogus and the Trumpified SCOTUS Will Agree, Says Brian Brown | Right Wing Watch

You would have thought that the NOM would have closed up shop after they, and other such organizations got slapped down with ....]

You guys never stopped. For you to smear someone else for not stopping, is utter hypocrisy.

We never stopped what.? Defending the civil rights of LGBT people? Why the fuck should we stop. ?

You never stopped pushing your agenda despite getting slapped down, and it being settled law.


That you smear them for doing the same, is just utter hypocrisy.

I got slapped down really? They are doing the same? WTF? Gays and their advocates are defending against aggressors who are trying to take away rights. How the fuck is that the same?

Save your spin for your fellow lefties at your next circle jerk.



Yes, you lefteis got slapped down often, and you kept coming back, until you found a lefty enough judge to give you want you wanted.


It is the same, and you are just being a hypocrite.


That you can't see it, even when your face is rubbed in it, is because you are a blind hypocrite.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I really have to wonder about people who devote their so called lives to trying to deny others what they can take for granted- Specifically marriage. Meet Brian Brown of the National Organization for (Straight ) Marriage who is obsessing about Mayor Pete Buttigieg and who thinks that he can get marriage equality reversed:

Mayor Pete’s Marriage is Bogus and the Trumpified SCOTUS Will Agree, Says Brian Brown | Right Wing Watch

You would have thought that the NOM would have closed up shop after they, and other such organizations got slapped down with ....]

You guys never stopped. For you to smear someone else for not stopping, is utter hypocrisy.

We never stopped what.? Defending the civil rights of LGBT people? Why the fuck should we stop. ?

You never stopped pushing your agenda despite getting slapped down, and it being settled law.


That you smear them for doing the same, is just utter hypocrisy.

I got slapped down really? They are doing the same? WTF? Gays and their advocates are defending against aggressors who are trying to take away rights. How the fuck is that the same?

Save your spin for your fellow lefties at your next circle jerk.



Yes, you lefteis got slapped down often, and you kept coming back, until you found a lefty enough judge to give you want you wanted.


It is the same, and you are just being a hypocrite.


That you can't see it, even when your face is rubbed in it, is because you are a blind hypocrite.

A lefty judge? Are you fucking serious. Numerous judges at all levels shot down bans on same sex marriage before it reached SCOTUS where Kennedy cast the deciding vote Do you consider Justice Anthony Kennedy a lefty. ? Thank you for demonstrating your pathetic and profound ignorance of what took place.