CDZ Prostitution, why should it be illegal?

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Regardless of prostitution's status (legal, illegal or decriminalized) or its physical location (strip club, massage parlor, street, escort/home/hotel), prostitution is extremely dangerous for women. Homicide is a frequent cause of death (Potterat et al., 2004).

"Prolonged and repeated trauma precedes entry into prostitution, with most women beginning prostitution as sexually abused adolescents (Bagley and Young, 1987; Belton, 1992; Dworkin, 1997; Farley and Barkan, 1998; Silbert and Pines, 1983b, 1981; Simons and Whitbeck, 1991) (Table 1). Homelessness is frequently a precipitating event to prostitution. Women in prostitution are frequently raped and physically assaulted (Farley et al., 2003; Hunter, 1994; Miller, 1995; Parriott, 1994; Silbert and Pines, 1983a)."

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/sexual-offenses/prostitution-sexual-violence
Yes and those problems are made worse because of criminalizing prostitution.

The problems associated with prostitution are eased and reduced when it is legalized.

Nope, all the evidence shows otherwise.
 
"It is a cruel lie to suggest that decriminalization or legalization will protect anyone in prostitution. It is not possible to protect someone whose source of income exposes them to the likelihood of being raped on average once a week (Hunter, 1994)."

"Despite the illogical attempt of some to distinguish prostitution from trafficking, trafficking is simply the global form of prostitution. Sex trafficking may occur within or across international borders, thus women may be either domestically or internationally trafficked or both. Young women are trafficked--taken and sold for sexual use--from the countryside to the city, from one part of town to another, and across international borders to wherever there are customers.

"It is a clinical and a statistical error to assume that most women in prostitution have consented. Instead of the question, "Did she voluntarily consent to prostitution?" the more relevant question would be, "Did she have real alternatives to prostitution for survival?" The incidence of homelessness (75%) among our respondents and their desire to get out of prostitution (89%) reflect their lack of options for escape (Farley et al., 2003).

"Until it is understood that prostitution and trafficking can appear voluntary but are not really free choices made from a range of options, it will be difficult to garner adequate support to assist those who wish to escape but have no other economic choices. The conditions that make genuine consent possible are absent from prostitution: physical safety, equal power with customers and real alternatives (Hernandez, 2001; MacKinnon, 1993)."

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/sexual-offenses/prostitution-sexual-violence/page/0/1
Quoting someone who agrees with you is not evidence.

The fact is human trafficking and prostitution are not the same thing
 
"
Regardless of prostitution's status (legal, illegal or decriminalized) or its physical location (strip club, massage parlor, street, escort/home/hotel), prostitution is extremely dangerous for women. Homicide is a frequent cause of death (Potterat et al., 2004).

"Prolonged and repeated trauma precedes entry into prostitution, with most women beginning prostitution as sexually abused adolescents (Bagley and Young, 1987; Belton, 1992; Dworkin, 1997; Farley and Barkan, 1998; Silbert and Pines, 1983b, 1981; Simons and Whitbeck, 1991) (Table 1). Homelessness is frequently a precipitating event to prostitution. Women in prostitution are frequently raped and physically assaulted (Farley et al., 2003; Hunter, 1994; Miller, 1995; Parriott, 1994; Silbert and Pines, 1983a)."

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/sexual-offenses/prostitution-sexual-violence
Yes and those problems are made worse because of criminalizing prostitution.

The problems associated with prostitution are eased and reduced when it is legalized.

Nope, all the evidence shows otherwise.
No it does not it proves me correct. Which is why you had to resort to lying
 
"It is a cruel lie to suggest that decriminalization or legalization will protect anyone in prostitution. It is not possible to protect someone whose source of income exposes them to the likelihood of being raped on average once a week (Hunter, 1994)."

"Despite the illogical attempt of some to distinguish prostitution from trafficking, trafficking is simply the global form of prostitution. Sex trafficking may occur within or across international borders, thus women may be either domestically or internationally trafficked or both. Young women are trafficked--taken and sold for sexual use--from the countryside to the city, from one part of town to another, and across international borders to wherever there are customers.

"It is a clinical and a statistical error to assume that most women in prostitution have consented. Instead of the question, "Did she voluntarily consent to prostitution?" the more relevant question would be, "Did she have real alternatives to prostitution for survival?" The incidence of homelessness (75%) among our respondents and their desire to get out of prostitution (89%) reflect their lack of options for escape (Farley et al., 2003).

"Until it is understood that prostitution and trafficking can appear voluntary but are not really free choices made from a range of options, it will be difficult to garner adequate support to assist those who wish to escape but have no other economic choices. The conditions that make genuine consent possible are absent from prostitution: physical safety, equal power with customers and real alternatives (Hernandez, 2001; MacKinnon, 1993)."

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/sexual-offenses/prostitution-sexual-violence/page/0/1
Quoting someone who agrees with you is not evidence.

The fact is human trafficking and prostitution are not the same thing

Yes, it is evidence.

I see what the problem is here. You don't know what the word evidence means, and I think you must be functionally illiterate.
 
It is not worse in Nevada as you have shown

You only demonstrated that it is worse where it is illegal.

No, I demonstrated it was worse state wide.
But here is some more:

"Prostitution of adults is legal in 11 rural counties in Nevada. By creating false identification, outside pimps can use these brothels to traffic children.[7][8][9] Detective Greg Harvey, from Eugene, Oregon, said such cases were in reality very common; he said, "It's happening right now, it's amazing how many girls are shipped from here to different brothels in northern and southern Nevada. Many are underage." Another detective, Sgt. Pete Kerns, supported Harvey's claims: "Never buy the line that nobody under 18 works in (Nevada brothels)," he said. "It's happening."[9]

"In her 2007 report, Prostitution and trafficking in Nevada: making the connections, Melissa Farley presents the results of numerous interviews with brothel owners and prostitutes, she says that most brothel prostitutes are controlled by outside pimps and that they suffer widespread abuse by brothel owners and customers.[10] Bob Herbertsupports the claim, stating: "Despite the fiction that they are "independent contractors," most so-called legal prostitutes have pimps — the state-sanctioned pimps who run the brothels and, in many cases, a second pimp who controls all other aspects of their lives (and takes the bulk of their legal earnings)."[8]

"Alexa Albert says that the trafficking is done in cooperation with brothel owners, so the prostitutes will be easier to control.[7] Assemblyman Bob L. Beers said that "A brothel owner is somebody who, when it gets down to the very essence, is nothing more than a slave-owner."[11] Former Nye County Commissioner Candice Trummell, director of the Nevada Coalition Against Sex Trafficking, said "It is way past time for Nevada to be the last state in the United States of America to finally stand against all forms of slavery."[12]

"In 2009, an article in the Guardian stated that some brothels "impose some extraordinary restrictions on commercial sex workers" in order to "separate sex workers from the local community": some places forbid prostitutes to leave the brothels for extended periods of time, while other jurisdictions require the prostitutes to leave the county when they are not working; some places do not allow the children of the women who work in the brothels to live in the same area; some brothel workers are not permitted to leave the brothel after 5pm; in some counties registered sex workers are not allowed to have cars at all.[13] Another former prostitute who worked in four Nevada brothels attacked the system, saying, "Under this system, prostitutes give up too much autonomy, control and choice over their work and lives" and "While the brothel owners love this profitable solution, it can be exploitative and is unnecessary". She described how the women were subject to various exaggerated restrictions, including making it very difficult for them to refuse clients and having to deal with doctors who had a "patronizing or sexist attitude" (the brothels discouraged and in many cases forbade prostitutes to see doctors of their own choosing).[14]"

Human trafficking in Nevada - Wikipedia
No you only presented evidence of problem where it is illegal.

In this post you offer accusations without evidence.

I have yet to seen one example of a victim of trafficking or of violent pimps within a legal brothel.

You're a liar.
I did provide evidence.
And they cite the issues within the legal brothels in some detail.
I am not the liar here you are.

You did not provide evidence of trafficking within legal brothels but only within counties where prostitution is illegal.

You only provided accusations with no evidence concerning legal brothels.

No, I provided the evidence.
You're headed for ignore land if you keep lying blatantly.
You are a liar you provided no such evidence and that is a fact and you know it.

You can ignore all you like which would simply be proof you have been exposed as a liar
 
"It is a cruel lie to suggest that decriminalization or legalization will protect anyone in prostitution. It is not possible to protect someone whose source of income exposes them to the likelihood of being raped on average once a week (Hunter, 1994)."

"Despite the illogical attempt of some to distinguish prostitution from trafficking, trafficking is simply the global form of prostitution. Sex trafficking may occur within or across international borders, thus women may be either domestically or internationally trafficked or both. Young women are trafficked--taken and sold for sexual use--from the countryside to the city, from one part of town to another, and across international borders to wherever there are customers.

"It is a clinical and a statistical error to assume that most women in prostitution have consented. Instead of the question, "Did she voluntarily consent to prostitution?" the more relevant question would be, "Did she have real alternatives to prostitution for survival?" The incidence of homelessness (75%) among our respondents and their desire to get out of prostitution (89%) reflect their lack of options for escape (Farley et al., 2003).

"Until it is understood that prostitution and trafficking can appear voluntary but are not really free choices made from a range of options, it will be difficult to garner adequate support to assist those who wish to escape but have no other economic choices. The conditions that make genuine consent possible are absent from prostitution: physical safety, equal power with customers and real alternatives (Hernandez, 2001; MacKinnon, 1993)."

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/sexual-offenses/prostitution-sexual-violence/page/0/1
Quoting someone who agrees with you is not evidence.

The fact is human trafficking and prostitution are not the same thing

Yes, it is evidence.

I see what the problem is here. You don't know what the word evidence means, and I think you must be functionally illiterate.
No it is. It evidence it is strictly and exclusively shared opinion.

Yes i do comprehend what evidence means and it does not mean someone who agrees with you.
 
No, I demonstrated it was worse state wide.
But here is some more:

"Prostitution of adults is legal in 11 rural counties in Nevada. By creating false identification, outside pimps can use these brothels to traffic children.[7][8][9] Detective Greg Harvey, from Eugene, Oregon, said such cases were in reality very common; he said, "It's happening right now, it's amazing how many girls are shipped from here to different brothels in northern and southern Nevada. Many are underage." Another detective, Sgt. Pete Kerns, supported Harvey's claims: "Never buy the line that nobody under 18 works in (Nevada brothels)," he said. "It's happening."[9]

"In her 2007 report, Prostitution and trafficking in Nevada: making the connections, Melissa Farley presents the results of numerous interviews with brothel owners and prostitutes, she says that most brothel prostitutes are controlled by outside pimps and that they suffer widespread abuse by brothel owners and customers.[10] Bob Herbertsupports the claim, stating: "Despite the fiction that they are "independent contractors," most so-called legal prostitutes have pimps — the state-sanctioned pimps who run the brothels and, in many cases, a second pimp who controls all other aspects of their lives (and takes the bulk of their legal earnings)."[8]

"Alexa Albert says that the trafficking is done in cooperation with brothel owners, so the prostitutes will be easier to control.[7] Assemblyman Bob L. Beers said that "A brothel owner is somebody who, when it gets down to the very essence, is nothing more than a slave-owner."[11] Former Nye County Commissioner Candice Trummell, director of the Nevada Coalition Against Sex Trafficking, said "It is way past time for Nevada to be the last state in the United States of America to finally stand against all forms of slavery."[12]

"In 2009, an article in the Guardian stated that some brothels "impose some extraordinary restrictions on commercial sex workers" in order to "separate sex workers from the local community": some places forbid prostitutes to leave the brothels for extended periods of time, while other jurisdictions require the prostitutes to leave the county when they are not working; some places do not allow the children of the women who work in the brothels to live in the same area; some brothel workers are not permitted to leave the brothel after 5pm; in some counties registered sex workers are not allowed to have cars at all.[13] Another former prostitute who worked in four Nevada brothels attacked the system, saying, "Under this system, prostitutes give up too much autonomy, control and choice over their work and lives" and "While the brothel owners love this profitable solution, it can be exploitative and is unnecessary". She described how the women were subject to various exaggerated restrictions, including making it very difficult for them to refuse clients and having to deal with doctors who had a "patronizing or sexist attitude" (the brothels discouraged and in many cases forbade prostitutes to see doctors of their own choosing).[14]"

Human trafficking in Nevada - Wikipedia
No you only presented evidence of problem where it is illegal.

In this post you offer accusations without evidence.

I have yet to seen one example of a victim of trafficking or of violent pimps within a legal brothel.

You're a liar.
I did provide evidence.
And they cite the issues within the legal brothels in some detail.
I am not the liar here you are.

You did not provide evidence of trafficking within legal brothels but only within counties where prostitution is illegal.

You only provided accusations with no evidence concerning legal brothels.

No, I provided the evidence.
You're headed for ignore land if you keep lying blatantly.
You are a liar you provided no such evidence and that is a fact and you know it.

You can ignore all you like which would simply be proof you have been exposed as a liar

"Acceptance of prostitution is one of a cluster of harmful attitudes that encourage and justify violence against women. Violent behaviors against women have been associated with attitudes that promote men's beliefs that they are entitled to sexual access to women, that they are superior to women and that they are licensed as sexual aggressors (White and Koss, 1993). Customers of prostitutes strongly endorse these attitudes toward women."

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/sexual-offenses/prostitution-sexual-violence/page/0/1
 
No you only presented evidence of problem where it is illegal.

In this post you offer accusations without evidence.

I have yet to seen one example of a victim of trafficking or of violent pimps within a legal brothel.

You're a liar.
I did provide evidence.
And they cite the issues within the legal brothels in some detail.
I am not the liar here you are.

You did not provide evidence of trafficking within legal brothels but only within counties where prostitution is illegal.

You only provided accusations with no evidence concerning legal brothels.

No, I provided the evidence.
You're headed for ignore land if you keep lying blatantly.
You are a liar you provided no such evidence and that is a fact and you know it.

You can ignore all you like which would simply be proof you have been exposed as a liar

"Acceptance of prostitution is one of a cluster of harmful attitudes that encourage and justify violence against women. Violent behaviors against women have been associated with attitudes that promote men's beliefs that they are entitled to sexual access to women, that they are superior to women and that they are licensed as sexual aggressors (White and Koss, 1993). Customers of prostitutes strongly endorse these attitudes toward women."

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/sexual-offenses/prostitution-sexual-violence/page/0/1
Once again this is merely someone's opinion and it is not evidence supporting your fictitious claims.
 
What are the debates for prostitution being illegal which don't involve religious objections? We can test the workers for disease, we can tax it, what willing people do doesn't concern me.

Before I sound too much like what our Tea Party fellows pretend to be, I don't support drugs besides alcohol and pot being legal. You just can't have ppl running about on PCP. But if they could go rent a whore instead of getting high life would be better.

Right?
I think it should be legal.

STD is worth a thought. Whores in the Philippines got checked by a doctor every week and had a card to prove it. Ever heard of the hammerhead clap?
 
What are the debates for prostitution being illegal which don't involve religious objections? We can test the workers for disease, we can tax it, what willing people do doesn't concern me.

Before I sound too much like what our Tea Party fellows pretend to be, I don't support drugs besides alcohol and pot being legal. You just can't have ppl running about on PCP. But if they could go rent a whore instead of getting high life would be better.

Right?
I think it should be legal.

STD is worth a thought. Whores in the Philippines got checked by a doctor every week and had a card to prove it. Ever heard of the hammerhead clap?
So do working girls in Nevada.

Their rate of std transmission is extremely low.

People are at far greater risk of contracting an STD by simply hooking up at bars for free than by visiting a legal brothel.
 
"
'It's like you sign a contract to be raped'"

'It's like you sign a contract to be raped'

Far from enjoying better conditions than those who work illegally, the prostitutes she spoke to are often subject to slave-like conditions.

Described as "pussy penitentiaries" by one interviewee, the brothels tend to be in the middle of nowhere, out of sight of ordinary Nevadans. (Brothels are officially allowed only in counties with populations of fewer than 400,000, so prostitution remains an illegal - though vast - trade in conurbations such as Las Vegas.) The brothel prostitutes often live in prison-like conditions, locked in or forbidden to leave."

"Meanwhile, illegal brothels are on the increase in Nevada, as they are in other parts of the world where brothels are legalised. Nevada's illegal prostitution industry is already nine times greater than the state's legal brothels. "Legalising this industry does not result in the closing down of illegal sex establishments," says Farley, "it merely gives them further permission to exist."
 
"
'It's like you sign a contract to be raped'"

'It's like you sign a contract to be raped'

Far from enjoying better conditions than those who work illegally, the prostitutes she spoke to are often subject to slave-like conditions.

Described as "pussy penitentiaries" by one interviewee, the brothels tend to be in the middle of nowhere, out of sight of ordinary Nevadans. (Brothels are officially allowed only in counties with populations of fewer than 400,000, so prostitution remains an illegal - though vast - trade in conurbations such as Las Vegas.) The brothel prostitutes often live in prison-like conditions, locked in or forbidden to leave."

"Meanwhile, illegal brothels are on the increase in Nevada, as they are in other parts of the world where brothels are legalised. Nevada's illegal prostitution industry is already nine times greater than the state's legal brothels. "Legalising this industry does not result in the closing down of illegal sex establishments," says Farley, "it merely gives them further permission to exist."
And once again unsupported opinions are not evidence regardless of what they say or how much they agree with you
 
What are the debates for prostitution being illegal which don't involve religious objections? We can test the workers for disease, we can tax it, what willing people do doesn't concern me.

Before I sound too much like what our Tea Party fellows pretend to be, I don't support drugs besides alcohol and pot being legal. You just can't have ppl running about on PCP. But if they could go rent a whore instead of getting high life would be better.

Right?
I think it should be legal.

STD is worth a thought. Whores in the Philippines got checked by a doctor every week and had a card to prove it. Ever heard of the hammerhead clap?
So do working girls in Nevada.

Their rate of std transmission is extremely low.

People are at far greater risk of contracting an STD by simply hooking up at bars for free than by visiting a legal brothel.

And how do you check something like that? Most of the 'clients' will only be in the state a few days at most, and symptoms for many STD's don't show up for days or weeks, even months in some of them, so the stats are going to be spread out over many states at least, not concentrated in Las Vegas. they don't even know the names of most of those they infect over a week, and can't get in touch with them to notify them of anything.

Not all brothels give a shit, either, especially those who deal in slaves. Statistics from countries that make a bundle off of sex tourism are junk, period. It just makes you feel good to say crap you like, is all.
 
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"It is a cruel lie to suggest that decriminalization or legalization will protect anyone in prostitution. It is not possible to protect someone whose source of income exposes them to the likelihood of being raped on average once a week (Hunter, 1994)."

"Despite the illogical attempt of some to distinguish prostitution from trafficking, trafficking is simply the global form of prostitution. Sex trafficking may occur within or across international borders, thus women may be either domestically or internationally trafficked or both. Young women are trafficked--taken and sold for sexual use--from the countryside to the city, from one part of town to another, and across international borders to wherever there are customers.

"It is a clinical and a statistical error to assume that most women in prostitution have consented. Instead of the question, "Did she voluntarily consent to prostitution?" the more relevant question would be, "Did she have real alternatives to prostitution for survival?" The incidence of homelessness (75%) among our respondents and their desire to get out of prostitution (89%) reflect their lack of options for escape (Farley et al., 2003).

"Until it is understood that prostitution and trafficking can appear voluntary but are not really free choices made from a range of options, it will be difficult to garner adequate support to assist those who wish to escape but have no other economic choices. The conditions that make genuine consent possible are absent from prostitution: physical safety, equal power with customers and real alternatives (Hernandez, 2001; MacKinnon, 1993)."

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/sexual-offenses/prostitution-sexual-violence/page/0/1
Quoting someone who agrees with you is not evidence.

The fact is human trafficking and prostitution are not the same thing

Yes, it is evidence.

I see what the problem is here. You don't know what the word evidence means, and I think you must be functionally illiterate.

Nah, he's just trolling, and calling people 'liars' when they have blown his bullshit up is all. He must fee guilty about something, obviously, or he wouldn't be defending a nasty sick business so vehemently.
 
What are the debates for prostitution being illegal which don't involve religious objections? We can test the workers for disease, we can tax it, what willing people do doesn't concern me.

Before I sound too much like what our Tea Party fellows pretend to be, I don't support drugs besides alcohol and pot being legal. You just can't have ppl running about on PCP. But if they could go rent a whore instead of getting high life would be better.

Right?
I think it should be legal.

STD is worth a thought. Whores in the Philippines got checked by a doctor every week and had a card to prove it. Ever heard of the hammerhead clap?
So do working girls in Nevada.

Their rate of std transmission is extremely low.

People are at far greater risk of contracting an STD by simply hooking up at bars for free than by visiting a legal brothel.

And how do you check something like that? Most of the 'clients' will only be in the state a few days at most, and symptoms for many STD's don't show up for days or weeks, even months in some of them, so the stats are going to be spread out over many states at least, not concentrated in Las Vegas. they don't even know the names of most of those they infect over a week, and can't get in touch with them to notify them of anything.

Not all brothels give a shit, either, especially those who deal in slaves. Statistics from countries that make a bundle off of sex tourism are junk, period. It just makes you feel good to say crap you like, is all.
I was not referring to other nations but strictly to the counties in Nevada where it is legal.

You easily verify it with the state of Nevada which by law performs the necessary med checks and records the results for the public to view.

They have very few STD cases and so far not one case of him.
 
"It is a cruel lie to suggest that decriminalization or legalization will protect anyone in prostitution. It is not possible to protect someone whose source of income exposes them to the likelihood of being raped on average once a week (Hunter, 1994)."

"Despite the illogical attempt of some to distinguish prostitution from trafficking, trafficking is simply the global form of prostitution. Sex trafficking may occur within or across international borders, thus women may be either domestically or internationally trafficked or both. Young women are trafficked--taken and sold for sexual use--from the countryside to the city, from one part of town to another, and across international borders to wherever there are customers.

"It is a clinical and a statistical error to assume that most women in prostitution have consented. Instead of the question, "Did she voluntarily consent to prostitution?" the more relevant question would be, "Did she have real alternatives to prostitution for survival?" The incidence of homelessness (75%) among our respondents and their desire to get out of prostitution (89%) reflect their lack of options for escape (Farley et al., 2003).

"Until it is understood that prostitution and trafficking can appear voluntary but are not really free choices made from a range of options, it will be difficult to garner adequate support to assist those who wish to escape but have no other economic choices. The conditions that make genuine consent possible are absent from prostitution: physical safety, equal power with customers and real alternatives (Hernandez, 2001; MacKinnon, 1993)."

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/sexual-offenses/prostitution-sexual-violence/page/0/1
Quoting someone who agrees with you is not evidence.

The fact is human trafficking and prostitution are not the same thing

Yes, it is evidence.

I see what the problem is here. You don't know what the word evidence means, and I think you must be functionally illiterate.

Nah, he's just trolling, and calling people 'liars' when they have blown his bullshit up is all. He must fee guilty about something, obviously, or he wouldn't be defending a nasty sick business so vehemently.
She failed to blow anything up is the only troll throwing out the word liar when caught in her own lies
 
"
'It's like you sign a contract to be raped'"

'It's like you sign a contract to be raped'

Far from enjoying better conditions than those who work illegally, the prostitutes she spoke to are often subject to slave-like conditions.

Described as "pussy penitentiaries" by one interviewee, the brothels tend to be in the middle of nowhere, out of sight of ordinary Nevadans. (Brothels are officially allowed only in counties with populations of fewer than 400,000, so prostitution remains an illegal - though vast - trade in conurbations such as Las Vegas.) The brothel prostitutes often live in prison-like conditions, locked in or forbidden to leave."

"Meanwhile, illegal brothels are on the increase in Nevada, as they are in other parts of the world where brothels are legalised. Nevada's illegal prostitution industry is already nine times greater than the state's legal brothels. "Legalising this industry does not result in the closing down of illegal sex establishments," says Farley, "it merely gives them further permission to exist."

So let me get this straight.

You, your version of god and your version of big government are going to tell some other woman (or man) that they can't work as a prostitute?

My idea is this is as backwards as in 1880 saying someone couldn't be a steel worker if they wanted to for some reason just because life in cities during the industrial revolution was soo miserable folks thought it best to take their big government hand out and go brave the elements and natives where they would never see their extended families again.
 
Yanno......................Jesus hung out with prostitutes on occasion.

Just sayin'..................................

And, think about this........if prostitution had been legal, do you think those prostitutes that were killed by a border agent would still be alive?
 
Have any of you eggheads ever had a close, personal relationship with a prostitute?

To know how they became one and why they continue?

Or are you just spouting platitudes because you don't know any different?

I'm not going to say when or how but know more about working girls than any of you ever will in a thousand years.

So shut up or put up.

https://www.google.com/search?q=wha...stitutes&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1

I know you won't do the research yourselves, but check the above link out and see what they say about it.
 

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