Zone1 Purgatory a false dangerous teaching, leading millions to hell!

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despite clear evidence in the Bible there is a heaven and hell, nothing in between after this life they continue to falsely teach a second chance after death.


Accepted By Imputation


We know from Paul’s treatise on justification in Romans 4 that God saves believers by imputing to them the merit of Christ’s perfect righteousness—by no means because of their own righteousness. God accepts believers “in Christ.” He clothes them with the perfect righteousness of Christ. He declares them perfectly righteous because of Christ. Their sins have been imputed to Christ, who has paid the full penalty. His righteousness is now imputed to them and—through His imputed righteousness—they receive His full merit. That is what justification by faith means. The Father “made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21).


In other words, God does not first make us perfect, then accept us on that basis. He first legally justifies us by imputing to us an alien righteousness, then perfects us by conforming us to the image of Christ. He “justifies the ungodly” (Romans 4:5).


Paul wrote, “Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1). “Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). Those verses describe our justification as something already accomplished—a completed reality, not something we are striving for. Jesus Himself described justification as an immediate event when He told how the repentant publican was saved after begging God for mercy: “I tell you, this man went to his house justified” (Luke 18:14).


Scripture clearly and consistently attests to justification as a settled fact for every believer; it is not an ongoing process. We stand before God in faith right now, fully acceptable to Him because of Christ’s righteousness—not because of any doings of our own.

Hebrews 9:27​




“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”

King James Version (KJV)


False Doctrine and False Hope


Roman Catholic doctrine denies all of that. Catholicism teaches that justification is an ongoing process that depends on the degree of real, personal righteousness we achieve. According to Rome, Christ’s merit imputed to us is not enough to save; we must earn more merit of our own through the sacraments and other good works. Righteousness is infused into us (rather than being imputed to us). But it is obvious that we are not perfectly righteous by any practical measure. So the righteousness we obtain by grace must be perfected by our own efforts.


According to Catholic teaching, this real, personal righteousness that resides in us is the necessary ground on which God accepts us. And our justification is not complete until we are really and completely perfect—by an inherent righteousness, not merely by a legally imputed righteousness. This actually reverses the biblical order, suggesting that we must first be perfected, and only then is our justification complete. In other words, in Roman Catholic doctrine, God does not justify the ungodly.


The Catholic view of justification poses an obvious dilemma. We know too well that even the best Christians fall far short of perfection. No one (Catholic teaching actually says almost no one) achieves absolute perfection in this life. And if our own perfection is a prerequisite for heaven, it would seem no one could enter there immediately upon dying. Any remaining imperfections would need to be worked out first.


The invention of purgatory was necessary to solve this dilemma. Deny that we are justified by faith alone, and you must devise an explanation of how we can make the transition from our imperfect state in this life to the perfect state of heaven. Purgatory is where Roman Catholics believe most people go after death to be finally purged of their remaining guilt and gain whatever merit they may be lacking to enter heaven. Catholicism teaches that this process involves intense pain and suffering.


Oddly enough, although Catholic doctrine denies that the imputed righteousness of Christ is sufficient to save sinners in this life, it does allow the imputation of righteousness from living sinners to those in purgatory. This is why masses are said for the dead. Supposedly the righteousness earned by way of the sacrament is imputed to the person in purgatory, which shortens his or her stay there.


The Catholic doctrine of purgatory offers false hope to people hoping to atone for their own sins on the other side of the grave. Rome’s warped and perverted view of justification will undoubtedly usher into eternal torment many who expected to have more time to achieve perfection.
 
Purgatory is a belief that contradicts the clear teaching of Scripture with respect to the person and work of Christ. This, however, has not stopped people from attempting to find some biblical support for this non-biblical doctrine. The following passages are offered for the support of purgatory.

1. Isaiah 4:4


When the Lord has washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and purged the blood of Jerusalem from her midst, by the spirit of judgment and by the spirit of burning.
It is argued that burning, in this context, refers to the fires of judgment - a hint of the doctrine of purgatory.

2. Matthew 5:25,26


Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer and you are thrown into prison. Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there until you have paid the last penny.

Some Roman Catholics teach that prison is purgatory, and the last penny is the complete payment for the purgation of sins.

3. Matthew 12:32


Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

It is claimed that this verse has at least an indirect reference to purgatory. It is claimed that Jesus left open the possibility of forgiveness in the next world.

4. 1 Corinthians 3:10-15


According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building on it. Each builder must choose with care how to build on it. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one that has been laid; that foundation is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw - the work of each builder will become visible, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each has done. If what has been built on the foundation survives, the builder will receive a reward. If the work is burned up, the builder will suffer loss; the builder will be saved, but only as through fire.

This passage speaks of the believer being refined by fire. To some, it is a clear indication of a refining place, purgatory.

5. 2 Maccabees 12:41,42, 45


Therefore they praised the work of the Lord, the just judge, who reveals what is hidden; and turning to prayer, they asked that this sin might be entirely blotted out. The noble Judas called on people to keep themselves free from sin. . . But since he had in view the wonderful reward reserved for those who die a godly death, his purpose was a holy and pious one. And this was why he offered an atoning sacrifice to free the dead from their sin (2 Maccabees 12:41,42,45, New English Bible).

This is the clearest statement as to some type of sacrifice that can be offered for the dead. Those who have died, and are in purgatory, can be helped by the sacrifices and prayers of the living.

6. Hebrews 9:27


And just as it is appointed for mortals to die once, and after that the judgment.

Those who believe in purgatory understand these two events as happening immediately after one another. The person dies and then there is a judgment to determine their destination. The wicked are sent away to hell while the righteous go to either heaven, if they are in a perfected state, or purgatory, if further purification is needed.

From passages such as these, the Roman Catholic church believes it can find some biblical support for their doctrine of purgatory.

Response

The verses used to support purgatory do not give credence to this belief.

1. Isaiah 4:4

Isaiah's reference has nothing to do with purgatory. It speaks of God refining people in this life, not the next.

2. Matthew 5:25-26

Paying the last penny has nothing to do with paying for sin in the next life. In Roman law, the plaintiff could bring the accused along with him to the judge; the defendant could however, settle the matter on any terms with the plaintiff as they proceeded to the tribunal. However once they reached the tribunal the issue would be settled according to law. Jesus is encouraging people to settle their differences before it reaches the judge.

3. Matthew 12:32

The phrase "this world and the next" was a Jewish phrase meaning "never." In the other gospels which give this same account, the phrase is omitted. This is because Mark and Luke are writing for Gentiles. In addition they both state that the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will "never be forgiven." Mark says.


But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin (Mark 3:29).
The account in Luke reads.

And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven (Luke 12:10).

Nowhere does it state, or imply, that forgiveness can be achieved in the next world. Never means never!

4. 1 Corinthians 3:10-15

"He shall be saved through fire" does not mean he shall be kept alive in the midst of hell-fire. The fire deals with the works of a person, not their character. In addition, this testing by fire occurs on judgment day, not in the intermediate state.

5. 2 Maccabees 12:41, 2, 45

The teaching of a purgatory found in 2 Maccabees has no relevance at all for believers. 2 Maccabees is not included in the text of sacred Scripture, hence anything it teaches is not to be regarded as authoritative.

Does Not Teach

Furthermore, this passage does not teach the Roman Catholic doctrine of purgatory. These soldiers committed what the Roman Catholic church considers a mortal sin -idolatry. The suffering in purgatory can only forgive venial sins. Mortal sins cannot be forgiven.

6. Hebrews 9:27

There is absolutely nothing in verse that mentions, or hints of, a purgatory. Furthermore, it does not specifically say that the judgment comes immediately after death. The Scriptures teach the contrary. Judgment only comes after Christ returns and resurrects the dead. This is still future. Hence this verse offers no support whatsoever for purgatory.

Conclusion On Purgatory
We conclude that there is no biblical support whatever for the idea of any believer going through suffering after their death. The passages that attempt to teach this doctrine do no such thing. On the contrary, they contradict any idea that people can pay off sins in the next life before entering heaven.
 
3. Matthew 12:32

The phrase "this world and the next" was a Jewish phrase meaning "never." In the other gospels which give this same account, the phrase is omitted. This is because Mark and Luke are writing for Gentiles. In addition they both state that the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will "never be forgiven." Mark says

(12:32), where Jesus states that “whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come“

This implies that forgiveness can come in the next age.

There is definite evidence for intercession, praying for the dead. Claiming purgatory doesn’t exist means there would be no need for intercession.

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John 20:23 “Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.”

So unless you want to believe you would be eternally damned for minor sins, I’d say that supports the idea you will be held accountable for those sins.
 
(12:32), where Jesus states that “whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come“

This implies that forgiveness can come in the next age.

There is definite evidence for intercession, praying for the dead. Claiming purgatory doesn’t exist means there would be no need for intercession.

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John 20:23 “Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.”

So unless you want to believe you would be eternally damned for minor sins, I’d say that supports the idea you will be held accountable for those sins.
no.
 
5. 2 Maccabees 12:41, 2, 45

The teaching of a purgatory found in 2 Maccabees has no relevance at all for believers. 2 Maccabees is not included in the text of sacred Scripture, hence anything it teaches is not to be regarded as authoritative.

Does Not Teach

Furthermore, this passage does not teach the Roman Catholic doctrine of purgatory. These soldiers committed what the Roman Catholic church considers a mortal sin -idolatry. The suffering in purgatory can only forgive venial sins. Mortal sins cannot be forgiven.
I can see you are doing a lot of tap dancing in regards to 2 Maccabees: 12:46

”Thus made atonement for the dead that they may be absolved of their sins”.

Claiming this is “not authoritative“ is really desperation on your part. Clearly the concept of praying for the dead is there.
 
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See how Paul the self appointed Cult leader goes about his tasks of making up things . Same guy that dreamed up the Trinity Fake News which gullible cult Christian’s then thought made their story more mysterious and wonderful . He would have made a great CIA director .
 
You conveniently left out 2 Timothy 16-18, where Paul himself prays for mercy for his dead friend.
 
Another one you left off your list:

1 Peter 4:6 “For this is why the gospel was preached even to the dead that, though condemned in the flesh in human estimation, they might live in the spirit in the estimation of God.”
 
See how Paul the self appointed Cult leader goes about his tasks of making up things . Same guy that dreamed up the Trinity Fake News which gullible cult Christian’s then thought made their story more mysterious and wonderful . He would have made a great CIA director .
You sound like a fake Jew.
 
I can see you are doing a lot of tap dancing in regards to 2 Maccabees: 12:46

”Thus made atonement for the dead that they may be absolved of their sins”.

Claiming this is “not authoritative“ is really desperation on your part. Clearly the concept of praying for the dead is there.

That's not Scriptural. For a very good reason.
 
Another one you left off your list:

1 Peter 4:6 “For this is why the gospel was preached even to the dead that, though condemned in the flesh in human estimation, they might live in the spirit in the estimation of God.”

This does not imply there are "more chances" after death. It either means that Christians have gone on to die, or that God judges the heart based on what folks would have done with Christ, pre-Christ. As in Abraham: "credited to him as righteousness"
 
Purgatory is a belief that contradicts the clear teaching of Scripture with respect to the person and work of Christ.

there in lies your problem - belief in a document, christian bible written by the crucifiers in the 4th century ...

the 1st century events contradicts the c-bible religion of servitude and denial and in the fashion you describe - a totalitarian state of abject servitude than the true message of heavenly toleration taught by jesus.
 
despite clear evidence in the Bible there is a heaven and hell, nothing in between after this life they continue to falsely teach a second chance after death.


Accepted By Imputation


We know from Paul’s treatise on justification in Romans 4 that God saves believers by imputing to them the merit of Christ’s perfect righteousness—by no means because of their own righteousness. God accepts believers “in Christ.” He clothes them with the perfect righteousness of Christ. He declares them perfectly righteous because of Christ. Their sins have been imputed to Christ, who has paid the full penalty. His righteousness is now imputed to them and—through His imputed righteousness—they receive His full merit. That is what justification by faith means. The Father “made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21).


In other words, God does not first make us perfect, then accept us on that basis. He first legally justifies us by imputing to us an alien righteousness, then perfects us by conforming us to the image of Christ. He “justifies the ungodly” (Romans 4:5).


Paul wrote, “Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1). “Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). Those verses describe our justification as something already accomplished—a completed reality, not something we are striving for. Jesus Himself described justification as an immediate event when He told how the repentant publican was saved after begging God for mercy: “I tell you, this man went to his house justified” (Luke 18:14).


Scripture clearly and consistently attests to justification as a settled fact for every believer; it is not an ongoing process. We stand before God in faith right now, fully acceptable to Him because of Christ’s righteousness—not because of any doings of our own.

Hebrews 9:27​




“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”

King James Version (KJV)


False Doctrine and False Hope


Roman Catholic doctrine denies all of that. Catholicism teaches that justification is an ongoing process that depends on the degree of real, personal righteousness we achieve. According to Rome, Christ’s merit imputed to us is not enough to save; we must earn more merit of our own through the sacraments and other good works. Righteousness is infused into us (rather than being imputed to us). But it is obvious that we are not perfectly righteous by any practical measure. So the righteousness we obtain by grace must be perfected by our own efforts.


According to Catholic teaching, this real, personal righteousness that resides in us is the necessary ground on which God accepts us. And our justification is not complete until we are really and completely perfect—by an inherent righteousness, not merely by a legally imputed righteousness. This actually reverses the biblical order, suggesting that we must first be perfected, and only then is our justification complete. In other words, in Roman Catholic doctrine, God does not justify the ungodly.


The Catholic view of justification poses an obvious dilemma. We know too well that even the best Christians fall far short of perfection. No one (Catholic teaching actually says almost no one) achieves absolute perfection in this life. And if our own perfection is a prerequisite for heaven, it would seem no one could enter there immediately upon dying. Any remaining imperfections would need to be worked out first.


The invention of purgatory was necessary to solve this dilemma. Deny that we are justified by faith alone, and you must devise an explanation of how we can make the transition from our imperfect state in this life to the perfect state of heaven. Purgatory is where Roman Catholics believe most people go after death to be finally purged of their remaining guilt and gain whatever merit they may be lacking to enter heaven. Catholicism teaches that this process involves intense pain and suffering.


Oddly enough, although Catholic doctrine denies that the imputed righteousness of Christ is sufficient to save sinners in this life, it does allow the imputation of righteousness from living sinners to those in purgatory. This is why masses are said for the dead. Supposedly the righteousness earned by way of the sacrament is imputed to the person in purgatory, which shortens his or her stay there.


The Catholic doctrine of purgatory offers false hope to people hoping to atone for their own sins on the other side of the grave. Rome’s warped and perverted view of justification will undoubtedly usher into eternal torment many who expected to have more time to achieve perfection.
I have never understood this apparent conundrum Protestants have. But I will try to explain the Catholic position once again:
Yes, the Church believes God's grace is more than sufficient to get us to Heaven, but man is STILL required to do his part, which is to love God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself. Loving your neighbor requires works. Works of charity. Good deeds.

Romans 2:6 "God will repay each person according to his deeds."
 
I have never understood this apparent conundrum Protestants have. But I will try to explain the Catholic position once again:
Yes, the Church believes God's grace is more than sufficient to get us to Heaven, but man is STILL required to do his part, which is to love God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself. Loving your neighbor requires works. Works of charity. Good deeds.

Romans 2:6 "God will repay each person according to his deeds."
No n purgatory there.
 
despite clear evidence in the Bible there is a heaven and hell, nothing in between after this life they continue to falsely teach a second chance after death.


Accepted By Imputation


We know from Paul’s treatise on justification in Romans 4 that God saves believers by imputing to them the merit of Christ’s perfect righteousness—by no means because of their own righteousness. God accepts believers “in Christ.” He clothes them with the perfect righteousness of Christ. He declares them perfectly righteous because of Christ. Their sins have been imputed to Christ, who has paid the full penalty. His righteousness is now imputed to them and—through His imputed righteousness—they receive His full merit. That is what justification by faith means. The Father “made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21).


In other words, God does not first make us perfect, then accept us on that basis. He first legally justifies us by imputing to us an alien righteousness, then perfects us by conforming us to the image of Christ. He “justifies the ungodly” (Romans 4:5).


Paul wrote, “Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1). “Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). Those verses describe our justification as something already accomplished—a completed reality, not something we are striving for. Jesus Himself described justification as an immediate event when He told how the repentant publican was saved after begging God for mercy: “I tell you, this man went to his house justified” (Luke 18:14).


Scripture clearly and consistently attests to justification as a settled fact for every believer; it is not an ongoing process. We stand before God in faith right now, fully acceptable to Him because of Christ’s righteousness—not because of any doings of our own.

Hebrews 9:27​




“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”

King James Version (KJV)


False Doctrine and False Hope


Roman Catholic doctrine denies all of that. Catholicism teaches that justification is an ongoing process that depends on the degree of real, personal righteousness we achieve. According to Rome, Christ’s merit imputed to us is not enough to save; we must earn more merit of our own through the sacraments and other good works. Righteousness is infused into us (rather than being imputed to us). But it is obvious that we are not perfectly righteous by any practical measure. So the righteousness we obtain by grace must be perfected by our own efforts.


According to Catholic teaching, this real, personal righteousness that resides in us is the necessary ground on which God accepts us. And our justification is not complete until we are really and completely perfect—by an inherent righteousness, not merely by a legally imputed righteousness. This actually reverses the biblical order, suggesting that we must first be perfected, and only then is our justification complete. In other words, in Roman Catholic doctrine, God does not justify the ungodly.


The Catholic view of justification poses an obvious dilemma. We know too well that even the best Christians fall far short of perfection. No one (Catholic teaching actually says almost no one) achieves absolute perfection in this life. And if our own perfection is a prerequisite for heaven, it would seem no one could enter there immediately upon dying. Any remaining imperfections would need to be worked out first.


The invention of purgatory was necessary to solve this dilemma. Deny that we are justified by faith alone, and you must devise an explanation of how we can make the transition from our imperfect state in this life to the perfect state of heaven. Purgatory is where Roman Catholics believe most people go after death to be finally purged of their remaining guilt and gain whatever merit they may be lacking to enter heaven. Catholicism teaches that this process involves intense pain and suffering.


Oddly enough, although Catholic doctrine denies that the imputed righteousness of Christ is sufficient to save sinners in this life, it does allow the imputation of righteousness from living sinners to those in purgatory. This is why masses are said for the dead. Supposedly the righteousness earned by way of the sacrament is imputed to the person in purgatory, which shortens his or her stay there.


The Catholic doctrine of purgatory offers false hope to people hoping to atone for their own sins on the other side of the grave. Rome’s warped and perverted view of justification will undoubtedly usher into eternal torment many who expected to have more time to achieve perfection.

Yep. Purgatory is not biblical.
 
despite clear evidence in the Bible there is a heaven and hell, nothing in between after this life they continue to falsely teach a second chance after death.


Accepted By Imputation


We know from Paul’s treatise on justification in Romans 4 that God saves believers by imputing to them the merit of Christ’s perfect righteousness—by no means because of their own righteousness. God accepts believers “in Christ.” He clothes them with the perfect righteousness of Christ. He declares them perfectly righteous because of Christ. Their sins have been imputed to Christ, who has paid the full penalty. His righteousness is now imputed to them and—through His imputed righteousness—they receive His full merit. That is what justification by faith means. The Father “made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21).


In other words, God does not first make us perfect, then accept us on that basis. He first legally justifies us by imputing to us an alien righteousness, then perfects us by conforming us to the image of Christ. He “justifies the ungodly” (Romans 4:5).


Paul wrote, “Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1). “Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). Those verses describe our justification as something already accomplished—a completed reality, not something we are striving for. Jesus Himself described justification as an immediate event when He told how the repentant publican was saved after begging God for mercy: “I tell you, this man went to his house justified” (Luke 18:14).


Scripture clearly and consistently attests to justification as a settled fact for every believer; it is not an ongoing process. We stand before God in faith right now, fully acceptable to Him because of Christ’s righteousness—not because of any doings of our own.

Hebrews 9:27​




“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”

King James Version (KJV)


False Doctrine and False Hope


Roman Catholic doctrine denies all of that. Catholicism teaches that justification is an ongoing process that depends on the degree of real, personal righteousness we achieve. According to Rome, Christ’s merit imputed to us is not enough to save; we must earn more merit of our own through the sacraments and other good works. Righteousness is infused into us (rather than being imputed to us). But it is obvious that we are not perfectly righteous by any practical measure. So the righteousness we obtain by grace must be perfected by our own efforts.


According to Catholic teaching, this real, personal righteousness that resides in us is the necessary ground on which God accepts us. And our justification is not complete until we are really and completely perfect—by an inherent righteousness, not merely by a legally imputed righteousness. This actually reverses the biblical order, suggesting that we must first be perfected, and only then is our justification complete. In other words, in Roman Catholic doctrine, God does not justify the ungodly.


The Catholic view of justification poses an obvious dilemma. We know too well that even the best Christians fall far short of perfection. No one (Catholic teaching actually says almost no one) achieves absolute perfection in this life. And if our own perfection is a prerequisite for heaven, it would seem no one could enter there immediately upon dying. Any remaining imperfections would need to be worked out first.


The invention of purgatory was necessary to solve this dilemma. Deny that we are justified by faith alone, and you must devise an explanation of how we can make the transition from our imperfect state in this life to the perfect state of heaven. Purgatory is where Roman Catholics believe most people go after death to be finally purged of their remaining guilt and gain whatever merit they may be lacking to enter heaven. Catholicism teaches that this process involves intense pain and suffering.


Oddly enough, although Catholic doctrine denies that the imputed righteousness of Christ is sufficient to save sinners in this life, it does allow the imputation of righteousness from living sinners to those in purgatory. This is why masses are said for the dead. Supposedly the righteousness earned by way of the sacrament is imputed to the person in purgatory, which shortens his or her stay there.


The Catholic doctrine of purgatory offers false hope to people hoping to atone for their own sins on the other side of the grave. Rome’s warped and perverted view of justification will undoubtedly usher into eternal torment many who expected to have more time to achieve perfection.
A literal place of eternal suffering is a false doctrine taught by blind guides that do not know God-RUN FROM THEM.
 
despite clear evidence in the Bible there is a heaven and hell, nothing in between after this life they continue to falsely teach a second chance after death.
No one knows their fate except those that have already been sanctified. Nor does anyone know what happens at the 11th hour. With God all things are possible.
 
You sound like a fake Jew.
The ethnic label is quite irrelevant to me .
But I would be irritated if shown to be gullible and frankly rather stupid .
Something which Cult Christians apparently enjoy .
Sad . What a waste .
 

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