Zone1 Purgatory a false dangerous teaching, leading millions to hell!

[nomadic5]

Scripture

Mt 18:23

A parable:

The man is forgiven, but then refuses to forgive his fellow man for a MUCH lower debt. So he himself lost his forgiveness, was "handed over to the torturers until he had" re-paid his entire debt

So much for Once Saved Always Saved (found nowhere in Scripture... )

 

[kjw47]

well, that's one of the lies you've been told... wonder how many others there are?

Their own translating condemns them as false religion. Their works condemn them as false religion.

 

[nomadic5]

Their own translating condemns them as false religion. Their works condemn them as false religion.

Right.

And what are MY works, since you know everything?

What works have I done that "condemn me as being in a false religion"?

Out with it.. Mr Know it All

 

[kjw47]

Right.

And what are MY works, since you know everything?

What works have I done that "condemn me as being in a false religion"?

Out with it.. Mr Know it All

I said Catholicisms works=The crusades-They stood on both sides of wars of hatred( The rev war, civil war, ww1, ww2) killing their own supposed brothers in Christ, while the clergy prayed to the same God on both sides= pure hipocrosy) and told both sides God was on their side= pure lie. They even killed for Adolf Hitler even after they saw he was a mass murdering satanistic power mad human.
Burned humans alive for heresy-translating the bible, witchcraft, anything said that they did not teach-even things like-the earth is flat. The Jesus i read teaches-Love, mercy-forgiveness.
The bible CONDEMNS-Statues, icons, graven images, yet the churches and homes are filled with all 3.
thus-the works of darkness not of light.

 

[nomadic5]

I said Catholicisms works=The crusades-They stood on both sides of wars of hatred( The rev war, civil war, ww1, ww2) killing their own supposed brothers in Christ, while the clergy prayed to the same God on both sides= pure hipocrosy) and told both sides God was on their side= pure lie. They even killed for Adolf Hitler even after they saw he was a mass murdering satanistic power mad human.
Burned humans alive for heresy-translating the bible, witchcraft, anything said that they did not teach-even things like-the earth is flat. The Jesus i read teaches-Love, mercy-forgiveness.
The bible CONDEMNS-Statues, icons, graven images, yet the churches and homes are filled with all 3.
thus-the works of darkness not of light.

OMG

You are in SERIOUS need of a TRUE history book!

What the hell are you reading? Do you believe everything you read?

B4 you ask the same Q of me, let me tell you something. I have something you do NOT have: the Real Presence of Christ found only in HIS Church. Words cannot do the RP justice so I will stop there.

All those outside the true Church have words and documents and interpretations by this and that person... But the Catholics have the Real Presence of Christ himself. Mt 6:27-72... Mt 28:20... Mt 16:18

 

[kjw47]

OMG

You are in SERIOUS need of a TRUE history book!

What the hell are you reading? Do you believe everything you read?

B4 you ask the same Q of me, let me tell you something. I have something you do NOT have: the Real Presence of Christ found only in HIS Church. Words cannot do the RP justice so I will stop there.

All those outside the true Church have words and documents and interpretations by this and that person... But the Catholics have the Real Presence of Christ himself. Mt 6:27-72... Mt 28:20... Mt 16:18

My post is 100% fact and your religion knows it as does the whole world.

 

[Mashmont]

despite clear evidence in the Bible there is a heaven and hell, nothing in between after this life they continue to falsely teach a second chance after death.


Accepted By Imputation


We know from Paul’s treatise on justification in Romans 4 that God saves believers by imputing to them the merit of Christ’s perfect righteousness—by no means because of their own righteousness. God accepts believers “in Christ.” He clothes them with the perfect righteousness of Christ. He declares them perfectly righteous because of Christ. Their sins have been imputed to Christ, who has paid the full penalty. His righteousness is now imputed to them and—through His imputed righteousness—they receive His full merit. That is what justification by faith means. The Father “made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21).


In other words, God does not first make us perfect, then accept us on that basis. He first legally justifies us by imputing to us an alien righteousness, then perfects us by conforming us to the image of Christ. He “justifies the ungodly” (Romans 4:5).


Paul wrote, “Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1). “Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). Those verses describe our justification as something already accomplished—a completed reality, not something we are striving for. Jesus Himself described justification as an immediate event when He told how the repentant publican was saved after begging God for mercy: “I tell you, this man went to his house justified” (Luke 18:14).


Scripture clearly and consistently attests to justification as a settled fact for every believer; it is not an ongoing process. We stand before God in faith right now, fully acceptable to Him because of Christ’s righteousness—not because of any doings of our own.

Hebrews 9:27​

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”

King James Version (KJV)


False Doctrine and False Hope


Roman Catholic doctrine denies all of that. Catholicism teaches that justification is an ongoing process that depends on the degree of real, personal righteousness we achieve. According to Rome, Christ’s merit imputed to us is not enough to save; we must earn more merit of our own through the sacraments and other good works. Righteousness is infused into us (rather than being imputed to us). But it is obvious that we are not perfectly righteous by any practical measure. So the righteousness we obtain by grace must be perfected by our own efforts.


According to Catholic teaching, this real, personal righteousness that resides in us is the necessary ground on which God accepts us. And our justification is not complete until we are really and completely perfect—by an inherent righteousness, not merely by a legally imputed righteousness. This actually reverses the biblical order, suggesting that we must first be perfected, and only then is our justification complete. In other words, in Roman Catholic doctrine, God does not justify the ungodly.


The Catholic view of justification poses an obvious dilemma. We know too well that even the best Christians fall far short of perfection. No one (Catholic teaching actually says almost no one) achieves absolute perfection in this life. And if our own perfection is a prerequisite for heaven, it would seem no one could enter there immediately upon dying. Any remaining imperfections would need to be worked out first.


The invention of purgatory was necessary to solve this dilemma. Deny that we are justified by faith alone, and you must devise an explanation of how we can make the transition from our imperfect state in this life to the perfect state of heaven. Purgatory is where Roman Catholics believe most people go after death to be finally purged of their remaining guilt and gain whatever merit they may be lacking to enter heaven. Catholicism teaches that this process involves intense pain and suffering.


Oddly enough, although Catholic doctrine denies that the imputed righteousness of Christ is sufficient to save sinners in this life, it does allow the imputation of righteousness from living sinners to those in purgatory. This is why masses are said for the dead. Supposedly the righteousness earned by way of the sacrament is imputed to the person in purgatory, which shortens his or her stay there.


The Catholic doctrine of purgatory offers false hope to people hoping to atone for their own sins on the other side of the grave. Rome’s warped and perverted view of justification will undoubtedly usher into eternal torment many who expected to have more time to achieve perfection.

The False Hope of Purgatory

This post was originally published in July 2018. –ed. Let’s be clear from the outset: The Roman Catholic doctrine of purgatory is taught nowhere in Scripture. It was invented to accommodate Cat

www.gty.org

I don't understand why people think you can get to Heaven by being passive and lazy. Nothing is like that in our existence. Yet that is what people are saying when they say good works aren't required.

 

[ninja007]

I don't understand why people think you can get to Heaven by being passive and lazy. Nothing is like that in our existence. Yet that is what people are saying when they say good works aren't required.

theres dozens of scriptures about being saved with zero good works mentioned.

 

[ninja007]

I don't understand why people think you can get to Heaven by being passive and lazy. Nothing is like that in our existence. Yet that is what people are saying when they say good works aren't required.

you cannot earn your way to heaven. if you could no need for Jesus. its a free gift.

 

[Libby von H]

despite clear evidence in the Bible there is a heaven and hell, nothing in between after this life they continue to falsely teach a second chance after death.


Accepted By Imputation


We know from Paul’s treatise on justification in Romans 4 that God saves believers by imputing to them the merit of Christ’s perfect righteousness—by no means because of their own righteousness. God accepts believers “in Christ.” He clothes them with the perfect righteousness of Christ. He declares them perfectly righteous because of Christ. Their sins have been imputed to Christ, who has paid the full penalty. His righteousness is now imputed to them and—through His imputed righteousness—they receive His full merit. That is what justification by faith means. The Father “made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21).


In other words, God does not first make us perfect, then accept us on that basis. He first legally justifies us by imputing to us an alien righteousness, then perfects us by conforming us to the image of Christ. He “justifies the ungodly” (Romans 4:5).


Paul wrote, “Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1). “Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). Those verses describe our justification as something already accomplished—a completed reality, not something we are striving for. Jesus Himself described justification as an immediate event when He told how the repentant publican was saved after begging God for mercy: “I tell you, this man went to his house justified” (Luke 18:14).


Scripture clearly and consistently attests to justification as a settled fact for every believer; it is not an ongoing process. We stand before God in faith right now, fully acceptable to Him because of Christ’s righteousness—not because of any doings of our own.

Hebrews 9:27​

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”

King James Version (KJV)


False Doctrine and False Hope


Roman Catholic doctrine denies all of that. Catholicism teaches that justification is an ongoing process that depends on the degree of real, personal righteousness we achieve. According to Rome, Christ’s merit imputed to us is not enough to save; we must earn more merit of our own through the sacraments and other good works. Righteousness is infused into us (rather than being imputed to us). But it is obvious that we are not perfectly righteous by any practical measure. So the righteousness we obtain by grace must be perfected by our own efforts.


According to Catholic teaching, this real, personal righteousness that resides in us is the necessary ground on which God accepts us. And our justification is not complete until we are really and completely perfect—by an inherent righteousness, not merely by a legally imputed righteousness. This actually reverses the biblical order, suggesting that we must first be perfected, and only then is our justification complete. In other words, in Roman Catholic doctrine, God does not justify the ungodly.


The Catholic view of justification poses an obvious dilemma. We know too well that even the best Christians fall far short of perfection. No one (Catholic teaching actually says almost no one) achieves absolute perfection in this life. And if our own perfection is a prerequisite for heaven, it would seem no one could enter there immediately upon dying. Any remaining imperfections would need to be worked out first.


The invention of purgatory was necessary to solve this dilemma. Deny that we are justified by faith alone, and you must devise an explanation of how we can make the transition from our imperfect state in this life to the perfect state of heaven. Purgatory is where Roman Catholics believe most people go after death to be finally purged of their remaining guilt and gain whatever merit they may be lacking to enter heaven. Catholicism teaches that this process involves intense pain and suffering.


Oddly enough, although Catholic doctrine denies that the imputed righteousness of Christ is sufficient to save sinners in this life, it does allow the imputation of righteousness from living sinners to those in purgatory. This is why masses are said for the dead. Supposedly the righteousness earned by way of the sacrament is imputed to the person in purgatory, which shortens his or her stay there.


The Catholic doctrine of purgatory offers false hope to people hoping to atone for their own sins on the other side of the grave. Rome’s warped and perverted view of justification will undoubtedly usher into eternal torment many who expected to have more time to achieve perfection.

The False Hope of Purgatory

This post was originally published in July 2018. –ed. Let’s be clear from the outset: The Roman Catholic doctrine of purgatory is taught nowhere in Scripture. It was invented to accommodate Cat

www.gty.org

Are you unawre that logically and rhetorically all you are doing is inviting the "there is no Hell" crowd in
Maybe you could get them a beer and fix dinner for them. I have no doubt there is a purgatory because nothing unclean enters Heaven.
But you argue it seems from hate.

 

[Meriweather]

I don't understand why people think you can get to Heaven by being passive and lazy. Nothing is like that in our existence. Yet that is what people are saying when they say good works aren't required.

Robert Browning wrote, "God is in His heaven and all's right with the world."

This poses the question, What does God do in His heaven? Since heaven is God's gift to us, then it is fair to ask, How is the gift to be used? Scripture tells us God creates and God serves, If our dad gives us a gift of a saw (for example), we are going to use the saw the same way Dad uses it, although perhaps not for he same project. Further our dads will not give us saws until we are capable of not only handling one, but handling it safely.

Upon entering heaven, what will I be asked to create? How may I serve? Our life here is our resume.