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The Nazis were not socialists you clown they were fascists, that is why they had supporters on the right in Britain before the war and with some when the war was being fought, many among the Aristocracy even some Royal family members, it was Socialists, Communists and the Jewish people who fought the British Fascists on the streets not conservatives or others on the right, watch this vid and learn.How do people on the right join forces with the National socialists of Germany?
Yes friends, socialists.
They are about as right wing as Romney on acid.
Try again.
The Nazis were not socialists you clown they were fascists, that is why they had supporters on the right in Britain before the war and with some when the war was being fought, many among the Aristocracy even some Royal family members, it was Socialists, Communists and the Jewish people who fought the British Fascists on the streets not conservatives or others on the right, watch this vid and learn.
What makes something “left wing”? You sure haven’t the slightest idea about that either!What makes something right wing?
Does this sound like a socialist, its a tactic on the right to try and brand Nazis as socialists it is bollocks.What makes something right wing?
If being racist makes them right wing and wanting full control over everything, then OK.
Whatever you want to call them, right after you redefine what women are I suppose.
At the start the Nazis wanted to appeal to a wide spectrum of the people to gain support from some on the left and the middle class, they soon found out there was nothing socialist about the Nazis, Hitler was against incorporating the word socialist into the party name, thousands of socialists were killed or sent to concentration camps, the Nazis were not socialists.So, they called themselves socialists but were not? And you call me the clown? Just read their quotes moron.
The only thing that did not make them socialists is that they had enough sense to know that bureaucrats taking over corporations was probably not that good of an idea, especially since bureaucrats can't even run government efficiently, let alone private enterprise. Because of this, the Nazi model was better than the Communist model of running economies.
At the same time, Hitler controlled those corporations, which is why he saw no need to take them over in name and run all of their affairs himself.
As Hitler said, "Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people"? Let the experts be the experts you can never be so long as you have control over them.
This is the model Progressives use today as they control corporate American with things like ESG.
Now they all sound woke like Biden.
What I'm saying is, I have no interest on how you define a Leftist or someone on the right.What makes something “left wing”? You sure haven’t the slightest idea about that either!
You think the words of Adolph Hitler you provided above somehow transform him into a “leftist”? Are you really so naive … or only cynical enough to try to gaslight the whole world?
Might as well ask how Hitler defined … an “Aryan Man” or an “Aryan woman.” Or better yet, how did he define “superior” and “inferior” races? History itself defines fascism, Nazism, and Stalinism / Maoism too. These are historical terms, and relatively recent ones. You really haven’t a clue.
Why on earth would you believe that? But were it true, which it is not, would you catagorize me as … a fascist? Or would I be some kind of Marxist/Stalinist/Maoist? A leftist? Or a rightest who treasures the rule of law and not the rule of authoritarian tyrants?Conversely, you believe in the ideology of socialism, don't you, as if it were some sort of bridge to utopia.
They say that in WWII (when Russia was considered an Allied country) That then-General Dwight David Eisenhower could hardly stand to be near Stalin. I'm starting to understand more about his disenchantment with the Soviets, even though I hate the thought of war and support our troops with all my heart.Here is an excerpt of an article by an independent South African newspaper publisher criticizing his own government’s support to Vladimir Putin. It deals with one terrible and truly insane aspect of the mad “history lesson” Putin recently gave to our own rightwing “infotainer” Tucker Carlson. I reproduce a short part of it here hoping it will help some of our own Putin apologists to calmly reconsider where their infatuation with strongman authoritarian “Putinism” is actually leading them.
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Our government’s great friend Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is no ordinary politician.
He is a product — and seemingly still a prisoner — of the Cold War. In his Soviet years, history was something to reimagine and rewrite according to the current needs and ideologies.
So when he referred to the events of September 1939, with [Tucker] Carlson sporting his trademark clueless face, he did not talk about the inconvenience of the Soviet Union invading the very same “stubborn” Poland from the east, just 16 days after Hitler’s forces did.
He did not say anything about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact which aligned Stalin’s Soviet Union with Hitler’s Nazi Germany and was signed on 23 August 1939; it led to the occupation of Poland by both Germany and USSR …
He did not talk about the 22,000 Polish officers and intelligentsia prisoners of war murdered in the Katyn forest by the Soviet army [in April-May, 1940].
(Eventually, some 20-27 million Soviet people died in the war — including Putin’s elder brother — after Hitler attacked the USSR on 22 June 1941. Together with 6 million Poles and an estimated 6 million Jews across different countries, between 70 and 85 million people perished in those six years of madness.)
Today, Putin is happy to rewrite history, incomprehensibly accuse Ukraine and Poland of being heirs to Nazism, and invest billions into his state propaganda machinery to make his fiction permanent.
Two years after he attacked Ukraine, he can still count on South Africa as a steady and loyal ally. We’ve helped the Russians in every way possible, including causing possibly lasting damage to our international reputation within the circle of the world’s democracies.
Our government has been a friend where many a more circumspect country would have given up.
Putin justified Hitler’s invasion of Poland; South Africa must denounce him
Agree with most of your post. However I would exclude communists because they are just as bad as Nazis.The Nazi Party of Germany was the most extreme, vitriolic, racist and reactionary section of the right in Germany. It was natural for Conservatives and rightwingers in other countries to sympathize with it if they also hated unionists, social democrats, socialists, communists and classical liberals. Of course there were always Conservatives with principles and integrity who rejected the fascists completely, and others who did so because they had commercial or colonial empires or interests that were directly threatened by Nazi aggression.
The issue is collectivism.Why on earth would you believe that? But were it true, which it is not, would you catagorize me as … a fascist? Or would I be some kind of Marxist/Stalinist/Maoist? A leftist? Or a rightest who treasures the rule of law and not the rule of authoritarian tyrants?
Yes, these semantic games are tiresome. You play them especially poorly, by your own rules, ignoring history and the crucial connection between Nazism & racism & aggressive ultra-nationalism.
Putin is a bit of a moron.As much as I would love to discuss Votto ’s undoubtedly stimulating views on “collectivism,” “progressivism” (apparently not the Teddy Roosevelt kind) and the “corruption of power” that inevitably results when “centralizing power” is “given to man” (one man?) … I think this is not the thread in which to discuss all this. There are thousands of “ideologically” charged but empty-headed discussions like this that go on all the time on USMB.
Here we are discussing Putin’s bizarre new theory about Hitler being “forced” by Poland’s unwillingness to capitulate (to Hitler’s demands) to invade Poland in 1939, thus starting WWII — which in some ways parallel Putin’s own arguments toward suffering Ukraine.
Putin has during the past two decades already overwhelmingly centralized political power under his own control throughout the huge Russian Federation, and has now even seized the property of corrupt billionaire oligarchs who served him in the past, converting Russia’s remaining industries almost entirely to a “war economy.”
Shall we stop sending arms to Ukraine now — as many Trump-supporting MAGA isolationists believe we should — and allow THIS particular “power corrupted” individual to conquer Ukraine and feed his megalomaniacal appetite?
That is the question being posed here and now.
whomknew this.?Here is an excerpt of an article by an independent South African newspaper publisher criticizing his own government’s support to Vladimir Putin. It deals with one terrible and truly insane aspect of the mad “history lesson” Putin recently gave to our own rightwing “infotainer” Tucker Carlson. I reproduce a short part of it here hoping it will help some of our own Putin apologists to calmly reconsider where their infatuation with strongman authoritarian “Putinism” is actually leading them.
***
Our government’s great friend Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is no ordinary politician.
He is a product — and seemingly still a prisoner — of the Cold War. In his Soviet years, history was something to reimagine and rewrite according to the current needs and ideologies.
So when he referred to the events of September 1939, with [Tucker] Carlson sporting his trademark clueless face, he did not talk about the inconvenience of the Soviet Union invading the very same “stubborn” Poland from the east, just 16 days after Hitler’s forces did.
He did not say anything about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact which aligned Stalin’s Soviet Union with Hitler’s Nazi Germany and was signed on 23 August 1939; it led to the occupation of Poland by both Germany and USSR …
He did not talk about the 22,000 Polish officers and intelligentsia prisoners of war murdered in the Katyn forest by the Soviet army [in April-May, 1940].
(Eventually, some 20-27 million Soviet people died in the war — including Putin’s elder brother — after Hitler attacked the USSR on 22 June 1941. Together with 6 million Poles and an estimated 6 million Jews across different countries, between 70 and 85 million people perished in those six years of madness.)
Today, Putin is happy to rewrite history, incomprehensibly accuse Ukraine and Poland of being heirs to Nazism, and invest billions into his state propaganda machinery to make his fiction permanent.
Two years after he attacked Ukraine, he can still count on South Africa as a steady and loyal ally. We’ve helped the Russians in every way possible, including causing possibly lasting damage to our international reputation within the circle of the world’s democracies.
Our government has been a friend where many a more circumspect country would have given up.
Putin justified Hitler’s invasion of Poland; South Africa must denounce him
“Putin is a bit of a moron.” Yet we know that Donald Trump admires him and has even called his excuses for invading Ukraine … “brilliant.”Putin is a bit of a moron.
Here is a man trying to win a PR war when he admitted in the interview that he has no means of a useful propaganda machine due to the fact that he has no influence over the Western media. Add to the fact that Nazism and Hitler have already been successfully demonized worldwide, and what you have is a total idiot with zero appeal other than to the nutters, for whom there is no help anyway.
More than likely, however, he is just trying to strike fear into the Western powers as he forces them to entertain the prospect that he is another Hitler. He wants to be seen as unpredictable and nutty, so they better back off or he may do crazy things.
Obviously untrue. Putin was being facetious. Thanks to “America First” propagandists and their constant trolling and mimicking of RT (and related blogs’) “news reports” / conspiratorial opinions on the internet, and with the help above all of Trump, as well as Fox News, Tucker Carlson and his ilk, rightwing talk radio across the country, etc., Russia and Putin’s propaganda has NEVER been more influential in the U.S. than in recent years. Hopefully this will be turned around before it is too late.“He admitted in the interview that he has no means of a useful propaganda machine due to the fact that he has no influence over the Western media.”
Fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum; conservatism and fascism share the same political roots.How do people on the right join forces with the National socialists of Germany?
I think this is not a useful “exaggeration.” It is even very harmful at present to “simplify” matters in this way. Of course you are not entirely wrong either.Fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum; conservatism and fascism share the same political roots.
Indeed, conservatism is fundamentally fascist – reactionary, illiberal, and anti-democratic, conservatives fear positive, beneficial change and oppose diversity, inclusion, and expressions of individual liberty.
The fascist, authoritarian right seeks to compel conformity and punish dissent; conservativism is nativist and anti-immigrant as expressed by white grievance politics and racist replacement theory.
Hence the right’s admiration for, and defense of, the likes of Putin, a fellow rightwing fascist and authoritarian enemy of democracy.
Why would putin want to talk about stalins crimes when world peace does not matter over things that happened in the past.if world peace ever did get established,then that would be the time you would acknowledge the past crimes of leaders not before. 
Yep just a matter of time.Wondered when you would crawl out of the swamp.
And your ilk are attracted to the demonstrably demented and unquestionably incompetent Biden. Go figure.“Putin is a bit of a moron.” Yet we know that Donald Trump admires him and has even called his excuses for invading Ukraine … “brilliant.”
Obviously untrue. Putin was being facetious. Thanks to “America First” propagandists and their constant trolling and mimicking of RT (and related blogs’) “news reports” / conspiratorial opinions on the internet, and with the help above all of Trump, as well as Fox News, Tucker Carlson and his ilk, rightwing talk radio across the country, etc., Russia and Putin’s propaganda has NEVER been more influential in the U.S. than in recent years. Hopefully this will be turned around before it is too late.
But all this is largely to be determined by U.S. voters in the upcoming election, and many of our voters are in fact deeply attracted — not to Hitler thank God — but to “unpredictable and nutty” conmen and demagogues like Donald Trump.
