Quoting someone from the 'far right'

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    Not too long ago, the Democrats called the man who said this an extreme rightie:
    On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.

    I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?

    And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."​

    Funny how the opposition gets labeled.
     
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    Not long ago, Republicans considered him too right wing to be a valid presidential candidate. Now, sadly, the GOP has moved even further to the right.
     
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    In what way has the GOP moved farther to the right? Socially or fiscally?

    It's just funny to me. He was labeled as far right by his opposition - Dems. You're right, he didn't stand a chance because of that.

    This particular quote might get him labeled as a Democrat today by some in the GOP. Other quotes by him make him one of the first modern day 'Tea Partier' or 'con'.

    And other quotes by him would make him a 'lib'.

    He is, or was, the quintessential social liberal and fiscal conservative. I really think it is important for all of us to be specific in these 'liberal' and 'conservative' labels if we want effective political discussion.
     
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    "Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
    Barry Goldwater


    Not that long ago Barry Goldwater WAS the extreme right. But that was before the GOP was hijacked by far right Christians and far left neoconservatives. The Republican party had liberal Republicans like Nelson Rockefeller, liberal Senators like Jacob Javits, compassionate conservatives like Everett Dirksen. And Barry Goldwater was a compassionate conservative who was good friends with Jack Kennedy. The two men talked about traveling the country together campaigning for President in 1964.

    Who says the GOP was hijacked? A Goldwater Republican who served as press aide to Barry Goldwater He was also a speechwriter and senior advisor to George H. W. Bush...

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    Victor Gold, former speechwriter for George Herbert Walker Bush is a Goldwater conservative...his book explains how the GOP was hijacked away from conservatives by far right theocrats and far left neocons...starting in 1980...

    Book Review:

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    Invasion of the Party Snatchers


    By Victor Gold

    After four decades as a Republican insider, Victor Gold reveals how the holy-rollers and the Neo-Cons have destroyed the GOP. Now he's fighting to get his party back.

    As a man who served as press aide to Barry Goldwater and speechwriter and senior advisor to George H. W. Bush (in addition to co-authoring his autobiography), Victor Gold is absolutely furious that the Neo-Cons and their strange bedfellows, the Evangelical Right, have stolen his party from him. Now he is bringing the fight to them.

    Invasion of the Party Snatchers is a blistering critique not only of the Bush-Cheney administration but also of the Republican Congress. Gold is ready to tell all about the war being waged for the soul of the GOP, including the elder Bush's opinion of his sons work domestically and abroad, the significance of the newly elected Congress, and how Goldwater would have reacted to it all. Gold reveals, among other explosive disclosures, how George W. has been manipulated by his vice president and secretary of defense to become, in Lenin's famous phrase, a "useful idiot" for Neo-Conservative warmongers and Theo-Conservative religious fanatics.

    Although there have been other books by dissident Republicans attacking the Bush-Cheney administrations betrayal of conservative principles, none have been by an insider whose political credentials include inner-circle status with Barry Goldwater and George H. W. Bush.

    Review:
    "Make no mistake: author Gold, a former speechwriter for George H.W. Bush and aide to Barry Goldwater, is one disgusted Republican. The GOP of the 2006 midterm election, he writes, is 'a party of pork-barrel ear-markers like Dennis Hastert, of political hatchet men like Karl Rove, and of Bible-thumping hypocrites like Tom Delay.' Gold looks to Goldwater, 'a straight-talking, freethinking maverick,' as the yardstick by which to measure just how far the party of Lincoln has fallen.

    He traces the beginning of the end to the 1980 Republican National Convention and the presence of 'a militant new element...personified by Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.' The other half of the equation, the neoconservatives, are embodied by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, 'two cuts from the same Machiavellian cloth.' In efficient prose, Gold scrutinizes a significant swath of recent GOP history, in particular Newt Gingrich's 104th Congress and the Bush II White House, without losing momentum.

    He also has choice words for 'the Coulterization of Republican rhetoric,' the revolving door between Capitol Hill and K Street, and 'sideshow' legislation like the Flag Protection Amendment. Gold sees a promising future for the Republican Party, but not until they lose some major elections and are able to keep down a slice of humble pie; for those disillusioned with the state of the GOP, this quick, uncompromising polemic provides substantial support, along with a large dose of cold comfort." Publishers Weekly (Starred Review) (Copyright Reed Business Information, Inc.)

    Synopsis:
    The last real Goldwater conservative in America attacks the current state of his movement and his party.

    Powell's Books - Invasion of the Party Snatchers: How the Holy-Rollers and Neo-Cons Destroyed the GOP by Victor Gold
     
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    I agree that the GOP was highjacked by the religious right, but that does not mean the GOP IS the religious right.

    For those of us who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal - and we make up a large portion of independents and the 'undecided' before big elections - pragmatism forces us to vote either [D] or [R], if we want our vote to count. For many of us, the lesser of two evils is to vote [R] because of our fiscal conservative views. If the Democratic Party wants to win these votes, perhaps attention to fiscal conservatism would be a good idea?

    Just a thought.
     
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    Mo chara, I doubt many of our lefty posters even understand your point. You're gonna need to spell it out for 'em.
     
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    I thought I did?

    :lol:
     
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    No, don't you know? Most of our lefty posters are mentally retarded. :cuckoo:
     
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    Some certainly are, as are some of the rightie posters.
     
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    I watched the GOP go from being right of center fiscally and socially.

    Then the bible thumpers went nuts and the GOP was following what preachers said over what the Constitution said just to get elected. Then fiscal liberals snuck in under the gise of social conservatism [doing it for the chilluns]. Once I realised that, I knew neither party was conservative in any fashion. Neither care about the economy or the Constitution

    They dicker over what to waste money on and what parts of the bible they will enforce or shut down.
     

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