Putin aims to Divide and Conquer

[Sbiker]

Ok, ok

Look at flightradar24 right now. ALL captains of planes are making hook to fly through Russian territory (clinging some of Rebels territory), where "they risk to be downed as MH17 by evil Russian will". No one flying through position of "brave and peaceful Ukrainian army, have no any relations to MH-17 tragedy".

Do you mean, they all are clinical idiots?

Russia is supporting the Russian-speaking rebels in east Ukraine. Rebel commanders obey Russian orders or they are eliminated. Several rebel commanders were murdered in the past two years, the latest reported by THE TIMES on Thursday. "A notorious rebel commander in war torn east Ukraine was killed in an explosion in his office in the separatist stronghold of Donetsk yesterday. Mikhail Tolstykh, 36, better known as Givi, was the top commander in the pro-Russian Donetsk People's Republic. He was killed by a rocket fired from a portable missile launcher." (page 24) The word is the Kremlin was unhappy with him for being a rogue. The newspaper report explained that people in Ukraine were outraged when Russian state television broadcast images of Tolstykh mistreating prisoners. Bad publicity taken care of by some Putin operative.

This simmering civil war, once a convenience for Russia to use proxy rebels to stir-up trouble before Russian troops finally restore order by annexing east Ukraine. Putin seems to be getting the green light to restore order in Ukraine as only the Russians know how from Donald Trump who could not find Donetsk on a map if he tried. But Putin's friendship with the so-called American president does not give the Russian ex-KGB operative a guarantee that European Union battle groups are at full capacity and on alert. Watching with particular attention on Ukraine is the Visegrád Group, including troops from Poland.
Visegrad Group to develop military cooperation with Ukraine

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That's a question to EU. In word you

Ok, ok

Look at flightradar24 right now. ALL captains of planes are making hook to fly through Russian territory (clinging some of Rebels territory), where "they risk to be downed as MH17 by evil Russian will". No one flying through position of "brave and peaceful Ukrainian army, have no any relations to MH-17 tragedy".

Do you mean, they all are clinical idiots?

Russia is supporting the Russian-speaking rebels in east Ukraine. Rebel commanders obey Russian orders or they are eliminated. Several rebel commanders were murdered in the past two years, the latest reported by THE TIMES on Thursday. "A notorious rebel commander in war torn east Ukraine was killed in an explosion in his office in the separatist stronghold of Donetsk yesterday. Mikhail Tolstykh, 36, better known as Givi, was the top commander in the pro-Russian Donetsk People's Republic. He was killed by a rocket fired from a portable missile launcher." (page 24) The word is the Kremlin was unhappy with him for being a rogue. The newspaper report explained that people in Ukraine were outraged when Russian state television broadcast images of Tolstykh mistreating prisoners. Bad publicity taken care of by some Putin operative.

This simmering civil war, once a convenience for Russia to use proxy rebels to stir-up trouble before Russian troops finally restore order by annexing east Ukraine. Putin seems to be getting the green light to restore order in Ukraine as only the Russians know how from Donald Trump who could not find Donetsk on a map if he tried. But Putin's friendship with the so-called American president does not give the Russian ex-KGB operative a guarantee that European Union battle groups are at full capacity and on alert. Watching with particular attention on Ukraine is the Visegrád Group, including troops from Poland.
Visegrad Group to develop military cooperation with Ukraine

.

It's no question, why Russian people upkeeps people at Donbass. It's a question - why Europeans don't upkeep them? Ukraine performing ethnic cleansings, making nazi marches with torches and using nazi symbolic, murdering civilians - and you personally consider, it's normal for "democratic", "multi-culture" and "non-nazi" Europe? Great!

You're reading the Times, but do you know QUALITY of their articles? Givi was not top commander, but coloneul. Not in Donetsk, but in Makeevka. Murdered not by missile launcher, but by flamethrower. Kremlin said about him only they don't have any relations to it. If Kremlin chased Givi - the first step would the close Russian border for them - but Kremlin didn't it. About mistreating prisoners - it's a very non-comfortable topic both for Kremlin and Ukraine, because of Ukrainian forces widely using tortures of civilian, and Givi could do anything even in broadcasts, because the first question would be for SBU anyway...
So, you could check all facts I've sounded through Internet

Sorry to inform you but the internet is full of Russian FAKE NEWS.
If it is in THE TIMES then it is true.

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I understand - it's much more comfortable to you to declare Internet full of fake Russian news, than to feel as one of assisting offenders of nazi, burned alive civilian people in Odessa. Ok, it's your "civil" position, but why do you whining about "Russian threat"? It's only your choice to help nazi, or not to help.

We know that the Russians annexed Crimea and are involved in east Ukraine.
Putin has gone too far and is an outlaw.

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Being outlaw for the laws of nazi is a valour... )

But wait. If Putin outlaw - point me a judgement of any court of EU, made him outlaw. Claiming Putin as outlaw without judgement - you're distributing a slander...

If you consider the will of Crimea people to join with Russia unlawful - return the Kosovo to Serbia first )

 

[Eloy]

Russia is supporting the Russian-speaking rebels in east Ukraine. Rebel commanders obey Russian orders or they are eliminated. Several rebel commanders were murdered in the past two years, the latest reported by THE TIMES on Thursday. "A notorious rebel commander in war torn east Ukraine was killed in an explosion in his office in the separatist stronghold of Donetsk yesterday. Mikhail Tolstykh, 36, better known as Givi, was the top commander in the pro-Russian Donetsk People's Republic. He was killed by a rocket fired from a portable missile launcher." (page 24) The word is the Kremlin was unhappy with him for being a rogue. The newspaper report explained that people in Ukraine were outraged when Russian state television broadcast images of Tolstykh mistreating prisoners. Bad publicity taken care of by some Putin operative.

This simmering civil war, once a convenience for Russia to use proxy rebels to stir-up trouble before Russian troops finally restore order by annexing east Ukraine. Putin seems to be getting the green light to restore order in Ukraine as only the Russians know how from Donald Trump who could not find Donetsk on a map if he tried. But Putin's friendship with the so-called American president does not give the Russian ex-KGB operative a guarantee that European Union battle groups are at full capacity and on alert. Watching with particular attention on Ukraine is the Visegrád Group, including troops from Poland.
Visegrad Group to develop military cooperation with Ukraine

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That's a question to EU. In word you

Russia is supporting the Russian-speaking rebels in east Ukraine. Rebel commanders obey Russian orders or they are eliminated. Several rebel commanders were murdered in the past two years, the latest reported by THE TIMES on Thursday. "A notorious rebel commander in war torn east Ukraine was killed in an explosion in his office in the separatist stronghold of Donetsk yesterday. Mikhail Tolstykh, 36, better known as Givi, was the top commander in the pro-Russian Donetsk People's Republic. He was killed by a rocket fired from a portable missile launcher." (page 24) The word is the Kremlin was unhappy with him for being a rogue. The newspaper report explained that people in Ukraine were outraged when Russian state television broadcast images of Tolstykh mistreating prisoners. Bad publicity taken care of by some Putin operative.

This simmering civil war, once a convenience for Russia to use proxy rebels to stir-up trouble before Russian troops finally restore order by annexing east Ukraine. Putin seems to be getting the green light to restore order in Ukraine as only the Russians know how from Donald Trump who could not find Donetsk on a map if he tried. But Putin's friendship with the so-called American president does not give the Russian ex-KGB operative a guarantee that European Union battle groups are at full capacity and on alert. Watching with particular attention on Ukraine is the Visegrád Group, including troops from Poland.
Visegrad Group to develop military cooperation with Ukraine

.

It's no question, why Russian people upkeeps people at Donbass. It's a question - why Europeans don't upkeep them? Ukraine performing ethnic cleansings, making nazi marches with torches and using nazi symbolic, murdering civilians - and you personally consider, it's normal for "democratic", "multi-culture" and "non-nazi" Europe? Great!

You're reading the Times, but do you know QUALITY of their articles? Givi was not top commander, but coloneul. Not in Donetsk, but in Makeevka. Murdered not by missile launcher, but by flamethrower. Kremlin said about him only they don't have any relations to it. If Kremlin chased Givi - the first step would the close Russian border for them - but Kremlin didn't it. About mistreating prisoners - it's a very non-comfortable topic both for Kremlin and Ukraine, because of Ukrainian forces widely using tortures of civilian, and Givi could do anything even in broadcasts, because the first question would be for SBU anyway...
So, you could check all facts I've sounded through Internet

Sorry to inform you but the internet is full of Russian FAKE NEWS.
If it is in THE TIMES then it is true.

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I understand - it's much more comfortable to you to declare Internet full of fake Russian news, than to feel as one of assisting offenders of nazi, burned alive civilian people in Odessa. Ok, it's your "civil" position, but why do you whining about "Russian threat"? It's only your choice to help nazi, or not to help.

We know that the Russians annexed Crimea and are involved in east Ukraine.
Putin has gone too far and is an outlaw.

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Being outlaw for the laws of nazi is a valour... )

But wait. If Putin outlaw - point me a judgement of any court of EU, made him outlaw. Claiming Putin as outlaw without judgement - you're distributing a slander...

If you consider the will of Crimea people to join with Russia unlawful - return the Kosovo to Serbia first )

The law Putin violated is international. Taking Crimea was making war which was outlawed by Russia and the other allies in Nürnberg in 1945.




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[Sbiker]

That's a question to EU. In word you
It's no question, why Russian people upkeeps people at Donbass. It's a question - why Europeans don't upkeep them? Ukraine performing ethnic cleansings, making nazi marches with torches and using nazi symbolic, murdering civilians - and you personally consider, it's normal for "democratic", "multi-culture" and "non-nazi" Europe? Great!

You're reading the Times, but do you know QUALITY of their articles? Givi was not top commander, but coloneul. Not in Donetsk, but in Makeevka. Murdered not by missile launcher, but by flamethrower. Kremlin said about him only they don't have any relations to it. If Kremlin chased Givi - the first step would the close Russian border for them - but Kremlin didn't it. About mistreating prisoners - it's a very non-comfortable topic both for Kremlin and Ukraine, because of Ukrainian forces widely using tortures of civilian, and Givi could do anything even in broadcasts, because the first question would be for SBU anyway...
So, you could check all facts I've sounded through Internet

Sorry to inform you but the internet is full of Russian FAKE NEWS.
If it is in THE TIMES then it is true.

.

I understand - it's much more comfortable to you to declare Internet full of fake Russian news, than to feel as one of assisting offenders of nazi, burned alive civilian people in Odessa. Ok, it's your "civil" position, but why do you whining about "Russian threat"? It's only your choice to help nazi, or not to help.

We know that the Russians annexed Crimea and are involved in east Ukraine.
Putin has gone too far and is an outlaw.

.

Being outlaw for the laws of nazi is a valour... )

But wait. If Putin outlaw - point me a judgement of any court of EU, made him outlaw. Claiming Putin as outlaw without judgement - you're distributing a slander...

If you consider the will of Crimea people to join with Russia unlawful - return the Kosovo to Serbia first )

The law Putin violated is international. Taking Crimea was making war which was outlawed by Russia and the other allies in Nürnberg in 1945.

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Without number of document, where Putin judged as criminal - you just repeating the propaganda... All your words are absolutely NAKED, like a king from a tale of H.C. Andersen ))

Eloy, as your profile said - you're a teacher... Just switch on a logic, stop translate a stupid propaganda like a bot! Don't believe in me, don't believe in anything, but think self-contained! Wake up! Re-read Orwell!

Joining Crimea in Russia - you could name it how you want - absolutely LEGAL after KOSOVO precedent. Russia follows ALL international laws, not to choose "good" or "bad". But while Russia tried to solve all international problems by law way, EU tries to claim brute force like a main law. Ok, Russia ready for this variant too... Is it really terrible for current infantile Europe to understand - all choices your could made - completely in your hands?

 

[Eloy]

Sorry to inform you but the internet is full of Russian FAKE NEWS.
If it is in THE TIMES then it is true.

.

I understand - it's much more comfortable to you to declare Internet full of fake Russian news, than to feel as one of assisting offenders of nazi, burned alive civilian people in Odessa. Ok, it's your "civil" position, but why do you whining about "Russian threat"? It's only your choice to help nazi, or not to help.

We know that the Russians annexed Crimea and are involved in east Ukraine.
Putin has gone too far and is an outlaw.

.

Being outlaw for the laws of nazi is a valour... )

But wait. If Putin outlaw - point me a judgement of any court of EU, made him outlaw. Claiming Putin as outlaw without judgement - you're distributing a slander...

If you consider the will of Crimea people to join with Russia unlawful - return the Kosovo to Serbia first )

The law Putin violated is international. Taking Crimea was making war which was outlawed by Russia and the other allies in Nürnberg in 1945.

.

Without number of document, where Putin judged as criminal - you just repeating the propaganda... All your words are absolutely NAKED, like a king from a tale of H.C. Andersen ))

Eloy, as your profile said - you're a teacher... Just switch on a logic, stop translate a stupid propaganda like a bot! Don't believe in me, don't believe in anything, but think self-contained! Wake up! Re-read Orwell!

Joining Crimea in Russia - you could name it how you want - absolutely LEGAL after KOSOVO precedent. Russia follows ALL international laws, not to choose "good" or "bad". But while Russia tried to solve all international problems by law way, EU tries to claim brute force like a main law. Ok, Russia ready for this variant too... Is it really terrible for current infantile Europe to understand - all choices your could made - completely in your hands?

You want a document that determined Putin was guilty of making war.
I told you that the crime of waging war was specified at Nürnberg in 1945.
Also known as the crime of aggression, crimes against peace formed the first charge against the Nazis in the 1945 Charter of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg. The charter defined them as “planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy [to do so].”
Crimes of War – Crimes against Peace
The documents of the court are available at the Harvard Library:
Nuremberg - Document Search Results

By planning and invading Crimea which was part of the sovereign country of Ukraine, Putin is guilty.




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[Sbiker]

I understand - it's much more comfortable to you to declare Internet full of fake Russian news, than to feel as one of assisting offenders of nazi, burned alive civilian people in Odessa. Ok, it's your "civil" position, but why do you whining about "Russian threat"? It's only your choice to help nazi, or not to help.

We know that the Russians annexed Crimea and are involved in east Ukraine.
Putin has gone too far and is an outlaw.

.

Being outlaw for the laws of nazi is a valour... )

But wait. If Putin outlaw - point me a judgement of any court of EU, made him outlaw. Claiming Putin as outlaw without judgement - you're distributing a slander...

If you consider the will of Crimea people to join with Russia unlawful - return the Kosovo to Serbia first )

The law Putin violated is international. Taking Crimea was making war which was outlawed by Russia and the other allies in Nürnberg in 1945.

.

Without number of document, where Putin judged as criminal - you just repeating the propaganda... All your words are absolutely NAKED, like a king from a tale of H.C. Andersen ))

Eloy, as your profile said - you're a teacher... Just switch on a logic, stop translate a stupid propaganda like a bot! Don't believe in me, don't believe in anything, but think self-contained! Wake up! Re-read Orwell!

Joining Crimea in Russia - you could name it how you want - absolutely LEGAL after KOSOVO precedent. Russia follows ALL international laws, not to choose "good" or "bad". But while Russia tried to solve all international problems by law way, EU tries to claim brute force like a main law. Ok, Russia ready for this variant too... Is it really terrible for current infantile Europe to understand - all choices your could made - completely in your hands?

You want a document that determined Putin was guilty of making war.
I told you that the crime of waging war was specified at Nürnberg in 1945.
Also known as the crime of aggression, crimes against peace formed the first charge against the Nazis in the 1945 Charter of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg. The charter defined them as “planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy [to do so].”
Crimes of War – Crimes against Peace
The documents of the court are available at the Harvard Library:
Nuremberg - Document Search Results

By planning and invading Crimea which was part of the sovereign country of Ukraine, Putin is guilty.

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The crime of waging war was specified at Nurnberg 1945? Seriously? Could you prove your words by documents?

Ok... waging war... But Putin is not waging war!!! Where you could find war at Crimea? How it related?

There are another war at Ukraine territory at Donbass. Waging by Poroshenko from west and rebels from east side. Where's Putin there? Let's start from Poroshenko? No? "Cat is left their kitchen - it's a Putin's guilty too? ))"

By planning and invading Crimea which was part of the sovereign country of Ukraine, Putin is guilty.

Ha-ha-ha... Wihout official documents It's just your "opinion", inducted by propaganda... Hiding the fact of nazi state, existing at your, European territory....

And your conscience knows it better, than you That's why you afraid of Russia. That's why you remember Nurnberg and afraid of it too.. Boo!

 

[Eloy]

We know that the Russians annexed Crimea and are involved in east Ukraine.
Putin has gone too far and is an outlaw.

.

Being outlaw for the laws of nazi is a valour... )

But wait. If Putin outlaw - point me a judgement of any court of EU, made him outlaw. Claiming Putin as outlaw without judgement - you're distributing a slander...

If you consider the will of Crimea people to join with Russia unlawful - return the Kosovo to Serbia first )

The law Putin violated is international. Taking Crimea was making war which was outlawed by Russia and the other allies in Nürnberg in 1945.

.

Without number of document, where Putin judged as criminal - you just repeating the propaganda... All your words are absolutely NAKED, like a king from a tale of H.C. Andersen ))

Eloy, as your profile said - you're a teacher... Just switch on a logic, stop translate a stupid propaganda like a bot! Don't believe in me, don't believe in anything, but think self-contained! Wake up! Re-read Orwell!

Joining Crimea in Russia - you could name it how you want - absolutely LEGAL after KOSOVO precedent. Russia follows ALL international laws, not to choose "good" or "bad". But while Russia tried to solve all international problems by law way, EU tries to claim brute force like a main law. Ok, Russia ready for this variant too... Is it really terrible for current infantile Europe to understand - all choices your could made - completely in your hands?

You want a document that determined Putin was guilty of making war.
I told you that the crime of waging war was specified at Nürnberg in 1945.
Also known as the crime of aggression, crimes against peace formed the first charge against the Nazis in the 1945 Charter of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg. The charter defined them as “planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy [to do so].”
Crimes of War – Crimes against Peace
The documents of the court are available at the Harvard Library:
Nuremberg - Document Search Results

By planning and invading Crimea which was part of the sovereign country of Ukraine, Putin is guilty.

.

The crime of waging war was specified at Nurnberg 1945? Seriously? Could you prove your words by documents?

Ok... waging war... But Putin is not waging war!!! Where you could find war at Crimea? How it related?

There are another war at Ukraine territory at Donbass. Waging by Poroshenko from west and rebels from east side. Where's Putin there? Let's start from Poroshenko? No? "Cat is left their kitchen - it's a Putin's guilty too? ))"

By planning and invading Crimea which was part of the sovereign country of Ukraine, Putin is guilty.

Ha-ha-ha... Wihout official documents It's just your "opinion", inducted by propaganda... Hiding the fact of nazi state, existing at your, European territory....

And your conscience knows it better, than you That's why you afraid of Russia. That's why you remember Nurnberg and afraid of it too.. Boo!

Ukrainians staring down the barrel of a machine gun do not need documents.
By sending in troops to Ukraine, Putin performed an act of war. Ukraine was too weak to defend its territory.




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[Art__Allm]

Winston Churchill is no authority on understanding the Russians.

Are you an authority?

The principal so-called republic in the Soviet Union was Russia and the capital was Moscau.

You claim to be an authority in Russian history, but you do not know how the capital of Russia is spelled. You spell it "Moscau".
You probably are not able to locate Moscow on the map, and you do not speak Russian.

The Russian Federation was the biggest Soviet Republic, but the other Republics profited more form the Soviet state, than Russia.

Russia lost Crimean Peninsula during the Soviet time, because the Ukrainian Khrushchev gave it to his Ukrainian Commie-Buddies, without asking the Russian population of the Crimean Peninsula. Russian villages deteriorated during the Soviet time, because all money was spent on non-Russian Republics.
Moscow was situated in Russia, but Russians did not profit from that, because Moscow was the capital of the Soviet Union.

Today the Russians speak of a Federation but we all know who we mean by the word Russians.

Wo "we all"?
Guys like you, who are unable to spell the name of Russian capital, but claim to be experts in Russian history?



You know the "Mickey-Mouse"-Version of history, that is promoted by the lying media and the Hollywood.

Your atavistic hatred against Russians prevents you from getting some knowledge from primary sources that are available on the Internet.

BTW, Russian Federation was also the official name of the Soviet Republic, that later became an independent state.

Read Solzhenitsyn's "Two hundred years together" if you want to know something about Russian history, that was destroyed by anti-Christian Bolsheviks.

But this book was not translated into English for obvious reasons, so if you do not speak Russian, French or German, you cannot educate yourself.

 

[Art__Allm]

The law Putin violated is international. Taking Crimea was making war which was outlawed by Russia and the other allies in Nürnberg in 1945.

Wat a BS!
The legal Ukrainian government was replaced by the illegal Junta, which was supported by the "Fuck-the-EU-Nuland" and her bosses. The Ukrainian constitution was violated, the constitutional judge were replaced by the Junta.

So the old Ukraine in the boarders of the Soviet Ukraine was destroyed, it did not exist any more, and the population of Crimean Peninsula did not have any obligations any more.

Crimean Peninsula had a special status in the Ukrainian state, it was a republic that had a contract with the Ukrainian government. The Russian military forces were located on this peninsula according to a treaty with the legal Ukrainian government, that was illegally replaced by the Junta.

So it is idiotic to talk about some obligation of the Crimean population that decided to reunite with the Mother Russia, because the old Ukrainian state did not exist any more, it was destroyed in an illegal Putsch by the Junta.

No constitution, no state, no obligations. Not the Crimean peninsula violated the contract, but the Junta in Kiev.

The new Ukraine after the Putsch is a different state, and the boarders of this state have to be re-drown.

Big parts of the Ukrainian population do not want to be part of this new state, that was created illegally, and their rights to self-determination has to be respected.

If you are talking about international law, what about the Palestinians?
Crimean people are happy with their new status within the Russian Federation, but the native Semitic population of Palestine was ethnically cleansed and driven into open-air concentration camps, like Gaza.

Were is the international law, when it comes to Palestine?

 

[irosie91]

the Ukraine Crimea situation confuses me-----so many people claim that both the Ukrainians and
Crimeans are ECSTATIC to be "reunited" with "mother Russia"--------news to me-----it seems to me that HISTORICALLY----the Ukrainians despised MAMA-RUSSIA

 

[ESay]

It is an ISIS fake, then:
ISIS Twitterers Passing Around Photo of Terrorist Supporters at a Ukraine Protest

Yes, it is a fake and you posted a fake to prove your agenda, though it would take you a minute to verify whether it is a fake or not if you wanted to do so.

This, however, doesn´t change that ISIS fights for the Ukrainian junta:
Jewish Voice

This, however, doesn’t change the fact that you are posting mostly garbage about this matter. It is your right to do so, but diminish your arrogance while talking about the things you know virtually nothing, ok?

 

[Art__Allm]

-it seems to me that HISTORICALLY----the Ukrainians despised MAMA-RUSSIA

If it seems to you, then you only know the "Mickey-Mouse"-Version of history, promoted by the lying media and Hollywood.

There were no Ukrainians whenRussians re-conquered Crimean Peninsula and New Russia from the Muslims, and restored all the old Greek names of the Crimean cities.

Ukrainians did not exist 200 years ago! Ukraine was an artificial creation of anti-Russian and anti-Christian Commies, who were on the payroll of American banksters!

As already many times repeated in this thread, Crimean Peninsula was Russian land, given by the Anti-Russian Commies to their Ukrainian Commie-buddies.

Here is a historical map, do you see any Ukraine there?

https://lts.brandeis.edu/research/archives-speccoll/exhibits/crimeanwar/Large/MapLarge.jpg

And if you look on the ethno-linguistic map of what was "Soviet Ukriane", then you will realise that big chunks of Russian land were given to Ukraine by the anti-Russian Soviet leaders.

http://static5.businessinsider.com/...2-1181-825/ethnolingusitic_map_of_ukraine.png

In the Soviet Union the boarders of Soviet Republics were not boarders of hostile states, so the Russian population that was given to Ukraine with the Russian land did not care a lot about their status.

But why on earth should these Russian people accept their status in an illegal state, created via a Putsch, when today Ukraine became a hostile anti-Russian state, governed by anti-Russian marionettes who are on the payroll of globalists?

Even this Georgian guy, that was eating his own tie, this coward Saakashvili, became a Ukrainian politician, though he is not a Ukrainian, but a puppet of Globalists.

This conflict, instigated in the Ukraine is so in your face!

The lying media was wining about the "hacking" of American elections, but the American establishment was openly supporting a Putsch in the Ukraine, and they installed anti-Russian puppets there.

I hope that Trump will drain the swamp in Washington, and that all these warmongers, that created the hostilities in the Ukraine, will be sued and imprisoned.

 

[ESay]

Ukraine-ISIS association demonstration

One of the worst looking Photoshop jobs I've ever seen.

Like that NSDAP sweatshirt? It is obvious you are in denial of reality.

It may well be that your reality exists in a parallel world. According to this site
Россияне вышли на ''Марш мира'' (ФОТО)
this foto was taken in Russia during a meeting against the war in Ukraine. Scroll down the page, this foto is thirteenth from the top.

Offcourse, Russians don't want any war - it's a meeting of 2014 year, see a date. But Ukraine rezhime spits on our peaceful intentions from high tower. They use ballistic missiles to shoot...for whom? Poroshenko said "we force their children to sit in cellars" - the children of WHOM? Russian occupants? Does it means, Russian occupant soldiers invaded Ukraine with families and children? ) I admire of you ability to eat enormous lies, making poker face...

Look what my answer has to do with the post it was related to, and try to comprehend the connection between them, woody.

 

[irosie91]

-it seems to me that HISTORICALLY----the Ukrainians despised MAMA-RUSSIA

If it seems to you, then you only know the "Mickey-Mouse"-Version of history, promoted by the lying media and Hollywood.

There were no Ukrainians whenRussians re-conquered Crimean Peninsula and New Russia from the Muslims, and restored all the old Greek names of the Crimean cities.

Ukrainians did not exist 200 years ago! Ukraine was an artificial creation of anti-Russian and anti-Christian Commies, who were on the payroll of American banksters!

As already many times repeated in this thread, Crimean Peninsula was Russian land, given by the Anti-Russian Commies to their Ukrainian Commie-buddies.

Here is a historical map, do you see any Ukraine there?

https://lts.brandeis.edu/research/archives-speccoll/exhibits/crimeanwar/Large/MapLarge.jpg


And if you look on the ethno-linguistic map of what was "Soviet Ukriane", then you will realise that big chunks of Russian land were given to Ukraine by the anti-Russian Soviet leaders.

http://static5.businessinsider.com/...2-1181-825/ethnolingusitic_map_of_ukraine.png

In the Soviet Union the boarders of Soviet Republics were not boarders of hostile states, so the Russian population that was given to Ukraine with the Russian land did not care a lot about their status.

But why on earth should these Russian people accept their status in an illegal state, created via a Putsch, when today Ukraine became a hostile anti-Russian state, governed by anti-Russian marionettes who are on the payroll of globalists?

Even this Georgian guy, that was eating his own tie, this coward Saakashvili, became a Ukrainian politician, though he is not a Ukrainian, but a puppet of Globalists.

This conflict, instigated in the Ukraine is so in your face!

The lying media was wining about the "hacking" of American elections, but the American establishment was openly supporting a Putsch in the Ukraine, and they installed anti-Russian puppets there.

I hope that Trump will drain the swamp in Washington, and that all these warmongers, that created the hostilities in the Ukraine, will be sued and imprisoned.

your whole argument is that what is called "UKRAINE" lately was not called "UKRAINE" 200 years ago? So what? I have ancestors who lived in what was called THE AUSTRIAN HAPSBURG EMPIRE------300 years ago-------actually----I have no idea where they were-----I had. some names of some
villages that don't exist anymore-----but I forgot those. I also had relatives who recalled with marked
distaste ---the COSSACKS ----who seemed to have rebelled against who ever was hanging around
in St Petersburg (?) What are they calling Stalingrad lately?

 

[ESay]

Ukrainians did not exist 200 years ago! Ukraine was an artificial creation of anti-Russian and anti-Christian Commies, who were on the payroll of American banksters!

Actually, the Ukrainians began to consider themselves as a nation at least from the times of Hetmanate, if you know what this term means.

Here is a historical map, do you see any Ukraine there?

What about a historical map of North America?

And if you look on the ethno-linguistic map of what was "Soviet Ukriane", then you will realise that big chunks of Russian land were given to Ukraine by the anti-Russian Soviet leaders.

The lands of so-called Novorossia began to be populated by Ukrainians (or Malo-Russians as then official authorities called them) almost from the times they were incorporated by the Russian Empire. Read about All-Russian census in 1897 referring to languages. This map shows the mostly Ukrainian-spoken territories. I hope you can compare them with the territory of contemporary Ukraine.

 

[Eloy]

The law Putin violated is international. Taking Crimea was making war which was outlawed by Russia and the other allies in Nürnberg in 1945.

Wat a BS!
The legal Ukrainian government was replaced by the illegal Junta, which was supported by the "Fuck-the-EU-Nuland" and her bosses. The Ukrainian constitution was violated, the constitutional judge were replaced by the Junta.

So the old Ukraine in the boarders of the Soviet Ukraine was destroyed, it did not exist any more, and the population of Crimean Peninsula did not have any obligations any more.

Crimean Peninsula had a special status in the Ukrainian state, it was a republic that had a contract with the Ukrainian government. The Russian military forces were located on this peninsula according to a treaty with the legal Ukrainian government, that was illegally replaced by the Junta.

So it is idiotic to talk about some obligation of the Crimean population that decided to reunite with the Mother Russia, because the old Ukrainian state did not exist any more, it was destroyed in an illegal Putsch by the Junta.

No constitution, no state, no obligations. Not the Crimean peninsula violated the contract, but the Junta in Kiev.

The new Ukraine after the Putsch is a different state, and the boarders of this state have to be re-drown.

Big parts of the Ukrainian population do not want to be part of this new state, that was created illegally, and their rights to self-determination has to be respected.

If you are talking about international law, what about the Palestinians?
Crimean people are happy with their new status within the Russian Federation, but the native Semitic population of Palestine was ethnically cleansed and driven into open-air concentration camps, like Gaza.

Were is the international law, when it comes to Palestine?

Your tone is completely hostile which makes me wonder if replying to you is of any use.

We can get Solzhenitsyn's Russia & the Jews: Two hundred years together in an English translation of course.

When Ukraine got out from under the Russian jackboot, the Ukrainians were promised that their sovereign territory would be respected if they gave-up their nuclear weapons. This was a Russian trick and it worked. Taking Crimea informs us of how the Russian mind works. Putin and his followers cannot be trusted and the European Union knows this.




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[Sbiker]

Being outlaw for the laws of nazi is a valour... )

But wait. If Putin outlaw - point me a judgement of any court of EU, made him outlaw. Claiming Putin as outlaw without judgement - you're distributing a slander...

If you consider the will of Crimea people to join with Russia unlawful - return the Kosovo to Serbia first )

The law Putin violated is international. Taking Crimea was making war which was outlawed by Russia and the other allies in Nürnberg in 1945.

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Without number of document, where Putin judged as criminal - you just repeating the propaganda... All your words are absolutely NAKED, like a king from a tale of H.C. Andersen ))

Eloy, as your profile said - you're a teacher... Just switch on a logic, stop translate a stupid propaganda like a bot! Don't believe in me, don't believe in anything, but think self-contained! Wake up! Re-read Orwell!

Joining Crimea in Russia - you could name it how you want - absolutely LEGAL after KOSOVO precedent. Russia follows ALL international laws, not to choose "good" or "bad". But while Russia tried to solve all international problems by law way, EU tries to claim brute force like a main law. Ok, Russia ready for this variant too... Is it really terrible for current infantile Europe to understand - all choices your could made - completely in your hands?

You want a document that determined Putin was guilty of making war.
I told you that the crime of waging war was specified at Nürnberg in 1945.
Also known as the crime of aggression, crimes against peace formed the first charge against the Nazis in the 1945 Charter of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg. The charter defined them as “planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy [to do so].”
Crimes of War – Crimes against Peace
The documents of the court are available at the Harvard Library:
Nuremberg - Document Search Results

By planning and invading Crimea which was part of the sovereign country of Ukraine, Putin is guilty.

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The crime of waging war was specified at Nurnberg 1945? Seriously? Could you prove your words by documents?

Ok... waging war... But Putin is not waging war!!! Where you could find war at Crimea? How it related?

There are another war at Ukraine territory at Donbass. Waging by Poroshenko from west and rebels from east side. Where's Putin there? Let's start from Poroshenko? No? "Cat is left their kitchen - it's a Putin's guilty too? ))"

By planning and invading Crimea which was part of the sovereign country of Ukraine, Putin is guilty.

Ha-ha-ha... Wihout official documents It's just your "opinion", inducted by propaganda... Hiding the fact of nazi state, existing at your, European territory....

And your conscience knows it better, than you That's why you afraid of Russia. That's why you remember Nurnberg and afraid of it too.. Boo!

Ukrainians staring down the barrel of a machine gun do not need documents.
By sending in troops to Ukraine, Putin performed an act of war. Ukraine was too weak to defend its territory.


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Crimea is not an Ukraine. It was defined in Crimea referendum too... Why do you, speaking about democracy, ignore the results of all-population referendum? Do you consider Crimea civilians as people?

 

[Bleipriester]

It is an ISIS fake, then:
ISIS Twitterers Passing Around Photo of Terrorist Supporters at a Ukraine Protest

Yes, it is a fake and you posted a fake to prove your agenda, though it would take you a minute to verify whether it is a fake or not if you wanted to do so.

This, however, doesn´t change that ISIS fights for the Ukrainian junta:
Jewish Voice

This, however, doesn’t change the fact that you are posting mostly garbage about this matter. It is your right to do so, but diminish your arrogance while talking about the things you know virtually nothing, ok?

Not true. My threads are serious, whether you like it or not.

 

[Sbiker]

Winston Churchill is no authority on understanding the Russians.

Are you an authority?

The principal so-called republic in the Soviet Union was Russia and the capital was Moscau.

You claim to be an authority in Russian history, but you do not know how the capital of Russia is spelled. You spell it "Moscau".
You probably are not able to locate Moscow on the map, and you do not speak Russian.

The Russian Federation was the biggest Soviet Republic, but the other Republics profited more form the Soviet state, than Russia.

Russia lost Crimean Peninsula during the Soviet time, because the Ukrainian Khrushchev gave it to his Ukrainian Commie-Buddies, without asking the Russian population of the Crimean Peninsula. Russian villages deteriorated during the Soviet time, because all money was spent on non-Russian Republics.
Moscow was situated in Russia, but Russians did not profit from that, because Moscow was the capital of the Soviet Union.

Today the Russians speak of a Federation but we all know who we mean by the word Russians.

Wo "we all"?
Guys like you, who are unable to spell the name of Russian capital, but claim to be experts in Russian history?



You know the "Mickey-Mouse"-Version of history, that is promoted by the lying media and the Hollywood.

Your atavistic hatred against Russians prevents you from getting some knowledge from primary sources that are available on the Internet.

BTW, Russian Federation was also the official name of the Soviet Republic, that later became an independent state.

Read Solzhenitsyn's "Two hundred years together" if you want to know something about Russian history, that was destroyed by anti-Christian Bolsheviks.

But this book was not translated into English for obvious reasons, so if you do not speak Russian, French or German, you cannot educate yourself.

Solzhenitzin is very disputable source of Russian history, but I'm choking of situation, when he's closer to reality, than people from EU...

 

[Sbiker]

the Ukraine Crimea situation confuses me-----so many people claim that both the Ukrainians and
Crimeans are ECSTATIC to be "reunited" with "mother Russia"--------news to me-----it seems to me that HISTORICALLY----the Ukrainians despised MAMA-RUSSIA

Ukrainians - is a project of Austrian Empire, you would not find Ukrainians in History in 18 century or earlier If you use original sources, offcourse...

 

[Sbiker]

The law Putin violated is international. Taking Crimea was making war which was outlawed by Russia and the other allies in Nürnberg in 1945.

Wat a BS!
The legal Ukrainian government was replaced by the illegal Junta, which was supported by the "Fuck-the-EU-Nuland" and her bosses. The Ukrainian constitution was violated, the constitutional judge were replaced by the Junta.

So the old Ukraine in the boarders of the Soviet Ukraine was destroyed, it did not exist any more, and the population of Crimean Peninsula did not have any obligations any more.

Crimean Peninsula had a special status in the Ukrainian state, it was a republic that had a contract with the Ukrainian government. The Russian military forces were located on this peninsula according to a treaty with the legal Ukrainian government, that was illegally replaced by the Junta.

So it is idiotic to talk about some obligation of the Crimean population that decided to reunite with the Mother Russia, because the old Ukrainian state did not exist any more, it was destroyed in an illegal Putsch by the Junta.

No constitution, no state, no obligations. Not the Crimean peninsula violated the contract, but the Junta in Kiev.

The new Ukraine after the Putsch is a different state, and the boarders of this state have to be re-drown.

Big parts of the Ukrainian population do not want to be part of this new state, that was created illegally, and their rights to self-determination has to be respected.

If you are talking about international law, what about the Palestinians?
Crimean people are happy with their new status within the Russian Federation, but the native Semitic population of Palestine was ethnically cleansed and driven into open-air concentration camps, like Gaza.

Were is the international law, when it comes to Palestine?

Your tone is completely hostile which makes me wonder if replying to you is of any use.

We can get Solzhenitsyn's Russia & the Jews: Two hundred years together in an English translation of course.

When Ukraine got out from under the Russian jackboot, the Ukrainians were promised that their sovereign territory would be respected if they gave-up their nuclear weapons. This was a Russian trick and it worked. Taking Crimea informs us of how the Russian mind works. Putin and his followers cannot be trusted and the European Union knows this.

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NATO also promises not to expand to East, when the Berlin wall was fallen. Why don't you ask NATO about promises first?