"punks....they always get away"

[Esmeralda]

i do not know all the evidence

but from what i see

there is reasonable doubt

as to his guilt

I think he will be found guilty because to prove he was justified in using deadly force, he has to prove he was in a life threatening situation or was suffering great bodily harm. His injuries suggest nothing greater than what would be the result of a school yard fist fight.

 

[nitroz]

Illegal gun = guilty

 

[Politico]

The trial hasn't happened yet. No one knows the facts yet.

 

[JoeB131]

Knowing what you know today, what do you believe will be the outcome of the trial.

THIS IS NOT A ZIMMERMAN TRIAL DISCUSSION THREAD.

Please only discussions pertaining to the poll in this thread.

I think he will be found guilty. I can't imagine a jury of six women will look at this bloat and think, "this guy really was in fear of his life" from a child.

It doesn't help he's gained 100 lbs since the incident.

 

[jon_berzerk]

i do not know all the evidence

but from what i see

there is reasonable doubt

as to his guilt

I think he will be found guilty because to prove he was justified in using deadly force, he has to prove he was in a life threatening situation or was suffering great bodily harm. His injuries suggest nothing greater than what would be the result of a school yard fist fight.

he does not have to prove anything

the state has to beyond a reasonable doubt

present evidence of his guilt

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Meet the Zimmerman Trial Jurors
Posted by Andrew Branca Sunday, June 23, 2013 at 6:00pm
In-depth profiles of the 6 jurors and 4 alternates, how they answered questions during voir dire, and what we know about them.

Meet the Zimmerman Trial Jurors

 

[Missourian]

He's charged with 2nd Degree Murder. Manslaughter is an automatic option for the jury, but you don't have that on your poll.

For the purposes of this poll, that would be a "guilty"...Guilty of the lesser included charge.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

"Fucking punks....these assholes always get away" said George Zimmerman about Trayvon Martin. Opening remarks by the prosecution! Outstanding! I love this guy!

And guess what, the defense attorneys did not object. Double ooops!

Talking about "case closed".......

 

[strollingbones]

i cant believe how badly this is going...do you think zimmerman will get on the stand?

ooooooooo a 'fucking punk'

 

[martybegan]

"Fucking punks....these assholes always get away" said George Zimmerman about Trayvon Martin. Opening remarks by the prosecution! Outstanding! I love this guy!

And guess what, the defense attorneys did not object. Double ooops!

Talking about "case closed".......

Um, no. If the prosecution is going with "he went in there intending to shoot someone" theory, which use of this statement implies, then thier case is actually WEAKER than we think.

 

[Katzndogz]

Ummmm, lawyers don't get objections during opening statements. Or, closing statements for that matter.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

i cant believe how badly this is going...do you think zimmerman will get on the stand?

ooooooooo a 'fucking punk'

I doubt it seriously. Zimmerman is just not a sympathetic character, especially with this opening volley from the prosecution. I wonder how many of the female juries are black women. If there are at least three you can safely say Zimmerman is

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Ummmm, lawyers don't get objections during opening statements. Or, closing statements for that matter.

So you think that the prosecution is making that up? The defense KNEW well in advance that the prosecution was going to quote Zimmerman's telephone transcript. It's called the "DISCOVERY" process. And the defense did not object to this prior to the trial starting.

GO back to cats and dogs. This human thing is over your head.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

"Fucking punks....these assholes always get away" said George Zimmerman about Trayvon Martin. Opening remarks by the prosecution! Outstanding! I love this guy!

And guess what, the defense attorneys did not object. Double ooops!

Talking about "case closed".......

Um, no. If the prosecution is going with "he went in there intending to shoot someone" theory, which use of this statement implies, then thier case is actually WEAKER than we think.

This is a quote, Einstein. Not an opinion or conjecture.

This opening statement combined with the fact that Zimmerman's HOA rules forbade him from carrying a gun while on Neighborhood Watch is enough.

 

[jon_berzerk]

"Fucking punks....these assholes always get away" said George Zimmerman about Trayvon Martin. Opening remarks by the prosecution! Outstanding! I love this guy!

And guess what, the defense attorneys did not object. Double ooops!

Talking about "case closed".......

Um, no. If the prosecution is going with "he went in there intending to shoot someone" theory, which use of this statement implies, then thier case is actually WEAKER than we think.

so far pretty weak

 

[martybegan]

"Fucking punks....these assholes always get away" said George Zimmerman about Trayvon Martin. Opening remarks by the prosecution! Outstanding! I love this guy!

And guess what, the defense attorneys did not object. Double ooops!

Talking about "case closed".......

Um, no. If the prosecution is going with "he went in there intending to shoot someone" theory, which use of this statement implies, then thier case is actually WEAKER than we think.

This is a quote, Einstein. Not an opinion.

This opening statement combined with the fact that Zimmerman's HOA rules forbade him from carrying a gun while on Neighborhood Watch is enough.

Show me the rule where it explicitly states you cannot carry a concealed weapon when on watch. From my reading it is that you are not supposed to apprhend someone.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Um, no. If the prosecution is going with "he went in there intending to shoot someone" theory, which use of this statement implies, then thier case is actually WEAKER than we think.

This is a quote, Einstein. Not an opinion.

This opening statement combined with the fact that Zimmerman's HOA rules forbade him from carrying a gun while on Neighborhood Watch is enough.

Show me the rule where it explicitly states you cannot carry a concealed weapon when on watch. From my reading it is that you are not supposed to apprhend someone.

or two flashlights for that matter

 

[Katzndogz]

Ummmm, lawyers don't get objections during opening statements. Or, closing statements for that matter.

So you think that the prosecution is making that up? The defense KNEW well in advance that the prosecution was going to quote Zimmerman's telephone transcript. It's called the "DISCOVERY" process. And the defense did not object to this prior to the trial starting.

GO back to cats and dogs. This human thing is over your head.

I'm telling you that neither party gets to make objections during attorney statements, either opening or closing. They may make objections during examination or cross examination of a witness. Neither party gets to review the opening or closing statements of the other party as part of the discovery process. The discovery process is to determine the evidence that the other side is going to bring before the court. Attorney statements are not evidence. The prosecutor may say that the evidence will show that George Zimmerman made the statement "Fucking punks....these assholes always get away" Because that's what the evidence will show. The statement hasn't been excluded.

Wait and see what Zimmerman's attorney says in his opening statement. You'll find lots of things that the prosecutor didn't object to.

You are not entitled to your own legal procedure.

 

[Katzndogz]

Of more importance than an opening statement is the judge's exclusion of any expert testimony with regards to the three second call for help.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Um, no. If the prosecution is going with "he went in there intending to shoot someone" theory, which use of this statement implies, then thier case is actually WEAKER than we think.

This is a quote, Einstein. Not an opinion.

This opening statement combined with the fact that Zimmerman's HOA rules forbade him from carrying a gun while on Neighborhood Watch is enough.

Show me the rule where it explicitly states you cannot carry a concealed weapon when on watch. From my reading it is that you are not supposed to apprhend someone.

Trayvon Martin's killing shatters safety within Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford | Tampa Bay Times
Trayvon Martin's killing shatters safety within Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford
"""In September, the Sanford police helped the Retreat start a neighborhood watch program.

"Some residents called me wanting to do a startup," said Dorival, a civilian police employee. About 30 people came to the clubhouse for that first session, she said. "Everyone was enthusiastic." Zimmerman volunteered to be captain. ( Fucking cop wannabe. They are the most dangerous kind.)

"I told them, this is not about being a vigilante police force," Dorival said. "You're not even supposed to patrol on neighborhood watch. And you're certainly not supposed to carry a gun."

For the first two months of this year, at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, the Sanford police logged 51 calls for service. Half were just people requesting information. The others included eight burglaries, two bike thefts and three simple assaults.

Zimmerman's last 911 call came on Feb. 26, at 7:11 p.m. "Black male, late teens, dark gray hoodie, jeans or sweatpants walking around area," the dispatcher recorded. A minute later: "Subject now running towards back entrance of complex."

On a recording of the call, you can hear Zimmerman say, "He's got his hand in his waistband. Something is wrong with him." Then, "He's running toward the back entrance."

The dispatcher told Zimmerman not to follow him. A patrol officer was on the way."""



NPR interview with Carmen Caldwell:

"""The executive director is an irrepressible, 30-year veteran of neighborhood watch programs, Carmen Caldwell. She got involved as a volunteer in the '80s. When she heard about the events in Sanford, Caldwell says her first reaction was, that's not how neighborhood watch operates. Caldwell says her office is adamant about the rules - and they're simple.

CALDWELL: No intervening, no carrying weapons, no patrolling the area - and your only job is to call the police when you see something suspicious.

ALLEN: Miami-Dade's neighborhood watch program is more closely supervised than many. Caldwell gets much of her funding from the county government, and works to register all her groups with the National Sheriff's Association. This week, at a city commission meeting attended by several hundred people in Sanford, congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee quoted from the sheriff's association guidelines for neighborhood watch programs.

ALLEN: That was supposed to be the case at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, the townhome community where George Zimmerman was neighborhood watch captain. In the homeowner's association newsletter, residents were urged to keep their eyes open and if they saw anything suspicious, to call the police. Although the events that led to Trayvon Martin's shooting are still not clear, it appears Zimmerman went far beyond that."""

 

[martybegan]

This is a quote, Einstein. Not an opinion.

This opening statement combined with the fact that Zimmerman's HOA rules forbade him from carrying a gun while on Neighborhood Watch is enough.

Show me the rule where it explicitly states you cannot carry a concealed weapon when on watch. From my reading it is that you are not supposed to apprhend someone.

Trayvon Martin's killing shatters safety within Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford | Tampa Bay Times
Trayvon Martin's killing shatters safety within Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford
"""In September, the Sanford police helped the Retreat start a neighborhood watch program.

"Some residents called me wanting to do a startup," said Dorival, a civilian police employee. About 30 people came to the clubhouse for that first session, she said. "Everyone was enthusiastic." Zimmerman volunteered to be captain. ( Fucking cop wannabe. They are the most dangerous kind.)

"I told them, this is not about being a vigilante police force," Dorival said. "You're not even supposed to patrol on neighborhood watch. And you're certainly not supposed to carry a gun."

For the first two months of this year, at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, the Sanford police logged 51 calls for service. Half were just people requesting information. The others included eight burglaries, two bike thefts and three simple assaults.

Zimmerman's last 911 call came on Feb. 26, at 7:11 p.m. "Black male, late teens, dark gray hoodie, jeans or sweatpants walking around area," the dispatcher recorded. A minute later: "Subject now running towards back entrance of complex."

On a recording of the call, you can hear Zimmerman say, "He's got his hand in his waistband. Something is wrong with him." Then, "He's running toward the back entrance."

The dispatcher told Zimmerman not to follow him. A patrol officer was on the way."""



NPR interview with Carmen Caldwell:

"""The executive director is an irrepressible, 30-year veteran of neighborhood watch programs, Carmen Caldwell. She got involved as a volunteer in the '80s. When she heard about the events in Sanford, Caldwell says her first reaction was, that's not how neighborhood watch operates. Caldwell says her office is adamant about the rules - and they're simple.

CALDWELL: No intervening, no carrying weapons, no patrolling the area - and your only job is to call the police when you see something suspicious.

ALLEN: Miami-Dade's neighborhood watch program is more closely supervised than many. Caldwell gets much of her funding from the county government, and works to register all her groups with the National Sheriff's Association. This week, at a city commission meeting attended by several hundred people in Sanford, congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee quoted from the sheriff's association guidelines for neighborhood watch programs.

ALLEN: That was supposed to be the case at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, the townhome community where George Zimmerman was neighborhood watch captain. In the homeowner's association newsletter, residents were urged to keep their eyes open and if they saw anything suspicious, to call the police. Although the events that led to Trayvon Martin's shooting are still not clear, it appears Zimmerman went far beyond that."""

Two opinions of people in the watch, not actual written regulations.

Where are the written regulations stating you cannot carry weapons? The truth is they cannot bar a person from carrying if the state allows a person to do so.