Racist Aphartied State

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    Can someone explain to me..
    what 's the difference between Israel and what South Afrika was like when it was a racist aphartied state-ruled by the southafrikaaners? - and why is it that the SAfrikaaners got sanctioned and Israel gets 10 billion$ a year? And why do the AMericans say they wan't 'freedom and democarcy' for Arabs in Iraq and then they cram the Palestinians in these disgusting bantustan slums while the settlers live it up on American funding.. no wonder the Iraqi's don't trust the Americans..
     
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    First, Arabs have all the same rights as Israelis do in Israel. That is not reciprocated in Arab countries.
    Second, Americans are not forcing Palestinian Arabs to live in refugee camps. No Arab country will allow the immigration of Palestinian Arabs. And Israel already allow Palestinian Arabs to live peacefully within Israel.
    Both of these points are so much different than South Africa that your point is really ridiculous...
     
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    Oh yea it's not racists.. BS!:

    FACT: There are NO civil rights laws in Israel itself like you have in America, it is completly legal to discriminate, I'm talking about Israel itself and it's Arab-Israeli citizens who face widespread racism, and there ID cards/passports idetify them as 'Arabs' so everytime they are checked they are discriminated against and harrased.

    FACT: The Palestinians in the illegally occupied territories are confined to overcrowded impoverished bantustans and often face famine, their water is often dirty and turned-off for days at a time while the settlers have swimming pools and water their lawns. Even before the wall it was aphartied as they were confined to check-points and not allowed to go to Jerusalem unless they had a pass.

    FACT: The Palestinians in the territories are denied citizenship of the state, they are classified as 3rd class 'inhabitants' if they leave the territories for more than 2 years, to work or for whatever, Israel bans them from living in the territory forever, they are only allowed a visa to come back and visit their families and then they are deported again.

    FACT: Israel is NOT a democracy and is by definition facists- a state where non-jews must live under the feet of the racist-zionist-jews who consider themselves 'the chosen people' and consider all other people to be inferior to them.

    Approximately 92% of the surface of the State of Israel within the
    Green Line is for all purposes closed to Palestinians who are
    second-class citizens in Israel. They may neither legally live on such
    land, nor rent or cultivate it. A direct effect of these policies is
    that native non-Jewish citizens of Israel are in practice denied
    residence and membership rights in the collective settlements,
    kibbutzim. Non-Jews are discriminated against in many other ways: The
    Government starves local authorities of Palestinian villages and
    townships of funds; in some communities Palestinians are unwelcome or
    forced to live in ghettos; Jewish families receive higher child
    allocations than their non-Jewish neighbors, Palestinian schools
    suffer underfunding and understaffing (as compared to Jewish schools);
    Palestinian children are forced to learn their own history and
    literature as interpreted by Zionists; Israelis who struggle for equal
    rights and for the end of racial discrimination, are regularly and in
    many ways harassed by the authorities.

    The State of Israel refuses to acknowledge itself as the State of all
    its inhabitants. Although Israeli governments have never openly
    endorsed the `transfer' idea (the forced removal from the country of
    its native Palestinian population, that is, its ultimate Judaization),
    Israeli government policies, such as inducing emigration of non-Jews
    and forced underdevelopment of the Palestinian sector, have since the
    establishment of Israel borne the mark of this ultimate aim. No
    serious attempt is made by the Zionist authorities to integrate
    Palestinian Arabs into Israeli public life. Thus, although comprising
    approximately 20% of the population of Israeli citizens, no
    Palestinian citizen of Israel has ever served as Cabinet member, as
    director of a Ministry or of a national institution, as judge of the
    Supreme Court, as ambassador of Israel, or in any position of power in
    Israeli economic or financial life. Even Arab Members of Parliament
    (Knesset) are systematically excluded from serving in 'sensitive'
    Parliamentarian committees, solely because of their ethny. In this
    'enlightened democracy of the Middle East', as Israel is often called,
    a Jew cannot legally marry a non-Jew. Since its establishment in 1948,
    Israeli governments have consistently rejected demands by the secular
    public for the institution of civil marriage. Although intimate
    relations between Jews and Arabs are legal, they are frowned upon by
    Zionist society as 'befriending the enemy', something near treason.


    Oh heres an Idea: since the racist Israelis get $10 billion US taxpayer monet every month and most-favored trade benefits, why not require them to extend EQUAL-RIGHTS to it's people instead of being so racist and becoming a bi-national state, if they don't do it they get sanctioned like S. Afrikaa was, or at least require them to end the aphartied by withdrawing ALL military and settlements from the illegally occupied territory?

    Because the American republican-democrats themselves are racists so they support a racist aphartied state, after all these are the same people who brought you slavery-segregation, genocide against indeginous Americans- now they export their racism by supporting israel.
     
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    Sources? :rolleyes:
     
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    Heres one:

    http://www.nimn.org/

    they are Jews and even they say Israel is racist.. see the link on the page:

    'baraks generous offer'

    I will take time now to find more sources for my posts and not post for a while

    And I don't think there's anything wrong with comparing Israels segregationist Likud party and the NRP to the Ku Klux Klan, to a Palestinian it's the same kind of racism, even worse

    you want a source for that, look at the Newsweek issue (it's froma few months ago' where they show a map of Sharons 'aphartied' wall and it describes the Palestinian Cantons as 'Bantustans' also look at Time magazine's Dec. 15 issue in which the escribe the Geneva Accords, which the Palestinians and Yasser Arafat accepted and the Americans and Israelis rejected, anything that would give the Palestinians just a little bit of Freedom, the USA Govt. and Israel reject, and I say it's because they are dominated by racist politians..
     
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    I could respond but won't. I could find the links he's referring to, if they exist, but I won't, HEY I'M NOT GETTING PAID FOR THIS! :p:
     
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    well said.
     
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    With whom are you agreeing?
     
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    Oh you're good!
     
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    We are aware that the Israeli-Palestinian situation sucks. The radical Arabs hate Israel and Israel hates them. It appears to me that the Palestinians are caught in the middle and are not accepted by anyone . If the US stopped giving support to ALL parties involved in this conflict , do you think there would be a peaceful resolution?
     

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