Racism

[Pennywise]

You are what you are. Why are you trying to get me to call you a racist?

And you are what you are. Regardless, you had my comment quoted along with someone else, and then made disparaging remarks. All I want to know is if you referred to me, or if that was just part of the quoting feature.

I'd like to know exactly whom I am speaking with.

I don't understand why you want me to call you a racist. Do you think I would have a problem calling you out if that is what I thought?

Yeah, you are suspect...especially considering your idiotic holocaust denier beliefs...but you are only suspect. We are just waiting for you to define yourself.

Stop being a pussy. Say what you want to say, no need to dance around the edge of the ballroom acting smug. I want to know if I'm talking to an asshole or just a fella. Which is it?

 

[Nutz]

And you are what you are. Regardless, you had my comment quoted along with someone else, and then made disparaging remarks. All I want to know is if you referred to me, or if that was just part of the quoting feature.

I'd like to know exactly whom I am speaking with.

I don't understand why you want me to call you a racist. Do you think I would have a problem calling you out if that is what I thought?

Yeah, you are suspect...especially considering your idiotic holocaust denier beliefs...but you are only suspect. We are just waiting for you to define yourself.

Um...wouldn't a holocaust denier be an anti-semite, not a racist???

Isn't that sweet...PW needs a teaper idiot to come to his defense. Typical behavior by your ilk.

 

[Ernie S.]

What race are you? I can tell you are lacking in the intellectual arena and am curious to know which race we should blame.

What race are you? I can tell you are lacking in the kindness and compassion area and an curious to know which race we should blame.

Ah nevermind. I'm not going to blame a race because of your heartless behavior. Then I'd be heartless and stupid.

I'm pretty sure you already are.

Though I didn't realize that you believe that races have intellectual differences. Is that a religious belief?

No. It's an intellectual belief. Then I can read. Can you?

LINK
Rushton & Jensen (2005) write that, in the United States, self-identified blacks and whites have been the subjects of the greatest number of studies. They state that the black-white IQ difference is about 15 to 18 points or 1 to 1.1 standard deviations (SDs), which implies that between 11 and 16 percent of the black population have an IQ above 100 (the general population median). According to Arthur Jensen and J. Philippe Rushton the black-white IQ difference is largest on those components of IQ tests that are claimed best to represent the general intelligence factor g.[43] The 1996 APA report "Intelligence: Knowns and Unknowns" and the 1994 editorial statement "Mainstream Science on Intelligence" gave more or less similar estimates.[44][45] Roth et al. (2001), in a review of the results of a total of 6,246,729 participants on other tests of cognitive ability or aptitude, found a difference in mean IQ scores between blacks and whites of 1.1 SD. Consistent results were found for college and university application tests such as the Scholastic Aptitude Test (N = 2.4 million) and Graduate Record Examination (N = 2.3 million), as well as for tests of job applicants in corporate sections (N = 0.5 million) and in the military (N = 0.4 million).[46]

North East Asians have tended to score relatively higher on visuospatial subtests with lower scores in verbal subtests while Ashkenazi Jews score higher in verbal and reasoning subtests with lower scores in visuospatial subtests. The few Amerindian populations who have been systematically tested, including Arctic Natives, tend to score worse on average than white populations but better on average than black populations.[46]

The racial groups studied in the United States and Europe are not necessarily representative samples for populations in other parts of the world. Cultural differences may also factor in IQ test performance and outcomes. Therefore, results in the United States and Europe do not necessarily correlate to results in other populations.[47]

 

[Pennywise]

Here's a question:
Let's say I am walking up the street about midnight and see 4 white kids walking towards me.
I decide that it is prudent to cross over to the other side. Am I a racist, or a realist?

According to YOU, a realist, because you think the Neo Nazis are prowling around looking to dump your sorry ass toot sweet.

Toot sweet???

But you are right...we should be careful around the Germans.

Yes, because the crime stats in the US show that we all are much more likely to eat a curb sandwich from Edward Norton, than get knifed by a young black male.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Don't know you pennywise or anything about you. I'm not saying you are a racist.

But I have found that a lot of racists try to imagine that there is this huge gray area about what is and what is not real racism.

I know a cottage industry has sprung up that supports people who scream "racism" when no real racism exists.

I also know that it is very rare for racists to admit that they are racists.

It doesn't matter. It's not rocket science. I - and the overwhelming majority of people - are capable of spotting real (and fake) racism when we see it.

Here's a question:
Let's say I am walking up the street about midnight and see 4 black kids walking towards me.
I decide that it is prudent to cross over to the other side. Am I a racist, or a realist?

Unless they are wearing ministers' garb with white collars, cross the street. And of course they are going to call you a racist.

That's not racism. That's fear. Is the fear justified? You have no way of knowing if the only information you have is skin color.

 

[Nutz]

And you are what you are. Regardless, you had my comment quoted along with someone else, and then made disparaging remarks. All I want to know is if you referred to me, or if that was just part of the quoting feature.

I'd like to know exactly whom I am speaking with.

I don't understand why you want me to call you a racist. Do you think I would have a problem calling you out if that is what I thought?

Yeah, you are suspect...especially considering your idiotic holocaust denier beliefs...but you are only suspect. We are just waiting for you to define yourself.

Stop being a pussy. Say what you want to say, no need to dance around the edge of the ballroom acting smug. I want to know if I'm talking to an asshole or just a fella. Which is it?

I said what I wanted to say. Why do you want me to call you a racist? I just said you weren't. Do you have reading comprehension issues? Wait, you are a holocaust denier, so obviously you do have some reading issues.

Again, why do you want to call you a racist?

 

[kaz]

I don't understand why you want me to call you a racist. Do you think I would have a problem calling you out if that is what I thought?

Yeah, you are suspect...especially considering your idiotic holocaust denier beliefs...but you are only suspect. We are just waiting for you to define yourself.

Um...wouldn't a holocaust denier be an anti-semite, not a racist???

Isn't that sweet...PW needs a teaper idiot to come to his defense. Typical behavior by your ilk.

Typical liberal, stupid as the day is long. Just so you know, you're on a message board. If you want to have a private conversation, you can PM or go to a chat room.

 

[Nutz]

According to YOU, a realist, because you think the Neo Nazis are prowling around looking to dump your sorry ass toot sweet.

Toot sweet???

But you are right...we should be careful around the Germans.

Yes, because the crime stats in the US show that we all are much more likely to eat a curb sandwich from Edward Norton, than get knifed by a young black male.

It depends on who you are and where you are walking. I would say if you are a white man walking at midnight in the ghetto...you are an idiot and an utter failure in life.

 

[Erand7899]

The problem is how one defines "racism", because for many, the mere acknowledgement that there are real genetic differences in the human race that can be classified by group, is "racism". I always laugh when people will refuse to admit that there are intellectual differences along with the physical.

Jesus, post #2 goes full on ignorant bigot right out of the starting gate.

No build up, no mincing words, just vomits out the white pride psuedo-intellect bullshit.


Tell us about the real genetic intellectual differences in the human race.

Race and genetics
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The relationship between race and genetics is relevant to the controversy concerning race. In everyday life many societies classify populations into groups based on phenotypical traits and impressions of probable geographic ancestry and socio-economic status - these are the groups we tend to call "races". Because the patterns of variation of human genetic traits are clinal, with a gradual change in trait frequency between population clusters, it is possible to statistically correlate clusters of physical traits with individual geographic ancestry. The frequencies of alleles tend to form clusters where populations live closely together and interact over periods of time. This is due to endogamy within kin groups and lineages or national, cultural or linguistic boundaries. This causes genetic clusters to correlate statistically with population groups when a number of alleles are evaluated. Different clines align around the different centers, resulting in more complex variations than those observed comparing continental groups.

For example if a person has light skin, light hair and blue eyes, a combination of traits that seems to have evolved in Northern Europe and is found at a high frequency there, it is probable that person has some recent European ancestry. And by extension, according to the racial categories in use in North America that person is likely to be classified by others, and to self-identify, as "white". In a similar way, Genetic analysis enables us to determine the geographic ancestry of a person pinpointing the migrational history of a person's ancestors with a high degree of accuracy, and by inference the probable racial category into which they will be classified in a given society. In that way there is a distinct statistical correlation between gene frequencies and racial categories. However, because all populations are genetically diverse, and because there is a complex relation between ancestry, genetic makeup and phenotype, and because racial categories are based on subjective evaluations of the traits, it is not the case that there are any specific genes, that can be used to determine a person's race.

Research in genetics offers a means to classify humans which is more precise than broad phenotypically based racial categories, given that genetics can provide a much more complex analysis of individual genetic makeup and geographic ancestry, than self identified membership of a racial category. With a blood transfusion, for example, it is vital to know the genetically determined blood type of the donor and recipient, but it is not helpful to know their respective geographic ancestries. Most physical anthropologists consider race to be primarily a social category that does not correspond significantly with biological variation, but some anthropologists, particularly forensic anthropologists, consider race a useful biological category. They argue that it is possible to determine race from physical remains with a reasonable degree of certainty; what is identified is the geographic phenotype. Medical practitioners also sometimes argue that racial categories can be used successfully as proxies to assess risk of those different heritable illnesses that occur with different frequencies among populations of different geographic ancestries. Others argue that this use may be problematic because it risks underestimating risks of individuals from ethno-racial categories that are not considered high-risk, and to overestimate the risk in populations that are, resulting in stigmatization.

Race and intelligence
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The connection between race and intelligence has been a subject of debate in both popular science and academic research since the inception of IQ testing in the early 20th century. The debate concerns the interpretation of research findings that American test takers identifying as "White" tend on average to score higher than test takers of African ancestry on IQ tests, and subsequent findings that test takers of East Asian background tend to score higher than whites. It is still not resolved what relation, if any, there is between group differences in IQ and race.

The first test showing differences in IQ test results between different population groups in the US was the tests of United States Army recruits in World War I. In the 1920s groups of eugenics lobbyists argued that this demonstrated that these groups were of inferior intellect to Anglo-Saxon whites due to innate biological differences, using this as an argument for policies of racial segregation. Soon, other studies appeared, contesting these conclusions and arguing instead that the Army tests had not adequately controlled for the environmental factors such as socio-economic and educational inequality between African-Americans and Whites. The debate reemerged again in 1969, when Arthur Jensen championed the view that for genetic reasons Africans were less intelligent than whites and that compensatory education for African-American children was therefore doomed to be ineffective. In 1994, the book The Bell Curve, argued that social inequality in America could largely be explained as a result of IQ differences between races and individuals rather than being their cause, and rekindled the public and scholarly debate with renewed force. During the debates following the book's publication the American Anthropological Association and the American Psychological Association (APA) published official statements regarding the issue, both highly skeptical of some of the book's claims, although the APA report called for more empirical research on the issue.

In subsequent decades much research has been published about the relationships between hereditary influences on IQ, group differences in intelligence, race, environmental influences on IQ. Particularly contentious in the ongoing debate has been the definition of both the concept "race" and the concept "intelligence", and especially whether they can in fact be objectively defined and operationalized. While several environmental factors have been shown to affect group differences in intelligence, it has not been demonstrated that they can explain the entire disparity. But on the other hand, no genetic factor has been conclusively shown to have a causal relation with group difference in intelligence test scores. Recent summaries of the debate call for more research into the topic to determine the relative contributions of environmental and genetic factors in explaining the apparent IQ disparity among racial groups.

Perhaps some quality reading would shed some light on this controversial issue.

Before anyone can argue that IQ tests demonstrate a difference in intelligence between individuls or groups, one must understand that few, if any, IQ tests actually measure intelligence. Mostly, they measure knowledge and intelectual training. Intelligence is an inate trait, that can be improved by education and training, but it has to be there in the first place. Some humans are born more intelligent than others, but that fact has nothing to do with race, nor ethnic background.

 

[Nutz]

Um...wouldn't a holocaust denier be an anti-semite, not a racist???

Isn't that sweet...PW needs a teaper idiot to come to his defense. Typical behavior by your ilk.

Typical liberal, stupid as the day is long. Just so you know, you're on a message board. If you want to have a private conversation, you can PM or go to a chat room.

Great, I guess that means another teaper idiot is going to stalk me.

Stay close, you might learn something.

 

[Pennywise]

I don't understand why you want me to call you a racist. Do you think I would have a problem calling you out if that is what I thought?

Yeah, you are suspect...especially considering your idiotic holocaust denier beliefs...but you are only suspect. We are just waiting for you to define yourself.

Stop being a pussy. Say what you want to say, no need to dance around the edge of the ballroom acting smug. I want to know if I'm talking to an asshole or just a fella. Which is it?

I said what I wanted to say. Why do you want me to call you a racist? I just said you weren't. Do you have reading comprehension issues? Wait, you are a holocaust denier, so obviously you do have some reading issues.

Again, why do you want to call you a racist?

Holocaust denier, by whose standard? Again, what are the terms of engagement? A person cannot question things like statistics and numbers without being labeled?

 

[nodoginnafight]

It is the pussification of America. Racists are afraid to embrace their idiotology. That is why the Teaper movement began...it is a group where racists can hide their true beliefs and still feel the love from their ilk. It's pretty transparent...that is why the teapers came up with their reverse-cry-racism strategy. Everyone is a racist but a teaper.

except that as an old timer, I can tell you - the "reverse racism" argument was here long, long, long before the tea party was.

No - no...not the reverse racism AA keeps the white man down BS. I am talking about accusing anyone they disagree with as being a racist.

And that's been around even longer.

 

[Nutz]

Stop being a pussy. Say what you want to say, no need to dance around the edge of the ballroom acting smug. I want to know if I'm talking to an asshole or just a fella. Which is it?

I said what I wanted to say. Why do you want me to call you a racist? I just said you weren't. Do you have reading comprehension issues? Wait, you are a holocaust denier, so obviously you do have some reading issues.

Again, why do you want to call you a racist?

Holocaust denier, by whose standard? Again, what are the terms of engagement? A person cannot question things like statistics and numbers without being labeled?

It depends on whether or not you are talking to a teaper who is capable of an honest conversation.

 

[Ernie S.]

Don't know you pennywise or anything about you. I'm not saying you are a racist.

But I have found that a lot of racists try to imagine that there is this huge gray area about what is and what is not real racism.

I know a cottage industry has sprung up that supports people who scream "racism" when no real racism exists.

I also know that it is very rare for racists to admit that they are racists.

It doesn't matter. It's not rocket science. I - and the overwhelming majority of people - are capable of spotting real (and fake) racism when we see it.

Here's a question:
Let's say I am walking up the street about midnight and see 4 black kids walking towards me.
I decide that it is prudent to cross over to the other side. Am I a racist, or a realist?

Here's a question:
Let's say I am walking up the street about midnight and see 4 white kids walking towards me.
I decide that it is prudent to cross over to the other side. Am I a racist, or a realist?

Only problem is that you likely wouldn't even consider crossing the street.

ETA:
Unless of course, you hate whites so bad that you don't want to be near them.

 

[kaz]

Isn't that sweet...PW needs a teaper idiot to come to his defense. Typical behavior by your ilk.

Typical liberal, stupid as the day is long. Just so you know, you're on a message board. If you want to have a private conversation, you can PM or go to a chat room.

Great, I guess that means another teaper idiot is going to stalk me.

Stay close, you might learn something.

I'm a libertarian, not a tea partier, but I suppose you're not going to grasp the difference so teeper works.

I do have a question. So you go on a message board and you think anyone who responds to you is "stalk"ing you? Are you getting help?

 

[Pennywise]

I said what I wanted to say. Why do you want me to call you a racist? I just said you weren't. Do you have reading comprehension issues? Wait, you are a holocaust denier, so obviously you do have some reading issues.

Again, why do you want to call you a racist?

Holocaust denier, by whose standard? Again, what are the terms of engagement? A person cannot question things like statistics and numbers without being labeled?

It depends on whether or not you are talking to a teaper who is capable of an honest conversation.

Non answer. Try again.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Um...wouldn't a holocaust denier be an anti-semite, not a racist???

Anti-Semitism is racism.

 

[Nutz]

Here's a question:
Let's say I am walking up the street about midnight and see 4 black kids walking towards me.
I decide that it is prudent to cross over to the other side. Am I a racist, or a realist?

Here's a question:
Let's say I am walking up the street about midnight and see 4 white kids walking towards me.
I decide that it is prudent to cross over to the other side. Am I a racist, or a realist?

Only problem is that you likely wouldn't even consider crossing the street.

ETA:
Unless of course, you hate whites so bad that you don't want to be near them.

I am not walking in an unfamiliar white trash neighborhood at midnight. That is just stupid. Besides, if those 4 white kids are anything like the pussy brigade on this forum, they would have crossed the street well before me.

 

[Nutz]

Holocaust denier, by whose standard? Again, what are the terms of engagement? A person cannot question things like statistics and numbers without being labeled?

It depends on whether or not you are talking to a teaper who is capable of an honest conversation.

Non answer. Try again.

You should read your posts. Like I said, you define yourself. You are conditioned to believe you are being labeled...but think about it, you are being labeled by the vast majority of the world.

You should stick you head out of that bubble and get some fresh air.

 

[Pennywise]

It depends on whether or not you are talking to a teaper who is capable of an honest conversation.

Non answer. Try again.

You should read your posts. Like I said, you define yourself. You are conditioned to believe you are being labeled...but think about it, you are being labeled by the vast majority of the world.

You should stick you head out of that bubble and get some fresh air.

You think I write without reading? I find it interesting how you in particular worry about things like racism and other blanket beliefs, and you label everyone with whom you disagree.

Here's what I think, as I wrote in my post on page one- you need to define what words mean, otherwise the most innocuous comment about anything will be labeled by a person who takes offense to it, for their own reason.

If I acknowledge the facts of crime statistics, many people will call me a racist. So the terms need to be defined.